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Kratos was always a deep character, rich with emotion and compassion. Have people really forgotten? The angriest and coldest people in the world are sometimes the most emphatic, and they're pissed, but with good reason.
Sometines i think people can't see past his Rage because of the violênce, also they see the sex minigames and decide that the game IS not worth a deeper look into its themes despise being accurate to How greek tragedies where told
@@petwisk2012 Well, I'd say old Kratos had depth to him that was never explored much which I believe was always the point and now it's being explored with new Kratos
People seem to look at God of War 3 alone and view it as a complete summarization of Kratos's character. Not one of these hacks realizes that GoW3 is Kratos finally reaching his breaking point after decades of the Gods screwing over him and his entire family.
That’s exactly right. Kratos is still human just like all of us despite being a transcendent demigod (a demigod who has obtained full godhood but not lost there human heritage, Asura is another example of a transcendent demigod) there’s only so much BS we can take from other people before we finally snap.
@@creatorsfreedom6734 That he regrets his actions of all the Greek saga? Yeah, and he does, he is trying to avoid Atreus becoming like him, in other words stop him for doing all the same wrong decisions.
I said this in another video that talked also talked about Kratos and his psychology. "A lot of people have forgotten that protagonist does not equal role model. A protagonist is simply the character of which all the events of the story center around."
Gotta give respect on this take, the new GOW games are elevated because of the OG trilogy, kratos is a fascinating character of what happened to him in Greece. Getting the chains in the new game was one of the best/memorable parts, all because of his past
@@iamlordstarbuilder5595 who said they’re ashamed, the old games get brought up a lot In RAGNAROK and the themes correspond that of GOW3 that shows the parallels of how kratos defeated a the gods of Olympus vs the aesir gods.
@@iamlordstarbuilder5595 I think you missed a point their, chief. They're in no way making the prev games look bad. Kratos is ashamed of who he was, but even he says he does not regret doing most things he did. He (and the devs) just say it is time to let go of the past, and find a new purpose/ new way of living
hijacking because this is an important point. Just getting to the point of where Kratos kills his 1st family. Kepp in mind, this was a set up. The fury Kratos kills in ascension takes the form of the same oracle outside the temple, and tells him that his wife and child were not there by chance
the one thing those hack frauds didn't realized is that Kratos' caring nature has always existed before Dad of Boi but Dad of Boi gave Kratos a chance to express that caring nature peacefully anf more lighthearted without the tragedy that he experienced in Greece
AND ALONG CAME ZEUS HE HURLED HIS blade of olympus AND ALONG CAME ZEUS HE HURLED HIS THUNDERBOLT! Jesus dude your comedy timing is flawless, I fucking love it. Subscribed. You had me subscribed just because of showing the world that yes, Kratos has always had depth, no matter how much the gaming industry wants to think otherwise, but just because of that Gospel Truth joke. excellent.
Kratos’s story is truly one of tragedy yet also one of hope also I hate how people just simplified who kratos was in the OG games in the Greek mythology he’s way more of a complex character in those games then what others may say
It's funny because having played the games and looked at this video, I argue that the previous games had a far better story than 2018 as these games succeed both of being a fun as hell action packed experience while also adding nuance and subtleties that make the stories far more interesting to replay through besides the gameplay. Whereas 2018 is largely paced to slow and doesn't have as an exciting journey to engage you also it completely relies on boring info dumps that completely remove any subtleties and largely go over your head as MOST isn't relevant to the actual story. Mimir is the most memorable character for the fact that he regurgitates Norse mythology in a comedic way, as that is more interesting than the actual story.
The subtle stab at fuckin' Odin at roughly 41:50 is only made more magnificent by what Odin ACTUALLY says in Ragnarok. Which only makes me question more story decisions in Ragnarok than i had been questioning prior, but still. Beautiful gut stab right there~
15:15 Watch! The soldiers to the right is reaching for Kratos as he throws the torch into the village. I think the army he led was beginning to doubt him, beginning to fear him as well. Let that sink in. Not even his own brothers in arms wanted to be around him.
That's fair, but having the conversations go like this: Kratos: So if I serve you gods for 10 years, you will remove my visions? Athena: Serve us well, and the gods will forgive your past. Athena wasn't exactly correcting him when he asked.
43:52 - I only heard about this in a comment in another video but I _heard_ that *supposedly* Kratos' mother only got as far as the "Z" in Zeus before the curse took hold to prevent her from speaking. The shock on Kratos' face could be interpreted as him considering the possibility that his father was Zeus, but never was able to confirm it later. Hence still being surprised by the revelation in God of War 2. 1:00:13 - I noticed that too. But I th- 1:05:12 Well... yeah. Exactly that... Also, I think it also is reflected with Gaia constantly popping up to remind Kratos that he needs to use the power of the Sisters of Fate to kill Zeus. Gameplay-wise, it's so that the audience doesn't forget about Gaia and gives them a refresher on their overarching goal if they step away from the game for an extended period. But one could also view it as Gaia attempting to keep Kratos focused on a singular goal so completely that he doesn't have time to stop and contemplate what else he could do with the Sisters' power. 1:04:43 - That fight was so goddamn good that the Zeus fight after felt anticlimactic by comparison. From breaking up the fight with an entirely new environment and scenario, to using their own Time magic and mirrors against them, to the sweet acrobatic movement of both Kratos and the bosses, the tag-team fight that never felt like you were being blindsided because you were forced to divide your focus, to the absolutely instrument-wreakingly epic music, to the tactics changing all the way to the very end with Lahkesis sending out massive columns of energy in a spread pattern just to *_try_* to keep Kratos at bay?!? Aaaaaauuuuuuuuugh!!! *SO* epic! The irony about people talking about the new games being more complex and "grown up now" is that, even without Kratos clearly being completely devastated by the revelation that the nightmares of his past would never leave him and lead him to resort to *suicide* to escape the despair of what he had done... The world of the game _itself_ communicated the nature of Kratos and the Gods right from the beginning: A sailor would rather die than be saved by Kratos, Poseidon wants his seas to be rid of the Hydra yet will not combat it himself nor save man invoking his name. The Gods make Kratos behead Medusa (another victim of the gods in mythology) so that they can turn her into a weapon. Citizens know Kratos and fear him so much as being *near* them, the Gods demaning human sacrifice just to *navigate* the Temple of Pandora, and cursing the first to fail in the temple to serve them even after his death, the souls of the dead become like playthings, used and gifted to Kratos as a weapon.... ...But most telling of all is the story of Pathos Verdes III, the architect of Pandora's temple who was approached by the Gods _directly._ As you read the notes he leaves that mark the progress of the temple's construction, this servant of the Gods becomes more and more disillusioned with them. His sons lose their lives in the construction of the temple and yet he keeps going on and on, turning from a loyal servant to seeing them as cruel and unfeeling. Culminating in the revelation that after losing all but one of his family, when she tried to get him to stop and abandon this fool's errand for the Gods that even the body burner believes had long since abandoned him he kills her in a blinding rage, not unlike Kratos. Even a servant who was always loyal to the Gods would find they didn't care in the slightest for him and would ultimately be left with nothing. His life ended by his own hand, the same route Kratos would try to take. Great video as always. If you're worried about video length driving people away, you could always try breaking them up into parts. Though long videos certainly aren't going to stop me from watching.
