Yeah! I was like, “Norma, you are being awfully candid on what you know. Do you WANT to get murdered?” And then Pauline just…ignores it. Talk about ego on Pauline’s part. I bet she thought no one could ever figure her out.
@@snarkywallflower5829 Pauline may be a ghost, but she probably doesn't know all that much about magic or Pugsley's abilities. She has no real reason to suspect it's Norma. Regardless of the lyrics tearing her down, she saw a perfect host putting on a *hell* of a show
I think Pauline just cares about looks and vibes, she dosent care what they say or think about her unless it’s praise. She probably took the negatives as a compliments too since she’s so egotistical Either that or she assumed that Norma was just another “I can do you better then you can” fan
I would just like to put a spotlight about how much Badyah cares for and understands Norma, that even through a spell she's able to recognise her. Like not even necessarily in a romantic way, soulmates.
In a lot of shows, Norma would be punished for liking Pauline so much. There would be this collective "I told you so" moment. And I'm happy this show mostly avoided that.
I think this is probably the greatest way media has explained and portrayed the fallout of a parasocial relationship going wrong, when the person you idolized and put on a pedestal and designed a persona and expectations for in your head fails everything in one fell swoop and brings you knowledge of the reality that they’re a terrible person. I still haven’t watched Paranormal Park, or gained context beyond this song, but I feel very seen by this depiction, as stuff like that has happened to me before and I feel like people don’t have as good of an understanding of how parasocial relationships affect people negatively as much as they do positively. I’ll come back here once I’ve watched the show and learned more! UPDATE: Bingewatched the show, LOGS AND BARNEY EPISODE TEN. FALL OUT MAN (PATRICK STUMP) WROTE ALL THE SONGS INCLUDING THIS ONE. GO WATCH IT NOW
Yes, yes, YES!!! Listening to this song was like listening to all the feelings I had about Rowling and Disney lately into song and it is amazing!! I related to Norma so hard though the show and having her sing this song was the cherry on top for me!! I’m so happy I found this show!
i will say. the one thing i don't like about this scene is that it depicts the harms of parasocial relationships without actually pointing out that norma should have never engaged in one in the first place, which feels like something that absolutely should have been included if they wanted to discuss parasocial relationships in a way accessible to kids. it sort of shifts the blame onto pauline for being bad, when it should have pointed out that the responsibility was on norma to refrain from basing her self identity on a person she's never met
@@ideapressproductions1864 fyi though! there are definitely some really good moments aside from this where norma overcomes her desire to continue the parasocial relationship into unhealthy territory, so it's still really good overall, and i would recommend watching further if yr interested in seeing more of that discussion. not perfect, but i can't think of any other kid's show that's discussed it, so a 7/10 isn't bad at all here
I hope that in season 2 we will have the chance to see how Norma deals with the fallout of the Pauline fiasco. I mean it must have been so hard for her given she’s based her whole life around Pauline Phoenix. She’s got anxiety and low social skills and her whole world shattered when her idol turned out to be an egotistical bodysnatcher. I just hope with the relationships she’s built with the Phoenix Park employees Norma will be able to pull herself out of this funk.
Pauline gave Norma life, like Victor Frankenstein gave his monster life. And both of them were betrayed by the person who gave them life. And so Norma, just like the monster, is now making it her mission to take down her 'creator.' :)
I am so glad They used Frankenstein as the Creatir and not the Monster. A lot of people get that wrong, and I understand why, but, it’s always very refreshing when people get it right once in a while.
The symbolism of the line going from “you’re my Frankenstein, and I’m your monster” to “you’re my Frankenstein, and now, you’re a monster” showing that while who Norma is may have been heavily influenced by Pauline, she won’t allow herself to be a monster she made and that she’s calling Pauline out and forcing her to accept that she’s the villain is so yes
Where most of the budget went- As someone who wants to animate the whole scene was just beautiful,first the glass shatter,the smoke,the lighting and wind,not to mention how it relates story wise as Norma watched her idea Pauline crack and crumble around her.referencing Frankenstein because of how she used her fans and she literally uses them as vessels
@@joelvandyke7505 I also think that aswell,I just found it a harder reason to explain as we don’t really know much of norma (well as someone who hasn’t read the comics atleat)
How Norma felt in this episode was so powerful and what, I think, a lot of us felt about the HP universe after JK became publicly transphobic. Well, at least it was how I felt.
Pauline was just looking at the stage and thinking to herself "I want that...think I'll take it..." Personally I love the whole Frankenstein reference that she was essentially patchworked her own personality based on this idol or this idea of a perfect person, like Frankenstein's macabre stitched together body parts. That Pauline's creation has become more aware of her creator's imperfections.
The "frankenstein and monster" metaphor fits so well! first off, I appreciate that the writers did their research and realized that Frankenstein was the one who created the monster, not enough people know that that being said, yes, frankenstien created the "monster" but he was a monster in his own right. thats why it fits so well
Norma (the short girl singing) found out that her idol and subject of her special interest, is a bad person and has done some bad things. The Frankenstein parallel here is that her idol is Dr. Frankenstein and Norma is the monster because she feels that her existence is defined by her interest in the works of her idol.
Knowing this series was canceled somehow makes this song more enjoyable. It might not have gotten a proper ending, but at least it happened long enough to give us songs like this
Why do people always say they hate musicals and then proceed to like said musical ep. Granted not every musical is great but the genre is just for fun why not just enjoy the thing
Anyone else get the feeling that this episode could've done more with Badyah? After all, she could've been the only employee who was suspicious after Brandon, Norma, and Pugsley got banned for life.
Honestly like I felt they could've set up a plot point where badya could help more buy I feel like they cut for time and screen time for other characters, also Logs knew the whole thing was sus too
I really love how it shows that we see Norma for what she truly is but the others see her as a Pauline look a like. Its a great representation of Norma and her hyperfixation on Pauline and the truth behind her.
