20140221 晓说第二季 第四十六期 虎啸南天:对越反击战35周年祭
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Развлечения
越南刚从与美国这个大国的20年战争中走出来，经济疲惫不堪，又被美国及其盟友围攻和禁运，柬埔寨波尔布特大军出动后，越南并没有太平多久袭击了该国南部，造成数千名平民被屠杀，越南不得不发动反击，许多主力师必须立即前往柬埔寨战场。 令人难以置信的是，中国人认为越南以北部山区省份的少数当地士兵首先主动进攻中国，你有脑子，你一定会思考，对吧？？？
你是越南人，你还是没想明白，跟越南打战，是中国跟苏联交恶很多年的结果。你得懂那会中国跟苏联关系早就不好了十来年了。其中一起扶持的越南摆脱美国侵略后，马上一边倒向苏联对中国南北夹击。
打仗不需要借口吗？你是煞笔吗？
大家都有脑子，只有你没脑子
这场仗是个邓的投名状，替美国出气。普通人才没啥看法呢
就是侵略没啥说的，可怜那些将士，为了自己的使命牺牲，但使命欺骗了大家。
最近开始听 晓年鉴， 又回来这边 旧地重游。
好功力！頭腦冷靜，有啥說啥，不給統治者塗脂抹粉，佩服！
讲的不错，很客观真实.
想念高老师
好節目🎉
想回到2014年
傻逼
非常精彩，谢谢！还希望你能讲讲被俘士官们的结局
抗美援朝那期有说过，结局非常惨，中共没人性的
讲得太好了
八年后来重看，这战术打法和核酸防疫真的是同宗同脉了
八年！一直是你最精彩！
我老家有个老朋友是越战下来徐志友亲自用茅台给他敬过酒，今年差不多快七十了，听他说当时越南人很不好打，下雨山上留的水都是红的。第一场战争的时候中国人是没少伤亡是因为陆军和炮兵一听见炮想都乱了。后来适应几天就好了，当时他一个加强班才回来五六个人，后勤休息一个月又掉到前线当侦查代理排长。清理越军的堡垒，他说有一次五个越南人打中国一个营的兵力，最后他们消灭了越军看见一个女的胳膊受伤了。几个当兵的用刺刀挑起来，
竟放屁
@hill loku 蒋亿地是个反串狗，不用鸟它
徐志友是哪位😮许世友吧，三个字你错了两个，还把将军的姓都改了，你可真行😂
How are you Mr. Gao? We wish all fine and well. Please stay safe and healthy. We miss you.
支持高晓松老师
时间好快
点赞 同意 不能忘记那些为国牺牲的人
了解了那一段历史
观念我的青春啊，当年直追的节目😢😂
说得对，不能忘记一些人。
很有眼光的人。
10：00时候刻意回避了西哈努克和红色高棉的区别， 一遍接待西哈努克，一遍支持红色高棉，看似两边下注，结果两边不讨好
我小学二年级因为户口不在北京被逼遣返回云南，走之前爷爷奶奶就说要打仗，但也没办法，到了云南就看到一路的火炮坦克。之后读书的年代隔三差五就让所有同学带小板凳听英模报告，很快就听烦了，各种口音，好多是完全听不懂，但已经听明白了，有一堆自伤自毁骗军功的，还有就是趁机解决仇恨的，最著名的当然就是徐良，向自己首长打黑枪又被别人黑枪打成高位截瘫的。
徐良不是那个央视的英雄吗？哈哈哈哈，可见央视真心不能看。春晚的时候还专门一段时间拿他特写来歌颂哈哈哈
@@xjhajun1 他说的话有什么依据你也信？
Alo. Vừa ăn cướp vừa la làng😅😅😅😅
一直喜欢小松
高老师随便听了几个段子就来讲！对不住坐着的大沙发
As you all know, Americans have the most modern weapons in the world, but when they fought in Vietnam, they failed miserably, the blue slot war was the highest number of American soldiers killed in any war that the US had fought. have participated until now a history lesson that they still remind and never forget at all times when the president talks about the green slot campaign in Vietnam. China invaded Vietnam in 79 with the pretext of self-defense, but in fact China mobilized a large number of troops to attack 6 border provinces of Vietnam while Vietnam was helping Cambodia fight the Khmer Rouge. Cambodian and Vietnamese civilian killers China supported the Khmer Rouge and supported them to fight Vietnam. When the Chinese crossed the border to fight, Vietnam was left with only border guards and local militiamen and farm workers who stood up and took up arms to cooperate in combat, the Vietnamese elite were now in Cambodia fighting the Western border. Nam and the Khmer Rouge could not return in time. the Vietnamese militia and self-defense forces they did not have enough equipment when merging with the main soldiers and the border guards, they were as agile as the soldiers, they realized that the Chinese soldiers did not have a battle strategy, Cowardly, and do not know how to fight, that is only fighting with militia and self-defense forces. If they meet Vietnamese elite soldiers, China will suffer many times more damage. Visiting the old battlefield, the Americans still don't understand why Vietnam has a series of battles that cause the US and China to die so tragically, many soldiers return every time they think of the war in the jungles of Vietnam, they are terrified. How their comrades fell is a haunting error for them all their life, they have always been afraid of the Vietnamese forest.
