Petit message d'un collègue vidéaste français, c'est toi qui m'a motivé pour passer de ma 4K à la 6Kpro, et depuis je regarde toutes tes vidéos, chaque fois c'est un bonheur, le rythme est calme, les plans sont de très bon goût et la colo est impecc', meilleures vidéos pour me détendre (et quand même devoir réprimer une envie folle de claquer 10k dans des objos anamorphiques dont j'ai pas besoin). Continue de nous régaler !
Of all the cleaner under $10K a lens cinema glass, this is the look I'm reaching for, DZO finally made my list, exciting times for the budget shooters out there. Thank you for another direct informative video, your reviews are some of the best as you actually shoot with what you review, and your stoic approach reviewing is very refreshing and appreciated.
I really love the look of these. Thank you for the in-depth review and that last video you did. They are now on my to buy / rent list! The DZO Retros are my favorite but these come close!
Great video as always! Thank you very much! I like how you never fail to provide plenty of real life footage filmed in different lighting conditions in your reviews. I never miss any of your videos and try to learn from each one of them. The composition in your videos is always spot on. Are you planning to do a video on composition by any chance? As an amateur videographer, I would find it very helpful and educational. Thanks again for another great video and best of luck with new projects!
Thank you for the positive feedback, I really appreciate it!! I never really thought about doing a dedicated video on composition but I will definitely keep that in mind. I did touch on it in a few videos but never made one just on that topic. Thanks for the suggestion :)
"Will likely use the Pyxis soon..." Hmmm.... But mostly I love this part of France but I haven't been to Arles and your footage really makes me want to go!
Yeah I’m hoping to get my hands on it asap, feels like we’ve been waiting for a while now haha! Arles was so beautiful, can’t believe I hadn’t been there before! Lovely place to enjoy and capture ☺️🎥
I really liked the images produced by these lenses in your last film. I think the weight of these sort of lenses are inevitably going to be high. The results though are superb.
Lovely work, Flo! These are the highest on my list. You and I both rock with ext variable NDs, but I'm very interested in putting this L to PL adapter to the test: MOFAGE POCO Drop-In Filter Lens Mount Adapter Kit (Leica L to PL). It would solve the criticism of no internal NDs in both the Pyxis and the BMCC6K FF. Would be curious to here your thoughts on this.
So insightful, thanks! If you don’t mind, what are your export settings to avoid banding once uploaded on RUclips? H.264 and H.265 still seem to get heavy banding for example in blue skies. No banding/heavy compression on the file itself.
As always, very informative. Thank you. I really love these lenses, but think they might just be a bit heavy for my daily use. I don't suppose you have tried the Nisi primes with BMCC6k yet? They seem a bit lighter.
Thank you!! I would love to try the Athena, haven’t had the chance to yet so hopefully one day :). And the DZO Vespid would be a good choice if you want a great image in a smaller package 👍
In recent years the market for 'affordable' cine lenses has grown a lot in terms of quality and these DZOs seem to me to be of good quality and quite versatile. Even the 'Big Boys' seem to have understood that there is a potential market for those who want to buy quality cine lenses at an affordable price: Zeiss has come out with the Nano Prime and it seems that Nikon also wants to enter this market (perhaps with lenses based on the glorious AI-S).
100%, the options we have these days when it comes to affordable cine glass is insane!! Cooke also released 'cheaper' alternatives to their famous/expensive lenses.
Great video, I appreciate knowing how to say their name correctly! I would say what would be my concern, is these not having tapped screw threads on the top and bottom (maybe they do and I didnt see them). Though for a lens thats pulling in this sort of weight you really want to be properly stable and balanced and this would help. While you did a wonderful review and your shots look fantastic you can see the strain in your arm from the photo of you holding the camera and lens! I imagine it would feel like a chore towards the end of the day shooting by your self, and shows these are really not designed for a bmcc 6k - as you allude too! You really want them on a camera with a locking mount and have a crew with you. These really seem like the the lenses for small production companies looking for a solid alternative when renting isnt an option. Or for smaller rental houses for tighter budgets or even film schools looking for something to cover a large format sensor camera such as the Pyxis.
Thanks!! It was definitely a heavy rig and i would have relied on my Easyrig if I wasn't shooting in the middle on a city with expensive gear I don't own haha! That being said I often shoot that way regardless of the kit :). And yes, 100% these are better suited to small crew and larger setups as I mentioned. I still made it work though which is good to know in case you are forced to shoot minimal at some point :).
