While the 780m supports LPDDR5-7500 there are hardly any laptops with that RAM. The Yoga Slim 7 14 is using LPDDR5-6400 and the Elitebook 845 G10 is using DDR5-5600. Is the Arc ahead purely because of faster RAM? Even if so, it is quite a good iGPU performance from Intel this time around.
@LocoMated For CPU operations you are right. But for iGPU, RAM speed matters a lot. Gaming laptops don't need that because they have DGPUs with GDDR6 memory.
There are suggestions that many of these laptops tested with LPDDR5-7500 will not get that in the consumer launch. So they were specifically used to boost the marketing performance, so that would mean that speed is a factor; otherwise, why do that (assuming this is correct).
Basically, unless something changes in firmware and/or drivers, get whichever is cheaper from Meteor Lake or Phoenix. That's honestly a big difference from the absolute masacre that raptor lake has been getting from AMD's efficiency until now. However, I worry that all Meteor Lake laptops will be much more expensive than AMD's...
@@sagnaik U parts are not meant for gaming laptops. No-one wants a 15W CPU with a dedicated graphics card. Intel also has no U part with GPUs. Regarding your second point, that might be true. However, there are the HX parts (Dragon range) so maybe those are reserved for highest end GPUs?
While I do not have any reliable info, do not forget AMD's tendency to be unable to reliably deliver the quantities needed for manufacturers to "bet" on the platform for their high-end notebook designs. I think this plays a huge role in that we do not see more notebooks with the Chips you mentioned.
I am looking forward to seeing this machine in the test. I own Zenbook 14 with i5 1240p. This is quite impressive machine. Asus gave to users an option allowing to set performance, standard or whisper mode. In performance mode, laptop gets very noisy but machine is doing very well, easily beating scores normally reserved for laptops with i7 1260p/1360p. In standard mode, machine performs as standard i5 laptop with acceptable level of noise. Whisper mode- perfect for web and office tasks makes the laptop almost fanless, but not slow. When I got that laptop, I ran a number of CB R15 tests in loop of 10, and laptop was able to hit over 1600 point in multi core, never going under 1500. That was really impressive for i5. I wonder how this solution will be implemented in new zenbook, having in mind iGPU update. If battery time improves (in whisper mode battery life is very good), it might be time for upgrade....
I really enjoyed my (brief) time with the Zenbook. It's a very snappy system with heaps of performance headroom. I am also pretty curious about battery life, so let's hope we can get a final sample soon.
Will those laptops ship with that speed of ram in them? If not, that's going to greatly skew the iGPU results vs what people will actually be receiving when they buy MTL laptops.
@@NotebookcheckReviews Testing that with your current setup should be fairly easy (assuming that you're not barred from doing so) as you can swap out a different kit and see how that scales performance. Would be an interesting experiment anyway as it could give end users an idea on how their unit may perform based on ram speeds.
I'm unsure how Intel CPU prefer to hit 100c at stock operating speeds as opposed to Ryzens. After repasting Intel CPU temps are almost same whereas ryzen sees a steady drop by 5c at worst. I live ina high ambient temp region.
This depends on the application you are working with. I tried this one for one of our videos in Resolve 18 (which is very GPU-dependent), and I could play back our .braw 6k files with no problem. Working in a full edit with colour grades, transitions, and text effects was pretty choppy tho. So your 4060 will still perform much better, but the ARC is doing very well for an iGPU, and performance might improve with future driver updates.
Absolutely. It also means we do not have to disregard the GPU section completely when testing Intel laptops. I am genuinely excited to see what happens in games!
The Arc iGPU and the crazy RAM speeds are exciting upgrades! I've always been team red specifically for efficient and longer battery but if Intel can get that right plus with their thunderbolt advantage, I may have to switch to blue!
A step in the right direction for Intel, but that Zenbook's looking really sweet. Definitely will consider moving to ASUS in my next Windows upgrade from Dell's XPS (unless Dell decides to switch it up soon).