The original series is definitively a perfect example of the mentality of "Gameplay > Story" focus. But still have both of them being superb. Both the Greek and Norse stories are fantastic, but they do fit quite neatly in the ways that they are portrayed; A Greek Tragedy, vs something that could be viewed as an old folktale. Anyways, I am happy that you enjoyed the video! Took a lot of research, work, etc. So always neat to get some positive feedback!
Ever since I played the games back in 2019, the GoW series has become one of my favourites. So glad you made this video on this character that is iconic in so many ways!
This has to be the most funniest, entertaining, quirky, and overall informative in a not so boring way towards a discussion about the whole God of War story. You severely lack subscribers, man! Such a good video deserves the best recognition. I really enjoyed it, it was so much fun without a dry air! Awesome
Cory Barlong has grown a lot as a person since then, you can really tell he's trying super hard with the story- he was clearly really immature and arrogant when he was making the God of war games and kratos might have been a reflection of himself and the new kratos might be a reflection of him realizing that in the person he's become. He even admitted in an older interview that he was just trying to match the gory nature of mortal Kombat at first and then he actually fell in love with mythology. Eventually leading to the crossover in MK9. All I know is here in Cory Barlow get emotional over Ragnarok makes me happy.
This is an impressive amount of work....God Level Job Grim...Kudos. I am a huge fan of the long videos format so seeing a vid of an hour+ is actually more appealing to me.
Personally you should have talk a bit more of Hercules boss fight, after all he is the only opponent that Kratos tried to reason with,calling him ''brother'' instead of his name(while with the other he call with their name,except for Zeus),he only start to fight because Hercules envy of Kratos close any pace between the two.
There was a LOT more I wanted to discuss: - That everyone claimed that Kratos had become 'death' incarnate. - That he never activly sought to kill everyone, only the "big bad". - More focus on the idea of betrayl, and his connection to that. - etc. But this video got so long, and I wanted to get it out just around Ragnarok's release. So I had to decide on focusing on the main topic at hand; Hope Vs. Hopelessness.
@@KingJGrim i would love to see the other talking points that weren't able to make it in this video in possibly another video. i really did enjoy watching and listening to a recap of the og saga, specially since there's a lot more to Kratos' story than a lot of others realize.
This is both very informative and haliarious, the editing, your attitude, your sense of humor made my day. Whoever is next i know the next video will be great, regardless if its a franchise im familiar with or not
It's good to see you up and running after the little ''incident''. Honestly this is a ''lot'' of effort put out can't imagine how much it took you, truly thank you for the good content. Edit: So after seeing the crimson line through to the end I can say this; am more concerned with your sanity rather than the length of this, so no complaints really from me. It passes off as another brilliant project sitting in the vintage shelf next to the other beeg bois or gals since last was...you get it.
Don't be shy because of the length of the video, i think that it actually made it pretty cool, i felt like you really had passion, and explained very well without rushing, great video, thanks :)
Thought I had a comment here but i can't find it, so i'll repeat what i THOUGHT i had commented your opening editing, of people talking mad s**t about old vs new kratos is amazing and how I now will always defend old Kratos: *Rage of Sparta intensifies*
@@KingJGrim I heard a lot of really good music in this video. I'd also like to say I like the long video format. It was really in depth and entertaining. Keep it up
This was awesome to watch and learn from, plus, finally someone else sees Kratos, sudelty, is often times best paired with games like this and Devil may cry, it gives them layers and adds to there replay value
I will say this undoubtedly. This channel is underrated and deserves more attention. You go into such depth with your videos and truthfully I haven't seen anyone with the consistency in their videos. I hope your channel gains more followers
For the length of the video, I don't think that it matters how long or how short it is, it matters if the pacing is right. And with the amount of games and other media that was presented, I think this was the right amount of length for such a video. But hey, you do what you feel is right for the video(s)
Absolutely loved this video man. A perfect highlight of how God of War was always a mature franchise and how God of War 4 owes so much of its success to the original Greek era. the video was fantastically edited, the humour and storytelling was on point in every way, and the length felt fully warranted with all the detail you included. Loved it, can't wait for the next one
I was supposed to eat dinner 1 hour 38 minutes and 43 seconds ago... where did all the time go? But honestly man, I am seriously impressed to a point of speechlessness. Please continue the amazing work and don't make it 6 months for me to miss dinner again!
@@KingJGrim I feel like I (or rather we) should be the one(s) thanking you. It is hard enough to do such an in depth video like this already but the humor in there is just the cherry on top.