Trong khi nước Việt nhỏ bé không lấn 1cm đất nào mà bảo là tự vệ. Công nhận diễn hề giỏi thật. Vậy mà mị được dân nữa chứ.
Họ diễn hài giỏi quá.
Rất tiếc không có phụ đề 😂😂😂
不管别人怎么说你，我还是挺喜欢你的。
因为他讲的很多事实，只有搞臭他，才能降低他的影响力
本人有軍事背景，越南戰略，誘敵深入，後打補給線！
非常棒
Các bạn Trung Quốc nghĩ gì về cuộc chiến tranh biên giới Việt-Trung 1979, tại sao các bạn lại nói đó là cuộc chiến tranh tự vệ trong khi bộ đội chủ lực của chúng tôi đang ở chiến trường Tây Nam Cambodia. Chúng tôi lấy đâu ra được lực lượng quân đội để tấn công các bạn, hãy suy nghĩ!
Việt Nam không lấn 1 tấc đất Trung Quốc mà lại xỏ xiên là tự vệ.
Xỏ xiên
所以战争真打起来就得狠！不然很多优柔寡断的死伤
名是自衛反擊戰,實是侵略行為,主要原因两個:1,越南揮軍打擊赤柬波爾布德集團,打越南可改救波爾布德;2,向美递交投名狀,聯美抗蘇,改革開放。
享受荣華富貴的是一衆高官老爺,老伯姓等來的只有失去親人的悲劇。
放尼玛屁
老百姓等来了改革开放，生活发生了翻天覆地的变化。
Bạn nói đúng
Chuẩn
Bạn chuẩn
别的不说，这位口才真好。希望还有机会能回来做节目。
矮大紧知识丰富见多识广
这个傻逼就是个脱口秀演员，
没文化只能练好口才了，不然怎么忽悠你们这样的😑
@@user-ei8on3ek7l井底的蛤蟆就是自大，告诉我，你有什么文化？
@@user-ei8on3ek7l瞧你那揍性
推荐看看448团突围的亲历者老鱼的《兵败如山》。
30:47 - 32:24 避雷
能追加吗？
用粟裕大将多好的
为天地立心，为生民立命，为往圣继绝学，为万世开太平
以后只能在RUclips上看你了。
😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
这货有啥好看的？
@@guoxhs then why are you here?
@@derenggefu802 问得好
@@derenggefu802 路过
高晓松还真是一角啊。
我家一位亲戚，当时在黑龙江雪地里面趴了一个月。当时的命令就是“南打北防”
哈哈哈防蘇聯
请问我们现在有军衔了吗？
飞夺泸定桥是杨成武
我以前的部队坦克查履历簿上面都有记录，在哪里受损，被什么弹打的，对照履历簿查坦克还可以找到打的补丁，基本每个坦克都有洞
太酷了
直升机多珍贵
七年了，我看了这么多年
UI agony ot rhythm and u we tra
@@Mr390101 jj
我也没想到2022年我还在看高晓松，国内现在还有啥可看的
当时两个阵营的内部关系，用一句话来概括就是“君子和而不同，小人同而不和”！好在现在“小人”所剩无几了！
是啊我们现在
一切为了不被
已经7年了，时光飞逝啊
还是喜欢
这期节目真是高晓松的滑铁卢
滑铁卢应该是印度那集
不错
我小时候就听说这场战争 以至于成年后澳洲留学 看到越南同学还觉得心有余悸
你怕他们！
你汉家儿郎，有什么可怕的？
没有这场战争，改革开放不会顺利，你也不会有机会去澳洲留学，不要圣母
@@user-gw3ke4zh9r 人家可是玩过真AK
你怕什么?
