Pretty much all these people saying that Overeem only won because of roids are most likely just butthurt Hari fans that can't accept the fact that Hari got his ass handed to him on a silver platter with a healthy serving of humiliation. Just watch the other videos of Hari, him throwing a hissy fit in his locker room like a 6 yr old girl who lost her doll. He has only done as well as he has (which is not even that good) because he was lucky enough to have come to K-1 after all the greats had retired. (Aerts, Hug, Filho, LeBanner, Hoost, Crocop, Cikatic) Any one of the names about would have whupped Hari's ass even more so than Overeem did in '08, had Hari been around during those years.. Heck, the only reason why Hari even beat Aerts was because he was already so old and should have retire years earlier. (Keep in mind, neither Overeem nor Hari could knock Aerts out, even in his old age). Just face it, the only reason why Hari is doing as good as he is, is because K-1 is not what it once was. Admit to yourselves that Hari is just a pompous, school yard bully all grown up physically, but mentally is still in the playground, bullying kids for lunch money.
BiodegradeableMan Reem was still juicing when Hari beat him too. Don't matter he still kicked Hari's ass in this fight. Hari went into this fight thinking he was gonna dominate cuz it was a k-1 match and got his ass handed to him...end of story. Rumor also has it that Badr has had his hand in some juicing too.
Hamza Echcheikhi lol he promised he would win the 1st fight too lol. The fact is reem kicked his ass in this fight. end of story. if you wanna talk about the rematch then its tied to one each. maybe they should have a 3rd fight.
I have to say that Alistar's knockout of Badr was definitive whereas Badr's over Alistar was really only a TKO. Some would even call that stoppage a bit premature. At the very least it was this knockout was so much more impressive with Badr's head bouncing off of the canvas.
One could make that argument. You know, Pride stoppages have always been suspect to me. I'm an MMA fan mostly so I like to see them at least have a chance to recover. So many times in Pride if the guy just has that momentary blankness in their eye after getting hit, it's stopped.
Alistair is strong. Damn strong. There are videos of him adding weights and training his neck. Other videos of him lifting ridiculous amounts of weight like its nothing. During his steroid times (here), he was nearly impossible to KO. Watch the 2nd fight closer. Badrs kick got him. He was stunned and if its wasnt for the ropes, he would've been on the canvas. Also Badr would've followed through and finished him off if it wasnt for the ref call
You're almost certainly right, although it is speculation Hari would've finished him anyways w/o the stoppage/ And if it were MMA, then Reem probably would've been able to cover up and be OK. But of course it wasn't and a lot of us here are MMA fans first. That's what "Brent Bowers" probably meant.
*Full Story:* Badr Hari before this fight disrespected and trashed MMA and by doing so trashing in a way the accomplishments of great legends like Fedor, Cro Cop, Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell, Ken Shamrock, Royce Gracie, Overeem himself, Big Nogueira and many more. So they decided to sign a two fight contract between Overeem and Badr Hari. First match (this) under K1/Kickboxing rules and 2nd fight under MMA rules. This fight was won by Overeem and Badr Hari chickened out of the MMA fight so it never happened. The 2nd fight in 2009 between them wasn't necessarily meant to happen but happened because they were both in the K1 tournament. And that match Badr Hari won via TKO (although he didn't win the tournament)
+lamperya Learn to read. I covered their 2nd fight as well. And Overeem didn't get knocked out which lead to a loss. I think you should re-watch the 2nd fight. He was a bit dizzy and knocked down twice after Badr had landed a few shots and then at the end he stumbled onto the corner so the referee called off the fight and Badr won. Because they have a rule in K1 that you can only get ''knocked down'' 3 times after that the opponent wins the fight. In this first fight Badr Hari got KO'd cold. He was laying on the ground not even moving. I know you're a Badr Hari fanboy (probably a muslim as well which is what most Badr's fans are) but Overeem did not get KO'd clean. TL;DR Badr Hari's win was a TKO, Overeem's win was a KO
+Robin MX We all know that Badr Hari is a beast when angry. Even Overeem is afraid of Badr when upset. He will definately kick your white butt for sure. punk ass Overeem fanboy gay turd.
There's no point arguing Chris, most people hate him because he's Islamic. Fact is, he's one of the best pound for pound strike fighters the world's ever seen. Obviously more skillful than Overeem.
