If there are many cases of removed hireable creeps he could talk about them. Otherwise talking about a few creeps that could replace the S and/or D tier creeps for balancing
It bugged me how weak Ogres are in WC3, the Mauler being equivalent to a grunt when in WC2 and lore the ogres are heavy late game units who can stomp grunts. Beyond that, here's a fun trivia. Pretty much 100% of the creeps in this game are derived from an existing playable unit (Murlocs are reskinned Ghouls for instance, Harpies are Gargoyles), or they're unused assets that Blizzard repurposed as creeps (the Revenants are the first iteration of Death Knights)
@@Kolt461 I think the sludge units use the same texture as Acolytes. I heard it as a bit of warcraft 3 trivia years ago where someone went through it in the editor. Dryads also have back-boobs.
Thank you so so much for this video Grub, it is a perfect content to watch after a day of hard work. It is interesting enough for people who know WC3 universe well, but also predictable enough to not have some surprise twists or close-shave comebacks like some of the WC3 or Mechabellum content. Meaning one can just sit there for over an hour, eat chips, scratch balls and think simplest thoughts like "Yea you tell em man, Orge Magi are the real deal".
This is so strange. I knew Grubby previously, but the tier list completely escaped me until last couple days. I watched them all feverishly although I no longer play wc3. And it's surreal that a new tier list just dropped! Do another one again! Keep going.
Its fun watching this as someone with very little WC3 experience, but a LOT of DotA2 experience, seeing most of these units for the first time and instantly being able to recognize which DotA character they are.
Hey Grubby. I have a request for the next tier list video if you planned to make another. You can rank the Warcraft 3 Race Soundtrack or just soundtrack in general, the many reasons i played warcraft 3 it's not for it's gameplay, but for it's amazing Sound design. Hopefully you can do it one day
if wc3 had seasons I think merc camp would be a great avenue through which to throw wrenches at the meta. Offhand, some ideas that might be fun if balanced - hireable workers out of merc camp, maybe even with higher gold mine speed (works with racial mines like ne/ud) - random pools per map or tileset - higher stock counts - more high level mercs with long initial stock times - epic /pseudo heroes akin to doom guard or the kitted out captains(?) from campaign at high cost, long initial stock time
I think assigning all the mercs to the racial tech trees would be a good idea too, so they could benefit from the upgrades on whichever class is closest to them
Now I can't wait for creeps tier list! Maybe that'll take like 4 hours... But anyway, creeps diversity is what could bring so much joy to casual 2v2s and FFAs. I remember my friend and I once booted a 1v1 on some map where creeps had, I think, chain lightning. Or something like that, some insane damage output. That was quite a suprise and lots of fun!
Why nobody complained about the wolf? Who is the better version of centaur with same HP, speed and more damage due to crits? Do I miss something? He only cost 20 gold more....
Shredder I loved when I played. 4 supply instead of 5-9 on wood. The only major drawback is vs raiders or siege tanks where it can't repair towers and the main buildings. Pretty much no drawback on undead, and a lot less micro hassle to phase out ghouls without needed to pull them every so often. Surprised I don't see more 50 pop strategies with shredder.
Grubbs, what do you think: Should Blizzard create new units, new animations, new voice-acting-lines, a new landscape and maybe introduce some new heroes (Tavern)? Im curious about your opinion! Thanks in advance
I remember that you could hire gnoll overseer in lorderon winter camp and satyr soulstealer in felwood camp. And also murloc huntsman either in village or village fall camp. When did they replace them?
It would be mega cool if the mercenaries weren't dependent on the map. but the player could choose them like in zero space. At least someone could try to create a map where it could be done.
merc camp units are stronger (comparativly) early, but as you get tiers and upgrades become weaker thats how i always understood they would be, and your comparison backs that up without upgrades the ogre and troll are just better then the grunt and rifle, once the grunt/rifle starts getting upgrades they become better
Where are dragons, turtles, lizards, yetis, ships, dreneis, demons, etc ? They are not from ladder maps, but still - they exists on multiple official maps from Blizzard.
Let's see if I can put my skills and knowledge together. In bronze league heroes you say the biggest mistake is to go for upgrades. Here you say Mercs are better than normal units, but worse once they get their upgrades. Clearly, I need to only buy Mercs, and I will be a top pro in no time! What's that you ask, my W3Champions MMR? I'm pretty sure its 86, since that's out of 100, I'm almost the best I can be!