I agree. And yeah, the Zenbooks are really awesome productivity/entertainment machines. I was just using the 2023 S13 for a bit, a super sleek, lightweight "every day" notebook. And for the XPS ... check the channel in early January ;)
Nice but i wish they give a little more details on the integrated ARC GPUs. I get the Xe cores but i don't know if these cores contain shaders or execution units. I mean what is possible on the iGPU chip that will make it runs games, and i mean games in general. Not that i'm only thinking of high end games.
I would say that because Intel went a different approach this time around. They tried to balance performance, efficiency, iGPU, and features without trying to exceed in one area.
@@NotebookcheckReviews Multicore performance is expected to suffer a bit when the focus is power efficiency, I get that. Same thing with the 13th gen P series vs H series CPUs. However I can't believe they moved to a new process node and that yielded worse single core performance. I don't think that has ever happened before. Ryzen always had better single core performance going from 14nm -> 12nm -> 7nm -> 4nm.
@@NXDL25it's a very complicated question. TSMC nodes are different to Intel nodes so it's possibly Intel 4 is a little less performant in order to get massive efficiency, but also it might have been their own architectural choices to go this way. Thirdly, it could be unfinished drivers and firmware. Smart people such as Ian Cutress and Wendell will let us know more once enough time and more data is available, from amazing testers such as Alex and his team :D
There was no upgrade to the P-core architecture and the clockspeeds are lower. With the examples you list, there were architectural upgrades that happened alongside the node change. Meteor Lake still uses the Raptor Lake P-cores.
It always depends on the device it's running in. We chose the HP since its a similar form factor and feature set to the Zenbook. So you will find a faster 7940HS.
It is sad to say that a change of architecture, the insertion of a new type of core, the using of a new intel 4(7nm) process combined with TSCM 5nm just lead to a marginal improvement...
You cannot judge the new chips by their CPU benchmark performance alone. You get marginal CPU improvement, true. But these are still pretty snappy CPUs, and in addition, you get a MUCH faster GPU, the NPU for future AI applications, and increased efficiency. I can imagine it is quite a challenge to balance such a processor, and I think Intel did quite well.
@@NotebookcheckReviews Probably it is necessary more tests, for sure, but you cannot say that because you fell it snappy and there are good paper specs. If you state Synthetic benchmarks (which most of the time are a good indications) are not enough you cannot use the “sensation” to guarantee it is a good product. As I said, the GPU is using a 5nm TSMC process and is just competitive with the AMD 780m. Good results but nothing to be exited about, we already have such performance in the market. The same in power consumption they just have reach the competitors using a new node, new architecture and new ultra efficiency core. Basically they put all what they have to just reach the level of the current market. If you cannot judge a chip by the today performance, for sure you cannot do it by looking at future promise, and also in that aspect both AMD and Apple already have AI accelerator in they SoC. I am not saying it is a bad product, but it is not mind blowing, it is just competitive and represent the current status of Intel: in hurry to catch the competition, very sad. It is pretty obvious that they concentrate the effort on marketing because you cannot have cpu that just reach the competition already present in the market and see a lot of news reporting it as a revolution. Of course, I expect that the “review” can be biased, but this time is too much.
@@IcaniCorrono I agree; it does appear that if Apple came out with this, it would get slammed for simply catching up with rivals and lower benchmarking, but Intel and its big marketing budget mean a more friendly YT creator interpretation. It has caught up, so that is good, but to paint a picture of innovation and game-changing is seemingly marketing rhetoric. The AI is great and, over time, will become useful; the encoders/decoders, a contemporary iGPU and the new low-power base cores are great for standby, so some good stuff, but TBH, they are 1-2 years behind rivals, and this is not all rainbows and unicorns as some of the reviews (previews) maintain.
We will have to wait and see until such devices are available. We did some additional testing at lower wattages in our early analysis article: www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Meteor-Lake-Analysis-Core-Ultra-7-155H-only-convinces-with-GPU-performance.783320.0.html#toc-9
Its step in the right direction but i would say the AMDs Phoenix is still slightly better. and thats without accounting for the expected MUCH HIGHER COST of intel new chip.
