A Plunge into the Myth of Normal with Dr. Gabor Mate and Roshi Joan Halifax
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- This very special conversation between Dr. Gabor Mate and Roshi Joan Halifax in 2022 offers insight into the myth of "normal" as we seek to center ourselves amidst vast global shifts in recent years. This conversation is offered by Upaya Zen Center, a Buddhist monastery in Santa Fe, New Mexico which offers daily Zen meditation, weekly dharma talks, and programs on Buddhist teachings, Buddhist art, neuroscience, and social engagement. We also conduct professional trainings for end-of-life care and Buddhist chaplaincy.
Learn more about current in-person and online programs available to our global sangha at www.upaya.org/
I love this man and what he is doing for humanity…I have just got his book..❤
Two profoundly enlighted human beings together!! Wonderful!!
I have listened to Gabor Mate for years - this, for me was the best xxx
Same :)
Another wonderful podcast with Gabor Mate. His openness and integrity are refreshing. A very helpful podcast. His books are full of information and wisdom.
I cried; I follow Gabor closely now and his work has deeply touched my life. I’ve watched fifty or more of his interviews and read his work. There were a few specific questions I had that I had never (yet) been able to find answers to, that were answered here today. Thank you again Gabor.
Oh man that was real and made me cry
I have been very interested in Gabors way of processing these traumas and feel like he’s a brother from another mother…very unlike my own many brothers!
He had taken this to a level in which some will run and hide from and some will embrace.
Anything is good to help us all wake from what we’ve been programmed to believe
Thanks bro
Totally agree with what Gabor said about the system!!!
Rage against the Machine is more meaningful now than ever!
Whew. Wow! I am deeply grateful to you Gabor Mate. A gift to humanity.
Praying for everyone here. Healing, revelation knowledge, freedom, blessings, and love ❤🤲
Wow, so beautiful both Joan and Gabor plus the vulnerable courage of the beautiful people who who opened themselves up ❤❤
Rachel, with ancestrial trauma there's an important book out there by Mark Wolynn: "It didn't start with you. How Inherited Family Trauma Shapes Who We Are and How to End the Cycle". This is work we as family/parents can do that frees our kids so they don't have to carry whatever they take on from those who came before us!
To get to witness Gabor's compassionate inquiry -- live in action with different individuals -- is illuminating, invaluable, validating, sky-opening. It transports all of his talks, research, work/life experiences & books -- out of the realm of assertions & postulations -- and into reality, relevance, translation, actualization & reverence. I wish to forward gratitude to all who made this possible (mentors, facilitators, students, participants, technicians, administrators, Universe, God, humanity, et al, et aliae). ~ Wopila
"I hold that the perfection of form and beauty is contained in the sum of all men (& women).” ~ Albrecht Dürer
"The story tells us that living the life of an artist is not as useful as living our lives as a work of art." ~ Martin Prechtel
“What lies behind you and what lies in front of you, pales in comparison to what lies inside of you.” ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Persist upon your pain, that it not be in vain. In uncovering meaning & value, comes comfort & elevation." ~ Paul Jung
"Don't be afraid of your despair. Be gentle with yourself. Take your time with this journey. Let despair guide you to the self you need to birth, the meaning you need to make, the world you need to serve. Let it reward you with a resilient faith in life." ~ Miriam Greenspan
"Your sadness doesn’t make you less of a human being. In fact, it makes you more. More expansive. More connected. Painfully beautiful. Raw. Open. Completely alive." ~ Panache Desai
"The most beautiful people we have known are those who have known defeat, known suffering, known struggle, known loss, and have found their way out of the depths. These persons have an appreciation, a sensitivity, and an understanding of life that fills them with compassion, gentleness, and a deep loving concern. Beautiful people do not just happen." ~ Elisabeth Kübler-Ross
"Repeatedly in the testimony of survivors there comes a moment when a sense of connection is restored by another person’s unaffected display of generosity. Something in herself that the victim believes to be irretrievably destroyed -- faith, decency, courage -- is reawakened by an example of common altruism. Mirrored in the actions of others, the survivor recognizes and reclaims a lost part of herself. At that moment, the survivor begins to rejoin the human commonality..." ~ Judith Lewis Herman
"The most tender tears, the most tender kisses, the most tender wishes -- come from the gut, grime, grit, and glory -- of a life grasped in full." ~ Paul Jung
What an amazing conversation, learnt so much from the amazing people who showed up to speak openly.
