If im going to be honest, I don’t think golden freddy having lights in both of his eyes in fnaf 3 is good evidence, since it makes the assumption that Scott wanted people to figure out that there was two spirits in the suit, long long long before any of the stitch wraith books or logbook ever existed. Even if GF having 2 souls ends up being confirmed, I don’t think it was an idea Scott would have had when making fnaf 3, especially considering that game was initially intended as the series finale, and crying child didn’t exist until fnaf 4. Therefore I feel like using that ending as evidence for a concept that came up much later isn’t a very good idea. People using evidence in past games for newer concepts that likely wouldn’t have been thought of by scott back then is a big problem im noticing in modern fnaf theorising.
theres clearly a "white hot" lamp in only one of GF's eyes. you can even see the same effect on the normal freddy, its just less pronounced because of there also being a spotlight on the four heads, so the contrast of the other eye being lit from the inside is lesser. You have to be intentionally not looking at the picture to see there is only one lightsource.
@@Ropsuguy fully agree, never understood the fixation on this very small visual detail. The stitchwraith works completely differently from Golden Freddy, I don't think it was supposed to clarify how the yellow bear works if they're so different.
Thank you for saying this I’m getting tired of this argument from people. I’m not even strongly on one side or another because I have heard compelling arguments from both groups but this just isn’t even evidence
Welcome back! I respectfully disagree about the two lights, it really looks like GF's left eye is the light source given the glow effect that matches the rest of the heads.
@@rancidavocado2166 I mean, they're all lit up on both eyes in the same way. I doubt it was intentional, Scott has so many clipping errors in his models (Baby's skirt, Mangle in the vent cam, etc.)
Thank you for that bit about people senselessly throwing out the word 'retcon' for every little thing in FNAF. I am a little sceptical of Scott's 1 retcon claim but you're bang on in that continuously using the 'oh but retcon' card is a sign of a terrible theorist not to mention a very boring one.
8:30 hell yeaahh, i will wait. Thanks for the video. Hope that RUclips will give mercy for your channel and show your new videos in people recomendations!
2:11 As a 3D animator myself, I can say that there is definitley only one light inside of his head, theres one light that is illuminating the other side of the inside of the mask. The bloom makes this pretty obivious.
5:48 Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if William Afton has killed numerous Fazbear employees. 6:11 Well, Henry and Chica could just be assuming that they were the first victims of William Afton. He's probably had many others before them.
For the "tuft of hair" in the springlock suit, that suit is a Spring Bonnie, there's no purple bow tie and the Spring Bonnie head is sitting right above it. To our knowledge no kids were stuffed into Spring Bonnie, so its very likely just some weird wire thing Also I'm gonna go with the MCI happening in 1985, both the Novels and Fazbear Frights (plus I believe StitchlineGames) tell us the MCI was in 1985
2:26 i always belived it another they. That the spirit in golden freddy (atleast one of them (cassidy)) in bad ending stays with other spirits, and in good, when all of them passed away he neither pass with them nor stayed with wheir husks, he keeps going, going to his revenge. More then that. The way that mask lays. Then lights on, we see it. But without them, we dont know, it either still there with other just in the shadow, or its not even there anymore. And for me, that duality solved because there two spirits, one cc with passed with everyone and another is cassidy that no longer with them
Ok, i didnt watch till the end. But i am glad that you share that idea. It is pretty obvious for me and it is strange that there are so many question about it
i'm assuming you don't believe StitchlineGames, but in the books, Andrew fills the role. Hell, in UCN (specifically the "Toy Chica: The Highschool Years") it's shown that Afton actually had 7 victims. Specifically, Pigpatch (a mediocre melody, like the animatronics the vengeful spirit speaks through) is shown to have a much more violent death than the other victims
Definitely not a believer in Stitchgames. I’ve heard some good arguments for it in the past, but none of them have ever stuck in my mind. I’m also not sure if Toy Chica’s Highschool Years actually has anything to do with Afton, but I couldn’t even begin to give you an alternative. UCN’s interludes have always and probably will always confuse me to no end.