This song hits so hard when all your life you've been trying to be as better as someone and you just have that moment where you realize what you've been doing and what is it doing to you. I was a high achiever, I was addicted to being famous, and my parents won't notice me unless I have something to present to them till I had that moment I shamed our class president ( which I saw as both my Idol and rival ) because she brought old decorations for our school event. I was making everyone laugh but when I saw her reaction, I knew I messed up. She was always full of confidence and has this “ star ” vibes like she was meant to be just.. Good. I knew I messed up when she made that reaction I had never seen her make. I had a glimpse of her repressed feelings like what I see sometimes in mine whenever I look in the mirror. It was that face that drove me not to be the “ loser ” . Starting that day I started becoming more aware of my actions and became a little more careful. When quarantine arrived, I started looking through the actions I did in the past and started exploring myself more. I have never been happier but I do miss those times... I have nothing to worry about and I can just basically do whatever I want. My childhood happened too fast that I feel like I missed the best thing in my life.
I can definitely relate. I don't remember making fun of anyone, but I've always been an overachiever. As I'm writing this, I am in undescribable pain from pushing myself way past my limits at musical rehearsals yesterday. I hadn't slept, I hadn't drank anything, and I was sick and dizzy. I was too hot because my AC broke at home too. I had a few moments where I broke down from the pain that felt like it was consuming my body yesterday. I couldn't breathe, but I kept going anyways and put every bit of energy and my soul into what I was doing, just like always. We had like, a five minute break, and I was dying. I tried to drink water, but that made me feel like I was going to throw up. One of the two older kids there checked in on me. It was then I realized for the second time that I need to trust people more, because back when I was doing my first play at that theatre during christmas, I talked to no one and trusted no one, but they are actually so nice. After that 5 minute break, I staggered back and immediately sang my heart out yet again with a voice that I shouldn't have even beem capable of having. I was in so much pain and I couldn't breathe, but I kept going. My parts of the songs require me to sing higher than everyone else, but with a ton of power and sound. I did it, and I stayed late to do extra. My role in this musical isn't even big, they wrote in a character for me just because they wanted me to be there. I don't want to let them down. I went home, and one of my dogs immediately went into labor. I didn't get home until midnight because she needed a c-section, and I didn't go to sleep until 1 am-ish. I woke up and my back hurt so much. I was literally paralyzed for about 15 minutes. I managed to move a bit, but not without screeching. Everything hurt, but mostly my back and entire neck. I called my sister as soon as I could. I could not walk. I went to the chiropractor for the first time in my life. It didn't help, probably because I kind of left out the fact that I have back and neck pain almost every day, as well as migraines and stomach issues, just so my mom wouldn't be mad at me for struggling. I then went to the hospital to visit my mom, who fell and hurt herself. We took a puppy, who was scratching and biting me in the car because I had to get the matts out of his fur. He was going tk go to his new home, my mom's nurse was buying him. We ignored the fact I was ever hurt, but every movement feels like agony. It's my fault. I'm the "star" of my school. I am autistic and I have ADHD, so they make me an example to put down other kids, revealing my private medical information. And the sad part is that it works. I've adopted every single person from kindergarten through 12th grade. I would protect them with my life. They look up to me, when before, all they ever did was see me as someone who wasn't even human. I was alone. I wasn't cool, I didn't get their stupid jokes. But I was the one who supported anyone who needed support. I taught them all to accept themselbes for who they are. The majority of the school is gay and trans, but it's actually a christian school. I started underground rebellions on accident. I've been doing dual enrollment since I was 14, I've been singing my whole life, I'm in choir, drama, community theatre, I volunteer for EVERYTHING I can, every extracurricular the school has, I've done a ton of sports including dance, I'm currently doing volleyball, I take singing lessons etc. My school doesn't let me take homework home because I finish my work faster than everyone else. I get A+'s, and they limit how much work I can do so I won't graduate early. This is something they tried to justify to me. I also have extreme sensory issues, and my classroom is not a good environment for me to learn in. I could do even more if they'd let me have accommodations, but they refuse because its a private school. I don't even have written diagnoses. My mom refuses to accept I'm neurodivergent because it would "ruin her life". All my other siblings were diagnosed. She said that in front of me, my former therapist, and the owner of the therapy company. The owner is her friend. I got the diagnosis technically , they even confirmed that I was autistic and had ADHD and way more than exceeded criteria for both, but they refused to write it down because they didn't want my mom to be disappointed in me. It's not fair. All my struggles get ignored by most people, and I have to keep going anyways. I was suicidal for about 15 years, and nobody helped me. I helped me. I clean up after my entire family that never cleans up after themselves and more than 10 inside dogs every single day. I'm always busy. I own/mod 25 discord servers, and I'm everyone's therapist. If it wasn't for my friends that I finally made, I wouldn't be ok. I'm turning 16 in about 2 months, it took me this long. I have a best friend/crush that is like another version of Badyah. She's the most supportive person I've ever met. I've never had someone who thinks its cool when I rant about my special interests and hyperfixations, but she does. She loves me because I'm me. And that's more than I could have ever asked anyone for. Not the facade, me, with all my flaws and my struggles, and everything that makes me myself. And she accepts me for being trans masc and bi. I don't think she'll ever like me back like I like her, but she is so important to me. She's the reason I learned not to hate myself anymore. And I support her too. I'll always love her for the real her, and I listen to her interests and her feelings too. She's my best friend. Seeing Norma and Badyah interact made me so emotional, because my friend was the one who reached out to me when I didn't trust anyone. She listened to what I was going through. It took me a while to trust her, but I definitely trust her now. She didn't just change my life, she helped me learn how to change my life for myself. Just because my family and the school don't notice me unless I give everything I have, doesn't mean I have to change myself to make people like me, and I don't have to work myself to death and ignore my feelings. Rant over, sorry for oversharing on your post!!!!
@@IceePhoenix I hope you are still doing better. By better I mean resting and taking breaks on a regular basis and not signing up for everything so you can have unstructured time. I hope you have dropped some responsibilities so that you can have more room for yourself. You really don't need to be everything to everyone. I hope you get some support from your siblings, and that once you are 18 you can find a place for yourself where you get to own your life and your identity.
