The problem is, that both of them are dominant. Dominant personalities. Dominant traits. And the thing is, neither of them wants to be a submissive in the relationship. Both of them want to be the "big dog."
I agree. I’m terms of a relationship. The roles may be reversed if the “submissive” person is dealing with Terri children, siblings, business partners or just how they go through life. But when it comes to their partner they are that way. And there are levels to it. Some like IDK Christian and Anastasia(Pretty submissive) from Fifty Shade of Grey(Super Dominant...kind of toxic IMHO)(and no not just because of BDSM whatever floats peoples boats) Bella(Submissive) and Edward(Dominant)to a smaller degree and IMHO not as extreme as The Greys. Jon(dominant) and Daenerys(submissive)even though their relationship was pretty poorly written and may not even be called a relationship...I think their ‘roles’ in the relationship are pretty much like many people’s. The woman happens to submissive and the man dominant, but not in an extreme or overbearing way and is a nice balance. But in their live sousing of each other they both have their dominant areas. Fitz(submissive)and Olivis(dominant)I see Fitz as the submissive...but in a subtle way. Once he is the President and all but their relationship is different. Cersei(dominant) and Jamie(submissive)Cersei is pretty dominant...and their relationship became toxic because of it(other factors to)...so there are different levels to dominant-submissive relationships which I believe all are to some degree/extent.
@Prima Donna am about to finish season 3 and am wondering if I should keep watching I already know the way it will end and it seems like it’s always the same story line I feel you so much on that.
I’m going thru an Olitz playlist, but I mostly read fanfiction bc I can do without the hours of other drama which is why I skipped the last two/three seasons
@@rachybaby72 Olivia is the reason Fitz has his success. Fitz is a good man, but the people around him are the reason he is so successful. Fitz strong armed Olivia into living with him and doing the First Lady duties when it is HER job to fix things. She has a job, she already has success. Fitz forced this on her and she didn't fight it at first because she didn't want it to end.
This scene is hands down one of the best! I mean, they acted their faces off. It also showed the reality of Olivia/Fitz romance and took off the rose colored glasses. Mellie was right. It worked before because each of them played their part. Without her, it turned into this. With the added pressure of being in the public, they didn't really have a fair shot.
I think they loved each other, but for the wrong reasons. Olivia loved that he was unavailable and didn't require any real commitment and Fitz loved that Olivia was an escape from the Presidency. I think that's why Jake scared Olivia so much, he knew exactly what he wanted and told her so. He represented reality and a real future and it terrified her.
This is why I loved their relationship after this argument. This argument was so insightful it shed some new refreshing light into how they really saw each other and their simultaneous decisions to try and get back to each other was founded on this. I honestly loved the Olitz after the breakup their minds were much clearer
This scene irritated me because then it’s like y’all did all this for what you broke up this man’s marriage did what because in season 4 he and Mellie really got to a good place and Olivia always felt this way which is why she didn’t want him to divorce Mellie so why go along with it now when you already knew the outcome
There were a lot of truths spoken in the fight. They are the reason why this relationship wouldn't have worked, their pride, ignorance and utter selfishness is the reason why they couldn't be in a real relationship for more than a few months. They didn't take the time to actually get to know each other and learn to compromise and work as a team. They let their feelings and misunderstanding of each other dictate their relationship this entire time, so when the time came for them to finally be a couple for real, they were unprepared and they were going into this with anxiety, hurt feelings, and ignorance. This is why Olivia basically cracked under the pressure. True, Mellie didn't do much better but the difference is that Fitz and Mellie are a great team and they knew each other very well and learned around each other. Olivia and Fitz still needs time and they both need to leave their egos at the door and actually give this relationship a shot or they will continue to fail
Michael Gasaway Ii I think it’s season 5. After she got kidnapped and revealed that her and Fitz were a couple. I think the season finale or right before
Um it doesnt work because it led to a dead end.....never date a married man because he couldn't give Olivia what she truly wanted which was all of him.
their fight scenes were so powergul omg it really scared me 😫 kerry should won an emmy for every season, the way she delivered all the single scenes was just wow
It still amazes me Fitz never caught on to why they were arguing and why she missed the dinner. Olivia said “there is no future...not anymore” palmed her womb I just knew it meant terminating a pregnancy. But i guess that what the writers wanted us to see in the foreshadowing
I'm so glad they both realized at that moment why Millie was the way she was and how she came to be that way. Olivia understood it better having been thrusted in Millies shoes and not even being able to handle it for a few weeks. Also watching Millie start to become a "big dog" herself & thriving at it. I hope they both knew at that point that if it weren't for Millie taking care of the part of Fitz's life she possessed that Olitz would never had survived as long as it did. Olivia finally got it but Fitz never did. He still had the nerve to look down on Millie.