我去，这已经10年啦😮
回味
希望世界和平，不在在站争。
说的这么公道为啥在墙内还被禁言？
你这不是自问自答么？共产党要你说的是公道话？
@@ngflycloud 都是野史，完全是反动言论，他自己一直都被人讨论有问题
共产党讲公道？
@@user-jk9gf5gb5u 反动？你正着动动我看看
@@user-jk9gf5gb5u 秽史掩盖了正史
哎，到了今天，我也44了
希望政客们多打点嘴炮就好，不要让普通老百姓们去填命。
要相信政府背后有大智慧，₍ᐢ⸝⸝› ̫ ‹⸝⸝ᐢ₎
交惡的惡字，應該怎麼䜖 ？
越南是厉害国的未来
你好
说的太好了。就是语速快了些。谢谢！
ABC吗？我是2倍速看的
不是都下架了吗？这里怎么还有？
国内 小松已经被封杀了，来这里看看，有些东西说的还是不错了。
没封杀吧。不是还上央视被网友骂到下线么？
只有他在讲，烈士的不易和我军的英勇，结果就他成了公知，讽刺不讽刺……呵呵，喊口号的还不如一个文化的传承者，这是一个什么政府！教育出来的什么国民？！
我们已经几十年没打过仗了，感觉现在我军的战力堪忧啊
对越作战部队穿的解放鞋是专制的。鞋底有防竹签的钢板，高帮解放鞋。比平时的解放鞋要重许多。
你往鞋里放个钢板看还能走路不？那种解放鞋只是鞋底厚一点而已，缺点是脚很快就磨破没法穿，完全是浪费资源
才子
讲的真好！学
你说的炮瞄雷达实际上炮兵定位雷达，可以根据敌方炮弹的轨迹算出发炮点，这是瑞典70年代初期产品。中国通过第三国得到两套。越战中，越南派特工潜入雷达站，炸毁了其中一台。有关资料，在“文学城”军事栏目可以查到。
文学城已被轮子攻破
矮大紧这方面还挺专业，他清华学雷达专业，虽然退学了
你不用和他说雷达的事儿，他比你专业
印吹-高欢
能在中国讲历史，10句话里有8句是真话，就很逆天了。所以别太认真的当历史看。
男声旁边居然是庄河口音，太扯了吧，高兄咋选的？
9年前了时间过的太快了😂
1.痛打了越南后，换来了10几年的中美蜜月。
2.强化了邓在军队的领导力。
3.震慑了苏联
我想提醒你思考一個問題，你算算視頻中講我軍負面內容的佔到多少比例？不是說那次戰爭中沒有負面的點，而是，如果一個節目，面向大衆的節目中，絕大多數時間都在講我軍的失誤、錯誤甚至所謂不正義，那你要想想這個視頻講解者的用心是什麼。（這可不是我軍內部總結經驗教訓的節目）。
@@LiH-jt7ik 還有，有事說事，把說濫了的玻璃心掛嘴邊只能說明你沒有自己的思考，也不禮貌
@@LiH-jt7ik 西方怎麼講，那才是最不可能客觀啊，因為牠們是多年的敵方陣營，唯一的態度就只能是抹黑啊。向牠們靠攏會是客觀的？不敢苟同。
@@LiH-jt7ik 所謂玻璃心往往被用作無賴型的邏輯詭辯術，我說你的壞話，你不可以反駁，否則就是玻璃心……這是百分百純正的混蛋邏輯
事实而已！直面自己的不堪，知耻而后勇你不懂？
高晓松是我最喜欢的艺术家，文人，他的晓说在中国是最受欢迎的节目，同类节目无人能及，可惜在体制的铁拳下再也无法在国内看到他了
正常。现在国内粉红当道。
@@user-tg1uf8vj3w 台湾不是哇军当道？
减肥吧！高老弟！
一将功成万骨枯
不得不说，高桑说的也有点道理
国内能让看这个？
咋不让了
对付白眼狼，只能用雷霆手段
社会主义国家不是永远是对的么
Việt Nam không lấn 1 tấc đất mà rêu rao là tự vệ. Toàn diễn viên hề đẳng cấp quốc tế.