So Overeem won the first and Hari won the second, but Overeem's win was muchhhhhhhhhhhhhh more impressive. Overeem was still standing when Hari won, Hari was roasted whenn Overeem won. Either way, I like both of 'em.
The fact that overeem used steroids on both fights and still lost one of them says alot how good badr is. Imagine if overeem had no steroids. Badr would have destroyed him
Overeem isn't good, he's so big, it's hard for opponents to fight him. I hate him. I have to admit he's somewhat a good fighter, but what helps him mostly is his big size. Badr fights a bit better, but is kind of in the same category, so big and poweful he just overruns his opponents. You can't compare any of them to good fighters such as Peter Aerts (back in the days).
I love how hari called him out to fight in kickboxing then got ko'd lol, Overeem has a lot of courage to actually fight in k1 when he actually came from grappling.
Unfortunately steroids and chemistry sometimes is enough to make an athlete out of nothing. Here is the biggest example (along with bob sapp). We saw how overeem did in UFC when they didn't allow him to use his winning cocktails
I'm as critical of substance abuse as the next guy, but you can never make an athlete out of nothing. Overeem is a world class fighter who can hold his own against the best. For someone who specialized in kickboxing and only started UFC at age 31, he didn't do all too badly.
Le K-1 World Grand Prix Final est le grand tournoi annuel organisé par le K-1, la plus importante organisation de kick-boxing japonais au monde. Il est réservé aux 16 meilleurs combattants poids lourds de l'année, sélectionnés lors de différents tournois un peu partout dans le monde. Depuis sa création en 1993 il y a eu 14 finales et seulement 7 vainqueurs différents dont 3 non néerlandais (Branko Cikatić, Andy Hug et Mark Hunt) : deux très gros frappeurs (Cikatić et Hunt) et un grand technicien (Andy Hug).
k-1, pride and dream fighter entrances are much more entertaining and gets the fan more hyped than UFC. They should imitate what these organizations did.
Also people tend to hate badr hari, he is just a fighter at heart both in and outside the ring, i dont justify his errors but... he has this mental thing that other fighters seem to lack, a winners spirit if you may call it.
Badr Hari is one of those great fighters like Chael Sonnen and Brock Lesnar that are very skilled and entertaining, yet most entertaining when they lose!!!
For people who don't know. Badr Hari lost this fight yes, but then he promised that, if they had a rematch, he would beat Alistair in less then 3 minutes...They had a rematch, and Badr won in less then 3 minutes! GO BADRR!!!!
@Sassymui8 From 2000 - 2007, Japan was the mecca of MMA. All the premier organizations were in Japan. All the UFC talent left the UFC and went to Japan.
Because this video will put some new or at least what almost niguous such as that of several fighters against other l confess l hsve not seen it yet and he already
I do like Overeem, used to hate his guts but I've grown to like him and especially now he's a proper heavyweight. Very happy that he smashed Badr that disrespectful trash!
I remember when this fight happened and the K-1 diehards said it Overeem only did well because Hari had recently had a tough fight and was too injured to fight or whatever. They kept claiming that Overeem wasn't going anywhere in K-1 and would get blown away when he fought healthy opponents. Well, things seemed to go rather well for him in K-1 since then. BTW, I'm also a fan of K-1. I just don't like to see fighters' talents dismissed because of their background or style.
Two world class kickboxers...but this video shows that the most devastating is BOXING...if you are superior with ur hands. The hands end fights...look at Dos Santos vs. Valasquez
For me both of those fighters deserve for respect because its really hard to achive what they did and sacrifice the good moments for training , i hope they will have third fight and once more shot us the great skill :)
look up the weight hari was in this fight and then the fight they had one year later..if im not mistaken he was 22lbs bigger..and reem never walked around at 205.. he always had to cut to make 205..reem walked around at 220 when he fought LHW.
Hey 9:10, check out that form difference.. I know the Reem is bigger, but tight clean technique always prevails. if Hadr had his shoulder forearm block how he was supposed to they would have just traded.
mma has only been around for little over a decade. it's still evolving (should it allow downward elbow strikes or not?) to be considered the top combat sport considering that a lot of the techniques used are bbj (on the ground) and muay thai (standing up).