I am so deeply grateful for the work that these two people have done and continue to do. I also want to acknowledge the work that we individuals are doing in our own lives, the deep introspection, processing, and integration is profound, and certainly not easy. May we all be blessed to find the practices and therapies that bring us into perfect relationship with ourselves and all our relations🙏🏽
My trauma is currently expressing with depressive symptoms, as well as phobias and panic attacks. I am taking away the idea of exercising self-compassion and stopping putting other people's needs before my own. Also want to read Dr. Maté's books. Not sure how much can be remedied, as I have been unemployed for 4 years now and may not have an easy time finding a life calling. But I think I am starting to see that it is more important to be self-compassionate than to be successful and to please other people.
Save yourself before it manifests into physical health issues like it did for me.
@@chadmichael_ So true, it has in my case in the form of cancer I am also implementing Dr Joe Dispenza meditations, returned the wheelchair to the hospital.
@@a-k6575 That is amazing. I know just how hard it is to stay on track mentally with all the chaos around you. In my case, although I have underwent a transformation, the environment around me, as in the people, never changed. And therefor it is very easy to slip into old ways of thinking with all the pressures around me. But I KNOW it is making me sick and I know it has taken me so far off track of who I was meant to be that I try my hardest to fight back against it without totally destroying my life by getting fired from my jobs or getting kicked out of my house lol. Because it requires you to fight back in a way and stand up for yourself and push back against others who you have unwittingly let walk all over you and define who you are. It's very hard but it's what keeps us alive.
"It is no measure of health to be well - adjusted to a profoundly sick society"
~ J Krishnamurti
Everyone in the world is hungry for Love.
Under the ego's direction we are led on fruitless searches, looking for Love in all the wrong places.
The ego's goal, is always to avoid Love, for the full acceptance of Loves oneness would be its end.
We are hungry because we want to return to awareness of our true self. We want to return to our Source - God. We want to return to Love, our true identity.
A fearful mind spins a web of complexity that makes the hardships of the world seem inescapable. A Course in Miracles tells us that life does not have to be hard and the world that fear has fabricated is entirely escapable.
Boil every choice down to what heals versus what hurts, answer fear with Love and you will find the peace you seek - guaranteed🌟
You cannot be where God is not☮️❤️🙏
Are you familiar with Irene Lyon? She has a lot of resources that you might find helpful. Good luck with your healing journey ❤
Such profound shifts I felt within myself…thank you so much! ❤
Deserves a Nobel prize.
I love how he can be just a little bit snippity even with a Zen teacher.
Conversation with Gabor begins at 13:20
Thanks!
Thank you!!!!
What a beautiful woman. I hope I look this good later in life (not long away)
Amen!
Bravo and thanks 👍 for defining the cous of trauma;
Autoimmune system is created by environment after being present down in pain.
Blessings for education
I needed this today. Thank you ❤
Just listening to this conversation between two of my favourite people. So far, incredible. Thank you Roshi, thank you Gabor. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you Roshi Joan, profoundly enlightening
Hermosa mujer. Gracias
Thank you for this! ❤️🙏❤️
Incredible - thank you!
Very interesting discussion! 👌
I'd respectfully like to add that we should beware of seeing intrinsic value into trauma and healing because that can create a vicious cycle of attachment to pain that doesn't serves health in any way. Demonising trauma is just as shortsighted as seeing it as a source of strength, trauma happens and luckily we can heal but the focus should stay on how to maintain health without having to continuously deconstruct and reconstruct until scars are so rigid that true evolution remains stuck in cycles.
Wow!
I really like what Gabor said about the system, I also feel that pushback when in spiritual circles there is talk that we are the system. That being said, there is a similar statement that has more validity, namely, that the system is also inside of us.
Not in a way where we are designing it or we *are* it, that we are willing participants, but simply because as subjects of the system, its logic infiltrates our subconscious mind, and we take on its values and deceptions. This is done forcefully, it must be said, but its imprints on our psyche is not to be underestimated.
So there is a part of the system that, to varying degrees, we internalize. You can see this in the way the descendants of slaves tragically whip their children at higher rates, or, more controversially, the way the descendants of Holocaust victims treat their neighbors in Palestine. Given Gabor's prior statements, I'm pretty sure he would agree.
That all being said, Gabor is very right to point out that these structures are to some extent designed (they're also emergent) and are working as intended for a small minority of beings, at least on a material level. I appreciate that point because it can be seen as a dualistic or discriminative idea to put out there, but it is the reality.