Absolutely great that you can shoot this way if needed getting some gorilla type shots where you wanna be stripped down or just to strip the weight for a smaller gimbal set it's great. Honestly this is why I never really understand why people moan about cameras to that end
Congrats! Super easy to do, all you have to do is unscrew each mount and swap it. I believe they might come with the lenses when you buy them. Takes 2 mins per lens. Only 6-8 little screws to remove each time.
I have a few times, including with the Arles lenses, and no problems at all. I stay at ISO 400 and 1250 when possible but I have shot before at 2500 and 3200 and it was very easy to clean in Davinci. I talk about it in my NYC video breakdown :). I often expose for the brightest point even the rest falls into black.
The Sirui have more character and are Macro, the DZO Arles are faster, better built and cover larger sensors. Both have a beautiful image and are great to use :).
@@OfTwoLands I am sure, I am russian lol. There are a lot of variations of this lens. The one I'm talking about is called Mir-1 37A and it was meant for export from Russia. It has very close focus distance (Around 24 cm I belive)
Don’t sleep on the older Sigma HSM Art primes (originally for dlsr mounts but now with integrated L mount converter). 28mm, 40mm and 105 1.4 are excellent in terms of optical correction and are an absolute steal in terms of price.
Just curious if you are using the Nisi C5 matte box. I believe it has an 82mm max thread and the Arles lenses are sitting at 86. I was going to try using a step-down ring (86 down to 82) to adapt the lenses but am suspicious this will create a vignette especially on the wider focal lengths. Has this been your experience, or is this something you could possibly confirm?
@@OfTwoLands My guy! Thank you for the response. You seem to be one of those rare creators that is actually committed to helping his viewers. The max thread size listed for the C5 must be for it's largest adapter, and not the diameter of the matte box ring itself - Very good to know that opening sits at 95mm! I have found your channel recently and it's been a huge source of inspiration and information. You had a subscriber, but you have now just made a fan. Keep up the good work
Dude! Where's the charts and graphs with circles and arrows telling us incomprehensible stats? Instead you wow us with gorgeous footage. You'll never make it on youtube with this sort of review! Ahem. Another great review showing us real world footage and examples of how you work and what the lens can do. I'll have to go back to your DJI Focus thingie review to see how that works. Sounds like it was super useful here. These lenses on my short list though I can't afford them. It's weird, they are so clean, but the transitions to the out of focus areas are where they get their character without having what we normally think of with character (cue up the word: "vintage" for those other lenses). I hate to say bokeh in this context because it's more than than though it's definitely in play. Perhaps je ne sais quoi says it best. Can't believe I'm so enamored of a lens that's so clean, though not clinical and perhaps the fact that people use the former tells us something. Anyway, I'm happy to see your usual thoughtful and measured take on something I'm interested in. By the way, you need more hyperbole in your titles, something like ARE DZO LENSES STILL WORTH IT IN 2024!!! That's how you get the clicks.
@@OfTwoLands Hi I am really curious why you have not used PL to L mount adapter instead and is there any difference going straight to PL to L mount or going PL to EF to L mount?
Not sure why this would be compared to the Otus. I don’t think they are in the same category at all.. plus the Otus is twice the price and not a proper cine lens.
@@OfTwoLands I made no reference about price. I was referring to the CA problems with these lenses being "no Otus". Maybe I could easily have said "no Milvus" as the CA is no as bad but Otus has near to no CA so that was more obviouse.
Here is my review of the new DZOFILM Arles Primes. (Used on the BMCC6K)
Are these on your list?
Cheers,
Flo
Florent, have you tried Zeiss Milvus? I recommend them.
Florent, tell us how you changed the PL mount to EF ?
Petit message d'un collègue vidéaste français, c'est toi qui m'a motivé pour passer de ma 4K à la 6Kpro, et depuis je regarde toutes tes vidéos, chaque fois c'est un bonheur, le rythme est calme, les plans sont de très bon goût et la colo est impecc', meilleures vidéos pour me détendre (et quand même devoir réprimer une envie folle de claquer 10k dans des objos anamorphiques dont j'ai pas besoin). Continue de nous régaler !
Merci beaucoup pour ton commentaire. c'est vraiment sympa!! :)
The image quality is insanely good paired with the 6k full frame.