I am often surprised how Grubby knows so little outside main melee. And Ice Trolls have 20 more movement speed. [54:27] Ogrees woke, they just woke up from a nap.
Kinda surprised you didn't know nerubian warrior spawn spiderliings.. Also you can resurrect the nerubian warrior after they spawn spiderlings to get both them and spiderlings (both spiderlings costs 1 food each I think) I remember in frostmourne mission of human campaign I just bought 6 nerubian warriors, killed them to get 12 spiderlings and resurrected them.. I did this repeatedly to swarm mal'ganis base with like 1000 spiderlings
While quite situational, it should be also mentioned that mur'gul mercs have an additional advantage over other units - they can swim in deep water. I don't play melee that much, but I'm guessing that the maps are mostly designed in a way that either the deep water is not accesible at all, or it covers the edge of the map. So not really a groundbreaking feature, but may prove useful in some rare scenarios.
Blodfiend has a crazy stats for a 2 pop unit ! Such numbers do not happens for 2 pop mellee units. Its dps per pop is better than any native fully upgraded unit. 23-26 1.35 chaos with a cleave! I think that in a battle balanced by population, these dudes will defeat anyone except tauren.
It would be neat if the mercenaries got a look over in some of the maps and maybe adjusted and altered in stats to see if they could be made more viable. If certain items got adjusted in their stats to make them more or less attractive, more or less frequent, or more or less required, then I think it's certainly possible to have a merc camp that has some units on offer with decent cooldowns and costs that are "useful and attractive" enough to see players pick them up.
Please do a Possession/Charm tierlist. Which are the best units to steal and what combos can you do with them (including creeps with certain abilities). Edit: some people responded last time I asked that just because a unit is S-tier in its own race list doesn't make it the same rating for stealing the unit.
I think the way to assess what unit to steal is to consider how you'd benefit and what the enemy would lose. Stealing a headhunter is not a big deal if the opponent has a dozen more of them, your one headhunter will not contribute much. Stealing a Troll Batrider and then detonating them into their air army is a much bigger reward. What I mean is, the unit you steal gets better if they can provide utility just by itself. If it has nothing aside from auto attacks, not a good unit to steal. Aside from casters with dispel, Druid of the Claw, Witch Doctor, Abomination, Sorceress... those are the ones you want. You can try memeing by stealing a worker unit and getting their whole tech tree. Not very practical when it comes to 1v1s, though.
I know it's not the focus of the question, but it occurred to me that I don't think I know what happens to the droppable items when a creep is possessed or charmed. Do they just drop when the possession happens, or are the items inside the unit and drop when it dies, or are the items just lost?
Voidwalker's frost arrow range reminds me of Ability Draft in Dota 2, where if you give a melee hero an ability like frost arrows and you manually cast it instead of autoing, you'll attack from a range of the hero who the ability belongs to. It's likely the same principle.
Merc camps are not all balanced and can be measured objectively. You've got it right that assassins, geomancers, snarecasters are all just absurd. Just significantly better than any race's ranged units until they get something like tier 3 all upgrades. And you buy it instantly, no tech buildings required, no upgrade costs, no training time. 260/30/3 for 17.2 dps + 2s x 20s poison, 477 EHP 500 range and hide at night? A rifleman at tier 1 is 205/30/3 for 15.6 dps, 535 EHP 400 range and no abilities. And yet the melee creeps like rogues are just worse than footies, the worst melee unit. 4v4 games this can become a real strategy on maps with 2-4x merc camps. Royal Gardens gives you an insane mix of 2+2 different camps, so you can have bash kobolds, geomancers, assassins, command+bash kobold all at the same time, you print 80 food of armies with no tech buildings. Bloodgills aren't so shabby though. At least when you turn off their autocast half-strength heal and only manually cast, they're still like better archers for significantly higher cost, but I'd pay 60 gold to have an archer who could glue itself to my hero for ~8 hp/s healing. Also the most powerful merc camp of all time was the one removed from the game a few years ago: Sunken Ruins mapset had merc camps with Makrura Deepseer (+ S tier snarecaster / hermit and then bloodgill). It was wild since each deepseer was like hiring a level 2 keeper of the groves who didn't take up a hero slot. 500/100/4 got you a hero with entangling roots (75 mana, 8 cd, 10 duration, 10 dps, didn't hit heroes) and summon prawns (more like skeletons than treants/wolves). But when I was in lategame with a level 6+ archmage and 8x deepseers teleporting around spraying 32 prawns into each teamfight and pinning down 8 units at a time, I mean damn
Assassin: S tier because it has Envenomed Spear (2 dmg/sec for 20 sec) Wind Rider: D tier even though it has _much_ better Envenomed Spear (4 dmg/sec for 25 sec)....... and is flying, has more HP, deals more damage, and is faster. ???