I can't believe it's taken me this long to realize that one clip of the guy shooting at the Swedish soldier and missing was a parody of the end of the Siege of Fredriksten and the death of Charles XII. And I call myself a history buff...
In answer to the ending, these length of videos are honestly my favorite. I work a hard labor job and when I get home I just want to sit down with something to relax to. The Tube Troll may favor short videos that keep people clicking, I prefer long videos that keep me glued.
Just started the vid and as a big GOW fan I thought I'd share my two cents. One thing I love about Greek era Kratos is that he is this invincible unstoppable beast, and yet he always loses in some way. Sure, he kills his enemy, but he's always the one left suffering because of it. In Ascension, he frees himself from the Furies illusions, but as a result he's left with the traumatic nightmares that would haunt him the rest of his life. In Chains of Olympus he manages to save the world and his daughter, but at the cost of having to abandon her forever. In the first game he finally gets his revenge on Ares, but he isn't relieved of his nightmares and isn't even allowed to take his own life to make the nightmares stop. In Ghost of Sparta he finds and frees his long lost brother Deimos, only for Deimos to die mere minutes later. And throughout 2 and 3 he finally gets vengeance on Zeus, but at the cost of destroying everything, even including the last person Kratos cared for as a reminder of his daughter.
I love the length of the video personally. I also understand that it isn't typically worth doing a super long video that takes months to research, write, edit, etc. I just enjoy this style of content. Deep dives and you've got a way with your writing that is super engaging! I can't wait for what comes next and I know that no matter what it is, it's going to be great!
LOVE THE VIDEO. This might be my favourite video of yours right alongside the Vergil video I enjoy the length of the video, it has never really been a problem cause the entire video is excellent in both writing and entertaining content. You tackled the lore and psychology of a character for 6-7 games, no wonder it makes for a big video. I'm of the mind that if the subject matter calls for a longer video then it should get it or else it will have gaps, errors and wouldn't be able to present a complete idea.
It was either one long video, or two "normal" 'In The Mind of' projects. Decided on the former, so this worked almost like a small test to see if people would be okay with that. Feedback has been positive so far, so...
Just getting to the point of where Kratos kills his 1st family. Kepp in mind, this was a set up. The fury Kratos kills in ascension takes the form of the same oracle outside the temple, and tells him that his wife and child were not there by chance
I love this kind of video. The first one I’ve watched from your channel was the mind of Apollyon, of whom was one of my fav char. I normally don’t sit through hours of a video but these are the ones I’m willing to sit and watch, listen, trying to hang onto every word.
@@KingJGrim Nah, m8. You good. Only at one point I had to rewind to figure out what you said😅 but it didn’t put me off. You still did a spectacular job!
Before watching the video: Haha funny slasher with lore go brrr After watching the video: *Insert uncanny Mr Incredible* Btw, I played Ghost of Sparta and Chains of Olympus, so I already had an understanding what this game about, but this is still such a huge lore dump, you did a godlike work, watch out for some angry greek man on the streets XD
great long form video, your comedic styling shines through so well here. the length of the video really let the jokes have room to breath while still having them serve as good segues and funny ends to long segments of explanation. it does a really good job to show off what your usually compressed pace can't and made for one of the best videos i've seen from you. fucking phenomenal work bro
Damn, what a comment... In the future, I'll make videos as long as they need to be. While this video hasn't "popped off" in views, the feedback, and the video itself, has been great! So thanks again!
As great a 'Greek' character Kratos is in the original series, I would argue his Norse self is actually more... Spartan. He's a lot more Laconic for starters. OG Kratos is, by Spartan standards, a bit of a chatterbox.
I like how people see kratos in game is how some people in real life see kratos someone who couldn't change and a monster it's also annoying kratos has always been a good character
This was one hell of a retrospective. If you can keep up the quality I have no issues with long form content. That said you do sound exhausted. So go at your own pace. It's worked out well for you so far.
Dude... thank god u made this it allways killed me inside how people say kratos was a bland rage charater and i had no patiencd to debate people on this, Kratos was a very deep and tragic charater
This vid deserves an extra '000 to the views! Excellent content, excellent summary, quality memes, and great editing. Came from your dmc videos, keep up the great work!!
Your commentary made it entertaining it’s evident you poured lots of energy into made an hour plus long video feel like ten minutes thank you look forward to more
This was a fantastic video I will always prefer a long video that has a lot of effort and heart put into it rather then a short video that doesn't have much to say and is easily forgotten hope you are able to continue to make great videos like this one.
I missed these videos man happy to see this before I get ragnarok. Is it harder to split the videos into parts if you feel like the video is to long or do you not like making videos into parts?
You mean "parts" within a single video? Never really made a video on such a big character (having six games, and comics, etc.), so was a bit unsure on how to go about it. Overall, I do prefer having ONE video with all the info one can gather, as long as the story is consistent... Was that the answer you were looking for?
Thank you for replying I meant the parts as different videos like covers the first video should cover god of war 1 and gost of spada then part 2 covers 2 and 3. But if you prefer it like this that is cool I just thought that might make it easier if videos for long characters are in more than one video
Length wise good. The hosting wonderful. you have a good personality for it. The editing is incredibly hilarious, some of these jokes are so spot on. My only criticism towards the video is the overlook at the release order of the games which affected the egregious plot holes and retcons of the content which, for me hampered the stories weight. I'm glad you covered the father angle as it is a great example and pairing it with Cory shows little regard for the art of storytelling which feeds the idea of why some would otherwise look at God of War as just "edgelord fantasy" because the writer sort of gives credence to the idea of how some story tellers are with their universes. They care little about narrative consequences and want to change the narrative to there whim rather than the hand they are dealt with and it causes a sacrifice for narrative cohesion just to tick emotional boxes and cool moments. An example is the retcon from God of War (2005) is that the Pantheon is corrupt by the evils after Kratos Open Pandora's box despite God of War: Ascension (2013) taking place before those events meaning Zeus was already paranoid at the prophecy of his off spring coming to kill him. Which is stranger still that the games hade Marianne Krawczyk yet there is not really to well cohesion placed amongst the titles. God of War is an interesting product to analyze and hopefully if this video performs well you can begin the journey into the Norse era and if if so perhaps point out the omissions and inconsistencies because its important for budding writers to see errors and learn how to avoid them or even see obstacles but overcome them with clever writing because it can allow for remarkable twists and turns. Thank you for the content you've provided you are a wonderful host and content creator and looking through your library will be a learning experience.
