I did the calculations in Global version now because I was preparing for the official PvP tournament. Yuffie gets around 370 total evasion with Subterfuge and Treasure Hunter TMR, without Reincarnation. With Reincarnation it's about 395. Sephiroth with Maidens VC and full Accuracy stack is about 420 total accuracy... so 50% chance to hit on non-reincarnated Yuffie.
Minimum you need a Luck Up 35% VC (Secrets of the Heart) in a main slot, and the free FF7 Yuffie VC also on a main slot. Having Shiva VC in a sub VC slot will also add 10 evade, but that's optional. If you have those two VCs (Secrets of the Heart and Yuffie VC) equipped on Main Slots, and evade gear and espers, you can somewhat run Fire Evade, but of course it won't be the maximum possible evade value (which, depending on the element of your opponent's team, CAN be hard countered by simply stacking Accuracy).
Love you! Oh, was it you who pinged me on Discord too? XD Yeah it's just a simple team I built to climb, but I'm glad it's helping you get high up too!
Have you tried Diablos on Fina? For Dark atk up. Diablos also has slash res but the main reason I'd choose Diablos is DA Up and the esper also has no elemental weakness onspite being dark.
You need it for Fire Evade. If you don't have it, just make sure you're not running 2 evade characters... it's no longer worth it. If you are running just 1 evade character (Yuffie)... but it may be hard to get her total evasion high enough so I wouldn't recommend it... but ultimately it depends on how good your opponents are, too. Overall, if you don't have Psaro VC but still want to do a Fire team, I would recommend going the Tank / Mage+Healer+Support / Attacker route. A classic example is King Mont / Glaciela (Regalia) / Cetia. In this case you can replace Cetia with Yuffie or the upcoming Hyoh. If you run this kind of Fire team, you want to make sure you grab Kefka who is going to be an upgrade over Glaciela (Regalia).
You can do a number of things to switch the match-up in either way. For my videos, I basically just provide a tuned version of the team for the map in question that's good enough for Guild Battle (expected to beat many things). But of course, you can always customize the build to beat this one match-up -- at the expense of making it weaker vs other things. Obviously reincarnation on Sephiroth would help... but if I had reincarnation on Yuffie it would help her too. As for Vinera VC... it could certainly help, but we really need to test it.
Sure, but Dark's role is not just to clear Fire Evade so we need to make sure we are not taking away too much attack power or defense to focus on Accuracy. In this case, even if you stacked more Accuracy so that Dark Fina tries to attack Yuffie, you may still miss and lose.
I'd have to do it on the next map since I'm leaving my current guild in JP to join another guild. Using Dark Leela will potentially give Dark an edge though, since she's slightly more tanky than Ruin Sterne. But we generally choose to run Ruin Sterne due to the other matchups.
Hey man, a sugestion. make a video with you opinion about Wordwide version. i think all wotv content creators who was dont be selled by some invites to justin in friends, need make his videos to we try fix this absurd
Yeah I'll make something. Not sure if you're aware, but I was a previous guest on Justin and Friends. Regardless of that though, I think it's worth sounding out. I've been patient with waiting for the situation to improve for long enough.
No. Because Luck set also factors into your Accuracy. If you change from Evade set to Luck set, you lose like 2 to 3 points of Evasion, and gain around 12 points of Accuracy. Evade set is only good if you are running an evade character WITHOUT putting an evade piece of equipment (so all your evade stat will be taken from your TMR). If you're running an evade character, 99% of the time you are equipping evade gear.
first how much times transcendence do you have about Sephiroth, Stein, dark Fina ,Yufi, King mont ,Valentine, second want to the their Truth stone parameter ,finally , how much JPY do you pay for this game
I do the daily purchases in JP, and if you do that, almost every week you get 1x extra UR antler. Probably in the future in GL version they will do that too. I'm Royal Rank 11 in JP.