AMD Phoenix is many times better because meteor lake is actually WORSE than previous raptor lake. Intels new meteor lake chips are in early alpha stage at best. There will be a ton of bugs, problems and vulnerabilities discovered as soon as meteor lake becomes widely available. Just look at those poor cpus... theyre basically frankenstein monsters fused together with a mix of crap intel found laying around... this is not how cpu from such a huge technology player should look like BUT something you would expect to come out from some new emerging chinese cpu company.
For now, both CPUs are on par in terms of performance, while AMD has the edge regarding efficiency. I did not encounter any bugs during my early hands-on with the Zenbook (I just had it briefly), but it performed quite well and was very snappy.
My ideal PC architecture in 2024 will be one based on Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite. I already use a Windows Dev Kit 2023 with Snapdragon 8cx gen 3, and a great fan of Windows 11 arm, so looking forward to the significantly higher performance Snapdragon X Elite in a Microsoft Surface Pro format factor. It will then be bye bye M1 iPad Pro with magic keyboard, which is crippled by iPoor OS to be an oversized iPhone in a walled garden of mostly mediocre smart apps.
Congratulations, Intel, 8 months late, but now you have a comparable apu to AMDs7000 series apus. Too bad hawk point will decimate your late to market meteorlate apu
Can't wait for this processor tech to end up in Framework's lineup. If my computer ever dies I can upgrade to one of these puppies down the road then without replacing the entire laptop lol
The CPU "upgrade" definitely explains the unhinged Core Truths presentation where they spent so much time rambling about AMD and about "why the latest isn't always the greatest but the latest is the best" and so on.
Remember, the test units use non-consumer speed RAM, so the device/apps may not support these one-off RAM modules, which are there to boost reviews but will not be sold. So, I would ignore these early previews and wait for consumer models to be released so you do not get a false impression that these marketing machines give out.
a good try but intel is so far behind amd when amd releases zen 5 then intel is again far behind now intel has come close to zen 4 when it comes to AI windows 12 requires 40-50 TOPS to work with AI intel has under 30 AMD has 45-50 it's a pity that amd has no competition where intel is far ahead is efficiency when it comes to heat so you can also have intel's portable as a heating element you get 2 in 1👍👍
What's impressive about a GPU that barely caught up to the competition? fanboyism towards intel? Another meaningless release which will be paired with RTX on a laptop anyways
If this chip is actually available in entry level laptops at a reasonable price, it will overtake 7840u, which is the chip you can’t find anywhere except in an HP machine. Both AMD and intel suck
Still sorely loses out to an m3max 16c😂 Apple👑.. I just tested the new m3pro 12c against my 13900h Maschine using my numpy Mandelbrot test And the m3pro got 28s and the 13900h took 55,6s. (Using multiprocessing and np)
Well they caught up to AMD... 's last gen processors. That makes it DOA because Phoenix laptops are discounted so perf/€ should be much better. Availability and price are the name of the game until Strix Point stomps on Meteor Lake in mid-2024. 2025 could be interesting when Intel hits back with Arrow Lake but until then 🥱
Well, let's see what we can expect from Hawk Point; until then, for most people looking for a laptop today, it does not really matter what might happen in 2025, and as of today, Intel has just launched a very competitive platform. And as you mentioned, they can ship it with A LOT of devices ....
@@NotebookcheckReviews Yeah DOA was too harsh. Hawk Point = Phoenix in terms of CPU & GPU so that's not gonna matter. But still MTL didn't bring a meaningful improvement compared to Phoenix that's already widely available while MTL models are just launching totally missing out on holiday shopping. PS: Strix is mid-2024 so only half a year away.
While the 780m supports LPDDR5-7500 there are hardly any laptops with that RAM. The Yoga Slim 7 14 is using LPDDR5-6400 and the Elitebook 845 G10 is using DDR5-5600. Is the Arc ahead purely because of faster RAM? Even if so, it is quite a good iGPU performance from Intel this time around.