Im pretty sure Pauline didn't even listen to Norma's song. I think is more probably that Pauline was preparing something or (with is more probably) she just turn of the sound and admire her new body
I think it relates a lot to the events happening where we grew up with actors or artists who were a huge comfort to us but then stuff comes out about them that changes these comforts for us. We wish it didn’t affect their films or music for us but it does cuz now we know the side of them they hid from us
Lyrics: I’m standing here before my idol Been your devoted, your disciple This moment played in my imagination About a hundred thousand times And all the trademarks that defined you I must have built a trillion shrines to It’s kinda crazy you can still amaze me I’ve seen it all so many times Like, O-M-G, Pauline You know that moment in that scene When you danced your way on the screen Well, you made me feel so seen You’re my Frankenstein And I’m your monster Your films gave me life Like lighting and thunder Oh, the world I can feel like a storm And my bedroom is the eye But your face, on every wall Keeping me alive But that was then and this is now So what do I say? So what do I say? I know too much now, I can't see you The same Pauline who I was drawn to Your evil games are driving me insane for Ever thinking I could trust you! Cause now I found out you’re a spirit What is my life without you in it? It’s kinda messed up, I feel like a breakup Except it’s all your fault, not mine! ’Cause oh my God, Pauline Why'd you have to let me see The other side of you that's green? You should have stayed just on the screen You’re my Frankenstein And I’m your monster Your films saved my life Like shelter and water You’re my Frankenstein And I’m your monster Your reign’s crumbling down Like stone and mortar You’re my Frankenstein
I didn't even notice the trans colours in your profile picture. If it helps, here's a little advice. Separate the art from the artist. Throughout history, there have been people who made a positive impact on the world only for it to be revealed long after how much of a terrible person they were. The Founder fathers were racist and hated the idea of the black man being treated equally. Michael Jackson changed the genre of music forever and he was heavily hinted that he was a bad person. The Austrian man who wrote a book in prison was a beacon for his people before the bad things started. JK Rowling spoke her mind on the internet, something a celebrity knows is a death sentence. Hogwarts was a way for many people of the LGBT community to escape from the pressures of the world only for its creator to take away that escape. But you never lost that escape. My mom knows what Michael Jackson might've done and still listens to his music to this day. Because she wants to see Michael Jackson as the man who became the prince of pop, not a man who never had a childhood. As a fan, you have two options, let that fandom's creator control you, or be your person, and enjoy the Harry potter universe knowing that the majority of the fandom and the people behind the movies hear your back. See JK Rowling as the person who created the world you love. Not the person who sparked a debt on the internet. Take Dan Schneider for example. He created a lot of Nickelodeon shows that are beloved by millions of people. He has been accused of doing terrible things. True or not, that doesn't make his shows any less enjoyable. No matter the man he was on set, he created shows that made a lot of people smile and laugh for years. JK Rowling is a crappy person, but she created a word that made you happy, don't let her take that happiness away.
@@Geo_TV JKR is one situation where I can't seperate the art from the artist. She's actively being transphobic. She's actively using her platform to harm people like me. Some people can do bad things and change as a person. JKR is just doubling down. I still stand by my comment though. If JKR had recanted, apologized or just stopped, then I might be able to move passed what shes done.
@@noritochip_97 I blocked her on all forms of social media so I didn't know that she is continuing to be a bitch. She's made her bed she is aware a large number of her fandom dislike her. That number is probably growing daily. I'm not trans myself but I do have some trans friends who still enjoy Harry potter. Don't listen to anything Rowling says. You are a valid person and you deserve happiness.
She wasn't being transphobic. The media and your little club actively was trying to force her to change the content of her work. Demanding Dumbledore must be gay etc. You can't keep forcing a writer to change her creation and then act like the victim when she finally tells you to screw off. Especially when you start outright attacking her and spreading lies. Don't believe me look it up.
I love the "your my frankenstein, im your monster" line sm... Theres just so many levels to unpack and the entire theme of this song and a summary of Norma's story.
holy fucking wow my fav episode from this show This show had alot of goofy shit that maybe couldve just just been minimized because when it gets serious like this it's soooo fucking good. Love this song. literally every time i hear it i either cry or resisted crying
@@sheersternfeld1914 Acused of inappropriate behaviour with Ash's babysitter, and of having sa'd a fan (both around 20yo). It's a lot more nuanced, so better look it up. You will also notice he hasn't posted to any social in like a month.
I really feel like the mirror symbolizes how she idolizes her at first she wanted to be like her hence the mirror but then she breaks it because she found out pauline was a horrible person not wanting to be like her anymore but just herself
I JUST LOVE HOW THIS SONG STARTED AS A MUSICAL PRAISE TO A FORMER IDOL AND IT JUST SO PERFECTLY GRADUALLY TURNED INTO A SONG TO EXPRESS THE ANGER AND HATE A SUPER DEVOTED FAN FEELS FOR DISCOVERING ITS ONLY HERO WAS NOTHING BUT A FACADE FOR A VERY HORRIBLE PERSON. NOT ONLY A PERFECTLY UNDERSTANDABLE AND RELATABLE EMOTION BUT IT ALSO SENDS A MESSAGE THAT DESPITE HOW HARD THAT IS....... IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE FAN IS GONNA CRUMBLE TO ITS KNEES AND CRY FOREVER!!!! NO!!!!! FAMOUS PEOPLE ARE FAMOUS BUT ITS THEIR FANS THAT MADE THEM FAMOUS AND THERFORE THEY HAVE THE POWER TO EITHER ADMIRE THEM BLINDLY LIKE NORMA USED TO DO OR TO REALISE THEIR TRUE FACES, STEP UP TO THEM AND IN THE END PROVE THAT "COMMON" PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO BE COMMON FOREVER AND THEY CAN TOO DO AMAZING STUFF!!!!!! WITH OR WITHOUT THEM!!!!!!