Such a solid combo!!
The 6k full frame is insane on its own.
I use cheap Rokinon DS T1.5 lenses with exceptional results.
@@MrJayclas I agree. I'm about ot buy the full frame, I have 6kpro now
Gotta give credit to his shots and subjects too, otherwise a garbage looking imagery is worthless even if you have nice tools.
@@artofwishing I always give him his flowers, he's an OG 🔥
Of all the cleaner under $10K a lens cinema glass, this is the look I'm reaching for, DZO finally made my list, exciting times for the budget shooters out there. Thank you for another direct informative video, your reviews are some of the best as you actually shoot with what you review, and your stoic approach reviewing is very refreshing and appreciated.
Thanks for taking the time to watch it and for the positive feedback !! They sure are amazing lenses for their features and price point :)
I really love the look of these. Thank you for the in-depth review and that last video you did. They are now on my to buy / rent list! The DZO Retros are my favorite but these come close!
Thanks for taking the time to watch it mate!! So many options these days haha!
Watching your review right now ! Excellent. These are certainly on my list
Thank you!!
Really impressive lenses imo :)
Great review as always! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching mate 🙏
Nothing less than cinematic poetry.
Thank you ☺️🙏
you guys are one of the best channel, i wonder why it takes so long to hit 1mil sub
That’s very kind of you to say, thank you!! Fingers crossed I get there one day haha ☺️🙏
Love the image, great job
Thank you!!
Great review! Such a fun project to be a part of :) xx
Thank you for everything :) xx
Le rendu est vraiment magnifique j'adore me bokeh !!! Mais un gros cailloux sur une bmpcc 6k l'ensemble dois faire mal au dos 😢 ...
Merci!! C’est vrai que c’est pas léger mais avec le bon setup c’est au top! 🎥👍
Great video as always! Thank you very much! I like how you never fail to provide plenty of real life footage filmed in different lighting conditions in your reviews. I never miss any of your videos and try to learn from each one of them. The composition in your videos is always spot on. Are you planning to do a video on composition by any chance? As an amateur videographer, I would find it very helpful and educational. Thanks again for another great video and best of luck with new projects!
Thank you for the positive feedback, I really appreciate it!! I never really thought about doing a dedicated video on composition but I will definitely keep that in mind.
I did touch on it in a few videos but never made one just on that topic. Thanks for the suggestion :)
@@OfTwoLands Thank you!
Great review. Didnt realise how hefty they are. Learnt the hard way you can't ignore the weight of higher end equipment 😢
Thank you!!
Yeah haha they’re not small lenses but makes sense based on their aperture and coverage ☺️ Still great to use with the appropriate rig!
They seem like a great choice
They really are a great option!
"Will likely use the Pyxis soon..." Hmmm.... But mostly I love this part of France but I haven't been to Arles and your footage really makes me want to go!
Yeah I’m hoping to get my hands on it asap, feels like we’ve been waiting for a while now haha! Arles was so beautiful, can’t believe I hadn’t been there before! Lovely place to enjoy and capture ☺️🎥
Thank you, Flo!
Thanks for watching mate!! 🙏
Great review. would love to see a comparison between Arles vs Vespid .
Thank you!! Unfortunately I don’t have the vespids anymore but I’ve shared my thoughts on both in this video ☺️
I really liked the images produced by these lenses in your last film. I think the weight of these sort of lenses are inevitably going to be high. The results though are superb.
Glad you liked them, thank you 🙏
And yes, weight and quality often go hand in hand when it comes to lenses!
Lovely work, Flo! These are the highest on my list.
You and I both rock with ext variable NDs, but I'm very interested in putting this L to PL adapter to the test: MOFAGE POCO Drop-In Filter Lens Mount Adapter Kit (Leica L to PL).
It would solve the criticism of no internal NDs in both the Pyxis and the BMCC6K FF.
Would be curious to here your thoughts on this.
Thank you mate!! I would love to try that adapter as well and I have thought about it before. They look solid! Hopefully I will :)
AWESOME!
Thanks!!
So insightful, thanks! If you don’t mind, what are your export settings to avoid banding once uploaded on RUclips? H.264 and H.265 still seem to get heavy banding for example in blue skies. No banding/heavy compression on the file itself.
This was very informative and the shots are beautiful.