@1:07:46 this is also how Traxes, the Drow Ranger worked in dota1, she had longer range when casting her Frost Arrow, and would not gain aggro from creeps since casting a spell was not considered attacking an enemy. It shared this attack pattern with other orb modifier heroes, like Clinkz the Bone Fletcher, Viper the Netherdrake and probably others I don't remember about rn.
The Skeletal Orc Grunt seems to have the terrible 800/600 vision range taken from Skeleton Warriors (summoned by Rod of Necromancy or Raise Dead spell). Presumably this maybe a measure to balance skelly scouting? Unfortunately for the big expensive merc, looks like he was given the same sight range for conceptual consistency. Also noted Grubby commented on sight ranges of 1400/800 and movement speed of 270 as being bad, but I guess that's from a higher skill pro viewpoint with a lot of hero harassing and stuff (hero standard vision is 1800/800, and even the slowest heroes have 290 movespeed since 2018). 1400/800 vision and 270 movespeed, which a lot of mercs have, is the standard for units like Footmen, Grunts, Ghouls, Archers, so to be fair to the mercs they're just "normal", rather than slow/shortsighted XD
Thank you for putting this together! I am sure this video took a LOT of your time/effort to make, also a long video itself. This game has a piece of my soul so going through all these units I haven't seen in years is fantastic. Thank you, Grubby & Team! Great video!
Now You better be doing a tier list of the other mercs you left out.... we dont deserve to be waiting for your opinion about other less common merc camps...and we wont be taking this type of abuse lightly, young man!!!
One thing I wonder about with the Nerubian Warrior, and I dont know if this would make it any better, but do the Spiderlings he spawns have any Food cost? It seems like having free units on the map just to scout and not actually engage could be useful to know where your opponent is without investing any real resources into that if you feel the Nerubian warrior minus the deathrattle is worth the cost otherwise. P.S I'm actually awful at RTS AND W3, so I have no idea. :) Just thinking out loud.
almost every mercenary has 0.5 hp regen except some cases like bloodfiend but cold arrow from (NW+mercenaries) is not different than cold attack from Undead?
they need to buff mercs and make them more unique, stronger, make them be less available but itll make for more fun in games, should make competitive maps with mercs
I would love to see a map ban / best maps video for each race! I just started playing again after a decade of not playing and I am always unsure what maps are good for me and bad on each race. Love the videos, your channel has been a huge help getting back into the game!
i remember sunken ruins campament had Makruras? where they removed sometime?
Actually you’re right.. you had those Makrura Deep Seers that summoned the shrimps and entangled.. there’s actually so many mercs and neutrals I. Wc3…
R.I.P Makruras
If there are many cases of removed hireable creeps he could talk about them. Otherwise talking about a few creeps that could replace the S and/or D tier creeps for balancing
@@GrubbyTalksgrubby is so efficient he's learned to shorten "In" to "I."
@@GrubbyTalks do all mercs please
It bugged me how weak Ogres are in WC3, the Mauler being equivalent to a grunt when in WC2 and lore the ogres are heavy late game units who can stomp grunts.
Beyond that, here's a fun trivia. Pretty much 100% of the creeps in this game are derived from an existing playable unit (Murlocs are reskinned Ghouls for instance, Harpies are Gargoyles), or they're unused assets that Blizzard repurposed as creeps (the Revenants are the first iteration of Death Knights)
Pretty far from 100% i think. (Ogre, Centaurs, Razormanes, Wildkin, Sludge Flingers, Satyrs)
Yea, especially that smaller ogre creep. Basically equivalent to footmen and ghouls stat wise.
@@Kolt461 I think the sludge units use the same texture as Acolytes. I heard it as a bit of warcraft 3 trivia years ago where someone went through it in the editor.