Golden freddys mask not being there easly can expleained by scott didnt have to put golden freddys mask there.If you light up bad ending image theres no full golden freddy mask just his eyes and jaw that light comes out.Thats why he didnt put golden freddy mask beaceuse there was no phsyical mask in the first place.Also this can be supported by golden Freddy's ghostly behaviour.when we see golden freddy every time in fnaf 1 and 2 we see his metaphysical body not the real suit.
forgive me if i'm wrong, but the one of the newspapers say there's security footage of two kids getting lured to the back by someone wearing the spring bonnie suit, and a different newspapers says that there are now 5 missing children connected to the incident. This could mean there's footage of 3 more children getting lured, or that three other kids went missing in or around freddy's and they're linking them to the two abductions that were caught on camera. Cassie could've went missing at fredbear's and then her cold case was linked to the missing kids at freddy's years later.
what if the spirit isn't possesing golden freddy especially with andrew wearing a alligator mask "i remember that they tried to kill him, but then i attached into himself, i wasn't going to let go of him"-andrew "he tried to release you, he tried to release us, but im not going to let that happen, i will hold you here, i will keep you here, no matter how many times, they burn us"-vengeful spirit hell, remember "leave the demon to his demons"? instead of the vengeful spirit resting, what if its about give up on trying to help a spirit full of rage "leave afton to andrew/ucn roster, cassidy" i don't understand how paralllels works when every game (and even the logbook) would happen on frights without any changes and its pretty implied to the spirit, at least, be killed appart from the mci, or at least being seperate from it into the pit showing 6 kids, the 6th kid is obviously andrew andrew seems to be a victim from dittophobia experiments, he was killed on 1985, but before afton killed susie (we even unlock the fnaf 4 bedroom as the last one on ucn) the school on highschool years is clearly representing freddy fazbear's pizza, and the pigpatch victim (clearly representing the vengeful spirit), would have to be killed before all of them because afton was charged after his 5th victim on 26 june 1985 so andrew was a forgotten, non reported victim to the police (which makes his role of spirit make more sense)
7:30 in dawko interwie Sccot stated that there was 1 retcon, and that it was so minor that no one will find that. So for me, it is ridiculous to hear from the people that about different things in different places being redcconed. Some belivers in dream theory even state that whole fnaf before sister location doesn’t make sense because of redcons.... It is really stupid arguement for me...
Mr. Afton has never confirmed the 8 bit fnaf 4 fredbear having a child in it, it could easily be wires and refusing to dismiss evidence that's barely important and not addressed at best and outright an incorrect assumption at worst just makes theories worse
Wires inside of a suit? If that's the case, then we do see an employee wearing the Spring Bonnie, I mean, Red Bear suit. And we see no wires. It makes a lot of sense if this was a missing children's incident and they happened first. I just don't really kind of believe. I do believe it's canon, but I don't really believe leave in it. It's complex. But it's almost definitely not wires. Plus, why are wires brown?
@@halalfortheheart about employes suit, we dont even know is it springlock suit, or just simple suit. Wires are brown because they should be hard to be see by children. And the last thing. Somthink so serious as one of the dead children, which solo brokes whole fnaf timeline, cant be shown so poorly, in 3 or 9 pixels of hair, that can easely be something else
@@orliag218 I disagree. I just think it makes a lot more sense for it to be a child. I just feel like the extra pixels to the brown, like to the suit, just make it seem like it's supposed to be a tuft of hair. Plus it would make sense on why the crying child is scared of the springlock suits. Not any other animatronics, just springlock suits.
A kid being afraid of something that looks like it ate a human is reasonable. We dont k ow how old the Crying Child is. My nephew was afraid of masks until he was around 11. My brother was afraid of the costumes at amusement parks when he was about six. Being afraid of a suit makes sense.@@halalfortheheart
I had always thought the stuff sticking out of the suit had been wiring or fur, something to make the space between the neck and head less obvious. It just doesn't feel like a person's hair sticking out.
