Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Snubs | Tier List Tuesday
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Today we're looking at some of the biggest artists yet to be inducted into the Hall of Fame and ranking them in a tier list based on degree of snub.
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Gosh, Supertramp is not just snubbed from the Hall of Fame, they are even snubbed from the Hall of Fame snubs!
If the Rock Hall was in Europe : they would be in there 15 years ago. Aside from Breakfast in America: Supertramp was not that big here.
@@LannieLord if the RRHOF was in Europe Joan Jett wouldn’t even be an after thought never mind a member
The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame has really become "the popular music hall of fame." Nice summary. I feel better.
To me the most egregious and longest overdue omissions would be :
1.) King Crimson- try picturing music, not just prog, developing the way it did without Crimson. Good God, at least give Fripp the nod for all of his side/production work (Bowie, Eno, Gabriel, Daryl Hall, Talking Fucking Heads and so on). The Hall of Fame says their biggest criteria is influence but if that’s the case King Crimson would have been in nearly 3 decades ago.
2.) Iron Maiden- More than a handful of legitimately awesome, influential, and classic albums as well as one of the most consistently successful and excellent live bands in the world. Their concerts are spectacles, but what sets Maiden apart is they have the music to back it up. Maiden’s omission goes beyond a disregard of heavy metal, it’s a brutally blissful showing of ignorance on the Hall’s end.. Iron Maiden is a culture defining band all around the globe.
3.) John Coltrane- If this really is becoming the “Popular Music Hall of Fame” how has Coltrane been ignored this long? Then you add the inclusion of Miles Davis. Adding Coltrane to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame doesn’t break the doors down for all of the great jazz artists so much as it tells the most accurate tale and the truth. Miles and Coltrane are, to this day, SUPREMELY INFLUENTIAL TO ROCK MUSIC. Giant Steps alone.
4.) Motörhead- Another example of a culture defining band. I don’t think their catalog is completely on par with Iron Maiden, for example, but they do have a bunch of classic material and were one of the true progenitors of so much heavy music for decades to come. James Hetfield included them in his Hall of Fame speech on a list of bands he considers major snubs, a handful have gotten in (Rush, Alice Cooper, Deep Purple) a couple of them have zero shot (Ted Nugent) but Motörhead and Thin Lizzy are both indescribable influences on heavy music.
5.) Tough choice between The Smiths, Pixies, and Tribe. They kind of all deserve it equally.
Good list... but XTC and GUIDED BY VOICES would make it even better.
Eno is a huge snub. He invented a genre, helped forge another genre in Roxy, produced landmark records from Bowie, Talking Heads, U2, Devo, Laurie Anderson. Made one of the early sampling records with David Byrne that is hugely influential, and even if you don’t like his run of four rock records in the seventies the influence from those four records is everywhere.
Yes… My Life in the Bush of Ghosts is an awesome album. I didn’t hear it until 10 years after it was released, but was immediately taken in by it. At the time it was made, it was way ahead of what was to come.
If I was the Hall of Fame. Blue Öyster Cult and Thin Lizzy would get in next out of all of these!
Add Jethro Tull as well. Sold lots of records, very unique, much music and very influential.
One more thing about Blue Öyster Cult. Jason said that all their hits sounds like different bands. That is sort of the appeal. They have several different song and lyrical writers along with different singers. Their sound isn't as "one note" as many other bands.
@@JohannesYtterstromAND Jason is on record as saying that he tends to love bands with multiple singers and perspectives, so he might like BÖC a good bit. :)
ToM should do a Listography of BOC. Agents of Fortune, Fire of Unknown Origin, Spectres, etc. I think they'd enjoy them.
Smashing Pumpkins not being in is completely ridiculous but Rage Against the Machine is in. They released 3 albums.
If there’s one artist that stands out as clear S tier it’s Thin Lizzy. One of the greatest rock n roll frontmen with Phil Lynott, so many timeless singles with worldwide coverage. Very influential towards metal. And a lengthy n awesome classic discography but also an even better and more important live group where Live And Dangerous is their most critically acclaimed record.
I'm one of those who objects to the entire concept of a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It's antithetical to the spirit of the music, IMHO.
I love Björk, the Pixies, and the Smiths, but Hall Of Fame-wise Thin Lizzy's definitely the biggest snub.
Those debuts by 52s and Devo were earth shattering
I'd argue Devo was the third most important American new wave band after Talking Heads and The Cars.
@@ComeOnIsSuchAJoy :: Devo is way ahead of the B-52s on my own list of influential, important bands. (My god I hated “Love Shack” when it came out and was getting heavy rotation! lol)
Devo is way ahead - technically / artistically . Funny: when me and my friends FIRST discover "punk/ new wave" in 1980 (!) Our Big 6 was Ramones, DEVO, B-52's , Blondie and Elvis Costello & Talking Heads . We kinda looked at them all equally - but- the Ramones were GODS to us back then. @@chadcooper7348
Inxs handful of 80s hits? They sold out wembkey stadium as a solo headliner for a minute biggest band of all time 83-93 sold 7 US platinum album 17 20 ranked singles 10 5 top singles in America including 2 #1 eurythmics are in
When you got Pantera inxs Bad Co & the Guess who as F you need a therapist
I realized Gordon Lightfoot isn’t in the HoF either. Maybe my Midwest bias is showing, but imo that’s a major snub. He was one of the biggest folk artists of the 70s.