Dryads also have back-boobs.
@@Edin116 yep, it's the same texture stretched on a different skeleton.
Really sad that basically none of these are seen in melee maps... More maps with different mercenary camps, please!
Mercs are my favourite gameplay feature in this game
yeah as a kid I always wanted to have ogers and assasins* etc. because they look the coolest
I agree, I think they should be explored more in the competitive scene; especially on the newer maps
RIP the mercs that Arthas betrayed.
I like gribblies and monsters. I wish they had a bit more support.
@@ernestomarcos0103 THEY TOOK OUR JOBS... and SHIPS! Damn beasts!
Goblin Shredder should be S+ tier for it's amazing death animation and sound.
I would love to see new mercenaries with magic and siege damage.
Thank you so so much for this video Grub, it is a perfect content to watch after a day of hard work. It is interesting enough for people who know WC3 universe well, but also predictable enough to not have some surprise twists or close-shave comebacks like some of the WC3 or Mechabellum content. Meaning one can just sit there for over an hour, eat chips, scratch balls and think simplest thoughts like "Yea you tell em man, Orge Magi are the real deal".
When you say doodad, I am reminded of Harstems "I DON'T KNOW WHAT DOODAD IS!!!".
laughed my ass off because i spent many weeks in the world editor as a kid trying ot make shit maps lmao
This is so strange. I knew Grubby previously, but the tier list completely escaped me until last couple days. I watched them all feverishly although I no longer play wc3.
And it's surreal that a new tier list just dropped!
Do another one again! Keep going.
Its fun watching this as someone with very little WC3 experience, but a LOT of DotA2 experience, seeing most of these units for the first time and instantly being able to recognize which DotA character they are.
Hey Grubby. I have a request for the next tier list video if you planned to make another. You can rank the Warcraft 3 Race Soundtrack or just soundtrack in general, the many reasons i played warcraft 3 it's not for it's gameplay, but for it's amazing Sound design. Hopefully you can do it one day
Ogre mauler always been my fav wish it got little buff or lower gold cost
if wc3 had seasons I think merc camp would be a great avenue through which to throw wrenches at the meta. Offhand, some ideas that might be fun if balanced
- hireable workers out of merc camp, maybe even with higher gold mine speed (works with racial mines like ne/ud)
- random pools per map or tileset
- higher stock counts
- more high level mercs with long initial stock times
- epic /pseudo heroes akin to doom guard or the kitted out captains(?) from campaign at high cost, long initial stock time
I think assigning all the mercs to the racial tech trees would be a good idea too, so they could benefit from the upgrades on whichever class is closest to them
Now I want to see games on each tile set with only heroes and mercs!
Now I can't wait for creeps tier list! Maybe that'll take like 4 hours... But anyway, creeps diversity is what could bring so much joy to casual 2v2s and FFAs. I remember my friend and I once booted a 1v1 on some map where creeps had, I think, chain lightning. Or something like that, some insane damage output. That was quite a suprise and lots of fun!
I love these tier list videos
*hands shaking from tierlist withdrawal* yo grubby, you got any more of those tierlists?
How about Heroes' name tier list?
I wish there was more variety in merc camps used in competitive maps
Why nobody complained about the wolf? Who is the better version of centaur with same HP, speed and more damage due to crits? Do I miss something? He only cost 20 gold more....
Shredder I loved when I played. 4 supply instead of 5-9 on wood. The only major drawback is vs raiders or siege tanks where it can't repair towers and the main buildings. Pretty much no drawback on undead, and a lot less micro hassle to phase out ghouls without needed to pull them every so often. Surprised I don't see more 50 pop strategies with shredder.
It's mostly issue of a 5 minute initial cooldown, you cannot not harvest wood in that period, thus, as Grubby said, you mostly buy it when expanding
Remember this is a no pants Tier List
I remember Ashenvale selling Thunder Lizards
You actually DID IT. You madlad! I love this
31:40 I feel Revenant can be worth it for caster human build just for the mindgames of guessing which blizzard actuallu deals damage
Would like to see a tierlist of broken lvl 6 or higher lvl creeps
Grubbs, what do you think: Should Blizzard create new units, new animations, new voice-acting-lines, a new landscape and maybe introduce some new heroes (Tavern)?
