Is M1 Abrams Armor Flawed in War Thunder?
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- The M1 Abrams is a very good main battle tank in war thunder, however it does have some issues that no amount of armor will solve.
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Even though It does have that exposed turret ring it's still a good tank.
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It’s weird that the “bullet trap” is a one shot kill on an Abrams. It’s specifically built to shatter APFSDS rounds. They designed that angle for a reason and tested it. But it is a game so not gonna get upset just confusing
The thing is people shoot right at the turret ring where there is no slope to shatter any APFSDS
@@ChaosKoda with the probability of error the round always impacting a not exposed turret ring is low. Plus tons of shots in game are where it rides the front slope or turret slope into the turret ring. That’s my point
The turret ring is overly exposed in game (from what I can tell looking at images of Abrams, you’d need to be accurate within ~5-15mm to hit the turret ring with a 125mm APFSDS penetrator), it’s also one fifth the irl thickness, and APFSDS in game bounce instead of shattering or just straight-up penning.
@@Iden_in_the_Rain that’s what I was saying
@@Iden_in_the_Rain maybe gaijin will fix this when we Show em classified Documents of Abrams
The worst feature is the lack of a leak on the real armor
It seems that every NATO MBT is lacking armor, even leopards
@lazer2238 bias exists sadly... also, the modern m1 Abrams armor is highly classified
@@studmantroy not for long
@lazer2238 I mean tanks like the leclerc are intended to have no armor so they can be a lot faster
@@Bartholomew_TXThe Leclerc IRL is the 2nd most expensive MBT in the world and has armor that compares however gaijin refuses to model actual armor for it and keeps the armor profile of a shitty early prototype. There is just no way France would keep their MBT without any armor on the mantlet. Leclerc in game is missing a lot.
i hate how the gun doesnt sit right in the middle but i think thats bc the cheeks arent proportional either
The gun is centered but cheecks and manlet are un proportional
The whole tank is wonky
The guns centered, the coax is the reason the mantlet is longer on one side causing the cheek to be smaller.
And yall are gonna hate me for this but the turret is shifted to the right a little bit
Ur cheeks aren’t proportional
The worst feature is that gaijin only gives the standard m1 m774 as its best shell at 10.3 and not m833
M833 wouldn’t even ruin the balance, as it’s still worse than DM23, 3BM42, and other shells at the br range.
Gaijin just doesn’t want the abrams to be good.
@@esooGrMagreed, as an avid m1 enjoyer while m774 is enough the m833 shell would make so much sense to have
@@lazer2238I have almost 500 battles in the M1 KVT, M833 would warrant a BR raise to 10.7. You say it's not as good as DM23 but it's actually better, isn't it 430mm pen? I've got 100 more kills than deaths in the tank so I feel like I'm justified in saying it's one of the top 3 10.3 machines in the game even with M774
@theBoarSkinner idk if it is top 3, I have had better experiences with the leo2a4 and T72. And the CV90105 (the t72 are the 10.0 ones and the cv90105 is 10.0 ik)
@@Bartholomew_TX it is definitely top 3. The 2A4 is better but not by much. Runner ups are moderna and 292. Challenger mk. 3 is also really good too but I still rate M1
Gaijin’s refused to add armor to the later abrams variants despite being sent publicly available documents showing armor had been added. Most notably the depleted uranium inserts for the hull and the inserts added after DU had initially been added to the turret cheeks. Someone who knows way more about it than me estimated the M1a2 sep v2 in game is missing around 200-300mm of composite armor equivalent for the hull and turret cheeks
Well if gaijin won't respond to public documents... It's warthunder time boys!
They STILL haven’t adressed the turret ring issue
I HATE the M1 model in this game. If you've ever seen a real M1, you'll know that the turret ring gap is a lot smaller irl and a lot less vertical
Have you ever seen a pictue of a Abrams? 😂the gap is considerable large enough to be a bullet trap in real life
@@headhunter1012the gap in the game is so much larger your clearly blind 😂
@@Slipzedits well guess what just don’t play it then or leak your docs I guess. Anyway the Abrams is outdated and the considerable weaknesses in it’s frontal armor will be non relevant anyway besides it’s been a too big of a target
@@headhunter1012 congratulations comrade you earn 2 sacks of potatos this season. Glorious Russian tech wins again! You made the oligarchs proud boy 😢
@@ireallycant4416 well certainly u yankee didn’t make daddy Trump happy by inventing a newer better tank
It's more the shells problem. They're getting more and more powerful while the armor protection of all mbt stays somewhat the same.