Thank you so much for this
🙏🌹💖
Is the first part also available?
"Self-care is not selfish. One cannot serve from a broken plate."
"What do I need now, is a self-care mantra, that answers your needs."
"I have a physical body, a mental body, an emotional body, and an "external" body. Attend to that which needs strengthening. Adding strength to one, adds strength to all."
"Our minds, emotions & culture, think we can consume & do anything, anytime... but Mother Nature, & our bodies, say otherwise." "While I can't control everything in life, I can control what I put into my body, and into the body of my life." "Consume with discretion. Create with discretion. Command & collectedness follows."
"The quality and balance of our connections to all (food, environment, family, community, work, faith, etc.) determines our health (/spirit). Reflect on and adjust to, what's diminished, or out of balance."
"As within, so without: self-care = other-care; self-understanding = other-understandng; self-growth = outer-growth; self-harmony = outer-harmony. Divine & boundless is the journey of the self. In deed, and indeed, self-care is a gift, unwrapped & boundless."
"Enlightenment.. is lightening the load -- upon oneself, and for beyond one self."
~ Paul Jung
19:09 - What is blocking our true selves? that's the work, isn't it? Uncovering patterns, blocks, and belief systems. Uncovering our shadows, bringing them to light. Gabor has an amazing ability to reveal the underlying issue out of the question, to reframe and bring light to it for the client to have that aha moment/lightbulb. It's not the vitality, it's the distraction of others, feeling others' pain, and grief, and avoiding our own, which somehow makes us FEEL better, but worse? Oy vay! As an Empath, I so resonate with this, (I was a people pleaser & caregiver and felt it was my duty to others first) NO more! Boundaries, self-care, self-love, healing, forgiveness, and responsibility (our own, no one else's) 😇❤ I had to edit - the resentment piece - wow! Mic drop...
Thank you. I learned a lot.
To clear up one very common misconception, "The Selfish Gene" is not about people being selfish. Evolution favours the genes that reproduce by whatever means. Humans have a much better chance of reproducing if we cooperate. Therefore we are genetically hardwired to have empathy (unless something goes wrong). The book even has a chapter, "Nice Guys Finish First."
Yo this stuff is really helping. Damn Im jealous of you Roshi, youre not kind? but we all got somethin. Oh wait I mean toxic kindness.
the longing and the grief debilitate and paralyze me.
sadness and grief and longing and aching and misery and nostalgia: flood me.
my heart literally physically hurts.
HOW COULD HE DO THIS TO ME?
HOW AND WHY?
he doesn't miss me?
I'm that easy to replace?
I'M THAT EASY TO BE THIS CRUEL TO?
I don't deserve a goodbye nor an explanation?
our connection and friendship wasn't real?
I AM STUCK IN FREEZE (mostly, perpetually).
my heart is so heavy.
the grief; the ache; the longing.
I miss him.
I needed him.
I miss our connection.
HOW THE FUCK COULD HE ACTUALLY REALLY DO THIS TO ME?
One day we're talking all day, every day,
the next, we're complete strangers.
I die inside.
PANIC PANIC PANIC
AND. SO. MUCH. GRIEF!!
I truly die inside.
The pain is unbearable.
I am dizzy with grief.
Truly unimaginable darkness.
DEBILITATING PARALYZING PANIC...
I wish to die.
I have severe PTSD.
the person whom I thought was my best friend,
gave me this PTSD. he raped me. on a soul level.
he viciously brutally violently maliciously raped my soul.
ghosted me. discarded me like garbage. replaced me for another.
(STUPID SICK MOTHER FUCKING ASSHOLE, HE IS!!)
I feel the PTSD in my body. I am drowning in darkness.
I'm in hell with no escape.
I face every moment of every day:
with utter dread and sheer terror.
so...
as an act of my own free will...
I choose to release and detach all vibrations and frequencies
that do not serve my highest good.
I responsibly cut all cords from all people in my past,
and declare and command their energy to no longer have access
to the sacred parts of my being!
I release and send back their energy to them
with the purest intent.
I call back my energy from their sacred space.
I command this all, for my inner healing and for my inner peace.
IN JESUS' PRECIOUS HOLY MIGHTY POWERFUL NAME, I DECLARE, IT IS SO!
I am embracing the light within my soul.
I forgive therefore I am forgiven.
I love therefore I receive love.
And so it is.