Hey hey! Glad you enjoyed this "little" project. As for the inconsistencies, plot-holes, retcons, etc... My 'In The Mind of' series isn't really there to critically analyse the writing, but more to look into a character from a bit of a different perspective. There are people out there making content just picking written work apart, but I look at the strongpoints, and try to weave it all into a fun, story-video. Sometimes I do like to joke around, if there are anything worth making fun off, in this case Cory Barlog's nonchalance towards the narrative, but overall, I want my videos to be primarily just elevating characters. Hopefully, it is worth the hard work!
Thank you for the wonderful work. As for me, the original is still self-sufficient, as in many other series of games, despite the rather strong sequels. And of course it's worth noting that the GAMEPLAY scene with the protection of the family in a nightmare controlled by Ares beats all attempts to play on the pity in Dad of Son.
I think the medium of video games have the ability to truly invest those who care. Having that gameplay-segment, of protecting your family from yourself, be the hardest part of the game, is just something truly extraordinary.
Btw neat piece of info even though he used two different versions of his classic blades in the last 3 games kratos actually never really had lost the blades of chaos due to a final fuck you from ares to kratos he put a curse on the blades so that they would stay with kratos no matter how hard he tried to get rid of them
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Oh yeah I was wondering bout that just now cuz I wanted to continue watching this video but nvm
@@Mali-pv2tu Can you no longer watch it?
@@KingJGrim Nope, sadly not anymore since it got age-restricted and I never really needed to watch out for that but well:') It's alright ig
@@KingJGrim Same for me, really wanted to watch it too.
@@vwolfee5046 Hey, currently talking to the YT peepz, and soon fixed...
Kratos was always a deep character, rich with emotion and compassion.
Have people really forgotten?
The angriest and coldest people in the world are sometimes the most emphatic, and they're pissed, but with good reason.
Sometines i think people can't see past his Rage because of the violênce, also they see the sex minigames and decide that the game IS not worth a deeper look into its themes despise being accurate to How greek tragedies where told
The evil thing is Marketing that is ready to put the past series in a bad light :(
@@petwisk2012 Well, I'd say old Kratos had depth to him that was never explored much which I believe was always the point and now it's being explored with new Kratos
Yeah all they had to do was sit down and discuss like calm and reasonable people.
@@rdcarbonk1885 the toxic purists side of the God Of War fandom only made people love New Kratos more
"And then along came Zeus", almost every Greek story.
“He came.”
tbh "He hurled his thunder bolts" can be taken... _that_ way as well.
The OG of "He just couldn't keep it in him DAMN PANTS"
People seem to look at God of War 3 alone and view it as a complete summarization of Kratos's character. Not one of these hacks realizes that GoW3 is Kratos finally reaching his breaking point after decades of the Gods screwing over him and his entire family.
That’s exactly right. Kratos is still human just like all of us despite being a transcendent demigod (a demigod who has obtained full godhood but not lost there human heritage, Asura is another example of a transcendent demigod) there’s only so much BS we can take from other people before we finally snap.
You would think the Numbers in the title would help let em know they don't know the whole story
Kratos, the most BRUTAL Greek God than most, even a worthy Mortal Kombat guest character.
Isn't he a character in MK ?
@@thewanderingartists
Mortal Kombat (2011) was where Kratos made his guest appearance.
is the reboot supposed to make me think that Dad of Boi regret's ?
And he was a guest character in Soul calibur Broken destiny, with his both appearance.. Gow1 and Gow2
@@creatorsfreedom6734 That he regrets his actions of all the Greek saga? Yeah, and he does, he is trying to avoid Atreus becoming like him, in other words stop him for doing all the same wrong decisions.
I said this in another video that talked also talked about Kratos and his psychology.
"A lot of people have forgotten that protagonist does not equal role model. A protagonist is simply the character of which all the events of the story center around."
Gotta give respect on this take, the new GOW games are elevated because of the OG trilogy, kratos is a fascinating character of what happened to him in Greece. Getting the chains in the new game was one of the best/memorable parts, all because of his past
Yeah.
Dad of Boi is an amazing experience, but the entire thing is about Dad not wanting Boi to turn out as Dad used to be...
boi
@@KingJGrim I dunno tbh, I don't particularly like how even the game itself kind of puts away these games like the devs are ashamed of making it.
@@iamlordstarbuilder5595 who said they’re ashamed, the old games get brought up a lot In RAGNAROK and the themes correspond that of GOW3 that shows the parallels of how kratos defeated a the gods of Olympus vs the aesir gods.
@@iamlordstarbuilder5595 I don't think they are ashamed at all, especially since they reference the old games a lot especially in ragnarok
@@iamlordstarbuilder5595 I think you missed a point their, chief. They're in no way making the prev games look bad. Kratos is ashamed of who he was, but even he says he does not regret doing most things he did. He (and the devs) just say it is time to let go of the past, and find a new purpose/ new way of living
The length was necessary to cover the story of Kratos during the Greek Mythology arc. That hope line towards the end was beautiful
hijacking because this is an important point. Just getting to the point of where Kratos kills his 1st family. Kepp in mind, this was a set up. The fury Kratos kills in ascension takes the form of the same oracle outside the temple, and tells him that his wife and child were not there by chance
the one thing those hack frauds didn't realized is that Kratos' caring nature has always existed before Dad of Boi
but Dad of Boi gave Kratos a chance to express that caring nature peacefully anf more lighthearted without the tragedy that he experienced in Greece
Great take on Kratos’s reasoning for not going further back in time helps me sleep better
AND ALONG CAME ZEUS
HE HURLED HIS blade of olympus
AND ALONG CAME ZEUS
HE HURLED HIS THUNDERBOLT!