高老弟加油💪！十四億中國人惟一敢說真心話的！大哥欣賞你！
下次耒德州先通知一下！大哥請你吃德州大牛排🥩！
山东德州
@@jiongfang9581 🤣
拉倒吧 德州扒鸡有什么好吃的
人家矮大緊高級人
都吃日本A5和牛
誰跟你吃下等人德州牛仔啊
笑死
你错了，这个是地地道道美国人，与14亿人为敌
又是7年过去了
1、谅山离友谊关距离大约仅仅15km；
2、从友谊关到河内沿途仍然蔓延着无际的山区！
所以撤军是无奈之举！
都打到河内门口了，河内已经开始搬家了，无奈个啥？
@@user-ly5cg3sg2s 谅山离河内还有125km，而且还有无数的大山。
从友谊关打到谅山15km打了多久？死伤多少？？？
@@forrestfreeri794 越吹连点逻辑都不讲的吗？如果真像你说的有无数的大山，PLA死伤无数，无力进攻河内，那河内慌根毛线啊，至于发出了全国总动员令，在河内市区挖掘防御工事，各国外交代表团也开始向河内以南转移？从柬埔寨撤回来的越军正好来教训PLA嘛，至于像个跟屁虫一样远远地看着PLA大摇大摆地回国？不是说好的打到南宁过春节的吗？！
@@user-ly5cg3sg2s 老子走过那条路！
@@forrestfreeri794 牛B
谁教教，中间旁白的是哪里的方言？
中间插入之动画内容是败笔！
挺热的穿个皮衣，还真是矮大紧😂
穿个皮衣，扇着扇子，这货太装逼了
最后被围的那个团最惨，听一位老兵口述主要的原因还是指挥的不协同，后面已经宣布撤军也不好再出兵救援，只得各自突围活着回来的人不多，活着回来的人多少也受歧视，每次听这位大爷讲起来令人唏嘘
我表哥当时是福建炮兵副连长，他连队抽调了20多个人打越南，一开始中国损失惨重，死亡比是7:1，而且越南主力在柬埔寨。
@@simonz2468 都是十七八岁的娃娃兵
@@simonz2468 当时最精锐的甲种师都在东北西北一线防苏联进攻，越南都是乙种师战斗力不行
宣布撤军就不对，应该再深入，达成停战协议再撤兵
那样会被打的更惨
文山，屏边的烈士陵园看到烈士的年纪很多才17,18岁，入伍不到三个月
八年了，每次见到你的抱枕，都能冲一发
兄台口味够重
这战是送给美围的投名状。
剪删没有？？
去吧！當時有個軍事研究初期就是死了6萬。然後才開始注意兵种協同
每年都应该给哪些在解放战争、朝鲜战争、对越自卫反击战、对印战争等中牺牲的烈士们颁发国家补贴，不能让烈士们又流血又流泪。
I don’t agree.
发了，我爸去过越南，但没开枪就回来了，每个月都有补助。还有一个，说出来你都不信，他在很小的时候随口给游击队员指点了一下，就这一件事，每个月发几千块钱。
Đó là cuộc xâm lược Việt Nam khi Việt Nam khó khăn nhất. Trung Quốc thật là bẩn thỉu
Lũ Trung Quốc xâm lược, đánh không được lại bịa đặt bảo là mình bị tấn công. Thật nhục nhã. 1 nước nhỏ lại dám xâm lược nước lớn ư? Người dân Trung Quốc thật ngu đần mới tin những gì chính phủ của họ nói
听了晓松的节目有几年了, 还是学到不少知识. 看到今天的晓松, 哎可惜了.
高晓松挺好的 得罪人了被 你懂的
这样的人被禁了也好，国内的很多人不值得享受这么优质的资源
@@KingerHammer 啥乱七八糟的
@@user-no7xt9be1x 別陰謀論，他被封是輸出扭曲價值觀的原因。
就是街头说评书的！漏洞一大堆！说什么五十年代后再没打过仗！62年打印度不是打仗吗？69年打苏联不是打仗吗？这货的话听听就好，他说的是评书单口相声
可惜了 刚开始的几句话一语成戢
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There were 4 families in a suburb call “the World”: America - the richest and most powerful, China -the second richest and powerful, Vietnam - a poor but brave family living in a house just in front of China’s, Cambodia - a poor family who live in the right of Vietnam’s house.