It also allows much faster muscle recovery, so fighters can train more, and muscles won't get sore as fast, which in turn allows for better conditioning. And it also improves the cardovascular muscle (heart) for better stamina. It burns fat, so the amount of muscle in 1 cubic cm is greater than normal.
You see that is a fair point, trash talking the UFC is a different thing. Saying that a kickboxer has to go the UFC to prove he's the best however, is not a valid point.
That was one impressive performance by Overeem. His combinations were swift, his kicks were precise and his steroids were effective.
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Meow!
Incredible Overheem and very very different fight to the 2009's. Both had an amazing first round each time.
Alistair Overeem outpunched Badr Hari, with a huge left hook, followed by a knee to the jaw to put him down the second time, for the count.
AND AGAIN
Not always Kytouro. Sometimes.
Overeem steroids
Pretty much all these people saying that Overeem only won because of roids are most likely just butthurt Hari fans that can't accept the fact that Hari got his ass handed to him on a silver platter with a healthy serving of humiliation.
Just watch the other videos of Hari, him throwing a hissy fit in his locker room like a 6 yr old girl who lost her doll.
He has only done as well as he has (which is not even that good) because he was lucky enough to have come to K-1 after all the greats had retired. (Aerts, Hug, Filho, LeBanner, Hoost, Crocop, Cikatic)
Any one of the names about would have whupped Hari's ass even more so than Overeem did in '08, had Hari been around during those years..
Heck, the only reason why Hari even beat Aerts was because he was already so old and should have retire years earlier. (Keep in mind, neither Overeem nor Hari could knock Aerts out, even in his old age).
Just face it, the only reason why Hari is doing as good as he is, is because K-1 is not what it once was. Admit to yourselves that Hari is just a pompous, school yard bully all grown up physically, but mentally is still in the playground, bullying kids for lunch money.
As soon as Overeem stopped juicing he got his ass handed to him. Coincidence?
BiodegradeableMan Reem was still juicing when Hari beat him too. Don't matter he still kicked Hari's ass in this fight. Hari went into this fight thinking he was gonna dominate cuz it was a k-1 match and got his ass handed to him...end of story. Rumor also has it that Badr has had his hand in some juicing too.
Jake Smith yup, I read somewhere in the comments above that he got caught with a notable quantity of the stuff. Aside from his assault charges.
Hamza Echcheikhi lol he promised he would win the 1st fight too lol. The fact is reem kicked his ass in this fight. end of story. if you wanna talk about the rematch then its tied to one each. maybe they should have a 3rd fight.
You're talking like Badr hasn't changed. This is 6 years ago mate.
I have to say that Alistar's knockout of Badr was definitive whereas Badr's over Alistar was really only a TKO. Some would even call that stoppage a bit premature. At the very least it was this knockout was so much more impressive with Badr's head bouncing off of the canvas.
the second fight was fixed in my opinion
One could make that argument. You know, Pride stoppages have always been suspect to me. I'm an MMA fan mostly so I like to see them at least have a chance to recover. So many times in Pride if the guy just has that momentary blankness in their eye after getting hit, it's stopped.
Alistair is strong. Damn strong. There are videos of him adding weights and training his neck. Other videos of him lifting ridiculous amounts of weight like its nothing. During his steroid times (here), he was nearly impossible to KO. Watch the 2nd fight closer. Badrs kick got him. He was stunned and if its wasnt for the ropes, he would've been on the canvas. Also Badr would've followed through and finished him off if it wasnt for the ref call
You're almost certainly right, although it is speculation Hari would've finished him anyways w/o the stoppage/
And if it were MMA, then Reem probably would've been able to cover up and be OK. But of course it wasn't and a lot of us here are MMA fans first. That's what "Brent Bowers" probably meant.
lambdasq Of course, but considering Hari's skill and past fight finishes, Im dead sure he would. Anyway, no worries :)
@Adsem you just save me 5 minutes of my precious time!
THANKS A LOT!
*Full Story:* Badr Hari before this fight disrespected and trashed MMA and by doing so trashing in a way the accomplishments of great legends like Fedor, Cro Cop, Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell, Ken Shamrock, Royce Gracie, Overeem himself, Big Nogueira and many more. So they decided to sign a two fight contract between Overeem and Badr Hari. First match (this) under K1/Kickboxing rules and 2nd fight under MMA rules.