Ben E. King * Mary Wells * Diana Ross * Dionne Warwick * The Kingston Trio * Peter, Paul & Mary * Judy Collins * The Spencer Davis Group * Jan & Dean * The Monkees * Jethro Tull * King Crimson * Emerson, Lake & Palmer * Blood, Sweat & Tears * Kool & the Gang * Commodores * Foreigner * Joy Division / New Order * INXS
S Tier - Blue Öyster Cult, Jethro Tull, Brian Eno , Love and Wire. The first 3 should definitely be in
As a Brit I completely disagree with much of this. I guess if you accept that it’s an American hall of fame then fair enough I suppose. but…
The Jam, and Joy Division were huge influences on the whole post punk scene and the forerunners of The Smiths (which I find strange you have in S tier given most the other bands I will mention seem equally ‘influential’, or ‘significant’ and you have them in d or f).
The Specials were one of the few racially diverse bands to become big and popularise a whole new type of music (ska). They also had probably the best single of the 80s ‘Ghost Town’. We actually studied the cultural significance of this track at school that’s how big it was. I guess it’s a UK thing?
The Stone Roses were the catalyst for the Madchester/Acid House scene of early nineties that then spawned the whole of Brit Rock/Pop through the rest of the 90s, Here Oasis and Blur were huge. This whole scene dominated the charts for near a decade in the UK, in a way that transcended music culturally. This whole movement was much much bigger than grunge (for example), only Nirvarna really cracked the UK to the extent of non music lovers being aware, the likes of Pixies, Soundgarden, Alice in chains, Pear Jam etc etc. were very much more underground.
I agree with much of your post. I think the guys are far too dismissive of Post-Punk era bands in general.
Also, completely agree with you regarding the Stone Roses.
Joy Divsion/New order huge Snub I’m American 💯
I don’t get the whole American thing. It’s called the rock and roll hall of fame. Shouldn’t matter the country it should matter rock and roll. I think it’s fair for artists of other known genres if they are known for a dabbling in rock.
Johnny Cash, Dolly Parton, and Willie Nelson are the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but there aren't a ton of country artists. I feel like the bigger snub is Gram Parsons not being in the Country Music Hall of Fame, which feels like an intentional snub.
They never liked him. - Joe
IRON MAIDEN - the biggest snub of all time. Absolutely iconic, legendary band. GOAT status.
I didn't like most Heavy Metal (pre-heavey in the 60s was good) but for a song here or there but these are my favorite songs but I don't go deep into metal: Smoke on the Water, Ace of Spades, Round and Round by Rat, Paranoid, Iron Man, Crazy Train, Transmaniacon MC by BOC is my fav, Enter Sandman, The Small Faces “You Need Loving” employs heavy metal singing by Steve Marriott.
I think iron maiden are a little too cheesy for the hall of fame 🤷♂️
@3gl Its got move to do with the hipster snobs that vote not getting or understanding heavy metal and why it was popular. Might also have to do with them hating the kind of people who liked it. Go watch Judas Priest Heavy Metal Parking Lot .Yeah I dont think the HOF voters really connect with those people lol. Granted its a 80 metal stereotype that doent really apply today but the voters might not know that since they are out of touch with anything outside their hipster bubble.
@@Leo-qe3gl and Mariah Carry isnt??? 😂😂😂
Los Lobos should be in.
Iron Maiden is the biggest snub of all time. The have been eligible for TWENTY YEARS!!! I genuinely don’t get the hold up?
It's because Maiden doesn't have any songs that are legit radio hits in America.
@@AbbeyRoadkill1who cares about radio hits they have like 6 of the best metal albums ever
@r2vw5qz9v Because thats just a opinion. Hits are facts not opinions. Facts cant de disputed.
You are allowed to Vote 🗳 for 7 of 15 nominees. If these 7 were nominated I would Vote for them .. Joy Division ➗️/ New Order ( The Hall has allowed them to be a joint vote) , B-52's , Devo , Siouxsie & The Banshees , The Pixies , Love & Oasis. If Siouxsie gets in , Robert Smith gets another induction. As Joy Division , Love Will Tear Us Apart is one of the more influential songs ever & as New Order Blue Monday is the best selling 12" single of all time. Be great if B-52's & Devo went in simultaneously & Devo be a fun night of performances & Devo are local. Chic would be by wildcard pick ..Great R&B band .
I liked the list, especially your top tier, and I love the tier lists in general. But I don't understand why "never going to get in" is a knock against an artist in this one. Wouldn't someone who really deserves to get in but never will be the essence of snub?
Not if they don’t deserve it
Of course it would be nice to see artists like Pixies, Sonic Youth and The Smiths get in if we're giving the Hall any legitimacy here but IDK if they've sold enough Happy Meals over the course of their careers to qualify. And Jason makes an excellent point about Ozzy. Almost all of his post-Sabbath success is due to Sharon's business acumen and the writers and musicians that worked with him. He has a great stage presence but creatively speaking, all the work was done for him by the unsung.
Just ask Bruce Dickinson ,he said if there was no THIN LIZZY there would be no Maiden .
I think there's too many bands in the hall of fame as it is, I kinda think they need to limit additions to every three years and lower the amount of additions that can be made . It'll make additions more momentus, and would prevent C tier acts from the 70s and 80s from getting in
Here is a list of the top 250 (of 1008 acts) Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs using the most expansive definition of what is Rock & Roll, like the Nominating Committee does.
To put this list together I took chart success, Number of Gold, Platinum, and Diamond Album & Singles, Album Sales, Covers, Samples, and Remixes to determine each artist's Hall of Fame Score.
For those acts you do not believe are Rock & Roll, eliminate them from the list to get your top snubs using your definition. (Note these numbers are not always static, particularly if an artist releases new content or their songs are covered, sampled or remixed.)
So without further ado...