Not long ago, America intruded into Vietnam’s garden and beat his wife and son badly for some unclear reasons, Vietnam stood up and chased America out of his garden, although he got several injures.
During that time, Cambodia told China about his will to erase his current family to free himself for a new marriage and got China support. China gave him money to buy gun and promise to keep quiet.
While Vietnam was putting bandage on his wife’s and his own wounds from the fight with America, Cambodia quietly came over to Vietnam’s garden and stabbed Vietnam’s son who was playing there. Hearing his son’s scream desperately, Vietnam rushed out to see his son in a blood pond. He could only have enough time calling his wife to take care of the poor boy and ran followed Cambodia.
Cambodia ran back home and locked his wife and daughter in a room, shoot one of his son in his head, beat the other son till dead, and kept hitting his wife and toddle who were tied to a chair. Vietnam was in front of Cambodia’s house knocking on the door to ask Cambodia out to talk; in reply he could only hear Cambodia’s wife and little toddle scream in dismay.
The whole neighbourhood heard the scream. China turned his music loud pretending he could not hear anything. People from other nearby houses peered their heads out of their windows asking what’s happening? America knew Cambodia’s wife and children were in danger but because all of his hatred to Vietnam he just hoped Cambodia would kill Vietnam too. So America shouted to everybody to get back to their houses, nothing wrong.
At this state, Vietnam decided to break into Cambodia’s window, ran through the kitchen, up to the bedroom where Cambodia’s stabbing nonstop his wife. He broke in the room, fought Cambodia to the floor, got shot in his leg but managed to tie Cambodia’s hands.
China saw it all, he ran out in front of Cambodia’s house and shouted to all neighbours, “Vietnam intruded Cambodia, I’ll teach him a lesson”. And there he ran to Vietnam’s house with his son holding the sharpest knives that they have; they broke the door and immediately stabbed Vietnam’s injured wife and son. Vietnam’s wife bravely fought back, got many wound but managed to badly injure China. Vietnam’s wife let China and his son to withdraw and she hurried back to her son who was bleeding on the floor. On the way out, China and his son destroyed the whole Vietnam’s kitchen.
In front of Cambodia’s house, all neighbours were drawn by America and China and were shouting at Vietnam who was inside, condemned his action as an intruder and asking him out to give his hand up. Nobody care to Vietnam’s wife and son who were begging for help just nearby. Vietnam untied Cambodia’s wife and toddle, gave them a knife to protect themselves, and then decided to go back home to take his wife and son to hospital. When Vietnam’s gone, all neighbours got in and called police to catch the already tied Cambodia. On the way Vietnam drove his car to hospital, people yelled at him for his intrusion into Cambodia’s house.
Sometime later, Cambodia’s wife and toddle recovered, and now lived in the house with no man. China is tempted by Cambodia’s wife, they have kept flirting recently. To bribe Cambodia’s daughter, China have bought a lot of sweet for her. This naïve little girl enjoys the sweet so much that now she likes China more than anyone else. And as her memory about what happened faded away, she even starts learning Vietnam hatred from China.
At Cambodia’s tribunal, he was the only one who faced the verdict, the one who gave him support was not named. America and other neighbours got medals for their courage acts. Vietnam’s name was never mentioned. However, in some of their accusation, Cambodia’s wife and daughter blame Vietnam for intruding into their house and ask for his compensation for their broken windows and doors. When being asked about “gratitude”, they answer “We could have been able to free ourselves without Vietnam’s intervention”
There were 4 families in a suburb call “the World”: America - the richest and most powerful, China -the second richest and powerful, Vietnam - a poor but brave family living in a house just in front of China’s, Cambodia - a poor family who live in the right of Vietnam’s house.
Not long ago, America intruded into Vietnam’s garden and beat his wife and son badly for some unclear reasons, Vietnam stood up and chased America out of his garden, although he got several injures.
Thật chính xác..Thanks fr VN..Mỹ ,China luôn là nạn nhân của VN thế mới tài dù VN nhỏ bé tý ti..Họ luôn thắng ơn Tivi..Ở VN có câu..Vừa Ăn Cướp Vừa La Làng quả đúng với 2 kẻ đạo đức giả này.
Một câu chuyện hài hước và thâm sâu. Rất chính xác. Và đó là sự thật.
飞夺泸定桥？小松也认这些啊