Hey WoodWorkers Guild of America - thanks for taking the time and effort to product this video tutorial on the installation of crown moulding on a cabinet - I learn a lot about what to do as well as what not to do.
It may take a tiny bit of putty, but often you can push on the wood with your fingers a little and the fibers will form right over the top of the pin hole.
Fantastic adhesive, Titebond ! My favourite choice. Any surplus run-off, just wait and leave and then very carefully pare off. Hardly any staining at all.
I use CA glues like 2P 10 all the time. Very useful. CA glue offers the advantage of curing very quickly, but doesn’t have the shear strength of yellow or white glue.
Thank you for posting such a great video. I'm installing crown molding on my cabinets and want to add a "staggered" effect and I'm using 4" wide molding. How would I secure a riser/ filler to the top of the cabinet to creat that look? Also, exactly how did you secure those gussets to the cabinet? Did you just glue them or nail them from the bottom?
when you put crown on a low bookshelf that you can see the top of, how do you cover that? like a tabletop of sorts. would you just cut a piece of plywood to go on top of the crown?
+Ian Knight You could cover it with plywood or a glued-up hardwood panel. In this approach I would suggest overhanging the crown by 1/2" or so to give a nice finished appearance.
Nice video. The critical commenters are missing the point that this isn't about how to cut miters, it's about how to attach the cornice securely. One comment: I was taught to size end grain when gluing up because the end grain draws moisture from the glue and weakens the bond. So, best practice is to apply glue to end grain, let it soak but not dry, then reapply. What that means here is that I'd probably apply glue to the end grain on the miters (both halves) as the very first thing and also along the gussets, then apply along the length of the cornice. When the long glue line is brushed out, I'd then go back and hit at least the miter end grain again , at least lightly. It shouldn't run onto the cabinet face. I'd probably hit the tops of the gusset miters too. The one question I have is, why not do the gussets afterwards? You'd be able to push them up against the cornice to locate them exactly.
Yes, gussets could be used here to improve the installation process. As far as sizing, this is a useful technique when it comes to gluing end grain. We do cover that technique in other videos on the site. Paul
if you are adding crown molding to a bookshelf that has a decorative "lip" or edge that coms forward, can you glue and nail the crown molding to the edge lip or is it best to the very top of the cabinet?
Hi, Camila. You could do this either way. You'll need to ensure that you support the molding with adequate bracing from the back side so that it is solidly supported and not vulnerable to getting jarred loose with a light bump.
Hello Rob, The gussets have to be made at what’s called the spring angle of your crown molding. The spring angle might be listed with other specs on the trim when you buy it. Otherwise you can hold a piece of crown in a corner at the correct angle, when both flats of the molding are seated against the adjacent surfaces, and measure what angle the molding is at. Hope this helps! George WoodWorkers Guild of America Video Membership
For attaching crown molding to a cabinet I'd suggest 15 ga. 1.5" finish nails. If you are attaching crown to a wall, I'd suggest 15 ga. 2.5" finish nails.
I understand what you are saying about the glue running, but it doesn't matter what kind of glue you are using, if you don't apply it right, or just glob it on there, it's going to smoosh out and run or drip, regardless. It's all about the application, like you were doing, of using a brush or something to get an even application of glue across the surface, and cleaning up any squeeze-out right away. Overall good video, thanks.
Sig Guy If you varnish and seal the moulding and the exposed bit of the frame before you glue up, you then just have to wipe off the squeeze out and drips. No sanding of awkward bits required.
If you hold the crown on the miter the same angle as it goes on the piece, it's 45 deg. If you're laying it flat , aka "cutting it on the flat" see this www.protradecraft.com/cutting-crown-molding-flat
I've had a very bad day wasting expensive cabinet crown molding to the point that I left the job. Noone...no person, no video can explain how to master cabinet crown!!! I used a jig, set my saw to 45 and made an inside cut and then an outside 45. When matching the corners together one corner is longer than the other!!!