When she is talking about there is no Vermont and no future, she speaking on the abortion. She knew that was the future he wanted for them. Children and a family. She also knew telling him would destroy him so she walked away. She has major parental issues so I think the prospect of being a mom is what is scaring her into running. She's already taken on the duties of first lady, something she never wanted. Her life fast tracked when she and Fitz became official, suddenly she's now in Mellie's place. While Mellie was content with being a wife and mother, Olivia I don't think ever will be.
And Olivia's father most likely found a way to make Olivia miscarry her pregnancy. Also the fact that Olivia's father had Fitz's own son killed, it probably make Olivia feel guilty to be pregnant and make Mellie very resentful.
I agree, she definitely had reason to be scared of being a mother. She didn’t exactly have the role model parents. They honestly failed her in my opinion.
@@nryanmusic Arent you a woman? Am I crazy in believing in a women's right to choose? It was her child in her stomach that SHE would've had to carry to term. It would have her life that completely changed. Fathers can readily walk out of their children's lives if they want to. Women dont really have that option. Absent father's are a sad truth and people look down on them for it, but a mother who abandons her child is seen as scum. She did not want to be first lady. Having that child would have sealed that fate. That her burden to bear alone and she kept from him to save his heart. He would have understood, but it also would have broken him. The fact that she didnt want his child. The fact that he would have had another, the chance to start over after the death Jerry. She made the right decision for her while sparing the feelings of the man she had loved. Plus Fitz used the secret of the dead jurors (a terrible mistake on Mellie's part) to get what he wanted. Banish Mellie move Liv into the White House. Olivia was just as trapped in that White House as Belle was in the Beast's Castle. It was a manipulation of the grandest scale and Olivia knew it.
The point is love isn't enough.We think that love conquers all and gets us through everything but it doesn't. When she was the mistress it was so easy for her to fantasize a future with Fitz. Then he made it to where it can become reality, she panicked. Her parents really messed her up. She keeps Jake around because it's easier to be with Jake. Remember she told Edison that she wanted difficult, painful, exciting, love where that's what she had with Fitz at first. Once he got the divorce,it became simple and easy and that was scary for her.
I don't know........I think she misses that sense of intensity that they had before......They were explosive........He mad wanted Her but He was married and that made Him unavailable that's where that painful part...... that's when She gave it all to Him but at the same time She kept Jake to fuel the flames...... when He did divorce Mellie and she moved in the white house She couldn't handle that lovey dovey stuff and being what She said what She said it was stifling to Her the intensity died down......... the Girl is used to chaos...... She was messed up when it came to commitment it scared Her.....She didn't want to be a Mellie ......I guess as long as He wasn't available She wanted Him and She used Jake to keeep Him at bay when needed..... that push and pull game..... Her father taught Her that love is an obstacle don't get to comfortable with it.......Deep down She wanted Fitz, no doubt that She truly loved Him and make a home and have kids with but that switch in Her wouldn't come on bcz of daddy dearest.....Guess why they didn't get married in the end......Looks like they were starting all over again to make it right for both..... This is just my opinion
The truth is Olivia only wanted Fitz when he was unavailable. How many times did he tell her she was more important than the White House only for Olivia to turn him down? Olivia doesn’t want to sacrifice her independence, her power because to be with Fitz means she has to be “Mellie” and take a backseat to his career. Full stop.
Someone mentioned that well now she knows how Mellie felt. The difference between Olivia and Mellie is, Mellie stayed and wanted to stay for power and political reasons, Olivia doesn't need nor want that type of life. Mellie was willing to endure it for herself. Olivia doesn't want that. I question if she ever really love/loved Fitz. Or did she just love the excitement of sneaking around with the most powerful man in the free world. She doesn't need Fitzgerald, he's obsessed and thinks he need her. Fitz needs to move on imo...
Mel Liggins Olivia loves Fitz . it wasn't about sneaking into the W.H .She is not that cruel . at least you can tell from her thing with Edison. she loved Fitz but he didn't listen to her. it was a sick relashionship for both of them
Olivia knew what she was getting into when she started dating a married man. No sympathy. Like get over yourself. She puts herself into situations where she makes herself the victim and then make herself seem like the "big dog" when really she just looks for ways out.
Okay duh, Olivia put herself in this situation. Fitz admitted whole hearted that he was married with children but Olivia skank ass thought she big dog that she could handle every "silver fox" that came her way. She whole hearted admitted she loved Fitz at the Constitution museum and agreed with Fitz that they were in this thing together. Olivia skank ass accepted Fitz ring Doux bebe, and while on the WH balcony, Fitz asked Olivia, "what happens now?" Olivia skank ass answered "whatever we want." So yes ma'am, Olivia skank ass is the terrible one. Because she knew just what she was getting into. She knew dang well Fitz was married but she slept with him on the campaign trail. Yep. Olivia is a skank.