1. Frank Sinatra 649.74
2. Lil Wayne 558.90
3. Mariah Carey 370.71
4. Perry Como 344.63
5. Barbara Streisand 324.17
6. George Strait 305.70
7. R Kelly 302.46
8. Tommy Dorsey 288.47
9. Tim McGraw 268.08
10. Garth Brooks 251.85
11. Usher 247.55
12. Andy Williams 244.92
13. Kenny Chesney 242.10
14. Celine Dion 240.48
15. Kenny Rogers (Solo) 235.78
16. Snoop Dogg 230.18
17. Eddy Arnold 227.95
18. Diana Ross (Solo) 220.74
19. Phil Collins (Solo) 216.71
20. Daddy Yankee 212.66
21. George Jones 210.03
22. Keith Urban 207.28
23. Reba McEntire 206.16
24. Dionne Warwick 205.08
25. Barry Manilow 200.12
26. Britney Spears 200.11
27. Mary J Blige 199.18
28. Olivia Newton-John 196.86
29. Connie Francis 196.72
30. The Carpenters 195.49
31. Shakira 189.94
32. Glen Campbell 188.93
33. Bryan Adams & his backing band (the Dudes of Leisure)
34. Dean Martin 184.78
35. Cher (Solo) 183.99
36. Alan Jackson 183.13
37. Tony Bennett 179.80
38. Tom Jones 179.17
39. Ricky Martin (Solo) 173.79
40. Johnny Mathis 172.53
41. Conway Twitty 170.98
42. Ella Fitzgerald 170.97
43. Coldplay 169.81
44. Herb Alpert & the Tijuana Brass 168.18
45. Toby Keith 167.80
46. Luther Vandross 166.11
47. John Denver 165.97
48. Marty Robbins 164.63
49. Gloria Estefan & her backing band the Miami Sound Machine 163.07
50. 50 Cent 161.84
51. Kool & the Gang 158.10
52. Kylie Minogue 157.82
53. Merle Haggard 156.63
54. Jennifer Lopez 153.93
55. Paul Anka 151.86
56. Patti Page 149.86
57. Christina Aguilera 149.68
58. Backstreet Boys 149.59
59. Shania Twain 149.03
60. Doris Day 148.03
61. Akon 146.23
62. P Diddy/Puff Daddy/Sean "Puffy" Combs 145.05
63. Brooks & Dunn 144.08
64. Hank Williams Jr 142.08
65. Quincy Jones (as a performer) 141.91
66. Waylon Jennings 141.31
67. Anne Murray 141.22
68. Paul McCartney & Wings 139.67
69. Sting (Solo) 139.55
70. John Meyer 139.35
71. Brad Paisley 138.78
72. Buck Owens 138.53
73. Michael Bolton 136.29
74. Kenny G 133.67
75. Pet Shop Boys 133.43
76. Faith Hill 130.53
77. Black Eyed Peas 129.58
78. Ozzy Osbourne (Solo) 126.65
79. Boyz II Men 126.64
80. Petula Clark 126.36
81. Foreigner 124.32
82. Michael W. Smith 124.24
83. Peggy Lee 124.22
84. Destiny's Child 122.58
85. Nas 122.04
86. Busta Rhymes 120.87
87. Nickelback 120.73
88. Barry White 120.38
89. Ray Price 120.21
90. Dr Dre (Solo) 117.76
91. Wham! 116.86
92. INXS 116.70
93. The Commodores 114.02
94. Natalie Cole 113.65
95. Cyndi Lauper 113.54
96. Charley Pride 112.98
97. Ronnie Milsap 112.71
98. Neil Sedaka 112.32
99. Sia 111.96
100. Brook Benton 110.79
101. Martina McBride 107.65
102. Marc Anthony 106.71
103. Engelbert Humperdinck 106.08
104. 5th Dimension 104.83
105. Dave Matthews Band 104.56
106. The Pointer Sisters 104.53
107. Roberta Flack 104.16
108. Train 103.25
109. Outkast 103.15
110. Huey Lewis & the News 102.99
111. The Monkees 102.98
112. Toni Braxton 102.91
113. Amy Grant 102.89
114. Richard Marx 102.07
115. BJ Thomas 101.45
116. The Chicks/Dixie Chicks 101.26
117. Alabama 100.96
118. Selena 100.95
119. Blink-182 99.39
120. The Newsboys 99.34
121. Vince Gill 98.90
122. Ja Rule 97.11
123. Tanya Tucker 96.75
124. Jerry Butler (Solo) 96.60
125. Smashing Pumpkins 95.80
126. LeAnn Rimes 95.76
127. REO Speedwagon 95.29
128. TLC 94.78
129. The Stylistics 94.51
130. Robbie Williams 94.16
131. Babyface 93.88
132. Bobby Brown (Solo) 93.09
133. Iron Maiden 92.95
134. Petra 92.61
135. N'Sync 92.59
136. The Statler Brothers 92.05
137. George Benson 91.67
138. Goo Goo Dolls 90.91
139. Korn 90.84
140. Crystal Gayle 90.76
141. Motley Crue 90.53
142. Lil' Kim 90.49
143. Bette Midler 90.34
144. Randy Travis 90.25
145. Ray Stevens 89.68
146. Oasis 89.64
147. Styx 89.37
148. Loretta Lynn 88.25
149. Three Dog Night 86.84
150. Muse 86.75
151. UB40 86.02
152. Herman's Hermits 85.85
153. Culture Club 85.81
154. Chubby Checker 85.56
155. Tammy Wynette 85.19
156. Weezer 85.05
157. Kenny Loggins (Solo) 84.81
158. Aaliyah 84.74
159. Sarah McLachlan 83.60
160. Roxette 83.41
161. Helen Reddy 83.27
162. Faith Evans 83.26
163. Keith Sweat 82.69
164. Billy Idol 82.35
165. Robert Plant (Solo) 81.85
166. Jimmy Buffett 80.95
167. Don Henley (Solo) 80.91
168. Simply Red 80.60
169. Eddie Rabbitt 80.56
170. Sheena Easton 80.41
171. Brandy 80.32
171. Tears For Fears 80.32
173. Bobby Vee 80.30
174. New Kids on the Block 80.29
175. Erasure 80.14
176. Julio Iglesias 79.83
177. Alanis Morissette 79.59
178. The Offspring 79.58
179. The Oak Ridge Boys 78.83
180. Tony Orlando and Dawn 78.64