No, the shells get more and more powerful because warthunder can't deny the shells are getting more powerful.
The armour is staying the same because the devs haven't got accurate stats on the latest armour and so they can continue with their russian vehicles being on-par.
The very first NERA armour in game has the exact same RHA equivalent stats per cm as 4th generation NERA.
@@MsArchitectschannelexcept for Russia.
Where a T72B can stop 105mm DM63, which can go through every single T72 variant ever build, but not in game
Gaijin refuses to source their designs because they can not share that they get classified russian documents directly from the Russian government.
Gaijin talks about "not allowing politics in their game" but when the WarGaming devs said the same they got banned from russia and are wanted men inside the country. The WT devs get invited to army and government events. Tells you all you need to know.
There is a reason why Russians can cosplay their tanks but ukrainians are banned for it.
Gaijin will also remove anti russian decals from your vehicles at times.
@@AlphaHorst 105mm dm63 pen - 430mm
1985 t-72b - 500 to 550mm ufp
Nice try brainrot
@@mr.waffentrager4400 Yea because WarThunder is realty. Mate you already proved that you have noidea what you are talking about in another comment so stfu
@@MsArchitectschannelclassic Russian shills at gaijin
Who woulda thought.
The worlds top finder and best military would not leave large parts of their tank with crappy armor?
Obviously war thunder has a problem with more modern tanks this problem occures in every nation of the game
Not with Russia tanks
Nah even tnose are bad 😅@noahsawesomevids422
@@noahsawesomevids422 russian tanks being slow as fuck:
The new modules did buff the russian mbts a tiny bit by making them have a chance to just take out the autoloader if you hit the ammo, but they are mid MBTs, the type 90, leclerc, leo2, strv122, and abrams are all better
@@Bartholomew_TXthat's a massive lie Abrams is brick box with a massive profile and is simply not worth the cost the leopard is debatable in favour of the leopard leclerc is overpriced and type 90 is less armoured
@@BelugaChonky mf we are talking about WARTHUNDER
The abrams turret ring frontal protection should be around ~220-290
But still cloud be shoot thru easily
It should, but I don't want it to lol. It's funny penning an abrams so easily frontally with my CV9035.
@@Bartholomew_TX as a US main you have no idea how satisfying it is killing rat light tanks that one shot your turret ring
The armor hasn't been leaked yet so is weak.
I wouldn't mind the armor being shit if they gave it M829A3
i think the lack of commander sight is one of the largest problems on the older abrams. not having access to a higher pov with decent zoom really hurts it when fighting at range.
I can definitely see that, I like using the CITV on the M1A2 onwards. Even the leopard 2a4 get a commanders parascope, although with no thermals.
@@SeanFicken i like to main the Bradley and Stryker at 10.0, and having the independent thermals for the commander comes in so handy. the abrams isnt bad my any means, its just a handicap every now and again.
Object 292 can 1 shot it like it's armour is paper
Isn’t a huge problem in real life, however, in war thunder? Makes it one of the worst tanks unfortunately
Definitely not one of the worst, the great mobility and reload makes up for shitty armor
@@zzzzzzz...3380In real life Abrams is a lot better than the Abrams in game because it has all the classified protection and ammunition such as M829A3 and M829A4 which In game Abrams don't have, Everything about War thunder isn't accurate cause it's classified not even T90M is accurate lol.
That’s how’d it play out in real life. Maybe a game but it’s also a simulation
@@Tanker000what’s the classified information on the armor That’d keep it from getting one tapped in the turret ring and the hull? The hull is still the same from the m1. Unless they added more nera inside the hull the depleted uranium probably still ain’t going to stop the best 125mm apfsds thrown at it
That's how russian propaganda works
worst version is M1 Abrams equiped with the 105 milimeter gun and has the worst pen out of all MBT's tanks at its br
And there's still a bug with all Abrams tanks that's been around for a while now. Where shooting at the driver from certain angles at the front will not cause any spalling whatsoever.