Im curious about your opinion!
Thanks in advance
I remember that you could hire gnoll overseer in lorderon winter camp and satyr soulstealer in felwood camp. And also murloc huntsman either in village or village fall camp. When did they replace them?
Oh and furbolg shaman in Ashenvale
It would be mega cool if the mercenaries weren't dependent on the map. but the player could choose them like in zero space. At least someone could try to create a map where it could be done.
Make a tier list for creeps of each tileset then?
merc camp units are stronger (comparativly) early, but as you get tiers and upgrades become weaker
thats how i always understood they would be, and your comparison backs that up
without upgrades the ogre and troll are just better then the grunt and rifle, once the grunt/rifle starts getting upgrades they become better
Where are dragons, turtles, lizards, yetis, ships, dreneis, demons, etc ?
They are not from ladder maps, but still - they exists on multiple official maps from Blizzard.
Finally! Hell yeah
Please make a unit death sound tierlist
Would be cool to see how high you can rank with no racial units or hero just tavern and merc camp
Yo grubby, when you gonna try Age of Mythology Retold? It's a pretty good game
Can you do all units/mercenaries death sound?
Is an Undead grunt tougher than a living one? That's kinda odd.
Let's see if I can put my skills and knowledge together. In bronze league heroes you say the biggest mistake is to go for upgrades. Here you say Mercs are better than normal units, but worse once they get their upgrades. Clearly, I need to only buy Mercs, and I will be a top pro in no time! What's that you ask, my W3Champions MMR? I'm pretty sure its 86, since that's out of 100, I'm almost the best I can be!
The info I didn't know I needed
Blizz should come in and re-evaluate the units in D and C tier, why bother existing other than to feed the enemy?
1:40 not picking up the book triggered me so hard
I am often surprised how Grubby knows so little outside main melee. And Ice Trolls have 20 more movement speed.
[54:27] Ogrees woke, they just woke up from a nap.
Love mercs!
Dragons??? 🐉🐢
took you long enough.
Second
A tierlist for neutral creeps to possess with banshees would be sick!
You mean banshees?
@@Alfie-ni7lx yes, my bad, haha
mammoth, salamander, bandit, deceiver, unbroken darkweaver
Oh magad, yes!
It's not ideal, you lose the exp.. but there's troll high priests with inner fire, and dark priest with Sleep.
Kinda surprised you didn't know nerubian warrior spawn spiderliings..
Also you can resurrect the nerubian warrior after they spawn spiderlings to get both them and spiderlings (both spiderlings costs 1 food each I think)
I remember in frostmourne mission of human campaign I just bought 6 nerubian warriors, killed them to get 12 spiderlings and resurrected them.. I did this repeatedly to swarm mal'ganis base with like 1000 spiderlings
I knew they spawned spiderlings...I did NOT know they were permanent!
They should have ability tooltip for that or something so that people know.
We need the critter tier list Grubby
Wouldn't centaur archer be great early game to cancel heal salves when the enemy has no cc yet?
That’s great actually. I’d hate for someone to use that against me
Do a tier list on creeps next time to see which one is the hardest to kill/requires the most effort
1:45 😭📕
Keep making these please they're super insightful
While quite situational, it should be also mentioned that mur'gul mercs have an additional advantage over other units - they can swim in deep water. I don't play melee that much, but I'm guessing that the maps are mostly designed in a way that either the deep water is not accesible at all, or it covers the edge of the map. So not really a groundbreaking feature, but may prove useful in some rare scenarios.
Interesting. I remember Naga Sea Witch could also swim but it was removed early on (might've been in the Frozen Throne Beta).
Blodfiend has a crazy stats for a 2 pop unit ! Such numbers do not happens for 2 pop mellee units. Its dps per pop is better than any native fully upgraded unit. 23-26 1.35 chaos with a cleave! I think that in a battle balanced by population, these dudes will defeat anyone except tauren.
I'd love to see more plays with mercs, definitely underutilized in the game sadly
It would be neat if the mercenaries got a look over in some of the maps and maybe adjusted and altered in stats to see if they could be made more viable. If certain items got adjusted in their stats to make them more or less attractive, more or less frequent, or more or less required, then I think it's certainly possible to have a merc camp that has some units on offer with decent cooldowns and costs that are "useful and attractive" enough to see players pick them up.