181. America 78.13
182. En Vogue 78.12
183. Cliff Richard & the Shadows 77.97
184. Lenny Kravitz 77.83
185. Bananarama 77.81
186. Emmylou Harris 77.71
187. KC and the Sunshine Band 77.44
188. Count Basie 77.38
189. Status Quo 77.19
190. Bread 76.43
191. New Order 76.06
192. Tennessee Ernie Ford 75.96
193. Trisha Yearwood 75.73
194. Clint Black 75.63
195. Air Supply 75.13
196. Salt-N-Pepa 74.76
197. No Doubt 74.58
198. Eve 74.56
199. Matchbox 20 74.16
200. Alice in Chains 74.08
201. New Edition 73.82
202. Travis Tritt 73.80
203. Robert Palmer (Solo) 73.57
204. Meat Loaf 73.52
205. Spice Girls 73.45
206. Sade 72.92
207. Mannheim Steamroller 72.76
208. Billy Ocean 72.65
209. Slade 72.24
210. Barbara Mandrell 72.12
211. Dan Fogelberg 72.09
212. Roger Miller 72.05
213. Paula Abdul 71.91
214. Nancy Sinatra 71.82
215. The Lettermen 71.56
216. War 71.47
217. Donny Osmond (Solo) 70.39
218. Point of Grace 70.23
219. Steve Winwood (Solo) 70.19
220. Peter, Paul & Mary 70.18
221. Johnny Rivers 70.15
222. Kid Rock 69.89
223. Charlie Rich 69.51
224. Daft Punk 69.49
225. Kirk Franklin 69.08
226. Beck 68.69
227. Taylor Dayne 68.22
228. Lonestar 68.13
229. Peabo Bryson 67.71
230. Enya 67.54
231. Ben E. King (Solo) 67.02
232. Will Smith (Solo) 66.89
233. Wyclef Jean 66.77
234. John Michael Montgomery 65.80
235. Ice Cube (Solo) 65.62
236. Shaggy 65.44
237. Patti LaBelle 65.32
238. Toto 65.27
239. The Chi-Lites 65.18
240. Rick Astley 65.14
241. Bad Company 65.09
242. Steve Lawrence 65.00
243. Mary Wells 64.33
244. Jewel 64.28
245. Counting Crows 64.11
246. Creed 63.86
247. MC Hammer 63.80
247. Vanessa Williams 63.80
247. Joe Cocker 63.80
250. Mickey Gilley 63.75
The Monkees? the biggest snub..will be until they are in. They're are more famous than every one on that list.
Some others not included:
-Phil Collins
-Toto
-Boston
-Styx
-Huey Lewis and the News
-Robert Palmer
-Supetramp
INXS should get in. When you have some of their contemporaries like Depeche Mode and especially The Cure, who arguably were not as *famous* as INXS in terms of massive hits, they definitely should and likely will go in.
The same can be said of Tears for Fears actually.
Faith No More, if Rage Against the Machine and the likes of System of a Down get in, they should and likely will get in at that point.
It's kind of surprising that INXS isn't in already. They were pretty darn big in America.
@@AbbeyRoadkill1 agreed. There even is a campaign on RUclips here to get them in. Janet Jackson had 1 a few years ago, which led to her getting in. So INXS I think will get in at some point.
Another good criterion for comparison is... who is currently in vs. who is not. Based on THAT... if the freaking Go-Gos (WTF?) and Joan Jett are in (based on Rock Hall "checklists") ... then the Banshees should be closer to A tier. Other than that... Joy Division is FAR too influential to be that far down and the Pixies are not S tier. Also... hits shouldn't really matter because sometimes it takes decades for the world to catch up... if hits mattered then Huey Lewis, Capt and Tenille and Smashmouth would be almost B tier 😂. Did the artist move the art form forward and is their influence felt decades later? That is a good criteria... I feel. Great channel, guys.
If they're going to call it the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, they should only allow Rock & Roll. Rename it if you're going to let in all these other musical genres before rock and roll artists.
I have the same stock line I use for discussions involving both the R&RHOF and the Oscars: "Whenever I feel like complaining about the [R&RHOF/Oscars] ... I just look at the Grammys." As simply a list of artists, I mean, I want to do the cool thing and say the R&RHOF "sucks," but honestly, the list of R&RHOF inductees strikes me as ... a pretty good one! In other words, I'd recommend it as a starting point to someone younger than me who wanted to explore late 20th century popular culture, as I would a list of Oscar Best Picture nominees. The list of Grammy Album of the Year nominees (not winners, mind you, but nominees) strikes me as the most haphazard, incomplete list ever conceived, and I wouldn't recommend it as a starting point to anyone other than maybe Clive Davis's nephew. I think people like to complain more about the R&RHOF because it feels like the people behind it might actually be listening to you, whereas it's hard to complain about the Grammys because the nominees are so inscrutably random.