This fight was won by Overeem and Badr Hari chickened out of the MMA fight so it never happened. The 2nd fight in 2009 between them wasn't necessarily meant to happen but happened because they were both in the K1 tournament. And that match Badr Hari won via TKO (although he didn't win the tournament)
Ouvereem knocked out few weeks later by the bad boy
+lamperya Learn to read. I covered their 2nd fight as well. And Overeem didn't get knocked out which lead to a loss. I think you should re-watch the 2nd fight. He was a bit dizzy and knocked down twice after Badr had landed a few shots and then at the end he stumbled onto the corner so the referee called off the fight and Badr won. Because they have a rule in K1 that you can only get ''knocked down'' 3 times after that the opponent wins the fight.
In this first fight Badr Hari got KO'd cold. He was laying on the ground not even moving. I know you're a Badr Hari fanboy (probably a muslim as well which is what most Badr's fans are) but Overeem did not get KO'd clean.
TL;DR Badr Hari's win was a TKO, Overeem's win was a KO
+Robin MX and most importantly, they stoped the match at the 2nd knockdown... i am still wondering about it...
+Robin MX We all know that Badr Hari is a beast when angry. Even Overeem is afraid of Badr when upset. He will definately kick your white butt for sure. punk ass Overeem fanboy gay turd.
+Korps Commandotroepen 1: I'm not white. 2: Overeem and Badr are friends now. 3: Don't be angry just because Badr got KO'd by Overeem.
Overeem gets challenge by one of the top K1 guys, accepts and demolishes him.
AWESOME!
The intro of alistair is giving me goosebumps! Love it
the only time I would ever root for overeem
Overeem barely broke a sweat, WHAT A LEGEND
I don't know why people don't like Overeem just because he looks scary.
The guy is an amazing fighter, and a down to earth nice guy
But everybody know that he use steroids
Badr is a bad man, but in this fight Reem was sooo dominant.
Steroid dominant
@@kopklop9146 it’s a professional sport, they all use steroids genius
@@kopklop9146u'r stupid bro, all use roids
There's no point arguing Chris, most people hate him because he's Islamic.
Fact is, he's one of the best pound for pound strike fighters the world's ever seen. Obviously more skillful than Overeem.
So Overeem won the first and Hari won the second, but Overeem's win was muchhhhhhhhhhhhhh more impressive. Overeem was still standing when Hari won, Hari was roasted whenn Overeem won. Either way, I like both of 'em.
the steroid keeped him standing lol
The fact that overeem used steroids on both fights and still lost one of them says alot how good badr is. Imagine if overeem had no steroids. Badr would have destroyed him
@@rtyrnstr3360 badr was on steroids too you slow asf🤣🤣🤣
I love to see him fight! It's always a good show.
Vive notre champion badr hari et vive le maroc
Really dig how the camera looking up at the fighters catches the screen displaying the same perspective. For a second there are 8 fighters visible.
I love how he runs back to his corner like a good little boy. lol
I used to dislike Kickboxing, but after watching Hari, Hoost, Smith, I became an instant fan.
at least Overeem actually put him properly down
Yeah...and in the 2009 rematch, Badr kicks the shit out of Alistair's ass :-)))
*****
way "steroidy" better... ;-)
Overeem isn't good, he's so big, it's hard for opponents to fight him. I hate him. I have to admit he's somewhat a good fighter, but what helps him mostly is his big size. Badr fights a bit better, but is kind of in the same category, so big and poweful he just overruns his opponents. You can't compare any of them to good fighters such as Peter Aerts (back in the days).
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so thats why bob sapp is a good fighter then.... this fight overeems technique is what won , not his size...
+Patriot'e Kurd Tesla jeeeeellllly!
overeem is great, great intro song too
The Reem is light years ahead of this guy.
Until hari knocked him out a year later
+ wertytrewqa No, he didn't.
+Trocity He did
thank you
the most huge gathering of Hari's haters is this video
i'm a fan of hari...but that was a really nice KO..respect for both fighters
If you watch the rematch in 2009 Hari is almost twice the size. So in a sense Hari could've have beaten him if he was roiding as much as Overeem was.
I totally agree with You!
The Reem was a true trail blazer in the roid department.
But in all seriousness kickboxing has to crack down on PEDs.