I personally think that the Vengeful Spirit was a part of the MCI(which technically if the details of the FNaF1 newspaper are still accurate(saying this because everytime we've seen a depiction of the MCI, its been all 5 kids at once) happened over the span of a few days) and when they were stuffed in GF, got Springlocked, like how the cutscene in UCN shows them twitching the same way as Springtrap from the FNaF3 trailer. Also because its semi relevant, I think Dual Process was right about Cassidy being Crying Child's name, but not that Crying Child was part of the MCI or Micheal being the Vengeful Spirit. It makes sense to me for the one character we know nothing about to be the spirit of Golden Freddy, while we're given a name for the final Afton kid.
Golden Freddy Cassidy princess quest Cassidy is the princess golden Freddy there old man red king old man Consequences giving golden Freddy cassidy princess the golden sword to battle fight against glitchtrap burntrap william in princess quest game
dont get me wrong but if you claim that golden freddy have 2 souls bc 2nd eye is sligtly glow then why no buddy talks that normal freddy have 2nd soul too? if you dennie idea of that 2nd glowing eye is glowing misinterpretation then it should be same for normal freddy. i belive that quote n quote 2nd eye is deccision made for picture and misinterpretent bc of head possition it selft since golden freddy slightly looking in camera and by glowing physics make an illusion of 2nd glowing eye.
If im going to be honest, I don’t think golden freddy having lights in both of his eyes in fnaf 3 is good evidence, since it makes the assumption that Scott wanted people to figure out that there was two spirits in the suit, long long long before any of the stitch wraith books or logbook ever existed.
Even if GF having 2 souls ends up being confirmed, I don’t think it was an idea Scott would have had when making fnaf 3, especially considering that game was initially intended as the series finale, and crying child didn’t exist until fnaf 4. Therefore I feel like using that ending as evidence for a concept that came up much later isn’t a very good idea.
People using evidence in past games for newer concepts that likely wouldn’t have been thought of by scott back then is a big problem im noticing in modern fnaf theorising.
Golden Freddy has 1 light in FNaF 3.
theres clearly a "white hot" lamp in only one of GF's eyes. you can even see the same effect on the normal freddy, its just less pronounced because of there also being a spotlight on the four heads, so the contrast of the other eye being lit from the inside is lesser. You have to be intentionally not looking at the picture to see there is only one lightsource.
@@Ropsuguy fully agree, never understood the fixation on this very small visual detail. The stitchwraith works completely differently from Golden Freddy, I don't think it was supposed to clarify how the yellow bear works if they're so different.
Thank you for saying this I’m getting tired of this argument from people. I’m not even strongly on one side or another because I have heard compelling arguments from both groups but this just isn’t even evidence
For real FNaF fans don't know how light works
@@Schokie732 I’m convinced nobody in this fandom has seen a lamp in their lives 😫
@@gerilynit's probably true lol
Welcome back! I respectfully disagree about the two lights, it really looks like GF's left eye is the light source given the glow effect that matches the rest of the heads.
Perhaps, but why would Scott leave it when it probably could have been a easy fix.
@@rancidavocado2166 I mean, they're all lit up on both eyes in the same way. I doubt it was intentional, Scott has so many clipping errors in his models (Baby's skirt, Mangle in the vent cam, etc.)
@@rancidavocado2166Thought Scott did it too clearly show the silhouette of the head.
Thank you for that bit about people senselessly throwing out the word 'retcon' for every little thing in FNAF. I am a little sceptical of Scott's 1 retcon claim but you're bang on in that continuously using the 'oh but retcon' card is a sign of a terrible theorist not to mention a very boring one.
STARSCREAM!!!
@@heisenburger9950 okay but Starscream in peace time would totally be the type to overanalyze media and theorize about them.
I’m the vengeful spirit. I’m vengeful because they cut Vanessa’s entire storyline in SB.
@@Cosmicdev58 that's a mood. I wish we had more of her/vanny... so sad.
8:30 hell yeaahh, i will wait. Thanks for the video. Hope that RUclips will give mercy for your channel and show your new videos in people recomendations!