I would say it's definitely a factor but not in a significant way. But we need a lot more data to get a clearer picture.
It's most definitely a huge factor. IGPUs are starved from ram bandwidth
Legion Go and GPD Win 4 are using 7500Mhz RAM
@LocoMated For CPU operations you are right. But for iGPU, RAM speed matters a lot. Gaming laptops don't need that because they have DGPUs with GDDR6 memory.
There are suggestions that many of these laptops tested with LPDDR5-7500 will not get that in the consumer launch. So they were specifically used to boost the marketing performance, so that would mean that speed is a factor; otherwise, why do that (assuming this is correct).
It's certainly a welcome addition to the lineup. I really hope Asus releases the same laptop with a 7840u and USB 4 early next year though.
I think so, as well. As a user, you will have a lot of excellent options to choose from in 2024.
Anything released next year will be 8xxx series; 8840u
Even if they rerelease the zen 2 next year, it will be 8820u
I am waiting for the igpu driver situation and support of new AND old games. Pure horsepower is one thing, using it is another.
Very true!
Basically, unless something changes in firmware and/or drivers, get whichever is cheaper from Meteor Lake or Phoenix. That's honestly a big difference from the absolute masacre that raptor lake has been getting from AMD's efficiency until now. However, I worry that all Meteor Lake laptops will be much more expensive than AMD's...
@@sagnaik U parts are not meant for gaming laptops. No-one wants a 15W CPU with a dedicated graphics card. Intel also has no U part with GPUs. Regarding your second point, that might be true. However, there are the HX parts (Dragon range) so maybe those are reserved for highest end GPUs?
While I do not have any reliable info, do not forget AMD's tendency to be unable to reliably deliver the quantities needed for manufacturers to "bet" on the platform for their high-end notebook designs.
I think this plays a huge role in that we do not see more notebooks with the Chips you mentioned.
I am looking forward to seeing this machine in the test. I own Zenbook 14 with i5 1240p. This is quite impressive machine. Asus gave to users an option allowing to set performance, standard or whisper mode. In performance mode, laptop gets very noisy but machine is doing very well, easily beating scores normally reserved for laptops with i7 1260p/1360p. In standard mode, machine performs as standard i5 laptop with acceptable level of noise. Whisper mode- perfect for web and office tasks makes the laptop almost fanless, but not slow. When I got that laptop, I ran a number of CB R15 tests in loop of 10, and laptop was able to hit over 1600 point in multi core, never going under 1500. That was really impressive for i5. I wonder how this solution will be implemented in new zenbook, having in mind iGPU update. If battery time improves (in whisper mode battery life is very good), it might be time for upgrade....
I really enjoyed my (brief) time with the Zenbook. It's a very snappy system with heaps of performance headroom. I am also pretty curious about battery life, so let's hope we can get a final sample soon.
Is there a full review of the Zenbook coming?
Will those laptops ship with that speed of ram in them? If not, that's going to greatly skew the iGPU results vs what people will actually be receiving when they buy MTL laptops.
Let us see what comes to market within the next few weeks and how different RAM speeds will effect the ARC's chip performance.
@@NotebookcheckReviews Testing that with your current setup should be fairly easy (assuming that you're not barred from doing so) as you can swap out a different kit and see how that scales performance. Would be an interesting experiment anyway as it could give end users an idea on how their unit may perform based on ram speeds.
@@tylermotes RAM is soldered!
I'm unsure how Intel CPU prefer to hit 100c at stock operating speeds as opposed to Ryzens. After repasting Intel CPU temps are almost same whereas ryzen sees a steady drop by 5c at worst. I live ina high ambient temp region.
i wonder if the iGPU is good enough for me to upgrade from 13500H+4060 for video editing/encoding?
This depends on the application you are working with.