@@OdaibaDiver very thank you for reply .the last 3 years , I spend much time in JP and GL version ,but as a while , the GL version has more reward, especially about 5 month ago. Particularly in comeback reward up to 300 UR units shard 150 URVC shard selection tickets which let me, free pay user has opportunity to win even around Top 120-100 Arena, so I spend a lot time to re-rolling and make about 10 account , each account maybe specialize for one element team. But as the truth stone system and transcendence system come ,I can not win around TOP 120 in Arena even hard to get in TOP 1000. But this SRPG game battle system and character design is so much good . As far as have the time and economics baseline I will try to recreate a SRPG game like it . by the way I think the areas and class match top player always very gifted, so the team ,unit,VC, equipment arrangements is very interesting. thank you so much .good luck
Would the result be a bit different if Sephiroth has no luck and he would not try to use non guaranteed attacks against Yuffie? Ruin Sterne will not hit w/O luck though so that's hard 😂😂. Raffi might change this balance though since she would be able to tie up Yuffie enough while dark's other two units finish the fire team.
Even if Sephiroth did use a Guarantee Hit move, the damage would not be enough to 1-shot Yuffie in that 1st fight. But for the 2nd fight (replay of 1st fight), yes, if Sephiroth's luck/accuracy was not that high, he would have used Shadowflare twice which should allow him to win.
You can run King Mont, Yuffie and Kefka, and it seems to be pretty okay... but for right now it doesn't seem to be better than Double Fire Evade or Triple Fire Evade. You could also run Double Evade + Kefka but it's kinda risky. Also there are some AI priority problems that causes Kefka to not use his Limit Burst as often or early as you would hope for him to, and to fix it you need to turn off one of his best AOE attacks.
I would say that it depends on your overall collection. But frankly, getting Sephiroth over Yuffie is not a bad call at all. Dark element is one of two elements that will never truly go away, simply because there's no way they can be hard-countered by a dominating element. Besides, in the future other elements will get evade teams at some point -- in JP, I missed out on the Light Evade meta that lasted for so long, because I figured I played enough of it in GL so I don't need it in JP. That was a big mistake for me since it's one of the most popular defenses among top guilds. I'm finally only catching up now with Fire Evade... so if you miss out on the parts needed for Fire Evade, maybe just wait for the next evade meta (probably Wind when they rerun Nier collab).
It's funny you say that, because if I lower Sephiroth's Accuracy, he would actually win Fight no.2 due to a lower accuracy being able to force him to use Guaranteed Hit moves. Also, this is a Guild Battle guild... I am not just concerned with beating Fire Evade. I need to beat other matchups too.
@@OdaibaDiver if the concert of a fire evade team is yuffie... you need to really in acc only cuz she will have their ignore buff most of the time up. Is true that you say that is a guild battle but even thought as you make your team you have to decide what will be the type of enemies that you going to take care of... so you have to build to fight agaisnt it. I not saying that yuffie ins't great cuz she is.
That's not the reason. And honestly, look at the VCs... what would you even take out for Shadowlynx's VC? We don't even use that VC in our Dark teams right now in Global for the most part, what makes you think it's good enough to run?
Well, that's not what I mean to say. I think you should go for whatever team you want to play. Here in this video, I just wanted to show that Sephiroth doesn't always beat evade.
Welcome back!!!! Also, I have noticed people are doing Illusion on Sterne and building him dodge, which seems to be messing up the other Seph teams, even though Seph has 100 percent hit. I tried it myself against other Seph teams and it works often. Not sure why.
i think dark will be a bit more suited to face fire evade in gl than jp since we have the maidens of the rose VC
I did the calculations in Global version now because I was preparing for the official PvP tournament. Yuffie gets around 370 total evasion with Subterfuge and Treasure Hunter TMR, without Reincarnation. With Reincarnation it's about 395. Sephiroth with Maidens VC and full Accuracy stack is about 420 total accuracy... so 50% chance to hit on non-reincarnated Yuffie.
Glad youre back. Always enjoy your content
Thank you for your support! Gonna try and pump out a bunch of stuff, please look forward to it!
Hi Odaiba you going to do Live lster for JP FF numbered news?
So for Fire Evasion, if you don't have the Psaro Card. What are some viable Substitute VCs to use in place ?
Minimum you need a Luck Up 35% VC (Secrets of the Heart) in a main slot, and the free FF7 Yuffie VC also on a main slot. Having Shiva VC in a sub VC slot will also add 10 evade, but that's optional. If you have those two VCs (Secrets of the Heart and Yuffie VC) equipped on Main Slots, and evade gear and espers, you can somewhat run Fire Evade, but of course it won't be the maximum possible evade value (which, depending on the element of your opponent's team, CAN be hard countered by simply stacking Accuracy).