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Wow...you talk a lot and don't say anything useful. I'm not being mean, but you don't address any of the basics, like what angle are the cuts? How do you measure FOR THE CUTS?? Please don't assume everyone who watches your videos know what they are doing, because I for one do not. That's why I watched your video.
Hi Patrick, Thanks for your great feedback. Since it’s a rectangular cabinet, the parts are mitered at 45-degrees. I don’t measure the trim length, I transfer the length from the cabinet. This is shown at 1:50. Maybe you missed it. George Woodworkers Guild of America
Hey WoodWorkers Guild of America - thanks for taking the time and effort to product this video tutorial on the installation of crown moulding on a cabinet - I learn a lot about what to do as well as what not to do.
Do you have a video of putting together the gussetts or w/e they're called?
Great video, answered the questions I had. Thanks for sharing!
I set the saw at 45-degrees and hold the crown against the fence and table at the same angle at which it will be installed.
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It may take a tiny bit of putty, but often you can push on the wood with your fingers a little and the fibers will form right over the top of the pin hole.
Great tips. Crown molding add a great look to any cabinet or room.
Fantastic adhesive, Titebond !
My favourite choice. Any surplus run-off, just wait and leave and then very carefully pare off. Hardly any staining at all.
I use CA glues like 2P 10 all the time. Very useful. CA glue offers the advantage of curing very quickly, but doesn’t have the shear strength of yellow or white glue.
Great tips. Thank you!
I'm less interested and applying the glue than I am some tips on cutting the compound mitre
And what angle are you cutting it because that's the whole point
gotta figure that baby out for yourself!
Craftsman. Nice tips.
Very well done, Thank you for sharing your skills !!
Nice, thx for sharing
How long we're the gusset pieces and what size of wood did you use?
Thanks for the comment!
Can you go over what angles you set the miter saw at to get the crown molding to fit just right?
Thank you for posting such a great video. I'm installing crown molding on my cabinets and want to add a "staggered" effect and I'm using 4" wide molding. How would I secure a riser/ filler to the top of the cabinet to creat that look?
Also, exactly how did you secure those gussets to the cabinet? Did you just glue them or nail them from the bottom?
Brilliant stuff !! Thank you
how did u made the gusset???
Nice video-thx
instead of pin nails i like to use kraig jig through gussets from behind and no glue. just make the gussets wider and put more of them on.
It’s a 23-gauge pinner. Fasteners should be at least twice as long as the material they’re going through.
when you put crown on a low bookshelf that you can see the top of, how do you cover that? like a tabletop of sorts. would you just cut a piece of plywood to go on top of the crown?
+Ian Knight You could cover it with plywood or a glued-up hardwood panel. In this approach I would suggest overhanging the crown by 1/2" or so to give a nice finished appearance.
You can't just simply put a piece of plywood on top because the edge of the plywood will show
Nice video. The critical commenters are missing the point that this isn't about how to cut miters, it's about how to attach the cornice securely. One comment: I was taught to size end grain when gluing up because the end grain draws moisture from the glue and weakens the bond. So, best practice is to apply glue to end grain, let it soak but not dry, then reapply. What that means here is that I'd probably apply glue to the end grain on the miters (both halves) as the very first thing and also along the gussets, then apply along the length of the cornice. When the long glue line is brushed out, I'd then go back and hit at least the miter end grain again , at least lightly. It shouldn't run onto the cabinet face. I'd probably hit the tops of the gusset miters too.
The one question I have is, why not do the gussets afterwards? You'd be able to push them up against the cornice to locate them exactly.
Yes, gussets could be used here to improve the installation process. As far as sizing, this is a useful technique when it comes to gluing end grain. We do cover that technique in other videos on the site.
Paul
How do you figure out the angles tho?
Great question! I have forwarded your question to our experts. Please allow 1-2 business days for their response. We will post it here. Thanks!
There are various crown molding angle calculators available on the internet. Here's one example: www.installcrown.com/Crown_angle_generator.html
Paul
What size brads are you using? Just starting out and new to nail guns. Don't want to over kill or under.