I tried this one for one of our videos in Resolve 18 (which is very GPU-dependent), and I could play back our .braw 6k files with no problem. Working in a full edit with colour grades, transitions, and text effects was pretty choppy tho.
So your 4060 will still perform much better, but the ARC is doing very well for an iGPU, and performance might improve with future driver updates.
@@NotebookcheckReviews thank you so much for sharing your experience!!
I just knew today that you guys have YT channel - subbed!
Welcome to the family! :)
First time the equation is not "Best performance= Intel" "Most efficient= AMD"
Absolutely. It also means we do not have to disregard the GPU section completely when testing Intel laptops. I am genuinely excited to see what happens in games!
The Arc iGPU and the crazy RAM speeds are exciting upgrades! I've always been team red specifically for efficient and longer battery but if Intel can get that right plus with their thunderbolt advantage, I may have to switch to blue!
Other channels have tested battery life, and it looks pretty promising. We will have to wait and see how it compares in our testing tho.
Are we going to get this new arc igpu in all i5, i7 , i9 models
A step in the right direction for Intel, but that Zenbook's looking really sweet. Definitely will consider moving to ASUS in my next Windows upgrade from Dell's XPS (unless Dell decides to switch it up soon).
I agree.
And yeah, the Zenbooks are really awesome productivity/entertainment machines.
I was just using the 2023 S13 for a bit, a super sleek, lightweight "every day" notebook.
And for the XPS ... check the channel in early January ;)
@@NotebookcheckReviewsYa checked it out when I was looking to buy in May. Thanks!
Nice but i wish they give a little more details on the integrated ARC GPUs. I get the Xe cores but i don't know if these cores contain shaders or execution units. I mean what is possible on the iGPU chip that will make it runs games, and i mean games in general. Not that i'm only thinking of high end games.
I am sure we will get much more info as soon as more devices are available, and we can do some additional testing.
Why would the single core performance get lower? Wtf?
I would say that because Intel went a different approach this time around.
They tried to balance performance, efficiency, iGPU, and features without trying to exceed in one area.
@@NotebookcheckReviews Multicore performance is expected to suffer a bit when the focus is power efficiency, I get that. Same thing with the 13th gen P series vs H series CPUs.
However I can't believe they moved to a new process node and that yielded worse single core performance. I don't think that has ever happened before.
Ryzen always had better single core performance going from 14nm -> 12nm -> 7nm -> 4nm.
@@NXDL25it's a very complicated question. TSMC nodes are different to Intel nodes so it's possibly Intel 4 is a little less performant in order to get massive efficiency, but also it might have been their own architectural choices to go this way. Thirdly, it could be unfinished drivers and firmware. Smart people such as Ian Cutress and Wendell will let us know more once enough time and more data is available, from amazing testers such as Alex and his team :D
There was no upgrade to the P-core architecture and the clockspeeds are lower. With the examples you list, there were architectural upgrades that happened alongside the node change. Meteor Lake still uses the Raptor Lake P-cores.
they will fix that with next year Arrow Lake
Why is the 7940hs benching so low? Are you limiting wattage?
It always depends on the device it's running in. We chose the HP since its a similar form factor and feature set to the Zenbook. So you will find a faster 7940HS.
It is sad to say that a change of architecture, the insertion of a new type of core, the using of a new intel 4(7nm) process combined with TSCM 5nm just lead to a marginal improvement...
You cannot judge the new chips by their CPU benchmark performance alone. You get marginal CPU improvement, true. But these are still pretty snappy CPUs, and in addition, you get a MUCH faster GPU, the NPU for future AI applications, and increased efficiency. I can imagine it is quite a challenge to balance such a processor, and I think Intel did quite well.
@@NotebookcheckReviews Probably it is necessary more tests, for sure, but you cannot say that because you fell it snappy and there are good paper specs. If you state Synthetic benchmarks (which most of the time are a good indications) are not enough you cannot use the “sensation” to guarantee it is a good product.