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Love you! Oh, was it you who pinged me on Discord too? XD Yeah it's just a simple team I built to climb, but I'm glad it's helping you get high up too!
Have you tried Diablos on Fina? For Dark atk up. Diablos also has slash res but the main reason I'd choose Diablos is DA Up and the esper also has no elemental weakness onspite being dark.
Congratulations getting 2nd at Leonis Cup!
Thanks!
how essential is the psaro vc for mono fire? not much to replace it unfortunately but would it still be a viable build without it?
You need it for Fire Evade. If you don't have it, just make sure you're not running 2 evade characters... it's no longer worth it. If you are running just 1 evade character (Yuffie)... but it may be hard to get her total evasion high enough so I wouldn't recommend it... but ultimately it depends on how good your opponents are, too. Overall, if you don't have Psaro VC but still want to do a Fire team, I would recommend going the Tank / Mage+Healer+Support / Attacker route. A classic example is King Mont / Glaciela (Regalia) / Cetia. In this case you can replace Cetia with Yuffie or the upcoming Hyoh. If you run this kind of Fire team, you want to make sure you grab Kefka who is going to be an upgrade over Glaciela (Regalia).
hope you’re ok odaiba!
Thanks for your well wishes! Just taking an extended hiatus from RUclips for the moment to focus on a few things. All's well!
What about sephirot Raincarnation stat? Not helping him against yuffie evade?
And how about that one VC global have (vinera vc)?
You can do a number of things to switch the match-up in either way. For my videos, I basically just provide a tuned version of the team for the map in question that's good enough for Guild Battle (expected to beat many things). But of course, you can always customize the build to beat this one match-up -- at the expense of making it weaker vs other things. Obviously reincarnation on Sephiroth would help... but if I had reincarnation on Yuffie it would help her too. As for Vinera VC... it could certainly help, but we really need to test it.
just have to add more acc for Dark Dps and adjust a little more. That' s not impossible for dark to beat fire but, gonna take a quite specific build
Sure, but Dark's role is not just to clear Fire Evade so we need to make sure we are not taking away too much attack power or defense to focus on Accuracy. In this case, even if you stacked more Accuracy so that Dark Fina tries to attack Yuffie, you may still miss and lose.
@@OdaibaDiver That's reasonable to hear. Dark Fina is quite a messy with Auto AI too.
Personally can't wait for hyoh.
Can you try UR Dark Leela & Joker? they are the accurate ones.
I'd have to do it on the next map since I'm leaving my current guild in JP to join another guild. Using Dark Leela will potentially give Dark an edge though, since she's slightly more tanky than Ruin Sterne. But we generally choose to run Ruin Sterne due to the other matchups.
Hey man, a sugestion. make a video with you opinion about Wordwide version. i think all wotv content creators who was dont be selled by some invites to justin in friends, need make his videos to we try fix this absurd
Yeah I'll make something. Not sure if you're aware, but I was a previous guest on Justin and Friends. Regardless of that though, I think it's worth sounding out. I've been patient with waiting for the situation to improve for long enough.
Roy or Kefka?
Kefka 100%. I think Roy is pretty bad IMO.
@OdaibaDiver Thanks Odaiba, I'm short on vis and have to choose one
Why use Luck 15% truststone? Isn't Evade 15 better ?
No. Because Luck set also factors into your Accuracy. If you change from Evade set to Luck set, you lose like 2 to 3 points of Evasion, and gain around 12 points of Accuracy. Evade set is only good if you are running an evade character WITHOUT putting an evade piece of equipment (so all your evade stat will be taken from your TMR). If you're running an evade character, 99% of the time you are equipping evade gear.
No Psaro? I'm guessing V Ildera's better than him now?
Not necessary. There are pros and cons for each. I think I explained that a bit in the Fire Evade builds part of the video.
first how much times transcendence do you have about Sephiroth, Stein, dark Fina ,Yufi, King mont ,Valentine, second want to the their Truth stone parameter ,finally , how much JPY do you pay for this game
I do the daily purchases in JP, and if you do that, almost every week you get 1x extra UR antler. Probably in the future in GL version they will do that too. I'm Royal Rank 11 in JP.