Anyway, after enjoying Joe Kwaczala's guest appearance on your Smiths discography way back, I ended up binge-listening to his podcast and, well, his idea of "biggest snubs" seems to be quite different (and a bit more ... uh ... informed?) than your guys', but no matter. Apparently it's all about the thought process of the members of the nominating committee and the larger pool of voters (these are actually two separate things, I learned). I suspect Joe would call Mariah Carey, Cher, Barry White, War, Bad Company, Devo, and Joy Division/New Order much worse snubs than STP, Jethro Tull, Weezer, XTC, or Sparks, but what does he know? Personally, I say "Justice for Supertramp."
Yeah, if you let in Bad Company then they'll be discussions about BTO. I would go S Tier with The B-52's.
Devo, Love, Eric B and Rakim, Harry Nilsson, , Jethro Tull, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Smiths, New York Dolls, War and Iron Maiden.
Jane’s Addiction was a huge shift in music. I remember first hearing “Pigs in Zen”… it gave me the same feeling Ride the Lightning and Killers did when I first discovered Metallica and Maiden. There was a real intensity and raw energy to the music. Jane’s Addiction was like a big FU to MTVs constant rotation of hair band “metal”.
They should, and I think will, get in at some point.
Husker Du isn’t a favorite of mine, but they were the original garage band/alt rock band coming out of the punk years. They probably won’t ever get in, but they should.
Joy Division should also get in... but, I think their chances are 50/50. Their two albums are iconic in post-punk. And, they became New Order. Not many examples of that type of transition in music.
I like watching these tier episodes, but it seemed like you were having a difficult time of sticking to any criteria: you judged by if someone “should” be in the Hall, but alternated between that and “if they would” be in the Hall, with sprinklings of “too British” (which is not a criteria for rock and roll quality) - a lot of haziness there. But - with you - I think the Hall of Fame is basically a trash fire anyway. And Procol Harum was fantastic and - since you discussed influence as one of the deciding qualities - they are widely acknowledged as being one of the main origins of prog rock which - I know - the Hall is stupidly leery of, but then there’s that wavering between “should” and “if they would.” Still… entertaining to watch. Thanks guys…
They were all over the place. It should have been they are not and they should be. End of story
Maybe one year they'll bring in Warren Zevon. Please put the Excitable Boy in the Hall.
Wasn’t Warren Zevon just inducted in the past couple years?
The rock n roll hall of fame is a US institution. I think a lot of non US groups will always struggle to get in because their influence in the USA is not as great as they are to other countries. As a New Zealander we have traditionally been influenced as much if not more by the UK artists rather than the US ones, certainly in rock music. So you look at Jethro Tull, Souxie and Joy division and you say "Yeah dead set should be in." Other countries would have their own diverse takes.
You guys have a different filter and we have to accept that. It depends on whether the Hall of Fame sees itself as the world authority on all things Rock n Roll (nb : the US take on the "world series" ) or really is it just for the USA. I tend to think the latter but how would I know? I'm a New Zealander.
Wow what a feeling it is to find a fellow New Zealander
For the longest time, the one major factor for getting into to the RNRHOF has essentially been the approval of Rolling Stone magazine and hall founder Jann Wenner. If you kissed his ass, you got in. Then he got kicked off the board.
For those people whining about non "rock" artists getting into the hall, I urge you to go back and look at the inductions since Year One. Tons of R&B acts and pop acts.
I also urge people to become familiar with who has been inducted in any category. So many times people complain about so-and-so not getting in when they were inducted years ago.
The Jam is an easy S teir for me, but I understand why a British band that didn't have a ton of success in America would get left out.
& Weller solo has barely made a dent in the USA.
@@davidellis5141 Neither has Graham Parker, but that is wrong too. Graham is a S for me and Weller a C.
Without The Jam... there's probably no Green Day.
@@oppothumbs1Squeezing Out Sparks was a big hit in the USA 🇺🇸
@@davidellis5141 Yes - I didn't know, just thought it was big for Graham - with the great Discovering Japan and Nobody Hurts You. But he didn't follow it up well enough though did many good songs later but you don't recover from Mercury poisoning .
Randy Rhoads is in the HOF. he was put in for Musical Excellence in 2021.
Chic unlikely will get in per they put Nile in for Musical Excellence a few years ago after Chic was nominated like 5 times, lol.
Good job on rating the Pixies so high and The Guess Who so low. I'm a Winnipegger, but The Guess Who suck.
No Time. Laughin. These Eyes. Undun. Albert Flasher. ?? These are great songs. Throw out the rest though: American Woman, No Sugar Tonight. They thought they needed to rock out (badly). Sure the Pixies were great for a couple of albums.
The only true snubs are King Crimson and Jethro Tull. After that, I would put more energy into getting acts removed rather than getting anyone else in.
😂
Thin Lizzy,
Todd Rundgren,
Jeff Beck
STRYPER
Switch foot,
Headeast
Audioslave,
Jan Hammer
Jeff Healy
Todd got in a few years ago.
Uriah Heep 55 years & still playing. Ted Nugent, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, Dream Theater, Super Tramp, Metal..Progressive...bands...instrumental...King Crimson. Petra, ...RRHOF snubs any group orvartist they don't like. They won't put in any Contempoary Christian artists in either though many are really good.
Great job with the S tier. I'd add Little Feat, J.Geils Band and ELP to the list
Maybe there needs to be a Pop Rock/Top 40 Hall of Fame for those of us who listened to AM Radio back in the day. Seems like there are certain artists the "music elites" just completely discount, but had scores of fans who listened and purchased their music...and we still do!
