The BEST Way To Play Greninja ex Is With Froslass! SO Much Damage Spread! PTCGL
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In today’s Pokemon TCG Live video i play my Greninja ex Froslass deck which thanks to Froslass you can do a lot of damage spread & even KO Manaphy for Greninja ex's Mirage Barrage attack!
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Pokémon: 9
1 Rotom V LOR 58
3 Greninja ex TWM 106
3 Froslass TWM 53
1 Greninja ex PR-SV 54
1 Manaphy BRS 41
4 Snorunt SIT 41
1 Cleffa OBF 80
1 Frogadier TWM 57
4 Froakie OBF 56
Trainer: 17
3 Irida ASR 147
1 Earthen Vessel PAR 163
3 Ultra Ball SVI 196
4 Rare Candy SVI 191
3 Arven SVI 166
1 Super Rod PAL 188
3 Iono PAL 185
1 Hyper Aroma TWM 152
1 Technical Machine: Devolution PAR 177
4 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144
1 Forest Seal Stone SIT 156
1 Collapsed Stadium LOR 215
1 Counter Catcher PAR 160
1 Professor Turo's Scenario PAR 171
2 Boss's Orders PAL 172
1 Switch SVI 191
2 Nest Ball SVI 181
Energy: 2
2 Double Turbo Energy BRS 151
6 Basic {W} Energy CIN 124
Total Cards: 60
For the Raging Bolt matchup is not that bad, but you have to play it more control style, setup 3 froslass, don't bench any 2 prize pokemons and stall. They autolose if they bench 2 teal masks + squak.
They need 6 turns to win and in the meantime 3 froslass would deal like 300 dmg
just curious why when I hit teal mask with mirrage it doesn't hit either of them
@@pregnantmiltank Teal mask is a tera pokemon
@@threatfiree could you enlighten me on this? I haven't played tcg in a year or so
@@pregnantmiltank tera type pokemon, the sparkly guys have an ability at the top of the card saying they can't take damage on the bench
@@threatfiree wow... lesson learned. Thank you
I just tried out this deck list in 4 matches and won all 4! Not too shabby! A little awkward at first and a little inconsistent with the draw support, but overall not bad. I even was able to comeback from a 2-6 prize card deficit. One thing I like about this deck is the constant 3 prize turns if you can pull it off!
Late to the party, but I wanted to say that the Snorlax Block matchup is brilliant. All you have to do is set up two or three Froslass and just sit and wait. Opponent is completely helpless.
I played against this deck on the first week of Twilight Mascarade. I was definitely the best way to play this Greninja ex. 🙌🏽
Edit: Mirage Barrage is actually doing what it’s supposed to. Greninja’s attack says “discard two energies. THEN you deal 120 damage to two Pokémon.” Because that is the case, and by the time the damage is applied Greninja no longer has DTE, it cannot decrease the damage of the attack.
I had my longest losing streak ever using a deck that was just a couple cards off from this list. 11 straight Ls. Even lost to a Blastoise ex that was playing Candace as their main supporter. Every hand was always awkward, I was constantly one piece off and just getting steam rolled by meta decks. My only two wins were both against Lugia.
Thanks for the insight on the deck. It looks like fun but the lack of consistent draw support seems a bit scary, was that one of the issues you ran into?
Same here. Very similar list, but the lack of draw made it difficult to piece together everything needed. Also had a long losing streak.
I had a similar run with a similar list 🤣but when it runs its so fun.
I had the opposite. When I use this list almost exactly. It's what I perform best with.