NOTES TO SELF:
- work on yourself
- heal yourself
- purify, release, cleanse, attract
- be independent; fall in love with you
- radiate magical energy
- develop a sense of mystery and safety and astonishment
- visualize wishes fulfilled (COMMAND and FEEL)
- live your life on purpose
- Radical Honesty = EASY (if you're not afraid of losing something)
Thank you Heavenly Father ❤
Thank you Universe ❤
Thank you God❤
Thank you Gurus❤
Thank you Angels❤
Thank you Ancestors ❤
Thank you Divine Spirit ❤
Thank you Mother Earth ❤
(A successful (wo)man is one who can lay a firm foundation:
with the bricks that others have thrown at them...)
❤❤❤ Gratitude
- I AM feeling the love from the Universe.
- I AM feeling a sense of purpose in my life.
- I AM being shown and given a magical and miraculous way of living.
- I AM connecting with my soul tribe, and (re)uniting with my twin-flame.
❤PEACE❤
All the doors to the sacred and to the holy and to the benevolent and to the healing,
be open to me, and to my family (and to all who read this), in Jesus' Name...
It is during this hour of NOW, that destinies become miracles! Hallelujah ❤
Heard the first 3 mins but can't listen now (looking forward to it later) Just to say that Nelson Mandela was in prison for 27 years the last few of which was on land in a very comfortable accommodation as he refused to leave prison until his expectations were met. Wise man.
Quisiera saber si hay alguna manera de escucharlo o leerlo en español. Gracias!.
Gabor’s work needs to be required in public education from pre-k on, along with brene brown and such. This was f’ing incredible
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will the video of Gabor's morning session at Upaya be posted as well?
Is it correct that Doctor Mate considers persons who have chosen not to submit to the prescribed MRNA injections "neurotic"?
Thank you 💖💛💚💙💜
🥰🐣🐾🐸🌼🐝🤍🤎🖤🥁🌸🕉️
NO DRUGS, Im SOBRIETY
1:47:07
Why do blind people never get schizophrenia
My guardian angel if you wanna call him that sent me this and I truly feel 20 minutes in the woman talking in the beginning as a victim of the system being she thinks climate change is actually real. It’s not weed control or whether it’s literally NCIA documents and I love the fact you’re talking about how fucked up the political system is but all you guys are doing is complaining I feel someone famous should put up a big screen by the house and senate chambers telling people what the bill is that they are voting on and what the person we elected voted for that way we can organize people to at least be aware
Cornering Jennifer in a top down cross examination is not the right way to meet her. She is also getting a lot of recognition, fulfillment and purpose from this sacred work.
“So why are you still doing it?” does not meet her. It’s as if quitting was the only right and only way.
This guy has wisdom, but people who make "gotcha" statements bother me. He does that alot.
Thanks for saying that! I am glad I am not the only one who noticed this. Rather arrogant of him to do it!
best
We don’t forgive we just move onto the next trauma, pretty much every person you’ve ever seen staring off into space and making a disgusting face out of nowhere not thinking anyone’s working versus a flashback to a random embarrassing moment and it sucks that those are the things that pop in to your head or maybe not maybe it’s to help you appreciate who you are now
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18 minutes in I have your answer you guys have gone through shit and instead of dealing with it, you turn it into advice and that’s how people like you and me get excited because we think our words are heard and help them better their lives which helps better somebody else’s life and that way we concentrate on that instead of the sadness of the shit we fucked up
Dr. Mate sounds somewhat frustrated with something.
You guys keep telling people how to deal with it after it happens why do I feel like you guys just need to go out and prevent it before it happens you know why you guys don’t do that because then nobody nobody strong. We are the ones who, for lack of a better example for the first ones off the boat in Normandy know where the reason you need to appreciate everything you have.
The body express a lot of trauma symptoms when it is deficient of inorganic minerals. Ref Schusslers cell salts.
Man u talk to much!
She's too up in the head and out of touch. That constant smile is a clue.
I think she's coming from a different philosophical perspective. Eastern thinking accepts that pain in normal, going with the flow.
"Roshi" 😅
This is a woman with decades of experience in healing and meditation,she certainly is not "in her head"and just because she smiles at times is no indication of this.She is a woman of deep compassion and who has gone through her own deep healing.Just because she doesn't have Gabors more dour look does not mean shes out of touch.She has worked with some of the best healers and people like Stan Groff who are leaders in the healing field.
She knows it is polite. That was her generation. Our generation doesn't know anything about smiling. You smile at someone and you get a hostile look. We are so stressed out, we don't know how to smile at strangers.