@@OdaibaDiver very thank you for reply .the last 3 years , I spend much time in JP and GL version ,but as a while , the GL version has more reward, especially about 5 month ago. Particularly in comeback reward up to 300 UR units shard 150 URVC shard selection tickets which let me, free pay user has opportunity to win even around Top 120-100 Arena, so I spend a lot time to re-rolling and make about 10 account , each account maybe specialize for one element team. But as the truth stone system and transcendence system come ,I can not win around TOP 120 in Arena even hard to get in TOP 1000. But this SRPG game battle system and character design is so much good . As far as have the time and economics baseline I will try to recreate a SRPG game like it .
by the way I think the areas and class match top player always very gifted, so the team ,unit,VC, equipment arrangements is very interesting. thank you so much .good luck
Would the result be a bit different if Sephiroth has no luck and he would not try to use non guaranteed attacks against Yuffie? Ruin Sterne will not hit w/O luck though so that's hard 😂😂. Raffi might change this balance though since she would be able to tie up Yuffie enough while dark's other two units finish the fire team.
Even if Sephiroth did use a Guarantee Hit move, the damage would not be enough to 1-shot Yuffie in that 1st fight. But for the 2nd fight (replay of 1st fight), yes, if Sephiroth's luck/accuracy was not that high, he would have used Shadowflare twice which should allow him to win.
So fire evade beats means you don’t see Kefka used?
You can run King Mont, Yuffie and Kefka, and it seems to be pretty okay... but for right now it doesn't seem to be better than Double Fire Evade or Triple Fire Evade. You could also run Double Evade + Kefka but it's kinda risky. Also there are some AI priority problems that causes Kefka to not use his Limit Burst as often or early as you would hope for him to, and to fix it you need to turn off one of his best AOE attacks.
Rune Sterne showed up but nobody was home
Poor Sterne...
Dark ifrit could be very important for hyoh. So i already pulled the vc.
Yeah, if that's the direction you'd like to go, it could be good for him. I just personally don't have the vis anymore lol.
Close match. Sephiroth is good for guild defend team.
Certainly. I agree with you there. But the flip side of that also is that, Fire Evade is really good for Defense team too. Both are really good.
Tbh as a f2p I should've spend my vis on Yuffie instead of Seph. I think she's more usefull both in PvP n pve because of her hi-evasion
I would say that it depends on your overall collection. But frankly, getting Sephiroth over Yuffie is not a bad call at all. Dark element is one of two elements that will never truly go away, simply because there's no way they can be hard-countered by a dominating element. Besides, in the future other elements will get evade teams at some point -- in JP, I missed out on the Light Evade meta that lasted for so long, because I figured I played enough of it in GL so I don't need it in JP. That was a big mistake for me since it's one of the most popular defenses among top guilds. I'm finally only catching up now with Fire Evade... so if you miss out on the parts needed for Fire Evade, maybe just wait for the next evade meta (probably Wind when they rerun Nier collab).
seph has plenty of aoe for farming, also high survivalbility
That's a really bad build for sephiroth if you want to make him anti evade. You even don't have the full acc in the rune.
It's funny you say that, because if I lower Sephiroth's Accuracy, he would actually win Fight no.2 due to a lower accuracy being able to force him to use Guaranteed Hit moves. Also, this is a Guild Battle guild... I am not just concerned with beating Fire Evade. I need to beat other matchups too.
@@OdaibaDiver if the concert of a fire evade team is yuffie... you need to really in acc only cuz she will have their ignore buff most of the time up. Is true that you say that is a guild battle but even thought as you make your team you have to decide what will be the type of enemies that you going to take care of... so you have to build to fight agaisnt it. I not saying that yuffie ins't great cuz she is.
JP not have : Dark VC Luck +DEX 35%
That's not the reason. And honestly, look at the VCs... what would you even take out for Shadowlynx's VC? We don't even use that VC in our Dark teams right now in Global for the most part, what makes you think it's good enough to run?
DARK team is terrible and we should skip Sephiroth , we should go for fire evade
Well, that's not what I mean to say. I think you should go for whatever team you want to play. Here in this video, I just wanted to show that Sephiroth doesn't always beat evade.
Welcome back!!!! Also, I have noticed people are doing Illusion on Sterne and building him dodge, which seems to be messing up the other Seph teams, even though Seph has 100 percent hit. I tried it myself against other Seph teams and it works often. Not sure why.
What do you mean messing up the other Sephiroth teams?
@@OdaibaDiver Seph wasn't using his 100 percent LB