Bruh i was so hyped to unlock the M1 Abrams .....
.... Just to discover that it is even a worse experience that the Sherman line.
Did you know the Abrams is the only stepdecked tank?
The worst feature is no spall liner, like just give it one and be done with it.. there is plenty of vehicles that get stuff for balance reasons just give the SEP's spall liners.
Then make reload about 7-8 seconds for balance
It never had a spall liner that doesn't even make sense, you us mains should try getting better lol
@@daftcow706yeah they are scrubs, they should use the tanks as snipers, not knife fighting.
@@rickfastly2671
Counterargument:
Knife fighting is fun.
Warthunder is a game.
Sitting halfway across the map with a tank destroyer clicking on scrubs until a scrub clicks on you is not fun.
This post was made by the low-tier arcade gang. It’s also a joke. Play how you want to play, I’m not your dad.
@@rickfastly2671 I have all nations 11.7 but even half the time you can't snipe considering Gaijin is shrinking maps overtime. The maps aren't even meant for modern tanks.
The armor on the gun is missing the rear plate
I find the turret ring is a regular one shot, i play america alot and i eat alotta rounds almost always before i die in the abrams
Nah war thunder top tier is just one shot game every tank has so many easily findable weakspots that you should prefer speed over armor
Well in this case the worst feature of the M1 is that it’s in war thunder, that’s where it first went wrong.
The abrams is missing NERA thickness and the chobham insterts.
See this reason is why I don’t play top tier I main America yet I don’t play top tier I stay at mid
Maybe some secret documents will help?
The m1 Abrams have over 1000mm of armor protection
I just had an argument about us vs Russia (I'm for the us )and this is the first short I see.😂😂
Fun fact just to ruin your day is that the abrams turret cheeks arent asymmetrical.
I like it like that ngl, many angles
I jtst gave up top tier forever last night. Only tank I can kill with my Abrams is another Abrams.😂😂😂. I spend most of the battles trying to avoid the Leos in AB. The T90 and T80s are suddenly unkillable. I wonder why?
while the M1A1+ Abrams has 800mm+ of protection against KE in the frontal hull and on the turret cheeks it has 1.500mm+ KE protection, anyways, gaijin shit
welcome back king
The turret ring is the biggest flaw, any autocannon can frontally pen it and it is a fat as fuck weakspot
Armor won't help if America mains are completely trash. I'm constantly the last one alive with 5-10 kills when playing America.
It’s like the American damage model and the Russian needs flipped to accurately depict real life
How do you do those test shots in war thunder???
The gun is in the middle just nothing else is
And yet still one of the best mbts ingame
Nothing to really do now other then add the sepv3, the armour is accurate and the shells are.. fine, balanced wise
Why is it so fucking heavy tho.
@@rickfastly2671 Because the real Abrams received slightly better armor and more electronics which rounds it up to around 75 tons in the Sep V2.
@@Fazbear-qy8mo I don’t feel da armor tho.
@@rickfastly2671 It’s mostly gaijins game mechanics that limit the Abrams armor (buggy turret ring+upper front plate) but if your relying on armor to get kills your playing the Abrams wrong
@@Fazbear-qy8mo I usually snipe
No real life ammo in the game, biased
Are you using heat or APDFS rounds on this testing?
M774 on the first, M829A2 on the second, both APFSDS.
Bro that’s not in real life
Well the du armor is classified so it can’t be in the game and the turret ring is very large in the game
They say it’s classified and not enough info and they proceed to add features or vehicles that never existed
@@GyyghhhhjjjkkDU is already added
There is no DU armour in the hull, there maybe be in the turret but not in the hull
DU plates in the Hull are on the Sep V3 which I wish Gaijin would as. Sep V3 would probably be 12.0 since it also has APS and better ammo
Everything
I like how the american fangirls are always like: oh noo you should add the Abrams more armor 😭😭cause I know it should be better cause I want to play it and feel immune ingame
Whilst being like this about every addition concerning soviet tech tree:
Oh no thats bullshit why can’t I easily pen a tank meant to having thick frontal armor😭
It is the bIAs all T-sErIes TAnkS should be like the old T-64‘s we fought once in the war with Irak when we invaded them(which were severely outclassed by it’s time and had downgraded armor wise because it’s export)
Iraq.