I never thought any good would come out of this relationship simple fact that Fitz was a married man, Olivia started off lying to Fitz to begin with. I personally loved the way Fitz loved Olivia, the things he did for her like the ring, the house, putting on her hunting shoes, the way Olivia made Fitz smile. I just love the way Fitz loved his Livy. I knew their relationship wouldn't last. I just didn't like Olivia's inconsistency. One minute she said there was Hope and next minute she said there's no hope. smh
@@laurareznick9097 It's both of'em. And yes Olivia did seduce Fitz when she first approached him on the bus on the Campaign Trail. Mind you, Fitz was minding his own business and Olivia went and sat next to Fitz.... oh yessss, she had a motive. So in my opinion, Fitz is not equally nor more to blame. It's both of'em. It takes two.
Olivia, loved Fitz more, when he was unavailable, she felt safe by being on the sidelines. That way when the real thing came like ( moving into the whitehouse, a proposal, & marriage), she would be able to escape. She has issues from both parents. She lost her mother ( absentee at an early age, father who is a powerful, lonely hateful man). So she went to the best schools, highly educated, she was still missing her mother, and father. And looked to be with father figure men. Fitz, she loved, he loved her, but he was a bit of a baby man. Which was not for her. She's looking for a daddy.
Thanks God that this is just acting, because in real live every woman want to be LOVE with an man that can express his emotion,feeling like that, many man can't
Fitz and Olivia aren't over " Like Fitz said I'll never be over you, Olivia. This is a bump in the road true love always finds its way back home. Their love is to powerful to ever stop being meaningful Fitz sees a future with Olivia. Tony G sees a future with Olivia & Fitz in Vermont...
"So you're bitter...is that it? After realizing how ineffectual you actually are?" Damn that one went deeeeeeeeep ....anyone also notice they're literally speaking on the others last word; they've have the same fight so many times now, that all the layers are crashing and here is the cataclysmic finale #priceless
This is one of the scariest and ugliest fights that can be shown between a black woman and white man on television. I'm so triggered. I kept thinking to myself that it was going to lead to actual physical violence.
😂 I love being proven right. I saw through this relationship from the very beginning. And I know this isn’t their end. I’ve watched scandal and rewatching it now but facts were spilled in this conversation especially that unavailable part.
Am i the only person who thinks both Tony an Kerry's chemistry was soo great an strong on camera and that thinks they would have made a great couple in reality? Wow their both great actors 😁😁😁❤❤❤
These people are ridiculous. They love each other. No disputes there. The question is do they want to act on the feelings and form a life together or not? There’s no in between.
I’ve never been a supporter of Olitz and I got to say, this is the nastiest break up scene I’ve watched in my life. At the end, they just wanted to hurt each other by saying what they truly thought in the harshest way possible. Both 🚮
Clearly the love is still there. That's not what broke them up. What it is is that Olivia said that she didn't know Fitz available. When he was married she was able to leave him so many times but now that he is divorced and his presidency is almost over and the world has pretty much accepted their relationship shit just got real for her. This is so relatable for alot of people. When you're the mistress you are there to fill a void that the wife wasnt filling originally. In this case, Fitz ended up falling in love with her. He didn't want an affair for over 20 years like some people do. He wanted to let Mellie go so she could to allow herself to be happy and free and he can do the same for once. Now that he's single, she can't easily run anymore. Having the abortion was because she felt trapped in that life of first lady and she didn't want that. She wanted to continue to do what she was doing which was being there for her man and have her own life as well. Fitz shouldn't have moved her in. Everything was fine the way things were.
I dont feel sorry for liv in this scene. If she didn't want to be his first lady in public then she never should've moved herself into the white house in the season 4 finale and the beginning of season 5. She should've stayed home and just waited for fitz to come to her apartment as usual. She never should've told the world that she was his mistress. Having the abortion was because she had Rowan's warped sense of self loathing in her brain.
Absolutely because in the end when Olivia walked away from the WH and the corruption that comes with wanting power, Fitz was right there standing in front of her. Both of them ready to take on the next chapter of their lives.
@@sosopeople9157 She knew what she wanted, and she knew who she loved. She was scared so she ran.. plus she wasn’t sure who’s baby that was. Her parents taught her love is a weakness and that power is everything. She realized she was the problem, and she left the White House for good, and her and FITZ lived their dream the the young girl looking @ livs pic in the end was their baby they had together the older one was livs god daughter aka Cyrus daughter
mellie was the strongest. She survived fitz and the presidency without much complaining and she always did what had to be done. “Carry the cross on her back” as she would say
Mellie is not the strongest, Mellie was where she has always wanted to be "in the white house as 1st lady" so it was easy to sacrifice anything 4 it "u sacrifice 4 what u love" unlike Olivia she never wanted it she wanted power but she will rather wild power from the shadows. She never wanted to be trapped or be a prop which was y she always ran away from fitz anytime Mellie tried to use her as a prop to get to fitz
This episode was finally on air in Belgium yesterday. They finally both said what is on their minds. Communication is the key to any good relationship! I hope they get back together in season 6 and then move to Vermont!😀 Because Olitz is the only real reason I am addicted to this show! Great actors by the way.