Jesus dude your comedy timing is flawless, I fucking love it. Subscribed. You had me subscribed just because of showing the world that yes, Kratos has always had depth, no matter how much the gaming industry wants to think otherwise, but just because of that Gospel Truth joke. excellent.
The Hercules moment was so funny, didn't expect that.
Hercules did beat the odds and the odds return the favor. Lol
"Don't fail her like you failed your family!" It was at that moment when he knew...he fucked up. 🤦
Kratos’s story is truly one of tragedy yet also one of hope also I hate how people just simplified who kratos was in the OG games in the Greek mythology he’s way more of a complex character in those games then what others may say
It's funny because having played the games and looked at this video, I argue that the previous games had a far better story than 2018 as these games succeed both of being a fun as hell action packed experience while also adding nuance and subtleties that make the stories far more interesting to replay through besides the gameplay. Whereas 2018 is largely paced to slow and doesn't have as an exciting journey to engage you also it completely relies on boring info dumps that completely remove any subtleties and largely go over your head as MOST isn't relevant to the actual story. Mimir is the most memorable character for the fact that he regurgitates Norse mythology in a comedic way, as that is more interesting than the actual story.
@@YEY0806 all the things you said didn’t stop it from being beloved game
he is aware of his mistakes and the consequences yet still keeps going further ,he is a flat character in the Greek games.
The subtle stab at fuckin' Odin at roughly 41:50 is only made more magnificent by what Odin ACTUALLY says in Ragnarok. Which only makes me question more story decisions in Ragnarok than i had been questioning prior, but still. Beautiful gut stab right there~
15:15 Watch! The soldiers to the right is reaching for Kratos as he throws the torch into the village. I think the army he led was beginning to doubt him, beginning to fear him as well. Let that sink in. Not even his own brothers in arms wanted to be around him.
Honestly, to be fair, I never saw one scene where the gods promise, word by word, that they would take away Kratos' nightmares.
That's fair, but having the conversations go like this:
Kratos: So if I serve you gods for 10 years, you will remove my visions?
Athena: Serve us well, and the gods will forgive your past.
Athena wasn't exactly correcting him when he asked.
@@KingJGrim Athena is also the gods' lawyer apparently
43:52 - I only heard about this in a comment in another video but I _heard_ that *supposedly* Kratos' mother only got as far as the "Z" in Zeus before the curse took hold to prevent her from speaking. The shock on Kratos' face could be interpreted as him considering the possibility that his father was Zeus, but never was able to confirm it later. Hence still being surprised by the revelation in God of War 2.
1:00:13 - I noticed that too. But I th- 1:05:12
Well... yeah. Exactly that... Also, I think it also is reflected with Gaia constantly popping up to remind Kratos that he needs to use the power of the Sisters of Fate to kill Zeus. Gameplay-wise, it's so that the audience doesn't forget about Gaia and gives them a refresher on their overarching goal if they step away from the game for an extended period. But one could also view it as Gaia attempting to keep Kratos focused on a singular goal so completely that he doesn't have time to stop and contemplate what else he could do with the Sisters' power.
1:04:43 - That fight was so goddamn good that the Zeus fight after felt anticlimactic by comparison. From breaking up the fight with an entirely new environment and scenario, to using their own Time magic and mirrors against them, to the sweet acrobatic movement of both Kratos and the bosses, the tag-team fight that never felt like you were being blindsided because you were forced to divide your focus, to the absolutely instrument-wreakingly epic music, to the tactics changing all the way to the very end with Lahkesis sending out massive columns of energy in a spread pattern just to *_try_* to keep Kratos at bay?!? Aaaaaauuuuuuuuugh!!! *SO* epic!
The irony about people talking about the new games being more complex and "grown up now" is that, even without Kratos clearly being completely devastated by the revelation that the nightmares of his past would never leave him and lead him to resort to *suicide* to escape the despair of what he had done... The world of the game _itself_ communicated the nature of Kratos and the Gods right from the beginning: A sailor would rather die than be saved by Kratos, Poseidon wants his seas to be rid of the Hydra yet will not combat it himself nor save man invoking his name. The Gods make Kratos behead Medusa (another victim of the gods in mythology) so that they can turn her into a weapon. Citizens know Kratos and fear him so much as being *near* them, the Gods demaning human sacrifice just to *navigate* the Temple of Pandora, and cursing the first to fail in the temple to serve them even after his death, the souls of the dead become like playthings, used and gifted to Kratos as a weapon....
...But most telling of all is the story of Pathos Verdes III, the architect of Pandora's temple who was approached by the Gods _directly._ As you read the notes he leaves that mark the progress of the temple's construction, this servant of the Gods becomes more and more disillusioned with them. His sons lose their lives in the construction of the temple and yet he keeps going on and on, turning from a loyal servant to seeing them as cruel and unfeeling. Culminating in the revelation that after losing all but one of his family, when she tried to get him to stop and abandon this fool's errand for the Gods that even the body burner believes had long since abandoned him he kills her in a blinding rage, not unlike Kratos. Even a servant who was always loyal to the Gods would find they didn't care in the slightest for him and would ultimately be left with nothing. His life ended by his own hand, the same route Kratos would try to take.
Great video as always. If you're worried about video length driving people away, you could always try breaking them up into parts. Though long videos certainly aren't going to stop me from watching.
The original series is definitively a perfect example of the mentality of "Gameplay > Story" focus. But still have both of them being superb.
Both the Greek and Norse stories are fantastic, but they do fit quite neatly in the ways that they are portrayed; A Greek Tragedy, vs something that could be viewed as an old folktale.