I think he should drop to 205 and just run marathons to get his cardio back. If not he's done. Well hes pretty much done as a heavy weight.
His striking style isnt meant for a sport with small gloves and takedowns. He should go to GLORY.
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Apparently His style isn't meant for big ones and no takedown's either! lol!
I love how hari called him out to fight in kickboxing then got ko'd lol, Overeem has a lot of courage to actually fight in k1 when he actually came from grappling.
Unfortunately steroids and chemistry sometimes is enough to make an athlete out of nothing. Here is the biggest example (along with bob sapp). We saw how overeem did in UFC when they didn't allow him to use his winning cocktails
Yeh he ran right through Brock
RajmanGaming HD Didn't he get suspended right after for failing tests? Since then, he's done nothing but lose...
I'm as critical of substance abuse as the next guy, but you can never make an athlete out of nothing. Overeem is a world class fighter who can hold his own against the best. For someone who specialized in kickboxing and only started UFC at age 31, he didn't do all too badly.
Just watched it, Badr certainly looks bigger, Alister too... but Alister is still easily the bigger man in that fight too. Badr is just taller
''bad boy''' bu hallere düşecek adam mıydı :)
Hahaha!
God I love Japanese announcers.
0:50 YOU SUCK lmao xD
i heard that too. lmao
lol
Thanks! you have help me ;)
Overeem overeem !!!
The way how Overeem goes to his corner after the ko... it's so funny, he seems a ballerina :D
christianity killing islam :)
Overeem isn't Christian
love it
what is overeem then??
@@Imozep4Live i think he has nothing to do with religion....
The golden boy
#1 Badr Hari champion forever !
Le K-1 World Grand Prix Final est le grand tournoi annuel organisé par le K-1, la plus importante organisation de kick-boxing japonais au monde. Il est réservé aux 16 meilleurs combattants poids lourds de l'année, sélectionnés lors de différents tournois un peu partout dans le monde.
Depuis sa création en 1993 il y a eu 14 finales et seulement 7 vainqueurs différents dont 3 non néerlandais (Branko Cikatić, Andy Hug et Mark Hunt) : deux très gros frappeurs (Cikatić et Hunt) et un grand technicien (Andy Hug).
Thanks
k-1, pride and dream fighter entrances are much more entertaining and gets the fan more hyped than UFC. They should imitate what these organizations did.
I like how Alistair runs to the corner at each konockdown ;)
この頃、バダハリはノリにノっていて、
日本のファンも大勢いた。
日本のファンは9対1ぐらいで、バダハリを応援していて、
アリスターはK-1に参戦したばかりなのでまだファンもいなかった。
日本のファンは、いつものように、バダハリに勝ってもらいたかったに違いない。
しかし、ここでアリスターがバダハリを一撃したことで、
アリスターの強さ、素晴らしさ、日本のファンにアピールできたのだろう。
you ar my number one, crazy passion for you
Yes, it's a very good reflex, he keeps his energy like that !
This is the BUSHIDO spirit, all fighters should have this attitude during their fights !
So this is where Badr got his brain damaged
I have to give t up to Alister,thats one tough fool to knock out.Sick fight!!!!!!
"Cloud"
Also people tend to hate badr hari, he is just a fighter at heart both in and outside the ring, i dont justify his errors but... he has this mental thing that other fighters seem to lack, a winners spirit if you may call it.
overeem is the man , RESPECT , like he said
Badr Hari is one of those great fighters like Chael Sonnen and Brock Lesnar that are very skilled and entertaining, yet most entertaining when they lose!!!
Overeem is masterful me very sympathetic, he fights like a man and I must say he has also repeatedly claims to good stock
Actuallly surprised how good allistar is in k-1 since he was an mma fighter first would like to see an mma fight between badr and allistar.
ダウンとった後の小走りかわいい
For people who don't know. Badr Hari lost this fight yes, but then he promised that, if they had a rematch, he would beat Alistair in less then 3 minutes...They had a rematch, and Badr won in less then 3 minutes! GO BADRR!!!!
Overeem is so light on his feet at 7:14!
Yes he did. The ref saved his life and nobody complained about that. They're even, and that's a good ending for great scary fighters.
He is arab, he is Muslim & he is tough, we are very proud of you Badr !!!
@Sassymui8 From 2000 - 2007, Japan was the mecca of MMA.