I realize you can't always get them all but it would be interesting to see where Sweet or Robert Plant (solo and partnerships) would have ranked on your tier. Thanks for the vid
Oh Thanks for a nod to The Replacements with C (Joe) and B (from Jason).
Brian Eno is in with Roxy Music. Yes, he can be inducted a second time as a solo artist, or as a producer in the non-performers category.
I have a long list of people who should be in, starting with Arthur Alexander. But, in the long run, I'm with Thomas Jefferson Slave Apartments :"Bombs away on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Even if I got indicted I'd probably feel the same
I don't wanna see Eric Clapton's stuffed baby
I don't want to see the shotgun of Kurt Cobain
Bombs away, bombs away
Cleveland's cool, Cleveland's cool
I don't want to see the liver of David Crosby
I don't want to see all the drugs I couldn't take
I don't want to see the collector scum pay"
Love me some Arthur Alexander,,,
@@charlesandbettesson7229 Shining a spotlight on the ignored influences in rock is the only thing the RRHOF is good for. It's good for their families and for anyone who actually cares where the music came from.
Smashing Pumpkins, Tull, AIC and Smiths are easily the biggest snubs not in. All highly influential, great albums, great aura etc. I think STP was good and they should get in as well. Oasis only has 1 great album (first one) so that isn't enough. To be honest though I think a bands cred goes up somewhat not being in because it doesn't seem to be based on the quality of the music.
i guess my hall of fame , would be huge as i have 16 bands i would put in,
alice in chains, bad company, blue oyster cult, janes addiction, procol harum, stepenwolf, stp, stone roses, ozzy, inxs, j tull, smashing pumpkins, soundgarden, iron maiden, white stripes, king crimson, thats it lol
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70s was the king of pure rock & top music that’s why so many are deserving don’t want bad company then put in Paul rodgers for music excellence
Ten Years After and J Giels are definitely worthy
agreed
J. Geils may get in for their early blues Americana rock sound, but for their “hit(s)”? I’m not so sure. I don’t think they sold that many records. Also, I hate Centerfold. :P
Soundgarden is S tier.
They’re the best band to come from that 90s MTV grunge pack…which means they are C-tier at best.
@@echosmyron1278nope. Soundgarden is S tier. They reached that level with Superunknown.
A imo
Great video! I enjoyed watching! I'd love to see Alice in Chains get in someday. I like Soundgarden a good bit but don't feel like their songwriting is as good as Alice in Chains. I'd love to see Smashing Pumpkins get in as well someday as I love Bullet w/ Butterfly Wings.
Right. Songwriting of Soundgarden is not so good but I could say the same of much of Smashing Pumpkins. SG best song is Fell On Black Days, the best song ever on depression. Alice could write better tunes.
Whomsoever I've cured, I've sickened now
And whomsoever I've cradled, I've put you down
I'm a search light soul they say
But I can't see it in the night
I'm only faking when I get it right
When I get it right
And then..
So don't you lock up something
That you wanted to see fly
Hands are for shaking
No, not tying, no, not tying
@oppothumbs1 Yeah. I don't think SoundGarden had as many hits and good songs as Alice in Chains. I like a good bit of Smashing Pumpkins songs though like Bullett with Butterfly Wings and 1979 among others. I also like Today and Cherub Rock and Rhinoncerous.
@@michael7054 I like 1979 and Perfect the most.
@oppothumbs1 Yeah those are similar sounding songs.
@@michael7054 I do like distortion and louder sounds from some bands, but not from SP. I like Billy's vocals softer though it's the whole band I am not so into.
What tier would you put the Jazz snubs like John Coltrane,Duke Ellington,Herbie Hancock,Wayne Shorter and Charlie Parker?
Whatever tier we put Coltrane in. But slightly less. - Joe
The Monkees not being in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is the biggest disgrace of all time.
Never nominated and snubbed by Tastes Like Music. Why??
People say they monkey around, so we couldn’t risk it.
There are definitely artists in there based on influence alone. Ramones, Velvet Underground, Sex Pistols etc. And the Sex Pistols only have one album!
The Guess Who are sadly underrated -- I think Burton Cummings has one of the best voices in rock history.
I’m with ya. -Jason
They mean absolutely nothing outside North America, though. I think they spent one week in the very lower reaches of the UK singles chart, and that was it for their entire discography.
I know the HoF is situated in the US but isn't it supposed to represent the whole world of rock n roll, not just bands who were reasonably popular (or influential or whatever) in just one territory?
@@peterfitton4529Not a whole lot of multi-territory action going for Jane's Addiction or the Dave Matthews Band from this year's set of nominees.
As amply demonstrated in the latest full-show Midnight Special video. The band doesn't belong in the F category, despite Joe's peer pressure, and even if there's little chance they'll ever be inducted. Just my (Canadian) boomer opinion. @@TastesLikeMusic
Not much thought was given to The Commodores. They can have a hard time getting in because of all the Motown acts over the years. With that said. A great band that mixes funk, soul, rock and pop. Lionel Richies later fame puts a shadow on their music but definitely a catalog worth checking out. Especially in the 1970's.
Also. Barry White has the coolest voice. Maybe ever? If he was alive.. It would been very cool to see him getting his award !
Agreed. They were probably the most important R&B/funk group from the '70s after Parliament/Funkadelic and Earth, Wind & Fire.
One of the huge problems with the R&RHOF is that it’s so incredibly U.S. centric. If any otherwise incredibly successful act doesn’t gain ‘success’ stateside, they’re overlooked. Manic Street Preachers should absolutely be in, for instance. Status Quo should be in.