As I said, the GPU is using a 5nm TSMC process and is just competitive with the AMD 780m. Good results but nothing to be exited about, we already have such performance in the market. The same in power consumption they just have reach the competitors using a new node, new architecture and new ultra efficiency core. Basically they put all what they have to just reach the level of the current market.
If you cannot judge a chip by the today performance, for sure you cannot do it by looking at future promise, and also in that aspect both AMD and Apple already have AI accelerator in they SoC.
I am not saying it is a bad product, but it is not mind blowing, it is just competitive and represent the current status of Intel: in hurry to catch the competition, very sad.
It is pretty obvious that they concentrate the effort on marketing because you cannot have cpu that just reach the competition already present in the market and see a lot of news reporting it as a revolution.
Of course, I expect that the “review” can be biased, but this time is too much.
@@IcaniCorrono I agree; it does appear that if Apple came out with this, it would get slammed for simply catching up with rivals and lower benchmarking, but Intel and its big marketing budget mean a more friendly YT creator interpretation.
It has caught up, so that is good, but to paint a picture of innovation and game-changing is seemingly marketing rhetoric. The AI is great and, over time, will become useful; the encoders/decoders, a contemporary iGPU and the new low-power base cores are great for standby, so some good stuff, but TBH, they are 1-2 years behind rivals, and this is not all rainbows and unicorns as some of the reviews (previews) maintain.
How will it perform in a handheld and 10-15W? Or 20W?
We will have to wait and see until such devices are available.
We did some additional testing at lower wattages in our early analysis article:
www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Meteor-Lake-Analysis-Core-Ultra-7-155H-only-convinces-with-GPU-performance.783320.0.html#toc-9
@@NotebookcheckReviews thank you for the information you’re the best 🙏🏻
Its step in the right direction but i would say the AMDs Phoenix is still slightly better. and thats without accounting for the expected MUCH HIGHER COST of intel new chip.
AMD Phoenix is many times better because meteor lake is actually WORSE than previous raptor lake.
Intels new meteor lake chips are in early alpha stage at best. There will be a ton of bugs, problems and vulnerabilities discovered as soon as meteor lake becomes widely available. Just look at those poor cpus... theyre basically frankenstein monsters fused together with a mix of crap intel found laying around... this is not how cpu from such a huge technology player should look like BUT something you would expect to come out from some new emerging chinese cpu company.
@damara2268
Then you woke up
For now, both CPUs are on par in terms of performance, while AMD has the edge regarding efficiency.
I did not encounter any bugs during my early hands-on with the Zenbook (I just had it briefly), but it performed quite well and was very snappy.
I'll be sitting pretty with my i7-13700H and RTX 4080 laptop until 2025. Then I'll be looking to upgrade to a Core Ultra 9 with an RTX 5080 or 5090
That sounds like a solid plan! 👌
The BIG changes are coming 2024, RibbonFET, PowerVia, and 2 and 1.8 nanometer.
My ideal PC architecture in 2024 will be one based on Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite. I already use a Windows Dev Kit 2023 with Snapdragon 8cx gen 3, and a great fan of Windows 11 arm, so looking forward to the significantly higher performance Snapdragon X Elite in a Microsoft Surface Pro format factor. It will then be bye bye M1 iPad Pro with magic keyboard, which is crippled by iPoor OS to be an oversized iPhone in a walled garden of mostly mediocre smart apps.
RAM is overclocked, so let's see how the GPU holds up on DDR5-6400
I am trying to get similar machines with slotted RAM to do more testing regarding this topic.
Core Ultra doesn't represent gen 14th. It's another product line.
Fair point, did I say 14th gen?
I will not leave a like until you stop calling laptops puppies.
Ratio
Better get used to it ;)
I don't like those always-running low power cpus they glow
but 34 tops is hot on a chip running in 28W so fuck so conflicted
I am not sure, I know what you are talking about ...
Congratulations, Intel, 8 months late, but now you have a comparable apu to AMDs7000 series apus. Too bad hawk point will decimate your late to market meteorlate apu
Aren't hawk point just zen 4?