She is! She was calling herself a monster in reference to the book Frankenstein to say that Pauline made Norma who she is today, and by the end of the song after calling her out for the awful stuff she does Norma's saying that she's distancing herself from Pauline and just calling *Pauline* a monster, again in reference to the book in how Dr. Frankenstein is the true villain
It made me smile way more than it should that she said that. So many people think the monster was named Frankenstein when it was the name of the doctor who created him.
@@anniecahill5214 I got detention once for pointing that out in class once. Why is it so hard to understand that Frankenstein and the monster are two different beings?
You know before this bit with the auditions, I felt sorry for the girl who said Pauline got throught the toughest parts of her life. Then I realised, OH MY GOSH, THAT'S ONE OF PAULINE'S PREVIOUS VICTIMS! In fact, three of her victims were auditioning!!!! it's like they were eager to be possessed again, and that is so messed up! But when I think of what that one victim said how much pauline means to her, it makes sense why it doesn't matter for her to be possessed again. which is why norma seems so much stronger a character. Even if you can see why despite knwoing everything pauline still means so much to her.
I find it funny that halfway through the song she switched from her love of Pauline to calling her out and Pauline just ignores it.
She truly is a fan by not being blinded and calling out their idol for doing awful things
Yeah! I was like, “Norma, you are being awfully candid on what you know. Do you WANT to get murdered?” And then Pauline just…ignores it. Talk about ego on Pauline’s part. I bet she thought no one could ever figure her out.
@@snarkywallflower5829 Pauline may be a ghost, but she probably doesn't know all that much about magic or Pugsley's abilities. She has no real reason to suspect it's Norma. Regardless of the lyrics tearing her down, she saw a perfect host putting on a *hell* of a show
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I think Pauline just cares about looks and vibes, she dosent care what they say or think about her unless it’s praise. She probably took the negatives as a compliments too since she’s so egotistical
Either that or she assumed that Norma was just another “I can do you better then you can” fan
I would just like to put a spotlight about how much Badyah cares for and understands Norma, that even through a spell she's able to recognise her. Like not even necessarily in a romantic way, soulmates.
Like it could be in a romantic way and that'd be cool too, but it doesn't even have to be, it's already a cute as hell friendship
@@tomsparrow1823 Agreed! It's so adorably wholesome. Platonic or romantic soulmates 100%.
Wow Badyah listens to Norma's singing voice
I really loved how she didn't stop trying to connect with Norma, I really like their relationship/friendship
Romantic or platonic, those two just WORK and that's why I love them so much
I love the delivery on "except it's all your fault NOT MINE!" It's so pointed and powerful, and she's so totally right.
In a lot of shows, Norma would be punished for liking Pauline so much. There would be this collective "I told you so" moment. And I'm happy this show mostly avoided that.
@@rosesweetcharlotte yeah! That energy pretty much all came from Norma's mind, and her journey was realizing that voice was lying to her.
Still Norma kinda rose colored glasses Pauline to her she was perfect when Pauline doesn’t owe her anything doesn’t excuse her actions
ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@michalelkin-bronner13 not really not her fault Pauline don’t even know who Norma is
I think this is probably the greatest way media has explained and portrayed the fallout of a parasocial relationship going wrong, when the person you idolized and put on a pedestal and designed a persona and expectations for in your head fails everything in one fell swoop and brings you knowledge of the reality that they’re a terrible person. I still haven’t watched Paranormal Park, or gained context beyond this song, but I feel very seen by this depiction, as stuff like that has happened to me before and I feel like people don’t have as good of an understanding of how parasocial relationships affect people negatively as much as they do positively. I’ll come back here once I’ve watched the show and learned more!
UPDATE: Bingewatched the show, LOGS AND BARNEY EPISODE TEN. FALL OUT MAN (PATRICK STUMP) WROTE ALL THE SONGS INCLUDING THIS ONE. GO WATCH IT NOW
Yes, yes, YES!!! Listening to this song was like listening to all the feelings I had about Rowling and Disney lately into song and it is amazing!!
I related to Norma so hard though the show and having her sing this song was the cherry on top for me!! I’m so happy I found this show!
i will say. the one thing i don't like about this scene is that it depicts the harms of parasocial relationships without actually pointing out that norma should have never engaged in one in the first place, which feels like something that absolutely should have been included if they wanted to discuss parasocial relationships in a way accessible to kids. it sort of shifts the blame onto pauline for being bad, when it should have pointed out that the responsibility was on norma to refrain from basing her self identity on a person she's never met
@@iota1175 This is an incredibly good point, and it's something I DEFINITELY needed to hear when I was a kid tbh
@@ideapressproductions1864 fyi though! there are definitely some really good moments aside from this where norma overcomes her desire to continue the parasocial relationship into unhealthy territory, so it's still really good overall, and i would recommend watching further if yr interested in seeing more of that discussion. not perfect, but i can't think of any other kid's show that's discussed it, so a 7/10 isn't bad at all here
I hope that in season 2 we will have the chance to see how Norma deals with the fallout of the Pauline fiasco. I mean it must have been so hard for her given she’s based her whole life around Pauline Phoenix. She’s got anxiety and low social skills and her whole world shattered when her idol turned out to be an egotistical bodysnatcher. I just hope with the relationships she’s built with the Phoenix Park employees Norma will be able to pull herself out of this funk.
using Frankenstein properly is the cherry on top.
Song understands that Frankenstein created the monster and was pretty monstrous himself
The line gives me chills every time I listen to this!
Yes thank you. I am an autistic person with a hyperfixation on the original Frankenstein book and this made me so happy😭😭
FOR REAL
Pauline gave Norma life, like Victor Frankenstein gave his monster life. And both of them were betrayed by the person who gave them life. And so Norma, just like the monster, is now making it her mission to take down her 'creator.' :)
I forgot the betrayal element in Frankenstein that is point I missed well said
God I love the original Frankenstein book so much
The fact that Norma used Frankenstein correctly (because of course she did) is the cherry on top for me.
I am so glad They used Frankenstein as the Creatir and not the Monster. A lot of people get that wrong, and I understand why, but, it’s always very refreshing when people get it right once in a while.