2:11 As a 3D animator myself, I can say that there is definitley only one light inside of his head, theres one light that is illuminating the other side of the inside of the mask. The bloom makes this pretty obivious.
Banger video Mr. Cryonide, welcome back
5:48 Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if William Afton has killed numerous Fazbear employees.
6:11 Well, Henry and Chica could just be assuming that they were the first victims of William Afton. He's probably had many others before them.
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For the "tuft of hair" in the springlock suit, that suit is a Spring Bonnie, there's no purple bow tie and the Spring Bonnie head is sitting right above it.
To our knowledge no kids were stuffed into Spring Bonnie, so its very likely just some weird wire thing
Also I'm gonna go with the MCI happening in 1985, both the Novels and Fazbear Frights (plus I believe StitchlineGames) tell us the MCI was in 1985
Good to see your return! Looking forward to your next vid.
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1:34 - It’s one light.
2:26 i always belived it another they. That the spirit in golden freddy (atleast one of them (cassidy)) in bad ending stays with other spirits, and in good, when all of them passed away he neither pass with them nor stayed with wheir husks, he keeps going, going to his revenge.
More then that. The way that mask lays. Then lights on, we see it. But without them, we dont know, it either still there with other just in the shadow, or its not even there anymore. And for me, that duality solved because there two spirits, one cc with passed with everyone and another is cassidy that no longer with them
Ok, i didnt watch till the end. But i am glad that you share that idea. It is pretty obvious for me and it is strange that there are so many question about it
Yeah the one soul thing kinda breaks down after the fnaf 3 minigame as we clearly see the vengeful spirit not move on but a golden freddy that did.
i'm assuming you don't believe StitchlineGames, but in the books, Andrew fills the role. Hell, in UCN (specifically the "Toy Chica: The Highschool Years") it's shown that Afton actually had 7 victims. Specifically, Pigpatch (a mediocre melody, like the animatronics the vengeful spirit speaks through) is shown to have a much more violent death than the other victims
Definitely not a believer in Stitchgames. I’ve heard some good arguments for it in the past, but none of them have ever stuck in my mind.
I’m also not sure if Toy Chica’s Highschool Years actually has anything to do with Afton, but I couldn’t even begin to give you an alternative. UCN’s interludes have always and probably will always confuse me to no end.
@@Cryonide i am personally really like Gibi 's explanation of it, and its weirdness. But, it is kinda hard for me to describe it in few words.... (
5:30 ok, that i just didnt understand, that is literraly just inside of the suit, with some wires. Golden + a little shadow = brown
Golden freddys mask not being there easly can expleained by scott didnt have to put golden freddys mask there.If you light up bad ending image theres no full golden freddy mask just his eyes and jaw that light comes out.Thats why he didnt put golden freddy mask beaceuse there was no phsyical mask in the first place.Also this can be supported by golden Freddy's ghostly behaviour.when we see golden freddy every time in fnaf 1 and 2 we see his metaphysical body not the real suit.
can’t wait to see what’s next!
forgive me if i'm wrong, but the one of the newspapers say there's security footage of two kids getting lured to the back by someone wearing the spring bonnie suit, and a different newspapers says that there are now 5 missing children connected to the incident. This could mean there's footage of 3 more children getting lured, or that three other kids went missing in or around freddy's and they're linking them to the two abductions that were caught on camera. Cassie could've went missing at fredbear's and then her cold case was linked to the missing kids at freddy's years later.
what if the spirit isn't possesing golden freddy
especially with andrew wearing a alligator mask
"i remember that they tried to kill him, but then i attached into himself, i wasn't going to let go of him"-andrew
"he tried to release you, he tried to release us, but im not going to let that happen, i will hold you here, i will keep you here, no matter how many times, they burn us"-vengeful spirit
hell, remember "leave the demon to his demons"?