I would not really get my hopes up for Hawk-Point ...
Hawk Point is the same lol
Can't wait for this processor tech to end up in Framework's lineup. If my computer ever dies I can upgrade to one of these puppies down the road then without replacing the entire laptop lol
Good video
🙏 thanks for watching!
OLED is a waste of money for monitor use. The burn in rate is way to high and the "fix" oems have for them just makes them die faster.
Did you ever encounter burn in yourself? I never did, and I personally own an OLED laptop ...
All say meteor lake is shity except igpu
I do not agree with "all" ;)
The CPU "upgrade" definitely explains the unhinged Core Truths presentation where they spent so much time rambling about AMD and about "why the latest isn't always the greatest but the latest is the best" and so on.
Yeah well, that is tech marketing in this day and age :D
Wasn't AMD just talking about AI during their Ryzen 8000 presentation?
Why are these Intel laptops using insanely fast memories and yet despite this performance is meh? Something is fishy
Well, only some applications or tests can utilize those very high RAM speeds.
Apparently, the iGPU can benefit from it primarily.
Remember, the test units use non-consumer speed RAM, so the device/apps may not support these one-off RAM modules, which are there to boost reviews but will not be sold. So, I would ignore these early previews and wait for consumer models to be released so you do not get a false impression that these marketing machines give out.
@@andyH_England my thoughts exactly
Intel is back. AMD is going back to the stone age
BS, only in Standby-Situation: there is Intel with less Power Consumption better in real life vs AMD.
a good try but intel is so far behind amd when amd releases zen 5 then intel is again far behind now intel has come close to zen 4
when it comes to AI windows 12 requires 40-50 TOPS to work with AI intel has under 30 AMD has 45-50
it's a pity that amd has no competition
where intel is far ahead is efficiency when it comes to heat so you can also have intel's portable as a heating element you get 2 in 1👍👍
What's impressive about a GPU that barely caught up to the competition? fanboyism towards intel? Another meaningless release which will be paired with RTX on a laptop anyways
Mux switch
it is Ultra impressive for Intel... see what I did there? :D
Ultra to the Core ... I can play that game too 🤣
It's an iGPU. Not a dGPU. You a fanboy of Nvidia too. Get rekt.
If this chip is actually available in entry level laptops at a reasonable price, it will overtake 7840u, which is the chip you can’t find anywhere except in an HP machine. Both AMD and intel suck
Still sorely loses out to an m3max 16c😂 Apple👑..
I just tested the new m3pro 12c against my 13900h Maschine using my numpy Mandelbrot test
And the m3pro got 28s and the 13900h took 55,6s.
(Using multiprocessing and np)
At this point apple finally won in everything. The m3max literally doesn't have a competition other than desktop 13-14900K's.
@@PKperformanceEU too bad that the M3Max costs 2-3 times more than en equivalent windows laptop with a dedicated graphics card
@@danniislifestyle time for you to get a new job
@@ArthropodSpideyeasy to say, hard to do
@@-_--le3zk Just because you have the money doesn't mean you should give Apple $4k
Well they caught up to AMD... 's last gen processors. That makes it DOA because Phoenix laptops are discounted so perf/€ should be much better. Availability and price are the name of the game until Strix Point stomps on Meteor Lake in mid-2024. 2025 could be interesting when Intel hits back with Arrow Lake but until then 🥱
Well, let's see what we can expect from Hawk Point; until then, for most people looking for a laptop today, it does not really matter what might happen in 2025, and as of today, Intel has just launched a very competitive platform.
And as you mentioned, they can ship it with A LOT of devices ....
@@NotebookcheckReviews Yeah DOA was too harsh.
Hawk Point = Phoenix in terms of CPU & GPU so that's not gonna matter. But still MTL didn't bring a meaningful improvement compared to Phoenix that's already widely available while MTL models are just launching totally missing out on holiday shopping.
PS: Strix is mid-2024 so only half a year away.