When he yelled at her "Do Not Lie to me" I was like "Who the f**k you think you talking too" ( in my Kevin Hart voice) 😂😂
+Mel Liggins Well, at the moment he was actually talking to a liar! :-(
Me too!!! I said the exact same thing lmao.
lmao I was the same
Well she did lie to him.....
lol
"Olivia and Fitz Fight". Do you know how many videos of them could hold that title?
I also opened with a lot of scenes in mind.
Same I was like....this is a short compilation lol
yip
Yeah, I was like, “So a Tuesday?”
That woman is disgusting
This is some of Kerry’s best acting in the scene. They way she delivered “ineffectual” and “where I came from” were brilliant
The way he yelled"Do not lie to me...that jar would've been on da floor!😆😆😆
Melissa Causey I would’ve walked right out 🚗💨
@@shannonbennett1368 DON'T YOU WALK AWAY FROM ME!
Genevieve Greene naw I’m out
Melissa Causey I would have run as far as possible
Lol right😂.
The problem is, that both of them are dominant. Dominant personalities. Dominant traits. And the thing is, neither of them wants to be a submissive in the relationship. Both of them want to be the "big dog."
@Adonis Nigga that’s so stupid, it’s not the 50s anymore
Which is probably also why his relationship with Mellie failed too. Well, one of the 1000 reasons....
@@kyral195 I don't think this is an "old generation thing" in every relationship you got a dominant and a submissive.
I agree. I’m terms of a relationship. The roles may be reversed if the “submissive” person is dealing with Terri children, siblings, business partners or just how they go through life. But when it comes to their partner they are that way.
And there are levels to it. Some like IDK Christian and Anastasia(Pretty submissive) from Fifty Shade of Grey(Super Dominant...kind of toxic IMHO)(and no not just because of BDSM whatever floats peoples boats)
Bella(Submissive) and Edward(Dominant)to a smaller degree and IMHO not as extreme as The Greys.
Jon(dominant) and Daenerys(submissive)even though their relationship was pretty poorly written and may not even be called a relationship...I think their ‘roles’ in the relationship are pretty much like many people’s. The woman happens to submissive and the man dominant, but not in an extreme or overbearing way and is a nice balance. But in their live sousing of each other they both have their dominant areas.
Fitz(submissive)and Olivis(dominant)I see Fitz as the submissive...but in a subtle way. Once he is the President and all but their relationship is different.
Cersei(dominant) and Jamie(submissive)Cersei is pretty dominant...and their relationship became toxic because of it(other factors to)...so there are different levels to dominant-submissive relationships which I believe all are to some degree/extent.
They dont want to be the "bitch baby" 😂😂
FITZ'S VOICE SCARED ME
Mikayla Eneria I love it
DANIELLE I had to turn my volume down 😂😂😂 made me jump so hard
He Lost Control.
thank u next me too🤣
He just aggravated me
So is no one gonna talk about the level of acting skills that was displayed in this scene. I mean at one point I forgot this was just a series
This isn't about love, this is about power.
Fitz isn't at his best when he's angry.
It's always been about power
Love has power.
Brilliant actress omg her facial expressions and emotions
Her performance in this was just sooo powerful!
Who is watching this in 2020!I love this couple!
I'm going to watch this show all over again. Binge watch 😊
@Prima Donna am about to finish season 3 and am wondering if I should keep watching I already know the way it will end and it seems like it’s always the same story line I feel you so much on that.
I’m watching in 2021 😂
I'm still watching Scandal in Hulu 👍😀😀
I’m going thru an Olitz playlist, but I mostly read fanfiction bc I can do without the hours of other drama which is why I skipped the last two/three seasons
Well at least she finally sees how Mellie felt
True
she knew before
Jealous. Yes, now she knows what it's like to be jealous of her man's success.
@@rachybaby72 Olivia is the reason Fitz has his success. Fitz is a good man, but the people around him are the reason he is so successful. Fitz strong armed Olivia into living with him and doing the First Lady duties when it is HER job to fix things. She has a job, she already has success. Fitz forced this on her and she didn't fight it at first because she didn't want it to end.
@@megsmacgregs320 Well yes, she did steal the election, so she would be the reason for Fitz's success. Doesn't make her any less jealous...
"I am the big dog"
😂😂😂
She growled at him...he was so scared
I absolutely love that part.
This scene is hands down one of the best! I mean, they acted their faces off. It also showed the reality of Olivia/Fitz romance and took off the rose colored glasses. Mellie was right. It worked before because each of them played their part. Without her, it turned into this. With the added pressure of being in the public, they didn't really have a fair shot.
"There is no us, there is no Vermont, there is no Jam" 5 years later and this scene still hits the same. Love Kerry and Tony!
Yes me too!