May I ask what lens support did you use with the rods? Thanks
Thank you!! I used the Smallrig one and I just added it to the list in the description :).
As always, very informative. Thank you. I really love these lenses, but think they might just be a bit heavy for my daily use. I don't suppose you have tried the Nisi primes with BMCC6k yet? They seem a bit lighter.
Thank you!! I would love to try the Athena, haven’t had the chance to yet so hopefully one day :). And the DZO Vespid would be a good choice if you want a great image in a smaller package 👍
In recent years the market for 'affordable' cine lenses has grown a lot in terms of quality and these DZOs seem to me to be of good quality and quite versatile.
Even the 'Big Boys' seem to have understood that there is a potential market for those who want to buy quality cine lenses at an affordable price: Zeiss has come out with the Nano Prime and it seems that Nikon also wants to enter this market (perhaps with lenses based on the glorious AI-S).
100%, the options we have these days when it comes to affordable cine glass is insane!!
Cooke also released 'cheaper' alternatives to their famous/expensive lenses.
@@OfTwoLands correct, I've forgotten Cooke SP3
If you were picking just one focal length just to get started, which would you pick? Knowing you're going to do some docu-style commercials.
Regardless of the project I always gravitate towards 35-40mm FF :).
Great video, I appreciate knowing how to say their name correctly! I would say what would be my concern, is these not having tapped screw threads on the top and bottom (maybe they do and I didnt see them). Though for a lens thats pulling in this sort of weight you really want to be properly stable and balanced and this would help. While you did a wonderful review and your shots look fantastic you can see the strain in your arm from the photo of you holding the camera and lens! I imagine it would feel like a chore towards the end of the day shooting by your self, and shows these are really not designed for a bmcc 6k - as you allude too! You really want them on a camera with a locking mount and have a crew with you. These really seem like the the lenses for small production companies looking for a solid alternative when renting isnt an option. Or for smaller rental houses for tighter budgets or even film schools looking for something to cover a large format sensor camera such as the Pyxis.
Thanks!! It was definitely a heavy rig and i would have relied on my Easyrig if I wasn't shooting in the middle on a city with expensive gear I don't own haha! That being said I often shoot that way regardless of the kit :). And yes, 100% these are better suited to small crew and larger setups as I mentioned. I still made it work though which is good to know in case you are forced to shoot minimal at some point :).
Absolutely great that you can shoot this way if needed getting some gorilla type shots where you wanna be stripped down or just to strip the weight for a smaller gimbal set it's great.
Honestly this is why I never really understand why people moan about cameras to that end
Just bought the dzofilm 40 vespid but the amount of chromatic aberration is insane
Sorry to hear! In some situation CA can really be an issue on some projects. I have only used the Retros so far.
nice video again, did you ever tested the Dullens APO mini Primes ?
Thanks!! I haven't yet, no. But everyone is asking me about them so I think I should haha!
@@OfTwoLands those Arles look really great, but a tiny bit to heavy and pricy for me, maybe the Dulens lenses with a Pixys would be perfect for me 😉
I ordered mine and was waiting for your review; may I know how we can switch the mount? Is it easy to do it ?
Congrats! Super easy to do, all you have to do is unscrew each mount and swap it. I believe they might come with the lenses when you buy them. Takes 2 mins per lens. Only 6-8 little screws to remove each time.
@@OfTwoLands that's great. I hope
We dont have to do shimming
Are you not meant to adjust the shimming when swapping?
how have you been working with the 6k FF in low light? Is there anything that you make sure to do before recording?
I have a few times, including with the Arles lenses, and no problems at all. I stay at ISO 400 and 1250 when possible but I have shot before at 2500 and 3200 and it was very easy to clean in Davinci. I talk about it in my NYC video breakdown :). I often expose for the brightest point even the rest falls into black.
@@OfTwoLands i’ll go check out that video! thanks!😄
How do these compare to the sirui jupiters you previously reviewed?
The Sirui have more character and are Macro, the DZO Arles are faster, better built and cover larger sensors. Both have a beautiful image and are great to use :).
Can you use the Focus Pro without the Lidar module?
Yes :). That’s what I’ve done for this project. Basically acts as a wireless follow focus system.
There is a version of mir 37A that has super close focus btw
I am not too sure about this. You can modify it and there is also a 35mm.