I wonder if there is any early creeping abuse you could do with the centaur.
Another tier list video.... Just the way i love it, thanks for this Grubby
Yo
26:32 FORTY supply? That is very significant, I agree
Hahaha oops
A tierlist for all the ways in which you can kill a Demon Hunter
Or a blademaster
Sky hired the tier d rogue in stars war 11
Please do a Possession/Charm tierlist. Which are the best units to steal and what combos can you do with them (including creeps with certain abilities).
Edit: some people responded last time I asked that just because a unit is S-tier in its own race list doesn't make it the same rating for stealing the unit.
I think the way to assess what unit to steal is to consider how you'd benefit and what the enemy would lose. Stealing a headhunter is not a big deal if the opponent has a dozen more of them, your one headhunter will not contribute much. Stealing a Troll Batrider and then detonating them into their air army is a much bigger reward. What I mean is, the unit you steal gets better if they can provide utility just by itself. If it has nothing aside from auto attacks, not a good unit to steal. Aside from casters with dispel, Druid of the Claw, Witch Doctor, Abomination, Sorceress... those are the ones you want.
You can try memeing by stealing a worker unit and getting their whole tech tree. Not very practical when it comes to 1v1s, though.
Spellbreakers would be a pretty good target to steal, but iirc, you cannot charm/possess a Spellbreaker, and all magic immune units.
I know it's not the focus of the question, but it occurred to me that I don't think I know what happens to the droppable items when a creep is possessed or charmed.
Do they just drop when the possession happens, or are the items inside the unit and drop when it dies, or are the items just lost?
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 they're dropped.
@@Edin116
I seeee
Thanksies! I figured they were, but thanks for confirmation!
Shouldnt the levels of the units (how much exp they'll give to opponent) also be a factor?
assassin is level 4 but spider is lvl 3!
The Wind Witch section had me dying 🤣
I'm pretty sure that when I played about 19 years ago, in one of the camps there was a giant lizard worth 5 or 6 population
I love the ogres always been my favourite wish they were part of orc like im the campaigns
Voidwalker's frost arrow range reminds me of Ability Draft in Dota 2, where if you give a melee hero an ability like frost arrows and you manually cast it instead of autoing, you'll attack from a range of the hero who the ability belongs to. It's likely the same principle.
Merc camps are not all balanced and can be measured objectively. You've got it right that assassins, geomancers, snarecasters are all just absurd. Just significantly better than any race's ranged units until they get something like tier 3 all upgrades. And you buy it instantly, no tech buildings required, no upgrade costs, no training time. 260/30/3 for 17.2 dps + 2s x 20s poison, 477 EHP 500 range and hide at night? A rifleman at tier 1 is 205/30/3 for 15.6 dps, 535 EHP 400 range and no abilities.
And yet the melee creeps like rogues are just worse than footies, the worst melee unit.
4v4 games this can become a real strategy on maps with 2-4x merc camps. Royal Gardens gives you an insane mix of 2+2 different camps, so you can have bash kobolds, geomancers, assassins, command+bash kobold all at the same time, you print 80 food of armies with no tech buildings.
Bloodgills aren't so shabby though. At least when you turn off their autocast half-strength heal and only manually cast, they're still like better archers for significantly higher cost, but I'd pay 60 gold to have an archer who could glue itself to my hero for ~8 hp/s healing.
Also the most powerful merc camp of all time was the one removed from the game a few years ago: Sunken Ruins mapset had merc camps with Makrura Deepseer (+ S tier snarecaster / hermit and then bloodgill). It was wild since each deepseer was like hiring a level 2 keeper of the groves who didn't take up a hero slot. 500/100/4 got you a hero with entangling roots (75 mana, 8 cd, 10 duration, 10 dps, didn't hit heroes) and summon prawns (more like skeletons than treants/wolves). But when I was in lategame with a level 6+ archmage and 8x deepseers teleporting around spraying 32 prawns into each teamfight and pinning down 8 units at a time, I mean damn
Mercenary camp tierlist like I asked a couple weeks ago! Heck yeah! Thanks Grubby :)
Am I wrong? But I dont think I hardly ever see you pick mercs. Accept the common troll priest, shredder and zappers
hey logan 🎉🎉
20:25 I love how the Harpy voices was slowly distracting to Grubby. "Sick voicelines" lmfao
Merc boys!