All the premier organizations were in Japan.
All the UFC talent left the UFC and went to Japan.
Glad i can help you ,haha :D
Thanks. How did you do that? Whats the principle? hehe nice one
Sounds like a lot of hard work, time in the gym, training and dedication to me.
the first Knck down was beautiful.
Because this video will put some new or at least what almost niguous such as that of several fighters against other l confess l hsve not seen it yet and he already
So true! regards from Denmark :)
It's from film "Gladiator" now we are free, probably there u've heard it
A MMA fight in Japan, commented in Korean, with a victor from the Netherlands. Quite the world thing.
god fight, and i like overeem, it's my favorite!
THE SONG MAKES IT SO DRAMATIC XD
this would be a great movie !!
very good strike and solid defend from Alistair Overreem.....
I would love to see the dreamfights :
Badr Hari vs Ernesto Hoost
Badr Hari vs Mirco Crocop
Badr Hari vs Francisco Filho
7:33 Alistair beautifully dodged these punches!
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these 2 have a serious fued.can anyone PLEASE upload overeem vs antonio silva
I do like Overeem, used to hate his guts but I've grown to like him and especially now he's a proper heavyweight. Very happy that he smashed Badr that disrespectful trash!
07:40 look how hes running back in his corner :D like a big baby ^^
Badr Hari is The best and Al Hamdoullah he's from north Africa Maghreb United Morocco Algeria Tunisia bro
I remember when this fight happened and the K-1 diehards said it Overeem only did well because Hari had recently had a tough fight and was too injured to fight or whatever. They kept claiming that Overeem wasn't going anywhere in K-1 and would get blown away when he fought healthy opponents. Well, things seemed to go rather well for him in K-1 since then.
BTW, I'm also a fan of K-1. I just don't like to see fighters' talents dismissed because of their background or style.
Two world class kickboxers...but this video shows that the most devastating is BOXING...if you are superior with ur hands. The hands end fights...look at Dos Santos vs. Valasquez
For me both of those fighters deserve for respect because its really hard to achive what they did and sacrifice the good moments for training , i hope they will have third fight and once more shot us the great skill :)
@TheIntimidator007 can you link his fightwith brock pls?
YALLAH BADR HARI! after bonjasky best fighter ever ;) respect from germany
look up the weight hari was in this fight and then the fight they had one year later..if im not mistaken he was 22lbs bigger..and reem never walked around at 205.. he always had to cut to make 205..reem walked around at 220 when he fought LHW.
Hey 9:10, check out that form difference.. I know the Reem is bigger, but tight clean technique always prevails. if Hadr had his shoulder forearm block how he was supposed to they would have just traded.
Alistar's intro music, spectacular!
mma has only been around for little over a decade. it's still evolving (should it allow downward elbow strikes or not?) to be considered the top combat sport considering that a lot of the techniques used are bbj (on the ground) and muay thai (standing up).
Waarom is dat hem dan niet gelukt?
thanks, I have 5 min more in my life.
When Badr punches he just closes his eyes and swings. That's when you get knocked the fuck out by counterpunches.
It also allows much faster muscle recovery, so fighters can train more, and muscles won't get sore as fast, which in turn allows for better conditioning. And it also improves the cardovascular muscle (heart) for better stamina. It burns fat, so the amount of muscle in 1 cubic cm is greater than normal.
I love them both.... my two fav fighters ;D
Badr: k1
Overeem: ufc
He IS a really nice guy, the problem is, he did use steroids. Now people have found a way to hate on him..
and when your opponent underestimate you, you do very well,
we so overoids skill in the second fight! very skillful!!
@panthersww
And what about the other fight with Badr Hari against Overeem? You forgett that?
legend fight
Алистар - отличный боец. В бою если побеждает, то делает это чисто!
hari gained about 25 pounds in ONE year for the rematch in 09..but people talk shit about overeem putting on 25 pounds in TWO years..smh.
badr wins the rematch in the first round also in the k-1 world gp 2009 what a revenge ;) respect to both of them great fighters
tahiyati khasssa li batal maghrebiy 100%100 bdar hari
You see that is a fair point, trash talking the UFC is a different thing. Saying that a kickboxer has to go the UFC to prove he's the best however, is not a valid point.
youtube wont allow me to paste links. i will see if i can inbox it to you