Yeah same, I also tried a version of this deck with Pidgeot, and while it’s a more consistent draw engine, it still requires a lot of pieces and could take longer to set up if you can’t find rare candy in time. I might try adding a 1-1 Bibarel line…
This is the only deck that I have tried before I saw it on your channel and I had so much fun playing it. I still play it every now and again sometimes substitute frostlass for Pidgey
yooo greninja froslass! Since its apparently water pokemon month, you should try golisopod ex with boomerang energy since now it can be a deck! heres my list if anyone would like to make any suggestions
(its fairly unoptimized i think)
Pokémon: 11
1 Mimikyu PAF 37
2 Origin Forme Palkia V ASR 167
1 Klefki SVI 96
3 Golisopod ex PAR 50
1 Manaphy BRS 41
2 Origin Forme Palkia VSTAR ASR 40
1 Radiant Greninja ASR 46
3 Wimpod PGO 25
1 Flutter Mane TEF 78
Trainer: 24
2 Switch CRZ 144
4 Irida ASR 147
2 Boss's Orders PAL 265
2 Earthen Vessel PAR 163
3 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144
3 Iono PAF 237
2 Nest Ball SUM 123
1 Technical Machine: Devolution PAR 177
1 Snorlax Doll PAR 175
1 Super Rod PAL 188
1 Lost Vacuum LOR 217
3 Professor's Research SVI 241
4 Ultra Ball CRZ 146
2 Beach Court PAR 263
1 Unfair Stamp TWM 165
Energy: 3
9 Basic {W} Energy Energy 11
4 Boomerang Energy TWM 166
Total Cards: 60
(you can probably replace snorlax doll with a rescue board or consistency card or even dte)
Thx, Too lazy too lookup a list and yea been thinking of using that boomerang energy with golisopod.
Golisopod is one of my favorite Pokemon, thanks for the list recommendation!
Golisopod is one of my favorite Pokemon, thanks for the list recommendation!
definitely take boomerang energy out and replace with DTE.. boomerang is honestly ass while DTE is just 1 attachment and doesnt reduce dmg becuase its discarded before damage calculation
@@TheGreatPewpyOne nah boomerang energy allows u to conserve energy and u already have palkia for acceleration but dte can be a good one of to potentially attack quicker if you cant get going T2. basically DTE is not a good replacement cuz its too inefficent for the long run (especially when they boss your golisopod)
The mirage barrage is working correctly, the double turbo is being discard to perform the attack action.
Since it is no longer attached it does reduce the damage to 100
the game isn't working correctly there is a Japanese ruling that states its supposed to be 100 damage id link the site but youtube doesn't like links also the patch notes also states this is a bug and will be fixed next update
I thought of a way to be able to terastralize" any pokemon in the card game. Ptcg would need to make 'Tera crowns' as tool cards for each type in the card game which you can attach to any pokemon except already Tera pokemon cards. And each Tera card would have an effect. Like Tera fire would boost that pokemon attacks or Tera normal makes the attack cost of that pokemon all colorless.
Idk it was just an idea I had so we could Tera any pokemon instead of only printed cards
Just being able to change your type would be WILD! Being able to change _your_ weakness and what you can hit for _weakness_ would change the game significantly!
@@GreenMonkeySam Silvally GX was busted for that very reason. It could change into any type you want if you had the correct Memory tool attached
The ogerpon-raging nolt mu is very favorable if you evolve 3 froslass asap and then feed them froakies to knock out until the mid-late game when you can evolve a greninja to 2 shot a bolt and mirage barrage the cooked pons
You can't Mirage Barrage the Ogerpons on the bench
@@WillieRayPR you're right but still, in the mid/late game the pons usually get knocked out by the accumulated damage. Suitable targets for mirage barrage could be Squawk and a gusted Pon in the active
I don't think its a glitch when ninja does 120 with dte. The energy is discarded before the attack so it nullifies the damage reduction
Nope it's a bug, should be 100 as the damage is set before the effect of the attack is applied
i think its still 120 because you discard the double turbo same as festival lead working if you ko the fluttermane its gone and so is the effect
it's 100
@@pluviaaeternum its 120
@@mitsuyo3227 It's supposed to be 100 though.
Frosslass is probably the best since the ruling is 100 damage with dte, still allowing for bibarel knockouts and even setting up quick archeops knockouts. Thinking of building this deck irl, since it's such pretty artwork.
Im also thinking of combining it with palkia too!
Tsareena ex + Panic Mask is OP with Froslass.
Should DTE weaken the bench attack for Delphox V too? I couldn't find info on it online but pretty sure ptcgl does 100 to active and 120 to the bench
@@grooselightning5331nah PTCGL just does 120 to 2
I believe double turbo doesnt reduce the greninja barrage because damage form 120 to 100 because the dmage comes form an effect of the attack and not the attack itself. like if you had turbo energy and you use the first attack it has 170 damage from the attack, that would have been reduced to 150. i think it matters if its attack or damage from an effect.