I've seen the giant wolf or ogre magi in any games ; _ ;
I'm puzzled. How is 300 vs. 200 is 50% more? 300 vs. 150 should be.
Assassin: S tier because it has Envenomed Spear (2 dmg/sec for 20 sec)
Wind Rider: D tier even though it has _much_ better Envenomed Spear (4 dmg/sec for 25 sec)....... and is flying, has more HP, deals more damage, and is faster.
???
@1:07:46 this is also how Traxes, the Drow Ranger worked in dota1, she had longer range when casting her Frost Arrow, and would not gain aggro from creeps since casting a spell was not considered attacking an enemy.
It shared this attack pattern with other orb modifier heroes, like Clinkz the Bone Fletcher, Viper the Netherdrake and probably others I don't remember about rn.
The Skeletal Orc Grunt seems to have the terrible 800/600 vision range taken from Skeleton Warriors (summoned by Rod of Necromancy or Raise Dead spell).
Presumably this maybe a measure to balance skelly scouting?
Unfortunately for the big expensive merc, looks like he was given the same sight range for conceptual consistency.
Also noted Grubby commented on sight ranges of 1400/800 and movement speed of 270 as being bad, but I guess that's from a higher skill pro viewpoint with a lot of hero harassing and stuff (hero standard vision is 1800/800, and even the slowest heroes have 290 movespeed since 2018).
1400/800 vision and 270 movespeed, which a lot of mercs have, is the standard for units like Footmen, Grunts, Ghouls, Archers, so to be fair to the mercs they're just "normal", rather than slow/shortsighted XD
Take 2 Frost Revenants with Obsidian Statues and Necromancer Skeleton armies.
An unpopular opinion, but I really dislike the editint and the cuts. Takes away from the cozy atmosphere. Now i hace to find it in the VOD...
- Adûnâi
This Voidwalker with Frostarrow abuse works the same as Jakiro. Jakiro has different autocast range modifier aka auto range and click cast range
What about Merc dragons? I wouldn't ask since they're not normal mercenaries from merc camp but since you included goblin lab...
Thank you for putting this together! I am sure this video took a LOT of your time/effort to make, also a long video itself. This game has a piece of my soul so going through all these units I haven't seen in years is fantastic. Thank you, Grubby & Team! Great video!
Matches where you use all S and A tier units when? :D
Now
You better be doing a tier list of the other mercs you left out.... we dont deserve to be waiting for your opinion about other less common merc camps...and we wont be taking this type of abuse lightly, young man!!!
One thing I wonder about with the Nerubian Warrior, and I dont know if this would make it any better, but do the Spiderlings he spawns have any Food cost?
It seems like having free units on the map just to scout and not actually engage could be useful to know where your opponent is without investing any real resources into that if you feel the Nerubian warrior minus the deathrattle is worth the cost otherwise.
P.S I'm actually awful at RTS AND W3, so I have no idea. :) Just thinking out loud.
The grunt is not 50% cheaper than the ogre, it's 1/3 (or abour 33%) cheaper. The ogre however is 50% more expensive than the grunt.
almost every mercenary has 0.5 hp regen except some cases like bloodfiend
but cold arrow from (NW+mercenaries) is not different than cold attack from Undead?
Still can’t believe they killed off Carl in the show. I’ll never forgive the show for ruining Carl
Great video! I would listen to your thoughts on what types of mercs are missing. What should you add to the game?
The spoder looks actually better value - for 200 gold you get 800+ HP effectively
they need to buff mercs and make them more unique, stronger, make them be less available but itll make for more fun in games, should make competitive maps with mercs
how dare Grubby defy the wisdom of Bronze league heroes! (his comments regarding shredder purchases)
I would love to see a map ban / best maps video for each race! I just started playing again after a decade of not playing and I am always unsure what maps are good for me and bad on each race. Love the videos, your channel has been a huge help getting back into the game!
I just love the way you say Biome
Goblin shredder should get a lower rating for having the worst possible unit icon. Its nearly impossible to identify what you see
I just tested, command aura does stack with war drums, so you can in theory get up to 30% extra damage as orc on every unit with kobold and kodo beast
Grubby you have the orc mindset too much because for Nightelf dispel is not so important too get on mercs, i would say.