I get your point, but the US does kind of set the bar for musical success. There’s a reason young bands come here and try to break through. Putting the Manics in would be like putting the DC United in your football HoF.
Agree. Manics should be there one day.
US should not rule but on the other hand, imo, world music sucks. Mexican (only Los Lobos, Richie Valens (Oh Donna), 96 Tears), Japan, Chinese (some of my best friends are from Hong Kong), Iceland (Bjork is the worst), most of African countries (some of my best friends though) though Divido is good because he's been influenced by the great USA. Germany - Music is so Cold which is their way of keeping the 1940s alive - sick, right? Russian is not all bad.
‘Set the bar’? The U.S.A. may have given the world Elvis, Chuck Berry and Buddy Holly, but the U.K. - more specifically, England - gave the globe The Beatles; Stones; Zeppelin; Pink Floyd; Elton John and Queen. Come on! Beach Boys aside, what 60’s groups, stateside, set the U.K. alight? Velvet Underground? They’re terrific, but about 50 people bought the their debut upon release!
And, ‘TasteLikeMusic’ ( is this Joe or Jason, messaging? 😂), ‘DC United’? They barely qualify as a ‘professional team’ The Manic Street Preachers are highly acclaimed. The Holy Bible is a 90’s, alt-rock classic. When’s the ‘ranking’ coming? 😉
Randy Rhodes and Nile Rodgers are both already in, in a subcategory called Musical Excellence.. and Brian Eno is in with Roxy Music.
Donna Summer, Madonna, Gloria Gaynor and Abba are in THE ROCK'N ROLL HALL OF FAME....Joy Division, Warren Zevon , Iron Maiden, The Smiths, New York Dolls, Joe Jackson, Manic Street Preachers, Blur, Oasis, Suede are not...think about it.....I will forever respect Sex Pistols for refusing to be inducted into this shit shower
Yes, they put in producers (regarding your Eno question). Eno is already in with Roxy Music. But he should go in again for production and his solo and ambient work has been very influential. You guys are wrong on INXS.
He shouldn’t be in for Roxy since they got so much better after he left. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic Hey Joe! I agree so much on that.
They were both better off without each other.
counting crows, at the very least, deserve a mention. should undoubtedly be in the hall fame if we’re being honest, along with tons of others on this list like the pixies.
They definitely definitely should not be. Unless you ask Jason. - Joe
I don’t know man august rts and this desert life is as good of a three peat as any imo. maybe I should’ve brought up wilco instead though? lmao I know they’re your favorite joe. maybe the easier choice for induction though is my morning jacket - can’t see a reason to disagree there
It 100% should be a Rock exclusive hall, every other genre already has their own HOF why take it away from Rock music?
These lists are always subjective and no one will ever agree. This list is more to my tastes than the Apple one. I like seeing the likes of silver Jews, songs ohia, Elliott smith and mountain goats featured alongside the classics as these are personal favourites. There is a lot here I don’t like here too and disappointed that never mind is the only grunge album
While I disagree with your Bad Company take you did make a good point. Even though Bad Company obviously had a bunch of success in the 70s the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame tends to knock these 70s AOR bands that didn't carry that success into the 80s. Boston, Styx, and REO Speedwagon just to name a few other. On the flipside bands that did transition into the 80s well like Journey, Chicago, Yes and Foreigner (possibly) get the nod.
So it seems the HoF is a glorified popularity contest, with a specific type of artists they gravitate towards.
Randy Rhoades was inducted in 2021
I've said popular music hall of Fame since the early 2000's
Sonic Youth, Jane’s Addiction, Tull, and Jan and Dean!
Cher did not WRITE music . Why would they want her ? But I love her deep cuts as well's some of her hits all through the 1960s and 1970s !
mary j blige. cher. mariah carey. how the hell is it even called "the rock and roll hall of fame". if i was rich, id build my own competing hall of fame
Harry Nilsson should be in. Matter of fact he should be in for songwriting, let alone songwriting and performing. It’s a crime he’s not.
Styx, Ted Nugent, 38 special, 3 dog night,
I feel like the way to identify a real snub is how many acts already in the hall would you remove in favor of this new one….
Now there's a good idea for you guys. You start a TLM RRHOF, you start like the 'real' one did inducting with a class of 1986. They inducted more in the beginning to catch up and you could do the same. Your rules as to what earns induction (influence, etc) or exclusion,,,,, not sure you two could agree for very long,,,, separate halls ? Unanimous support for an induction ? Backroom deals to get your 'pet projects' in ? Food for thought,,,
RRHOS (shame) ?
Pavement is the precursor for most alternative/indie music that’s come out since 2000, extremely influential
So definitely F. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic give them another listen?
Pavement is the best band of the 90s. 😌
If all you have to offer is influence and artistic merit with no sales or hits you should have to wait a while to get in. Just sayin.
@@Chaz4543 good point. My comment wasn’t about the merit of their deserving of HoF status, but when Pavement was brought up in the discussion it seemed like they were being seen as less influential. I’m not even a big Pavement fan but they clearly were a big influence.
It’s hard to imagine two guys with more boring taste
Lemme guess, you love post punk. - Joe
Surely the fact that several '60s, '70s, and '80s artists are still getting nominated is a testament to how deep the benches were for each of those decades? And maybe also how pathetic the '90s were?
Hell it took the Moody Blues, one of the key pioneers of a subgenre, nearly 30 years to get in.
Maybe Bad Company wasn't that influential (even though I think they should be in). The band Free, kind of their precursor was hugely influential and should most definitely be in.
Bad Company wasnt a influence on 80s hair metal ? I think they were.
Boston's first 3 albums should be enough to get them in.