Sayit again lol
Love to the 10th power
Such a toxic relationship... I'm older now ... Liv is such a toxic person and so is fitz
🎯🎯🎯🎯
They both said so pretty awful things they're both in the wrong here
It be that way sometimes ❤
I think they loved each other, but for the wrong reasons. Olivia loved that he was unavailable and didn't require any real commitment and Fitz loved that Olivia was an escape from the Presidency. I think that's why Jake scared Olivia so much, he knew exactly what he wanted and told her so. He represented reality and a real future and it terrified her.
These two are such great actors. Too bad they are saddled with this damn drama.
This is why I loved their relationship after this argument. This argument was so insightful it shed some new refreshing light into how they really saw each other and their simultaneous decisions to try and get back to each other was founded on this. I honestly loved the Olitz after the breakup their minds were much clearer
This scene irritated me because then it’s like y’all did all this for what you broke up this man’s marriage did what because in season 4 he and Mellie really got to a good place and Olivia always felt this way which is why she didn’t want him to divorce Mellie so why go along with it now when you already knew the outcome
@@marcusmelancon3426
Agree with you 💯!!!
There were a lot of truths spoken in the fight. They are the reason why this relationship wouldn't have worked, their pride, ignorance and utter selfishness is the reason why they couldn't be in a real relationship for more than a few months. They didn't take the time to actually get to know each other and learn to compromise and work as a team. They let their feelings and misunderstanding of each other dictate their relationship this entire time, so when the time came for them to finally be a couple for real, they were unprepared and they were going into this with anxiety, hurt feelings, and ignorance. This is why Olivia basically cracked under the pressure. True, Mellie didn't do much better but the difference is that Fitz and Mellie are a great team and they knew each other very well and learned around each other. Olivia and Fitz still needs time and they both need to leave their egos at the door and actually give this relationship a shot or they will continue to fail
Dinner is promptly at 7 pm
Stepford wife
Chronicles
What episode is this ?
Michael Gasaway Ii I think it’s season 5. After she got kidnapped and revealed that her and Fitz were a couple. I think the season finale or right before
Um it doesnt work because it led to a dead end.....never date a married man because he couldn't give Olivia what she truly wanted which was all of him.
@@mgcl9098 the last episode of season 5
their fight scenes were so powergul omg it really scared me 😫 kerry should won an emmy for every season, the way she delivered all the single scenes was just wow
It still amazes me Fitz never caught on to why they were arguing and why she missed the dinner. Olivia said “there is no future...not anymore” palmed her womb I just knew it meant terminating a pregnancy. But i guess that what the writers wanted us to see in the foreshadowing
I thought it meant she terminated her pregnancy too
He did figure it out in a later episode.
But it was never addressed
I'm so glad they both realized at that moment why Millie was the way she was and how she came to be that way. Olivia understood it better having been thrusted in Millies shoes and not even being able to handle it for a few weeks. Also watching Millie start to become a "big dog" herself & thriving at it. I hope they both knew at that point that if it weren't for Millie taking care of the part of Fitz's life she possessed that Olitz would never had survived as long as it did. Olivia finally got it but Fitz never did. He still had the nerve to look down on Millie.
I love that there's no music. Brillant acting
Finally some honesty
One of the qualities of love- honesty. I love how honest and truthful they were towards each other. Even when they argue, they are very passionate.💓💓💓
I didn't want to argue
The lighting elevates it and the fact there is no music in the background makes it scary you can feel the emotions and the pain
TOGETHER THESE TWO ARE DYNAMITE THE ACTING IS A- LIST BRAVO GUYS JUST BRAVO.
When she is talking about there is no Vermont and no future, she speaking on the abortion. She knew that was the future he wanted for them. Children and a family. She also knew telling him would destroy him so she walked away. She has major parental issues so I think the prospect of being a mom is what is scaring her into running. She's already taken on the duties of first lady, something she never wanted. Her life fast tracked when she and Fitz became official, suddenly she's now in Mellie's place. While Mellie was content with being a wife and mother, Olivia I don't think ever will be.
And Olivia's father most likely found a way to make Olivia miscarry her pregnancy. Also the fact that Olivia's father had Fitz's own son killed, it probably make Olivia feel guilty to be pregnant and make Mellie very resentful.
I agree, she definitely had reason to be scared of being a mother. She didn’t exactly have the role model parents. They honestly failed her in my opinion.
@@nryanmusic Arent you a woman? Am I crazy in believing in a women's right to choose? It was her child in her stomach that SHE would've had to carry to term. It would have her life that completely changed. Fathers can readily walk out of their children's lives if they want to. Women dont really have that option. Absent father's are a sad truth and people look down on them for it, but a mother who abandons her child is seen as scum. She did not want to be first lady. Having that child would have sealed that fate. That her burden to bear alone and she kept from him to save his heart. He would have understood, but it also would have broken him. The fact that she didnt want his child. The fact that he would have had another, the chance to start over after the death Jerry. She made the right decision for her while sparing the feelings of the man she had loved. Plus Fitz used the secret of the dead jurors (a terrible mistake on Mellie's part) to get what he wanted. Banish Mellie move Liv into the White House. Olivia was just as trapped in that White House as Belle was in the Beast's Castle. It was a manipulation of the grandest scale and Olivia knew it.