Anyways, I am happy that you enjoyed the video! Took a lot of research, work, etc. So always neat to get some positive feedback!
One of my favorite trailers was the trailer for God of War Ascension because it captured the tragedy of Kratos in about a minute
Ever since I played the games back in 2019, the GoW series has become one of my favourites. So glad you made this video on this character that is iconic in so many ways!
1:18:30 you ain't sh!t for that lmao
I remember hearing his labored breathing at the end of 3 when I was younger, and that shi had me in tears.
This has to be the most funniest, entertaining, quirky, and overall informative in a not so boring way towards a discussion about the whole God of War story.
You severely lack subscribers, man! Such a good video deserves the best recognition. I really enjoyed it, it was so much fun without a dry air!
Awesome
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed this weird little video!
When you screamed "by the gods" about hades playing I got SO hyped
Cory Barlong has grown a lot as a person since then, you can really tell he's trying super hard with the story- he was clearly really immature and arrogant when he was making the God of war games and kratos might have been a reflection of himself and the new kratos might be a reflection of him realizing that in the person he's become.
He even admitted in an older interview that he was just trying to match the gory nature of mortal Kombat at first and then he actually fell in love with mythology. Eventually leading to the crossover in MK9.
All I know is here in Cory Barlow get emotional over Ragnarok makes me happy.
Sure am Glad to See u back.
Good to hear u on the Topic of how Kratos was always a great Tragic Character.
One of the best RUclips videos of 2022. Really love these deep dive videos.
Congratulations. You just destroyed one of our childhood Disney heroes.
52:08 I recognize that laugh, it's very similar to Mannoroth's laugh, from Warcraft III
Oh man! You're right.
This video is so well made! Thanks for the awesome amount of effort!
Yooo Zesty. What a surprise to find you here, you're pretty good
This is an impressive amount of work....God Level Job Grim...Kudos. I am a huge fan of the long videos format so seeing a vid of an hour+ is actually more appealing to me.
Happy to hear so.
I'm always a bit worried about the length because of pacing. But means a lot to hear!
This is honestly the best video on the character of Kratos I've seen so far. So much effort put into it. Can't wait for your norse era video!!!
I'll try not to disappoint!
Personally you should have talk a bit more of Hercules boss fight, after all he is the only opponent that Kratos tried to reason with,calling him ''brother'' instead of his name(while with the other he call with their name,except for Zeus),he only start to fight because Hercules envy of Kratos close any pace between the two.
There was a LOT more I wanted to discuss:
- That everyone claimed that Kratos had become 'death' incarnate.
- That he never activly sought to kill everyone, only the "big bad".
- More focus on the idea of betrayl, and his connection to that.
- etc.
But this video got so long, and I wanted to get it out just around Ragnarok's release. So I had to decide on focusing on the main topic at hand; Hope Vs. Hopelessness.
@@KingJGrim yeah I understand.
@@KingJGrim i would love to see the other talking points that weren't able to make it in this video in possibly another video. i really did enjoy watching and listening to a recap of the og saga, specially since there's a lot more to Kratos' story than a lot of others realize.
Wake up babe a new "in the mind of" video!
This is in all honesty one of my favourite ongoing series' on youtube
Damn, I'll try to keep stuff coming out.
This is both very informative and haliarious, the editing, your attitude, your sense of humor made my day. Whoever is next i know the next video will be great, regardless if its a franchise im familiar with or not
Fun Fact: The yodeling you hear at 56:53 is Hannes Schroll, a professional skiier and the originator of the Goofy Holler.
It's good to see you up and running after the little ''incident''. Honestly this is a ''lot'' of effort put out can't imagine how much it took you, truly thank you for the good content.
Edit: So after seeing the crimson line through to the end I can say this; am more concerned with your sanity rather than the length of this, so no complaints really from me. It passes off as another brilliant project sitting in the vintage shelf next to the other beeg bois or gals since last was...you get it.
incident??
@@spymaster3366 ye well his youtube channel got hijacked and all that.
Don't be shy because of the length of the video, i think that it actually made it pretty cool, i felt like you really had passion, and explained very well without rushing, great video, thanks :)
You're the true hero, Grim! You do the characters justice!
THANKS!
Kratos is the example of both a Greek hero and Greek tragedy.
Thought I had a comment here but i can't find it, so i'll repeat what i THOUGHT i had commented
your opening editing, of people talking mad s**t about old vs new kratos is amazing and how I now will always defend old Kratos: *Rage of Sparta intensifies*
Looking through all those reviews/interviews... was a painful experience
@@KingJGrim I salute your determination for going through all that pain. Your dedication to your craft is commendable!
You had my attention the entire time. Unlike other videos of this length, this one did not make me sleepy. Serious talent. More power to you.
Thanks!
You were worried about this video?? WHY GRIM? This was fantastic, my new favorite video, Vergil was my favorite prior to this. Great job!
Happy that you enjoyed it!
Thanks for the in depth coverage, it must not have been easy given the length of the video.
30:20 This is an OST from Gauntlet: Dark Legacy
Good ear!
@@KingJGrim Its Sumner's tower if I'm remembering right
@@KingJGrim I heard a lot of really good music in this video. I'd also like to say I like the long video format. It was really in depth and entertaining. Keep it up
Man, i haven't even started the video but i now i will love it. Kratos is such an amazing character and i will suffer to see him die.
Holy wow, this was amazing! Such love and care is evident in every line.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Great work man, I felt the pacing was good first and foremost, the editing was nice and I gotta watch again later.
absolutely amazing editing for an entire hour and a half video
Took a lot of work. But I like how it turned out!
The legend returns after so long! A perfect video as always!
Please make a video of Death from Darksiders!
This was awesome to watch and learn from, plus, finally someone else sees Kratos, sudelty, is often times best paired with games like this and Devil may cry, it gives them layers and adds to there replay value
Commenting for the algorithm but, once again you killed it. Great video!
Thanks for the help!