Did Frankenstein actually try to kill his creator?
norma went HARD on this song
Norma took singing lessons
I mean she is singing about her idol ofc she would be passionate
Let's all remember that the spell was just designed to change Norma's appearance. The singing and the moves....that's 100% her.
The symbolism of the line going from “you’re my Frankenstein, and I’m your monster” to “you’re my Frankenstein, and now, you’re a monster” showing that while who Norma is may have been heavily influenced by Pauline, she won’t allow herself to be a monster she made and that she’s calling Pauline out and forcing her to accept that she’s the villain is so yes
Where most of the budget went-
As someone who wants to animate the whole scene was just beautiful,first the glass shatter,the smoke,the lighting and wind,not to mention how it relates story wise as Norma watched her idea Pauline crack and crumble around her.referencing Frankenstein because of how she used her fans and she literally uses them as vessels
I kinda read it as a parasocial "I am made by you", because so much of Norma's life and personality is her love of Pauline.
@@joelvandyke7505 I also think that aswell,I just found it a harder reason to explain as we don’t really know much of norma (well as someone who hasn’t read the comics atleat)
Your hired (this is a joke)
If you do animate this please PLEASE tell me I’d love to see it
How Norma felt in this episode was so powerful and what, I think, a lot of us felt about the HP universe after JK became publicly transphobic. Well, at least it was how I felt.
I can't think of any fandom who had it as bad as the Harry Potter fandom in this regard.
Me neither, especially because the HP universe was a big safe space for a lot of LGBT+ people before that.
Thar is such a good comparison!
won't lie, it's become a new tradition for me to listen to this when a creator I like turns out to be a bad person. it's cathartic
It's crazy to think this was already 2 years ago, I remember watching the first season and being amazed.
Dude same!!!
Pauline was just looking at the stage and thinking to herself "I want that...think I'll take it..."
Personally I love the whole Frankenstein reference that she was essentially patchworked her own personality based on this idol or this idea of a perfect person, like Frankenstein's macabre stitched together body parts. That Pauline's creation has become more aware of her creator's imperfections.
Absolutely phe[Norma]nal song, was losing it at how beautiful the vocals were in this episode!
YES PUNS PUNS I WAS TRYING TO FIND A PUN TO PUT WITH NORMAS NAME AND YOU FOUND IT
Aw thats cheesy *dies from cheesiness because a rock is not supposed to have cheese*
I am rock
+20 points for the pun 😂
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The "frankenstein and monster" metaphor fits so well!
first off, I appreciate that the writers did their research and realized that Frankenstein was the one who created the monster, not enough people know that
that being said, yes, frankenstien created the "monster" but he was a monster in his own right. thats why it fits so well
He was a monster but he wasn't the monster the movie follows and is about.That's what most people don't understand.
I have no clue what the context for this is, but it was one of the most animated performances I've seen in a while. This was awesome!
Norma (the short girl singing) found out that her idol and subject of her special interest, is a bad person and has done some bad things.
The Frankenstein parallel here is that her idol is Dr. Frankenstein and Norma is the monster because she feels that her existence is defined by her interest in the works of her idol.
Knowing this series was canceled somehow makes this song more enjoyable. It might not have gotten a proper ending, but at least it happened long enough to give us songs like this
“But that was then and this is NOOWWWWWW” GIRL THAT NOTE MAKES ME FLY
I hate musicals but this episode was from far my favorite. The songs gave me chills, it was extraordinary
what's his name wrote this song!
JK it's Patrick stump the lead singer of fall out boy. he also wrote a song in svtfoe that was really good.
🥰🥰🥰🥰 I just love musicals
Why do people always say they hate musicals and then proceed to like said musical ep. Granted not every musical is great but the genre is just for fun why not just enjoy the thing
@@emiliocoruna4552 People can dislike full lenght musicals but enjoy a well produced, musical episode in a normal show
@@Kalesoup_ in my comment I've already said not every musical is amazing but to phrase it as hate made view as negative to musicals overall
This show deserved so much more love.
Anyone else get the feeling that this episode could've done more with Badyah? After all, she could've been the only employee who was suspicious after Brandon, Norma, and Pugsley got banned for life.
Honestly like I felt they could've set up a plot point where badya could help more buy I feel like they cut for time and screen time for other characters, also Logs knew the whole thing was sus too
@@emiliocoruna4552 You know that not all the episodes are the same length, right?
Barney's full name is Brandon?-
@@Matteso586 are we watching the same show? all of them were 22mins and more or less I just wanted more time with the other characters
@@emiliocoruna4552 Have you looked at each runtime on the episode list?
It was sweet of the backup dancers to help each other off the stage💖
💖💖💖💖
I really love how it shows that we see Norma for what she truly is but the others see her as a Pauline look a like.
Its a great representation of Norma and her hyperfixation on Pauline and the truth behind her.
It was literally illusion magic
@@bananafromhell
I know
wish this had another season especially after dropping a banger like this
There are two seasons
When you are so in the zone, the other auditions just become back up dancers.
This song hits so hard when all your life you've been trying to be as better as someone and you just have that moment where you realize what you've been doing and what is it doing to you. I was a high achiever, I was addicted to being famous, and my parents won't notice me unless I have something to present to them till I had that moment I shamed our class president ( which I saw as both my Idol and rival ) because she brought old decorations for our school event.
I was making everyone laugh but when I saw her reaction, I knew I messed up. She was always full of confidence and has this “ star ” vibes like she was meant to be just.. Good. I knew I messed up when she made that reaction I had never seen her make. I had a glimpse of her repressed feelings like what I see sometimes in mine whenever I look in the mirror. It was that face that drove me not to be the “ loser ” .
Starting that day I started becoming more aware of my actions and became a little more careful. When quarantine arrived, I started looking through the actions I did in the past and started exploring myself more. I have never been happier but I do miss those times... I have nothing to worry about and I can just basically do whatever I want. My childhood happened too fast that I feel like I missed the best thing in my life.