This and the fact you are discarding the turbo energy for the cost of the effect. meaning turbos not on greninja anymore.
If thats so then its not bugged.
The first reason is not exact I think since damage is damage, even if it is in the "additional effect". This is not 120 in damage counter, but really 120 damage. So that should be 100
However, because you discard the double turbo before, you don't reduce the damage. That is the real reason. Thanks for pointing it out!
you also discard the energy before damage is dealt so technically the DTE isnt attached when resolving therefore no damage reduction
This deck would be a lot of fun (probably not very good) with weezing that did damage for being in the active. He also had a spread that did 40 to active and 20 to everything damaged. That +dmg pump would be a lot of fun
You mentioned a bug with DTE not reducing damage on mirage barrage - I don't think it's a bug. You discarded the DTE before you attacked, so it's effect ended. Unless it doesn't work that way on other pokemon that make you discard an energy to do damage...
the damage is supposed to be calculated before you discard the energy i think
I don’t think the double turbo lessens the damage of Mirage Barrage because the damage done from greninja ex is an effect of the attack and not the actual attack damage itself. But it would lessen the damage of Shinobi because its damage is from the actual attack
I saw a Froslass deck with item lock Venomoth which was pretty brutal.
Respect for using water Greninja ex! I love using Greninja cards so a double Gren deck seems fun to use!
I popped a radiant alakazam in here as well for the other greninja, or just to speed up some damage to kill things quicker.
Was looking for this comment. I use rad alakazam too, it works pretty well to ko basics
100% just makes no sense to not include it, even beat a raging bolt because of it.
Been a fan of the straight up build myself with Pidgeot! Sets up lots of opportunities for search combos
Happy you did this dexk review. Would have loved to see you put some more spice into it tho. Perhaps a follow up vid? Just using block cards to stall seems solid.
Because the attack reads "Discard 2 energy" before mentioning damage, then when you remove the DTE you actually don't have to worry about damage reduction.
I think that myth has been debunked. It is actually reduced
Even though the discard text is before the damage text, damage is applied first. Mew ex with DTE copying radiant greninja snipes for 70. It's just currently bugged on some cards like garchomp ex and greninja ex. Garchomp barely used DTE so they probably forgot, but it's now core in greninja so it should* get fixed. (* It's live so who knows when lol)
@@TheJay104 Ahh, right, forgot about the Mew ex Greninj interaction. You right!! :)
What do you say, 100 or 120 discarding the DTE?
In the regulations it is only in point F5 where they mention the modification that the energies make, long after point D in which the DTE is discarded.
I think it does 120 damage*2
This deck scares me a bit if i dont have my manaphy on the bench. By the time greninja and froslass placed on the spot, i put my manaphy ahead of the time so it can last long against them (aside from the froslass effect)
if raging bolt bench 3 ogerpon against greninja the matchup is free: bench 3-4 froslass, make frokies, cleffa and manaphy sacrifices on the active and win in 5 turns before they can get 6 prizes on your single prize only board.
This has become my favorite deck. It's lots of fun.
is dte supposed to be reducing the dmg though?
the 120x2 is after all not the attk's dmg but the effect of the attack, no?
It does 120 because the card states to discard 2 energy BEFORE the 120x2 damage, therefore by the time you deal damage the dte damage reducer is gone
Bro you should have seen my game. I lost like 10 games in a row because of me getting bad draws and like the opponent literally gets anything he wants
I have a deck like this called FrostBake. It either works great or awful. No in-between. If they have no ability mons, it is trash. But if they have a bench full of ability mons it is awesome. I got a 10 prize hand once.
Also just as something hilarious, they are making all this hullabaloo about Palafin and it is still broken af.
Especially the prebuilt deck. I built my own Palafin LostBox type and have issues every once in a while. Its just Cram, Comfey, All the Palafins and a Bloodmoon. The worst glitch I get is being able to play zero to hero as a basic. But I get this wierd one where Palafin and comfey merger together and play as the 2 cards as once. I have no idea how it is so busted but I think it has a lot to do with the new ability not being programmed in the game right. I want the deck to work right because it is a powerful card and I want to make a Greninja, Palafin with Beach. For such a low energy need It could really be a great deck.
Edit: You have to get the spooky alt art Frosties, they look so awesome.