2:00: BOI
11:39: *BOI INTENSIFIES.*
I will say this undoubtedly. This channel is underrated and deserves more attention. You go into such depth with your videos and truthfully I haven't seen anyone with the consistency in their videos. I hope your channel gains more followers
For the length of the video, I don't think that it matters how long or how short it is, it matters if the pacing is right. And with the amount of games and other media that was presented, I think this was the right amount of length for such a video. But hey, you do what you feel is right for the video(s)
Absolutely loved this video man. A perfect highlight of how God of War was always a mature franchise and how God of War 4 owes so much of its success to the original Greek era. the video was fantastically edited, the humour and storytelling was on point in every way, and the length felt fully warranted with all the detail you included. Loved it, can't wait for the next one
I was supposed to eat dinner 1 hour 38 minutes and 43 seconds ago... where did all the time go?
But honestly man, I am seriously impressed to a point of speechlessness. Please continue the amazing work and don't make it 6 months for me to miss dinner again!
Thanks.
After working so hard on this thing, always wonderful in getting comments like these!
@@KingJGrim I feel like I (or rather we) should be the one(s) thanking you. It is hard enough to do such an in depth video like this already but the humor in there is just the cherry on top.
I can't believe it's taken me this long to realize that one clip of the guy shooting at the Swedish soldier and missing was a parody of the end of the Siege of Fredriksten and the death of Charles XII. And I call myself a history buff...
57:09 SUS enters the picture
Kratos was pretty angry in the previous games but he always had depth. Its just sorta buried a bit under all the carnage.
Amazing video, holy hell. I loved your way of story telling, immersive and impactful with a bit of nice dark humor :)
In answer to the ending, these length of videos are honestly my favorite. I work a hard labor job and when I get home I just want to sit down with something to relax to.
The Tube Troll may favor short videos that keep people clicking, I prefer long videos that keep me glued.
If this vid kept you focused throughout the entire thing, then I am truly honored!
I deeply enjoyed this analytical dissection of Kratos’ mind. Fun fact, this was actually the first video of yours I saw. I was so impressed, I subbed.
Thanks!
Will have to warn you though, next video is a censored version of this one, as RUclips age-restricted this project.
@@KingJGrim No worries, I get you. I'm a patient type. B)
I've taken it as she told him it was a God who was his father. The curse overtaking her before she could tell him which.
Just started the vid and as a big GOW fan I thought I'd share my two cents. One thing I love about Greek era Kratos is that he is this invincible unstoppable beast, and yet he always loses in some way. Sure, he kills his enemy, but he's always the one left suffering because of it. In Ascension, he frees himself from the Furies illusions, but as a result he's left with the traumatic nightmares that would haunt him the rest of his life. In Chains of Olympus he manages to save the world and his daughter, but at the cost of having to abandon her forever. In the first game he finally gets his revenge on Ares, but he isn't relieved of his nightmares and isn't even allowed to take his own life to make the nightmares stop. In Ghost of Sparta he finds and frees his long lost brother Deimos, only for Deimos to die mere minutes later. And throughout 2 and 3 he finally gets vengeance on Zeus, but at the cost of destroying everything, even including the last person Kratos cared for as a reminder of his daughter.
Sooo...
Did you enjoy the video?
@@KingJGrim I thought it was excellent and can't wait to see whenever you tackle the norse era
I didn't even know about ascension until years after it was out.After playing it i learned why
Ascension is a good game, it's just that it came out after GoW 3... which obiviously will create some difficulties in pleasing.
I love the length of the video personally. I also understand that it isn't typically worth doing a super long video that takes months to research, write, edit, etc. I just enjoy this style of content. Deep dives and you've got a way with your writing that is super engaging! I can't wait for what comes next and I know that no matter what it is, it's going to be great!
Fantastic work as always good luck with whatever comes next! And remember to take a breath and relax
What is breath and relax?
Agreed lol
after everything that happened this year, glad to have you back Grim! See you next vid in like.... 6 months this time? :3c
Thanks! Means a ton!
Let's make it 12!
LOVE THE VIDEO. This might be my favourite video of yours right alongside the Vergil video
I enjoy the length of the video, it has never really been a problem cause the entire video is excellent in both writing and entertaining content. You tackled the lore and psychology of a character for 6-7 games, no wonder it makes for a big video. I'm of the mind that if the subject matter calls for a longer video then it should get it or else it will have gaps, errors and wouldn't be able to present a complete idea.
It was either one long video, or two "normal" 'In The Mind of' projects.
Decided on the former, so this worked almost like a small test to see if people would be okay with that.
Feedback has been positive so far, so...
Just getting to the point of where Kratos kills his 1st family. Kepp in mind, this was a set up. The fury Kratos kills in ascension takes the form of the same oracle outside the temple, and tells him that his wife and child were not there by chance
Automatic like. You're video about Vergil was outstanding!!!
I quite liked the video and watched to the end. Good recap.
I love this kind of video. The first one I’ve watched from your channel was the mind of Apollyon, of whom was one of my fav char. I normally don’t sit through hours of a video but these are the ones I’m willing to sit and watch, listen, trying to hang onto every word.
Hope my weird accent didn't make it too difficult!
@@KingJGrim Nah, m8. You good. Only at one point I had to rewind to figure out what you said😅 but it didn’t put me off. You still did a spectacular job!
Before watching the video:
Haha funny slasher with lore go brrr
After watching the video:
*Insert uncanny Mr Incredible*
Btw, I played Ghost of Sparta and Chains of Olympus, so I already had an understanding what this game about, but this is still such a huge lore dump, you did a godlike work, watch out for some angry greek man on the streets XD
great long form video, your comedic styling shines through so well here. the length of the video really let the jokes have room to breath while still having them serve as good segues and funny ends to long segments of explanation. it does a really good job to show off what your usually compressed pace can't and made for one of the best videos i've seen from you. fucking phenomenal work bro
Damn, what a comment...