Who else jumped a lil when he yelled?Wow!!
The point is love isn't enough.We think that love conquers all and gets us through everything but it doesn't. When she was the mistress it was so easy for her to fantasize a future with Fitz. Then he made it to where it can become reality, she panicked. Her parents really messed her up. She keeps Jake around because it's easier to be with Jake. Remember she told Edison that she wanted difficult, painful, exciting, love where that's what she had with Fitz at first. Once he got the divorce,it became simple and easy and that was scary for her.
I don't know........I think she misses that sense of intensity that they had before......They were explosive........He mad wanted Her but He was married and that made Him unavailable that's where that painful part...... that's when She gave it all to Him but at the same time She kept Jake to fuel the flames...... when He did divorce Mellie and she moved in the white house She couldn't handle that lovey dovey stuff and being what She said what She said it was stifling to Her the intensity died down......... the Girl is used to chaos...... She was messed up when it came to commitment it scared Her.....She didn't want to be a Mellie ......I guess as long as He wasn't available She wanted Him and She used Jake to keeep Him at bay when needed..... that push and pull game..... Her father taught Her that love is an obstacle don't get to comfortable with it.......Deep down She wanted Fitz, no doubt that She truly loved Him and make a home and have kids with but that switch in Her wouldn't come on bcz of daddy dearest.....Guess why they didn't get married in the end......Looks like they were starting all over again to make it right for both..... This is just my opinion
amazing acting to Kerry and Tony this scene was excellent!!! 💓💕💛😁❤😍💖💟
Their acting was just breath taking here,
THis show has some of the best acting prime time has ever seen
Her eyes r so expressive
4:03-4:15 he was all dominant and then when she yelled he backed out like “damn girl chill” she the one whose dominant props👏🏻
At least they are honest.
she wasn't lying: her abortion came up lol and yea she didnt want to go to some boring ass dinner.
Olivia is really really damaged and indecisive. It's just sad
￦+F??
He did it to her 😬
@@aigtss not really. her parents did. she was the same with her prev boyfriend
Fitz was wrong for moving Olivia in the White House without her consent.
Yep I think she's in the wrong on this one.
As a human being, I still have not recovered from this.
I never would have
When she said There is no Us! As a man i felt that. I thought she was breaking up with me
The truth is Olivia only wanted Fitz when he was unavailable. How many times did he tell her she was more important than the White House only for Olivia to turn him down? Olivia doesn’t want to sacrifice her independence, her power because to be with Fitz means she has to be “Mellie” and take a backseat to his career. Full stop.
Someone mentioned that well now she knows how Mellie felt. The difference between Olivia and Mellie is, Mellie stayed and wanted to stay for power and political reasons, Olivia doesn't need nor want that type of life. Mellie was willing to endure it for herself. Olivia doesn't want that. I question if she ever really love/loved Fitz. Or did she just love the excitement of sneaking around with the most powerful man in the free world. She doesn't need Fitzgerald, he's obsessed and thinks he need her. Fitz needs to move on imo...
Whatever, I made this post weeks ago when I cared, I could care less about Olitz now, j/s. Still a fan of scandal, just not them. R.I.P. #Olitz
Hope you're right, but I wouldn't get your hopes up if I were you. Shonda has a way with screwing Olitz fans over.
Yeah but it was worse for Mellie cause if she left Cyrus would try to ruin her and she had covered up a rape
Mel Liggins Olivia loves Fitz . it wasn't about sneaking into the W.H .She is not that cruel . at least you can tell from her thing with Edison. she loved Fitz but he didn't listen to her. it was a sick relashionship for both of them
Mel Liggins maybe when Fitz will be just a man not a predsident they will have a chance of a new life (Vermont)
Olivia knew what she was getting into when she started dating a married man. No sympathy. Like get over yourself. She puts herself into situations where she makes herself the victim and then make herself seem like the "big dog" when really she just looks for ways out.
Okay duh, Olivia put herself in this situation. Fitz admitted whole hearted that he was married with children but Olivia skank ass thought she big dog that she could handle every "silver fox" that came her way. She whole hearted admitted she loved Fitz at the Constitution museum and agreed with Fitz that they were in this thing together. Olivia skank ass accepted Fitz ring Doux bebe, and while on the WH balcony, Fitz asked Olivia, "what happens now?" Olivia skank ass answered "whatever we want." So yes ma'am, Olivia skank ass is the terrible one. Because she knew just what she was getting into. She knew dang well Fitz was married but she slept with him on the campaign trail. Yep. Olivia is a skank.