@@OfTwoLands I am sure, I am russian lol. There are a lot of variations of this lens. The one I'm talking about is called Mir-1 37A and it was meant for export from Russia. It has very close focus distance (Around 24 cm I belive)
Don’t sleep on the older Sigma HSM Art primes (originally for dlsr mounts but now with integrated L mount converter). 28mm, 40mm and 105 1.4 are excellent in terms of optical correction and are an absolute steal in terms of price.
I had the 35mm and 50mm :)
you were using dji focus pro to pull the focus with your thumb? asking cause I didn't find the lidar module on the rig
Yes, and as another point of contact :)
Do you recommend any L-mount adapters for FD and EF? Just bought the BMCC6K FF
I love the Sigma MC21 L to EF (electronic) and the Urth L to EF (mechanical) linked in the description.
@@OfTwoLands Thank you Sir, big fan :)
I use the metabones FD to L adapter and it's very good!
Just curious if you are using the Nisi C5 matte box. I believe it has an 82mm max thread and the Arles lenses are sitting at 86. I was going to try using a step-down ring (86 down to 82) to adapt the lenses but am suspicious this will create a vignette especially on the wider focal lengths. Has this been your experience, or is this something you could possibly confirm?
The NISI C5 has a 95mm diameter same as the outer one on the lenses so that was perfect without adding anything else :)
@@OfTwoLands My guy! Thank you for the response. You seem to be one of those rare creators that is actually committed to helping his viewers.
The max thread size listed for the C5 must be for it's largest adapter, and not the diameter of the matte box ring itself - Very good to know that opening sits at 95mm!
I have found your channel recently and it's been a huge source of inspiration and information. You had a subscriber, but you have now just made a fan. Keep up the good work
Make a tutorial on the color grading in DaVinci resolve please 🎉🎉🎉
I color grade using filmconvert and have already made a video about my process so feel free to watch it :)
Dude! Where's the charts and graphs with circles and arrows telling us incomprehensible stats? Instead you wow us with gorgeous footage. You'll never make it on youtube with this sort of review! Ahem. Another great review showing us real world footage and examples of how you work and what the lens can do. I'll have to go back to your DJI Focus thingie review to see how that works. Sounds like it was super useful here. These lenses on my short list though I can't afford them. It's weird, they are so clean, but the transitions to the out of focus areas are where they get their character without having what we normally think of with character (cue up the word: "vintage" for those other lenses). I hate to say bokeh in this context because it's more than than though it's definitely in play. Perhaps je ne sais quoi says it best. Can't believe I'm so enamored of a lens that's so clean, though not clinical and perhaps the fact that people use the former tells us something. Anyway, I'm happy to see your usual thoughtful and measured take on something I'm interested in. By the way, you need more hyperbole in your titles, something like ARE DZO LENSES STILL WORTH IT IN 2024!!! That's how you get the clicks.
Thanks a lot for the positive and detailed feedback, glad you enjoyed the video :).
And thanks for the tip on the title haha!
What ND did you use. The colours looks better than real life LOL
Haha NISI VND, all the gear is linked in the description ☺️🎥
Does its EF mount fit on speedboosters and drop-in filter adapters?
I wouldn’t be able to confirm as I don’t have either of those unfortunately.
@@OfTwoLands You can try put on the EF mount and see if the rear glass element protrudes from the lens mount.
Can DZO give us a zoom version of diz lenses, plz🙏🏽🙏🏽
That would be pretty crazy but we can hope :) !!
how do you mount these PL lenses to Blackmagic Cinema 6k?
They’re EF too :)
@@OfTwoLands Oh got it, which EF to Leica L mount adapter did you use? Your footage with these lenses is unreal, so beautiful.
@@OfTwoLands Hi I am really curious why you have not used PL to L mount adapter instead and is there any difference going straight to PL to L mount or going PL to EF to L mount?
Wait so you did not use the LIDAR autofocus...hum...
Not this time. It added some weight and i wanted to focus manually for this one. Also better for the battery :).
@@OfTwoLands Nice video man
CA is quite noticeable. Its no Otus.
Not sure why this would be compared to the Otus. I don’t think they are in the same category at all.. plus the Otus is twice the price and not a proper cine lens.
@@OfTwoLands I made no reference about price. I was referring to the CA problems with these lenses being "no Otus". Maybe I could easily have said "no Milvus" as the CA is no as bad but Otus has near to no CA so that was more obviouse.