In the future, I'll make videos as long as they need to be. While this video hasn't "popped off" in views, the feedback, and the video itself, has been great!
So thanks again!
@@KingJGrim fuck yeah, i've been here since in the mind of doomguy and I'm excited as hell to see where you take your content!
I've seen quite a few ads so it seems it didn't get demonized, which is good
It didn't!
So lucky me!
Still, sorry for the ads if there are too many of them.
Wanted to balance them throuhout this long vid.
@@KingJGrim it was about one ad during the transition of each game
@@rootedcorgi7742 Would you, as a viewer, say that it worked well? (While hopefully understanding that adds are a necessity)
@@KingJGrim I completely understand ads are a necessity and yes, it worked well
As great a 'Greek' character Kratos is in the original series, I would argue his Norse self is actually more... Spartan.
He's a lot more Laconic for starters.
OG Kratos is, by Spartan standards, a bit of a chatterbox.
I like how people see kratos in game is how some people in real life see kratos someone who couldn't change and a monster it's also annoying kratos has always been a good character
Never forget, arrogance has screwed Kratos over his entire life. The hand in GoW2 was just the best example of it.
Awesome video man. Many critics seem to not understand that kratos was always a deep character.
This was one hell of a retrospective. If you can keep up the quality I have no issues with long form content. That said you do sound exhausted. So go at your own pace. It's worked out well for you so far.
Dude... thank god u made this it allways killed me inside how people say kratos was a bland rage charater and i had no patiencd to debate people on this, Kratos was a very deep and tragic charater
Kratos: Do you see, gods of Olympus? Do you need more proof than this?
*Gets smashed by Colossus' hand.*
Gods: Yes😜
Thank you I love your videos. I'm so happy you finally did a GOW video
I did make it to the end and i find the length to be just fine.
This vid deserves an extra '000 to the views! Excellent content, excellent summary, quality memes, and great editing. Came from your dmc videos, keep up the great work!!
Your commentary made it entertaining it’s evident you poured lots of energy into made an hour plus long video feel like ten minutes thank you look forward to more
This was a fantastic video I will always prefer a long video that has a lot of effort and heart put into it rather then a short video that doesn't have much to say and is easily forgotten hope you are able to continue to make great videos like this one.
I missed these videos man happy to see this before I get ragnarok.
Is it harder to split the videos into parts if you feel like the video is to long or do you not like making videos into parts?
You mean "parts" within a single video?
Never really made a video on such a big character (having six games, and comics, etc.), so was a bit unsure on how to go about it.
Overall, I do prefer having ONE video with all the info one can gather, as long as the story is consistent...
Was that the answer you were looking for?
Thank you for replying I meant the parts as different videos like covers the first video should cover god of war 1 and gost of spada then part 2 covers 2 and 3. But if you prefer it like this that is cool I just thought that might make it easier if videos for long characters are in more than one video
Length wise good.
The hosting wonderful. you have a good personality for it.
The editing is incredibly hilarious, some of these jokes are so spot on.
My only criticism towards the video is the overlook at the release order of the games which affected the egregious plot holes and retcons of the content which, for me hampered the stories weight. I'm glad you covered the father angle as it is a great example and pairing it with Cory shows little regard for the art of storytelling which feeds the idea of why some would otherwise look at God of War as just "edgelord fantasy" because the writer sort of gives credence to the idea of how some story tellers are with their universes. They care little about narrative consequences and want to change the narrative to there whim rather than the hand they are dealt with and it causes a sacrifice for narrative cohesion just to tick emotional boxes and cool moments. An example is the retcon from God of War (2005) is that the Pantheon is corrupt by the evils after Kratos Open Pandora's box despite God of War: Ascension (2013) taking place before those events meaning Zeus was already paranoid at the prophecy of his off spring coming to kill him. Which is stranger still that the games hade Marianne Krawczyk yet there is not really to well cohesion placed amongst the titles.
God of War is an interesting product to analyze and hopefully if this video performs well you can begin the journey into the Norse era and if if so perhaps point out the omissions and inconsistencies because its important for budding writers to see errors and learn how to avoid them or even see obstacles but overcome them with clever writing because it can allow for remarkable twists and turns.
Thank you for the content you've provided you are a wonderful host and content creator and looking through your library will be a learning experience.
Hey hey!
Glad you enjoyed this "little" project.
As for the inconsistencies, plot-holes, retcons, etc...
My 'In The Mind of' series isn't really there to critically analyse the writing, but more to look into a character from a bit of a different perspective.
There are people out there making content just picking written work apart, but I look at the strongpoints, and try to weave it all into a fun, story-video.
Sometimes I do like to joke around, if there are anything worth making fun off, in this case Cory Barlog's nonchalance towards the narrative, but overall, I want my videos to be primarily just elevating characters.
Hopefully, it is worth the hard work!
Zeus, the most sussy character throughout the story
I was 14 when I watched In Mind Of Corvo, Now I’m 19 times flies.
Will you do a video like this but for the norse era? Jeg er norsk selv og elsker norrøn mytologi. Fantastisk video!
Thank you for the wonderful work. As for me, the original is still self-sufficient, as in many other series of games, despite the rather strong sequels. And of course it's worth noting that the GAMEPLAY scene with the protection of the family in a nightmare controlled by Ares beats all attempts to play on the pity in Dad of Son.
I think the medium of video games have the ability to truly invest those who care.
Having that gameplay-segment, of protecting your family from yourself, be the hardest part of the game, is just something truly extraordinary.
A really great video it deserves more and thanks for your great work king
I like the length of the video! Very nice one!
Btw neat piece of info even though he used two different versions of his classic blades in the last 3 games kratos actually never really had lost the blades of chaos due to a final fuck you from ares to kratos he put a curse on the blades so that they would stay with kratos no matter how hard he tried to get rid of them
even after playing every single game again recently ( including the new ragnarok ) I still saw the whole video... his fucking story is just amazing
It really is!
Epic Video.
Epic Comment