I never thought any good would come out of this relationship simple fact that Fitz was a married man, Olivia started off lying to Fitz to begin with. I personally loved the way Fitz loved Olivia, the things he did for her like the ring, the house, putting on her hunting shoes, the way Olivia made Fitz smile. I just love the way Fitz loved his Livy. I knew their relationship wouldn't last. I just didn't like Olivia's inconsistency. One minute she said there was Hope and next minute she said there's no hope. smh
He's the one who took marriage vows, not her. She didn't seduce him into breaking his vows. He is equally if not more to blame.
What did she lie to him about from the beginning?
@@laurareznick9097 It's both of'em. And yes Olivia did seduce Fitz when she first approached him on the bus on the Campaign Trail. Mind you, Fitz was minding his own business and Olivia went and sat next to Fitz.... oh yessss, she had a motive. So in my opinion, Fitz is not equally nor more to blame. It's both of'em. It takes two.
Olivia, loved Fitz more, when he was unavailable, she felt safe by being on the sidelines. That way when the real thing came like ( moving into the whitehouse, a proposal, & marriage), she would be able to escape. She has issues from both parents. She lost her mother ( absentee at an early age, father who is a powerful, lonely hateful man). So she went to the best schools, highly educated, she was still missing her mother, and father. And looked to be with father figure men. Fitz, she loved, he loved her, but he was a bit of a baby man. Which was not for her. She's looking for a daddy.
Marion Johnson Jake was that daddy
Thanks God that this is just acting, because in real live every woman want to be LOVE with an man that can express his emotion,feeling like that, many man can't
Really looking for a daddy if i have to believe this Olivia have mind illnes,
I could not breathe when they were fighting, and I took deep breaths when there was a pause. That was intense!!!!!!!!
Me too. This felt like my parents were arguing
This season has me disappointed,'yall...
Bruh, I feel you
+Emily Meza olitz will be together
Do you thinl is really the end though?
+naspacific olitz might be together before his terms is over or after
+Tori White that scene though.....how can they recover from that? the words they ysed to describe one another....hurtful.....IDK
I know he has yelled at her before but when he did that I'm like do not yell at her 😂😂
Bro, My Heart Was Breaking.
Oooooo, he flinched when she said "where I came from?"
Millie left behind some liquid courage
Amazing acting!!! Timeless
Fitz and Olivia aren't over " Like Fitz said I'll never be over you, Olivia. This is a bump in the road true love always finds its way back home. Their love is to powerful to ever stop being meaningful Fitz sees a future with Olivia. Tony G sees a future with Olivia & Fitz in Vermont...
mm wb well said. Love they each other unconditionally.
@@smcbeth7 lol this did not age Well...
@@dejahturner16 it did. They ended up together
The most toxic onscreen couple in TV 📺 history 😢.
This was epic fight between them. That the words that they both shot at each other they couldn't take back...awful things
THERE IS NO JAM!!! D:
I see why people loved this show 🤣 that writing
"So you're bitter...is that it? After realizing how ineffectual you actually are?"
Damn that one went deeeeeeeeep
....anyone also notice they're literally speaking on the others last word; they've have the same fight so many times now, that all the layers are crashing and here is the cataclysmic finale #priceless
If both your ex-wife and your mistress both have to drink to have a conversation with you you are the problem
No,😱 they have the problem (Olivia and Mellie) because they are arcoholics 👍😭 Olitz forever 👍 Scandal Show forever 👍😃
This is one of the scariest and ugliest fights that can be shown between a black woman and white man on television. I'm so triggered. I kept thinking to myself that it was going to lead to actual physical violence.
Mac Morris that shii scared meh
This scene didn't scare me at all cause fitz is not a violent person. He would never put his hands on her. Now jake would.
This scene is peakkkk acting!!!
Her looking for the moonshine in that little ass jewelry box, sends me every time! 😂
One of the best episodes. I miss Scandal 😢
This scene summed up their relationship in 5 minutes.
😂
I love being proven right. I saw through this relationship from the very beginning. And I know this isn’t their end. I’ve watched scandal and rewatching it now but facts were spilled in this conversation especially that unavailable part.
Seeing this make wanna stay alone forever ....relationships are so hard
Am i the only person who thinks both Tony an Kerry's chemistry was soo great an strong on camera and that thinks they would have made a great couple in reality?
Wow their both great actors 😁😁😁❤❤❤
Me too 😍😍
Made a great couple in real life based on the scenes in a script? Naaah, besides they are both married to diff people.
They fight every episode 🤣 the most toxic relationship!
Olivia said " I am a BIG DOG!". LOVE IT!!
Acting skills 💯💯
One of the best tv shows
This breaks my heart, I hope they get back together eventually
They will the next season at the end of his presidency
No to much drama , yelling madness, they are not Happy
She's the problem starter in the relationship
Black Silk fudgeri47584
victoria wrepu bruh what ?
Always
These people are ridiculous. They love each other. No disputes there. The question is do they want to act on the feelings and form a life together or not? There’s no in between.