I agree!!!
They didnt have the critical acclaim which is why they arent in. Even on Wikipedia that first album that had tons of hits and sold a ton only has 3 reviews listed. Seems like the critics just ignored them back then because they werent cool and hip and were popular. I could be wrong but I doubt it.
Why so much hate for Bad Company? Legendary band with a legendary frontman in Paul Rodgers! They are an S in my book!
No Chance In Hell: INXS , Wire, De La Soul, Blur, War, LaBelle, Sleater Kinny , Megadeath. (Gorillaz will get in before BLUR) .
No Johnny Winter?
Definitely in HOF of guitarists!
Flock of Seagulls! DuranDuran!
Joy Division only influential to hipster/critical darling bands? huge influence on post-punk in turn resulting in a huge influence on alternative. Not to mention gothic rock, new wave, synthpop, industrial, etc. Definitely wouldn't have a lot of popular bands like U2, Cure, Depeche Mode, Tears for Fears and you can also keep drawing the line across generations to stuff like The Killers, Nine Inch Nails, Radiohead. Combining them with New Order is cheating but that would make an absolute slam dunk
I remember some distaste for their music on the channel before (totally fair) but such pride in your ignorance is not a good look
Radiohead, and Thom Yorke, solo, have covered JD; they are a huge influence.
They were so bad that they get zero points for influencing anyone. All those bands would exist and probably be a lot better without Joy Division. - Joe
I love the Guess Who , but I'm gonna say SLIM CHANCE .
Names not discussed but which I would consider worthy are Captain Beefheart and My Bloody Valentine. They are both unique, great musical output, influenced other music and have two of the best albums of all time Trout Mask Replica (1969) and Loveless (1991). It's two bands that change your perception of music, which is a good sign of greatness. The quality of the music beats the marketability in the long run.
I think your Tier List episodes would be far more interesting if you each completed your Tier List Ranking separately before hand. Then on the actual episode you could go through the items being ranked (as you are doing currently), but then show where that item ended up on each of your separate Tier Lists. Your discussion could then be why you rated them as you did on your individual Tier List. Too many times when a Tier List is done by multiple people, one person will feel an item should be ranked S or A, while the other one thinks D or F... and that item ends up with something like a C rank as a compromise. I say do your rankings as you truly believe, then justify your ranking if it greatly differs from the other person.
It will happen sooner than later: Pixies, Eno, Love, Devo, MC5, Husker DU, Television , The Specials, The Jam, Buzzcocks.
Rock 'n Roll in a museum? No.
XTC is an "A" tier band. I'd give them Hall Of Fame thumbs up. Yes, to John Coltrane. Yes to Smiths. Eno as producer makes sense. Yes to Pixies & yes to The Replacements. Yes to King Crimson.
I love all these bands but guess what none of them will ever get into the RRHOF
If acts were picked on account of creativity then Sparks would be a no brainer...20-odd albums and 50 years on and they're still pushing the envelope..
I would guess WAR gets in the Rock ‘n’ Roll Hall Of Fame. They were at the forefront of introducing Hispanic elements into rock adjacent music. So I think they ultimately sneak in.
From Seattle, and I can tell you in the ‘90s music scene - musicians especially - EVERYONE respected and loved Joy Division (not so much New Order)
Must have all been deaf from too much loud music. - Joe
Dinosaur JR?!?!?
Of course.
Come on, devo has feelings too. Seriously, though, one of the few bands in the early 80's that actually had something to say.
80s are absolutely brimming with incredible artists and albums. That’s such a ridiculous statement. Costello, Prince, Maiden, Priest, Sabbath, Police, Talking Heads, even bands I hate like Joy Division. - Joe
I have lost interest in this institution completely.
They could at least rename it to Popular Music Hall of Fame
Just don't tarnish the term Rock and Roll
Suede -- (London Suede) major snub ! King Crimson and the Smiths overlooked ?
The first year it was great . Then it slowly got just stupid . Rock'n'Roll began to change after Buddy Holly died . Is there a HipHop hall of fame -lets put Celine Dion in there and why not add the 3 stooges and Capt. Crunch ?
STP being that high is a bit ridiculous. I’m not sure, outside of sales, what the justification would be for them. When I think of great 90s band, or even influential ones, they don’t even cross my mind as a possibility.
Maybe you’re the problem, not them? - Joe
I’m clearly a problem. But that has nothing to do with STP
Compared to AiC and Soundgarden, STP are way more versatile and diverse. Tiny music pulled in a ton of different influences from glam to punk to psychedelia. As players I think they completely smoke those other bands and write way more interesting and intricate parts, and as a singer Scott Weiland was like a chameleon. He could cover so much ground. This shouldn’t even be a discussion but because some critics decided early in their career that they sound too much like Pearl Jam we still have people like yourself acting like they’re not artistically relevant. -Jason
I would say that Tiny Music is a mess of an album. It pulls in several influences to form a soup where the chef didn’t care about what ingredients they were throwing in, as long as something was in the bowl.
And I know it’s edgy to say you’re not with the critics, but sometimes the critics are correct. I don’t think that STP is awful, but they certainly don’t even come close to matching the top albums of Soundgarden. Superunknown is an absolute gem and is one of best albums of the 90s.
And I’m not sure that I even mentioned Pearl Jam. I don’t particularly think STP sounds like them.
STP has the hits, the sales, and the influence. All they dont have is the critical acclaim so 3/4 is enough to get in IMO. They dont have the longevity but it doesnt seem longevity matters that much.
Actually they do kinda have the respect now because there were tons of articles written after Weiland died talking about him and STP in a positive light. The critics seem to have came around on them.