instead of the vengeful spirit resting, what if its about give up on trying to help a spirit full of rage
"leave afton to andrew/ucn roster, cassidy"
i don't understand how paralllels works when every game (and even the logbook) would happen on frights without any changes
and its pretty implied to the spirit, at least, be killed appart from the mci, or at least being seperate from it
into the pit showing 6 kids, the 6th kid is obviously andrew
andrew seems to be a victim from dittophobia experiments, he was killed on 1985, but before afton killed susie (we even unlock the fnaf 4 bedroom as the last one on ucn)
the school on highschool years is clearly representing freddy fazbear's pizza, and the pigpatch victim (clearly representing the vengeful spirit), would have to be killed before all of them
because afton was charged after his 5th victim on 26 june 1985
so andrew was a forgotten, non reported victim to the police (which makes his role of spirit make more sense)
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7:30 in dawko interwie Sccot stated that there was 1 retcon, and that it was so minor that no one will find that. So for me, it is ridiculous to hear from the people that about different things in different places being redcconed. Some belivers in dream theory even state that whole fnaf before sister location doesn’t make sense because of redcons.... It is really stupid arguement for me...
Mr. Afton has never confirmed the 8 bit fnaf 4 fredbear having a child in it, it could easily be wires and refusing to dismiss evidence that's barely important and not addressed at best and outright an incorrect assumption at worst just makes theories worse
Wires inside of a suit? If that's the case, then we do see an employee wearing the Spring Bonnie, I mean, Red Bear suit. And we see no wires. It makes a lot of sense if this was a missing children's incident and they happened first. I just don't really kind of believe. I do believe it's canon, but I don't really believe leave in it. It's complex. But it's almost definitely not wires. Plus, why are wires brown?
@@halalfortheheart about employes suit, we dont even know is it springlock suit, or just simple suit.
Wires are brown because they should be hard to be see by children.
And the last thing. Somthink so serious as one of the dead children, which solo brokes whole fnaf timeline, cant be shown so poorly, in 3 or 9 pixels of hair, that can easely be something else
@@orliag218 I disagree. I just think it makes a lot more sense for it to be a child. I just feel like the extra pixels to the brown, like to the suit, just make it seem like it's supposed to be a tuft of hair. Plus it would make sense on why the crying child is scared of the springlock suits. Not any other animatronics, just springlock suits.
A kid being afraid of something that looks like it ate a human is reasonable. We dont k ow how old the Crying Child is. My nephew was afraid of masks until he was around 11. My brother was afraid of the costumes at amusement parks when he was about six. Being afraid of a suit makes sense.@@halalfortheheart
I had always thought the stuff sticking out of the suit had been wiring or fur, something to make the space between the neck and head less obvious. It just doesn't feel like a person's hair sticking out.
I personally think that the Vengeful Spirit was a part of the MCI(which technically if the details of the FNaF1 newspaper are still accurate(saying this because everytime we've seen a depiction of the MCI, its been all 5 kids at once) happened over the span of a few days) and when they were stuffed in GF, got Springlocked, like how the cutscene in UCN shows them twitching the same way as Springtrap from the FNaF3 trailer.
Also because its semi relevant, I think Dual Process was right about Cassidy being Crying Child's name, but not that Crying Child was part of the MCI or Micheal being the Vengeful Spirit. It makes sense to me for the one character we know nothing about to be the spirit of Golden Freddy, while we're given a name for the final Afton kid.
Golden Freddy Cassidy princess quest
Cassidy is the princess golden Freddy there old man red king old man Consequences giving golden Freddy cassidy princess the golden sword to battle fight against glitchtrap burntrap william in princess quest game
Bro edited the comment and it’s still incomprehensible
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dont get me wrong but if you claim that golden freddy have 2 souls bc 2nd eye is sligtly glow then why no buddy talks that normal freddy have 2nd soul too? if you dennie idea of that 2nd glowing eye is glowing misinterpretation then it should be same for normal freddy. i belive that quote n quote 2nd eye is deccision made for picture and misinterpretent bc of head possition it selft since golden freddy slightly looking in camera and by glowing physics make an illusion of 2nd glowing eye.
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