😭😭😭
I can definitely relate. I don't remember making fun of anyone, but I've always been an overachiever. As I'm writing this, I am in undescribable pain from pushing myself way past my limits at musical rehearsals yesterday. I hadn't slept, I hadn't drank anything, and I was sick and dizzy. I was too hot because my AC broke at home too. I had a few moments where I broke down from the pain that felt like it was consuming my body yesterday. I couldn't breathe, but I kept going anyways and put every bit of energy and my soul into what I was doing, just like always. We had like, a five minute break, and I was dying. I tried to drink water, but that made me feel like I was going to throw up. One of the two older kids there checked in on me. It was then I realized for the second time that I need to trust people more, because back when I was doing my first play at that theatre during christmas, I talked to no one and trusted no one, but they are actually so nice. After that 5 minute break, I staggered back and immediately sang my heart out yet again with a voice that I shouldn't have even beem capable of having. I was in so much pain and I couldn't breathe, but I kept going. My parts of the songs require me to sing higher than everyone else, but with a ton of power and sound. I did it, and I stayed late to do extra. My role in this musical isn't even big, they wrote in a character for me just because they wanted me to be there. I don't want to let them down. I went home, and one of my dogs immediately went into labor. I didn't get home until midnight because she needed a c-section, and I didn't go to sleep until 1 am-ish. I woke up and my back hurt so much. I was literally paralyzed for about 15 minutes. I managed to move a bit, but not without screeching. Everything hurt, but mostly my back and entire neck. I called my sister as soon as I could. I could not walk. I went to the chiropractor for the first time in my life. It didn't help, probably because I kind of left out the fact that I have back and neck pain almost every day, as well as migraines and stomach issues, just so my mom wouldn't be mad at me for struggling. I then went to the hospital to visit my mom, who fell and hurt herself. We took a puppy, who was scratching and biting me in the car because I had to get the matts out of his fur. He was going tk go to his new home, my mom's nurse was buying him. We ignored the fact I was ever hurt, but every movement feels like agony. It's my fault.
I'm the "star" of my school. I am autistic and I have ADHD, so they make me an example to put down other kids, revealing my private medical information. And the sad part is that it works. I've adopted every single person from kindergarten through 12th grade. I would protect them with my life. They look up to me, when before, all they ever did was see me as someone who wasn't even human. I was alone. I wasn't cool, I didn't get their stupid jokes. But I was the one who supported anyone who needed support. I taught them all to accept themselbes for who they are. The majority of the school is gay and trans, but it's actually a christian school. I started underground rebellions on accident. I've been doing dual enrollment since I was 14, I've been singing my whole life, I'm in choir, drama, community theatre, I volunteer for EVERYTHING I can, every extracurricular the school has, I've done a ton of sports including dance, I'm currently doing volleyball, I take singing lessons etc. My school doesn't let me take homework home because I finish my work faster than everyone else. I get A+'s, and they limit how much work I can do so I won't graduate early. This is something they tried to justify to me. I also have extreme sensory issues, and my classroom is not a good environment for me to learn in. I could do even more if they'd let me have accommodations, but they refuse because its a private school. I don't even have written diagnoses. My mom refuses to accept I'm neurodivergent because it would "ruin her life". All my other siblings were diagnosed. She said that in front of me, my former therapist, and the owner of the therapy company. The owner is her friend. I got the diagnosis technically , they even confirmed that I was autistic and had ADHD and way more than exceeded criteria for both, but they refused to write it down because they didn't want my mom to be disappointed in me.
It's not fair. All my struggles get ignored by most people, and I have to keep going anyways. I was suicidal for about 15 years, and nobody helped me. I helped me.
I clean up after my entire family that never cleans up after themselves and more than 10 inside dogs every single day. I'm always busy. I own/mod 25 discord servers, and I'm everyone's therapist.
If it wasn't for my friends that I finally made, I wouldn't be ok. I'm turning 16 in about 2 months, it took me this long.
I have a best friend/crush that is like another version of Badyah. She's the most supportive person I've ever met. I've never had someone who thinks its cool when I rant about my special interests and hyperfixations, but she does. She loves me because I'm me. And that's more than I could have ever asked anyone for. Not the facade, me, with all my flaws and my struggles, and everything that makes me myself. And she accepts me for being trans masc and bi. I don't think she'll ever like me back like I like her, but she is so important to me. She's the reason I learned not to hate myself anymore. And I support her too. I'll always love her for the real her, and I listen to her interests and her feelings too. She's my best friend. Seeing Norma and Badyah interact made me so emotional, because my friend was the one who reached out to me when I didn't trust anyone. She listened to what I was going through. It took me a while to trust her, but I definitely trust her now. She didn't just change my life, she helped me learn how to change my life for myself. Just because my family and the school don't notice me unless I give everything I have, doesn't mean I have to change myself to make people like me, and I don't have to work myself to death and ignore my feelings.
Rant over, sorry for oversharing on your post!!!!
Let me just assure you, your childhood isn't the best time of your life. At least, mine wasn't.
@{𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒮𝒾𝓁𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝑀𝑜𝑜𝓃} I think it's healthier to tell them that and more realistic.
@@IceePhoenix I hope you are still doing better. By better I mean resting and taking breaks on a regular basis and not signing up for everything so you can have unstructured time. I hope you have dropped some responsibilities so that you can have more room for yourself. You really don't need to be everything to everyone. I hope you get some support from your siblings, and that once you are 18 you can find a place for yourself where you get to own your life and your identity.
I love that they just made one episode a musical for literally no reason and they made all the songs go so hard.
I usually don’t care for musicals but this episode went so hard. This show is incredible in every way.
Loved this so much for so many reasons! Giving me Beetlejuice Vibes too!
Temuluchus is voiced by the guy who makes beetlejuice, i think im some musical
@@ursapolargalactica Yeah, it's Alex Brightman
@@amandajohnson3531 his voice is really good!