These two are so amazing! Love them together.❤️💙
I’ve never been a supporter of Olitz and I got to say, this is the nastiest break up scene I’ve watched in my life. At the end, they just wanted to hurt each other by saying what they truly thought in the harshest way possible. Both 🚮
And they still only spoke partial truths. This is ugly but there was plenty left unsaid.
This is my top favorite part of the whole scandal show and its my one favorite show out of all the shows I have and have watched.
Me too.
Keri did an excellent job of acting in this scene.
Clearly the love is still there. That's not what broke them up. What it is is that Olivia said that she didn't know Fitz available. When he was married she was able to leave him so many times but now that he is divorced and his presidency is almost over and the world has pretty much accepted their relationship shit just got real for her. This is so relatable for alot of people. When you're the mistress you are there to fill a void that the wife wasnt filling originally. In this case, Fitz ended up falling in love with her. He didn't want an affair for over 20 years like some people do. He wanted to let Mellie go so she could to allow herself to be happy and free and he can do the same for once. Now that he's single, she can't easily run anymore. Having the abortion was because she felt trapped in that life of first lady and she didn't want that. She wanted to continue to do what she was doing which was being there for her man and have her own life as well. Fitz shouldn't have moved her in. Everything was fine the way things were.
I dont feel sorry for liv in this scene. If she didn't want to be his first lady in public then she never should've moved herself into the white house in the season 4 finale and the beginning of season 5. She should've stayed home and just waited for fitz to come to her apartment as usual. She never should've told the world that she was his mistress. Having the abortion was because she had Rowan's warped sense of self loathing in her brain.
Maria she didn't move herself into the white house. He did, without her knowledge.
@@sdcr1077 yes she did. Season 4 finale and season 5 episodes 1 and 2.
@@mariajohnson2647 have to rewatch.
@@sdcr1077 i have rewatched scandal several times. Im sticking to my opinion.
Is that MOONSHINE? LOL Man thats the hard stuff!
Ladies and gentlemen, KERRY WASHINGTON 👐🏿👐🏿
Mellie lowkey told Fitz the same thing... he takes from the women he loves/loved and feels obligated in that just so he can be great.
I just love to see these two they belong together.
Absolutely because in the end when Olivia walked away from the WH and the corruption that comes with wanting power, Fitz was right there standing in front of her. Both of them ready to take on the next chapter of their lives.
When you find out in the next episode what she meant by “There’s no future, not anymore” this hits catastrophically harder. 🥺
How the hell is she worse than Mellie... Does it have to do with her nature of being independent that makes it hard for him to accept?
I miss Scandal. Bravo Sondra Rhimes for excellent writing ❤️
Whew Lawd!!! I think I need to watch the series again starting this weekend. 🗣 Olivia girl imma see you soon!!!
Hi who ever wrote the nonsense about Olivia that Fitz is a married man yes she knew and also Mellie so give Olivia a break
They both needed the hooch. Profound.
This scene is the perfect example of some women not knowing what they want and never being happy 😂😂
She always knew what she wanted. He never knew what she wanted.
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@ m humans she told him what she wanted, he didn't listen. It was about what he wanted.
@@sosopeople9157 She knew what she wanted, and she knew who she loved. She was scared so she ran.. plus she wasn’t sure who’s baby that was. Her parents taught her love is a weakness and that power is everything. She realized she was the problem, and she left the White House for good, and her and FITZ lived their dream the the young girl looking @ livs pic in the end was their baby they had together the older one was livs god daughter aka Cyrus daughter
@@sdcr1077 she got what she wanted, her and FITZ ENDGAME
I miss them 😥
Me too 😔😍
Now Olivia knows what mellie went through
If ur in 2021 ur a legend
the moment where good old olitz died :((( i miss season 1-3 olitz sm :(
I can only hear Tarzan screaming
No one talks about the abortion she just had before this scene it’s crazy that that’s not mentioned in this
mellie was the strongest. She survived fitz and the presidency without much complaining and she always did what had to be done. “Carry the cross on her back” as she would say
Mellie is not the strongest, Mellie was where she has always wanted to be "in the white house as 1st lady" so it was easy to sacrifice anything 4 it "u sacrifice 4 what u love" unlike Olivia she never wanted it she wanted power but she will rather wild power from the shadows. She never wanted to be trapped or be a prop which was y she always ran away from fitz anytime Mellie tried to use her as a prop to get to fitz
Surviving Fitz
Well, it was her wish to be the First Lady tbf.
This episode was finally on air in Belgium yesterday. They finally both said what is on their minds. Communication is the key to any good relationship! I hope they get back together in season 6 and then move to Vermont!😀 Because Olitz is the only real reason I am addicted to this show! Great actors by the way.
“So your bitter” 😂😂😂😍😍
Well looks like I'll be crying until Febuary 11
+Tresua Bouldin And maybe after!