I always love playing against it with my dragapult turbo deck, but with lugia V it's a hard matchup
DTE is being discarded, so it is no longer decreasing the damage
this is incorrect the official ruling (confirmed by many judges) is that each shot does 100 when discarding the double turbo. the online version of the game is bugged.
Have you thought about revisiting ting lu ex with froslass?? Seems like a match made in heaven
i think the game didnt reduce the damage of the mirage barrage because the energy that you discarded was the double energy so its penalty wouldn't be applied. thats just my running theory tho
Hoping greninja become more meta when terapagos and all the new normal pokemon coming in shrouded fable are released
Froslass is my favorite card from this format. It helps so many decks
Can you try a variant of this build instead of Greninja you are using Venomoth with Perplexing Powder(Professor Gnome’s Build), and ace spec Hyper Aroma if possible with your variation
Anyone else have a glitch that put 5 Rare cadies in after import???
Still bugs galore lol
I like that you also included the regular greninja ex
My list uses 2 of the paralysis frogadier to try to luck my way through the raging bolts
I play this same deck and I have been on winning for two weeks
what about greninja with the new boomerang energy for mirage barrage? (that attack name is fun to say)
Greninja needs unfair stamp to stand a chance against meta decks. Don’t hinder yourself and play anything but that! TM evolve is better right now too than the aroma
*I wish I was Greninjas tongue*
I feel like Tsareena Ex with Froslass would be good too
This is my favorite deck to play for fun.
One time I lost a game because I killed my own rotom 💀
Is not bug you need to discard the energy first so you dont lost any damaged :/ that is why the update dont do any changed of that if not greninja will be a bad card
Greninja is a busted card in a meta where gardevoir isnt the bdif and raging bolt doesnt exist. Maybe it will be solid in a couple sets.
Still no Palafin EX to go with Graninja?
very smiliar to my list i used no rotom and forest steal stone i used two more dte
Mirage barrage doesn’t do damage. The effect does
Play with 2-2 Bibarel and a 1-1 Palkia and radiant Greninja.
Palkia hits hard enough to help take out bigger mons. But the snipe ability of the greninja take out there bench or put damage on stuff for palkia range sooo good.
Do you want to go first or second with this deck??
Awesome Man!
I seen some decks run Froslass Ex
Firt discard the energy thats why you do 120 damage after all..its not buged
You calculate damage first and then discard the energy. It's bugged
@@LukadesIncorrect, you apply any effects that may alter an attack first, then apply damage. 120dmg is correct.
@@urawizard-cards agreed. It's no longer attached to Greninja at that point, therefore damage is correct
@@yamahateam5d but you are supposed to calculate damage before resolving the effects of an attack? discarding the energy on mirage barrage is an effect so it happens after damage calculation so it should reduce the damage.
@@urawizard-cards I think you're misunderstanding... You apply the effect yes, in this case dte doing 20 less damage, and then afterwards you do whatever the attack requires you to do (discard the energy)
Yo I have a decklist I haven’t lost with yet… how can I send it to you so I can watch u play it??!
not me but him and put it in the comments
@@thegoldengamer9929thank you
lets see this list
I love this deck so much, but it really is positioned awfully in the format. Lugia and pidgeot resist the KOs. Decks that get big attackers with no ability's just get ahead of us. Randomly gardevoir just blows us out.
The water Greninja ex is not good IMO.
I request that you try out digimon...digi needs a deck builder like you.
This is a Pokémon video not digimon😂
Nahhh
Pokemon and magic are the only good card games. Everything else is garbage
@@Hypnostedon I bet you never played a single game of digi.
@@Hypnostedon I'd say One Piece to, started recently and it's actually really fun.
Is there a digital version of it?
Bro can I req for dragonite deck updated version
Day 2 of asking to make a vid on wug trio zard
i tried this deck, and i lost a lot of games. stupid manaphy
Greninja is bad deck friday material
Day 2 of spreading Ting-Lu propaganda, I'd really like a video on it again. It's gotten so much better with the meta shift.
How do you power it up?
Turbo cards like Sqwakabilly ex, Carmine, and Koraidon ex to put energies from the discard onto Ting-Lu, then using heavy baton to maintain energies. I also have rockpon ex to cover for the matchups Ting-Lu dislikes.
Stop spreading awareness of my deck, lol.
First lol