😂😂😂
The devs ruined this game
I love how much cope there is about "inaccurate armour " in the comments section.
The armour is accurately modelled the Abrams just sucks both in game and irl as we saw back in 2023 and at the start of 2024. Same goes for the Leopard 2's and Challenger 2's
The Abrams only started getting good once the M1A2 was made. Any other Abrams before is mid and takes skill to use
They are all good tanks what happened in Ukraine is what happens to any armored vehicle without proper support
*ricochet*
I don't know man, the Abrams just annoys my OCD, with those disproportionate angles. But then again this is the snail god's game so every nation's tanks have armor flaws, except ofcoarse for the Russian tanks. They be re-inforced with some magic Stalinium metal!
Said a guy who never played soviets in the game and knows it has its flaws with armor too
The worst feature of m1 is being modeled in correctly and gaijin refusing to buff its turret ring 😂
Do this for the merkava. That things armor feels like paper and the ammo rack is disgusting
The war in Ukraine really shattered the abrams image.
Its hilarious how fanboys ever claimed it was the best tank when most of the tanks ir faced where type 59s and T-55s 😂😂
Well any tank gets destroyed when it doesn't have support, and is used by a country that is used to t-series tank doctrine. tbh the whole Ukraine war shattered the Image of Russia being a strong military. All the war did was just get more allies in Nato.
@@applepickle3759I hope you have the same opinion about the United States in the Middle East then as well Russia is fighting an insurgence that’s well armed and on the defensive so unless they plan to reduce every structure to rubble it’s going to take a long time to gain control
Biased devs didn’t even give it the right ammo…
It's a balanced game they aren't biased lol,the only stuff with "bias" is the bvm, 90m, strv 122, and the leopard2s
@@daftcow706 weird how everyone knows the game is biased, they didn’t even give the abrams the right ammo lmao
@@squidy4082they give it the right ammo
Unless you want the best round... then Dm73 gets added
The Challenger 3 and Leo2a7 will then become undisputable as the most powerful tanks in the game
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 there’s ammo made for against Russian tanks irl
@@squidy4082 no there's rounds with anti ERA tips, anti era tips aren't in the game for any vehicle
Most underpowered tank in the entire game at top tier 😮💨 damn shame 😞 grinded for nothing
Skill issue
War thunder uses publicly available data and the US famously understates armor protection, the hull has almost defiantly been upgraded, just not revealed to the public, it’s a shame but I understand gaijins reasoning
Where did you figure out that US inderstates armour protection?
@@lodickasvlajeckou To keep its sercrets
Getting one shot in Ukraine by Russian Artillery
🥱
As an abrams player, i just want gaijin fix the Armor first. I dont really have a issue with the Sabot because M829A2 already powerfull tho, i mean, dealing the T-Series not really hard, well dealing with leopard bit hard but still in hand. But shit the armor are dogshit, playing leopard once and dealing abrams are to easy
The abrams has terrible armour irl tho
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 not necessarily, if you use it hull down it’s pretty good, but with drones everywhere your bound to get clapped at some point.
@@datcheesecakeboi6745uh No lol?
@@Sujamma_Enjoyer Lerlerc, CR2, CR3, Leopard 2, Merkava and Strv are all much better armoured irl
@ No.
The fact its the most useless tank in ukraine rn?
🥱
I think the flaw is the lack of depleted uranium armor and rounds
The depleted uranium was never on any of the variants in game
@@daftcow706except on the turret cheeks... which is modelled Ingame
The DU Hull is only on the Sep V3
@@Fazbear-qy8mo even if that's true which it isn't since it's on the a lot of the m1a1s have depleted uranium armor IRL, but in war thunder they dont have any DU rounds for some reason
@@USA1776.. I said DU hull not ammo
War thunder is russian bias
😂😂😂
If that was true bt7/bt5s would be king in low tiers
@IG10705 just go see Br9 ans Br11
@@Phoenix_6211 skill issue?
@@Panzerwagen37 do you think gaijin is your father?
@@Phoenix_6211 childish much?
Rubbish total Rubbish.