@@ursapolargalacticahe voiced non-possesed Pugsley too
Im pretty sure Pauline didn't even listen to Norma's song. I think is more probably that Pauline was preparing something or (with is more probably) she just turn of the sound and admire her new body
Dude I watched every 20 episodes on Netflix and gave it a good rating i watched it over and over again
I think it relates a lot to the events happening where we grew up with actors or artists who were a huge comfort to us but then stuff comes out about them that changes these comforts for us. We wish it didn’t affect their films or music for us but it does cuz now we know the side of them they hid from us
This is my favorite song out of all of the songs sung
Me too
Lyrics:
I’m standing here before my idol
Been your devoted, your disciple
This moment played in my imagination
About a hundred thousand times
And all the trademarks that defined you
I must have built a trillion shrines to
It’s kinda crazy you can still amaze me
I’ve seen it all so many times
Like, O-M-G, Pauline
You know that moment in that scene
When you danced your way on the screen
Well, you made me feel so seen
You’re my Frankenstein
And I’m your monster
Your films gave me life
Like lighting and thunder
Oh, the world I can feel like a storm
And my bedroom is the eye
But your face, on every wall
Keeping me alive
But that was then and this is now
So what do I say?
So what do I say?
I know too much now, I can't see you
The same Pauline who I was drawn to
Your evil games are driving me insane for
Ever thinking I could trust you!
Cause now I found out you’re a spirit
What is my life without you in it?
It’s kinda messed up, I feel like a breakup
Except it’s all your fault, not mine!
’Cause oh my God, Pauline
Why'd you have to let me see
The other side of you that's green?
You should have stayed just on the screen
You’re my Frankenstein
And I’m your monster
Your films saved my life
Like shelter and water
You’re my Frankenstein
And I’m your monster
Your reign’s crumbling down
Like stone and mortar
You’re my Frankenstein
1:59 the build up part was quick yet worth it
This song captures my conflict with JKR... like idolizing someone growing up just to find their a crappy person. Heckin' love this show sooo much!!
I didn't even notice the trans colours in your profile picture.
If it helps, here's a little advice.
Separate the art from the artist.
Throughout history, there have been people who made a positive impact on the world only for it to be revealed long after how much of a terrible person they were.
The Founder fathers were racist and hated the idea of the black man being treated equally.
Michael Jackson changed the genre of music forever and he was heavily hinted that he was a bad person.
The Austrian man who wrote a book in prison was a beacon for his people before the bad things started.
JK Rowling spoke her mind on the internet, something a celebrity knows is a death sentence.
Hogwarts was a way for many people of the LGBT community to escape from the pressures of the world only for its creator to take away that escape.
But you never lost that escape.
My mom knows what Michael Jackson might've done and still listens to his music to this day. Because she wants to see Michael Jackson as the man who became the prince of pop, not a man who never had a childhood.
As a fan, you have two options, let that fandom's creator control you, or be your person, and enjoy the Harry potter universe knowing that the majority of the fandom and the people behind the movies hear your back.
See JK Rowling as the person who created the world you love.
Not the person who sparked a debt on the internet.
Take Dan Schneider for example.
He created a lot of Nickelodeon shows that are beloved by millions of people.
He has been accused of doing terrible things.
True or not, that doesn't make his shows any less enjoyable.
No matter the man he was on set, he created shows that made a lot of people smile and laugh for years.
JK Rowling is a crappy person, but she created a word that made you happy, don't let her take that happiness away.
@@Geo_TV JKR is one situation where I can't seperate the art from the artist. She's actively being transphobic. She's actively using her platform to harm people like me.
Some people can do bad things and change as a person. JKR is just doubling down.
I still stand by my comment though. If JKR had recanted, apologized or just stopped, then I might be able to move passed what shes done.
@@noritochip_97
I blocked her on all forms of social media so I didn't know that she is continuing to be a bitch.
She's made her bed she is aware a large number of her fandom dislike her.
That number is probably growing daily.
I'm not trans myself but I do have some trans friends who still enjoy Harry potter.
Don't listen to anything Rowling says.
You are a valid person and you deserve happiness.
@@Geo_TV Thank you
She wasn't being transphobic. The media and your little club actively was trying to force her to change the content of her work. Demanding Dumbledore must be gay etc. You can't keep forcing a writer to change her creation and then act like the victim when she finally tells you to screw off. Especially when you start outright attacking her and spreading lies. Don't believe me look it up.
Shoutout to Badyah for seeing through the illusion.
She sure knows her best friend
"You're my Frankenstein, and I'm your monster"
This line will always go harder than like 95% of all music that ever has and ever will be written.
This episode had no right to go this hard and this song especially.
Remember when this came from a Cartoon Hangover animated short? Man I had no idea it would become this-
I love the "your my frankenstein, im your monster" line sm... Theres just so many levels to unpack and the entire theme of this song and a summary of Norma's story.
I love this song in the show I hope we get a season 2 soon 🤞🤞
Me too
yup
its out
Small but important detail at 1:50
Pauline eyes are shadowed. She has no soul.
This was my favorite episode, the music was really good X3
Pauline is such an Iconic villainess, I think I'm almost as obsessed with her as Norma
I put on this show as background noise while I worked... had no idea it was going to be so good, lol
A absolute shame that a show this good got canceled.
She literally brought the house down!
I think this song might single handedly get me to watch Dead End: Paranormal Park, it's very catchy
I’m not a big fan of musicals, but this episode was.. ✨very nice✨
That's my socially awkward girl!!!
I'm so proud of Norma
I cannot get over how much this entire episode has major Phantom of the Paradise vibes.
Not something that I was expecting, but damn does it work.
The song I listened to when my mom stopped even pretending to help me.
When I first watched this, I thought Pauline was the one causing the destruction due to how angry she is.
One of the employees really said
*let's make a 17 year old girl (norma) BREAK EVERYTHING WHEN SHE SINGS*
I could just feel the emotion in not only the animation expressions, but also the voice actor like that voice actor needs a damn raise
I would like to thank this exact video specifically for slapping me several times across the face and insisting I watch this show
holy fucking wow
my fav episode from this show
This show had alot of goofy shit that maybe couldve just just been minimized because when it gets serious like this it's soooo fucking good. Love this song. literally every time i hear it i either cry or resisted crying
I do kinda wish it wasn't rated y7. It would've been nice to have the more mature bits from the comic
Then greatness was cancelled. Thanks Netflix
Norma: "Cuz now I've found out you're a spirit!!"
Pauline: *Just completely ignores her*
"its kind of crazy, you can still amaze me"
to
"its kind of messed up, i feel like a break up"
dont mind it, i found the quite cool
How I feel about Neil Gaiman right now 😓
Yeah, that one hurts.
Why? What happened?
@@sheersternfeld1914 Acused of inappropriate behaviour with Ash's babysitter, and of having sa'd a fan (both around 20yo).
It's a lot more nuanced, so better look it up. You will also notice he hasn't posted to any social in like a month.
Same 🥲
This song is so good-
Yeah not to mention Norma breaks the glass with her voice is so awesome and hilarious
@@scarletweb2106 lmao
Hits way too close to home with everything going on with the Amphibia crew right now.
you know you did good when nearly every comment is a few paragraphs long
MAN HUNTER FROM TOH WOULD SO SING THIS
True, but I'm sure Luz would pop out at the end of his song and shout "EAT DIRT BELOS"
@@brodypl5804 So true
HE WOULD.
If I could animate I'd animate it
The Harry Potter fandom’s new theme song
Dead end is one of the best shows in nextflix
I really feel like the mirror symbolizes how she idolizes her at first she wanted to be like her hence the mirror but then she breaks it because she found out pauline was a horrible person not wanting to be like her anymore but just herself
I JUST LOVE HOW THIS SONG STARTED AS A MUSICAL PRAISE TO A FORMER IDOL AND IT JUST SO PERFECTLY GRADUALLY TURNED INTO A SONG TO EXPRESS THE ANGER AND HATE A SUPER DEVOTED FAN FEELS FOR DISCOVERING ITS ONLY HERO WAS NOTHING BUT A FACADE FOR A VERY HORRIBLE PERSON.
NOT ONLY A PERFECTLY UNDERSTANDABLE AND RELATABLE EMOTION BUT IT ALSO SENDS A MESSAGE THAT DESPITE HOW HARD THAT IS....... IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE FAN IS GONNA CRUMBLE TO ITS KNEES AND CRY FOREVER!!!!
NO!!!!! FAMOUS PEOPLE ARE FAMOUS BUT ITS THEIR FANS THAT MADE THEM FAMOUS AND THERFORE THEY HAVE THE POWER TO EITHER ADMIRE THEM BLINDLY LIKE NORMA USED TO DO OR TO REALISE THEIR TRUE FACES, STEP UP TO THEM AND IN THE END PROVE THAT "COMMON" PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO BE COMMON FOREVER AND THEY CAN TOO DO AMAZING STUFF!!!!!!
WITH OR WITHOUT THEM!!!!!!
Probably the best musical episode of anything ever
The way she says monster just hits different
With the release of Book of Bill, I feel like the Gravity Falls fandom needs to realize how perfect this fits Ford and Bill Cipher.
Best song of this show, Change my mind
Never seen this show before, no idea what’s going on, yet its such a banger
I’m addicted to this song
Am I the only one who thought that Norma said, "you're my Frankenstein and 'now you're a' monster" at the last part of the song?
She is! She was calling herself a monster in reference to the book Frankenstein to say that Pauline made Norma who she is today, and by the end of the song after calling her out for the awful stuff she does Norma's saying that she's distancing herself from Pauline and just calling *Pauline* a monster, again in reference to the book in how Dr. Frankenstein is the true villain
That was the most beautiful most spectacular Greatest singing I've ever listened to.
It brings a tear to my eye every time
Man, this is a banger! 😝
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Caleb Hyles
You know what to do.
This is the best song in this entire episode
Ok but why is no one talking about this song????
This was my favourite song watching this. I repeated it so many times!
I'm sorry I'm not familiar with this show, is she possessed by the fancy women or just singing about her?
She has a magic charm on her to look like the lady from the outside to impress the real ghost of the lady :)
Singing about her
She is under an illusion spell, and looks like the woman
She has an illusion spell on her so the lady (who is a ghost) will choose her as her next vessel
best song from this episode and any animated musical i love this song so much
would sell my family and firstborn child to see this sung live
I love this song so much !
It was always my first choice when I had to sing a song in public!
i cannot tell you how much this upload means to me lol 👉👈 are you going to upload that last pugsley song too
The drivers seat song? I can upload that sure
This show getting cancelled is my villain origin story
they had no right to bust out such a fucking banger
The animation team went off in this song
This show somehow has everything I like in songs at once
I love how she call Pauline Frankenstien and herself the Monster. Finally people actually getting it right.
It made me smile way more than it should that she said that.
So many people think the monster was named Frankenstein when it was the name of the doctor who created him.
@@Geo_TV Exactly for once even tv gets it right.
@@anniecahill5214
I got detention once for pointing that out in class once.
Why is it so hard to understand that Frankenstein and the monster are two different beings?
it makes so much now knowing that it was the lead singer of fallout boy who wrote these songs.
Wait rrly 0-O
Love this show sad that it's over
Same all I want is for session 3
What a voice!
I wonder what Norma took singing lessons as a child
You know before this bit with the auditions, I felt sorry for the girl who said Pauline got throught the toughest parts of her life.
Then I realised, OH MY GOSH, THAT'S ONE OF PAULINE'S PREVIOUS VICTIMS!
In fact, three of her victims were auditioning!!!!
it's like they were eager to be possessed again, and that is so messed up!
But when I think of what that one victim said how much pauline means to her, it makes sense why it doesn't matter for her to be possessed again.
which is why norma seems so much stronger a character.
Even if you can see why despite knwoing everything pauline still means so much to her.
I listen to this song every day it's so Good 👍 good job!
SHE WAS TALENT!!!!
This is my personal favorite song in the episode. Had me turning the volume way up