No, no video on the gussets. But they’re simple…just brackets cut at the spring angle of the crown molding, fastened to the top of the cabinet.
if you are adding crown molding to a bookshelf that has a decorative "lip" or edge that coms forward, can you glue and nail the crown molding to the edge lip or is it best to the very top of the cabinet?
Hi, Camila. You could do this either way. You'll need to ensure that you support the molding with adequate bracing from the back side so that it is solidly supported and not vulnerable to getting jarred loose with a light bump.
Are you using a pin or brad nailer?
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18 gauge brads.
Paul
@@Wwgoathank you
What is the nail size that you used ?
Hello,
2" brads, 18 gauge
Thanks,
Paul
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Hi, what angle are the gussets cut at? Thanks
Hello Rob,
The gussets have to be made at what’s called the spring angle of your
crown molding. The spring angle might be listed with other specs on the
trim when you buy it. Otherwise you can hold a piece of crown in a
corner at the correct angle, when both flats of the molding are seated
against the adjacent surfaces, and measure what angle the molding is at.
Hope this helps!
George
WoodWorkers Guild of America Video Membership
WoodWorkers Guild Of America Thank you, it does!
awesome
how do you add and secure one by filler
Hi William.
You can apply glue and attach with brads.
The first guy I ever saw working "overhead" instead of turning the workpiece into a more comfortable and safe horizontal position.
If this is the first guy you've seen installing crown overhead then you haven't watched many videos.
Good video
Thanks
how did you attach the gussets
These were attached using glue and brads.
need to add 1x6filler to take cab to ceiling for crown
what size nails did you use?
For attaching crown molding to a cabinet I'd suggest 15 ga. 1.5" finish nails. If you are attaching crown to a wall, I'd suggest 15 ga. 2.5" finish nails.
I understand what you are saying about the glue running, but it doesn't matter what kind of glue you are using, if you don't apply it right, or just glob it on there, it's going to smoosh out and run or drip, regardless. It's all about the application, like you were doing, of using a brush or something to get an even application of glue across the surface, and cleaning up any squeeze-out right away. Overall good video, thanks.
Sig Guy If you varnish and seal the moulding and the exposed bit of the frame before you glue up, you then just have to wipe off the squeeze out and drips. No sanding of awkward bits required.
WOw great
Can you go over what angles you set the miter saw at to get the crown molding to fit just right?
Uhh... Perhaps I'm missing something but what other angle than 45° would you need?
If you hold the crown on the miter the same angle as it goes on the piece, it's 45 deg. If you're laying it flat , aka "cutting it on the flat" see this www.protradecraft.com/cutting-crown-molding-flat
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I've had a very bad day wasting expensive cabinet crown molding to the point that I left the job. Noone...no person, no video can explain how to master cabinet crown!!! I used a jig, set my saw to 45 and made an inside cut and then an outside 45. When matching the corners together one corner is longer than the other!!!
It appears that you were using brad nails. Why not use 23 ga. pin nails? They leave an almost imperceptible hole.
So the hardest part how to make and attach the gussets is missing, sounds like he had someone else to that part for him
No help here with calculating the bevel and mitre angles, toughest part left out completley.
We can certainly assist you with this. I can submit your question to our experts. Please allow 1-2 business days for our experts to reply. We'll post their response here. (Please feel welcome to ASK questions.)
There are many calculators available online for this purpose. Here is one example: www.blocklayer.com/crown-molding.aspx
Paul
Wall Corner Angle 135°
Miter 15.2° Bevel 16.8°
Spring Angle 41° (Flat Down method) X2 face up and reverse X2 face down.
So much for not getting glue on your cabinet
I would think you would use wood putty...stain-able.
Wow...you talk a lot and don't say anything useful. I'm not being mean, but you don't address any of the basics, like what angle are the cuts? How do you measure FOR THE CUTS?? Please don't assume everyone who watches your videos know what they are doing, because I for one do not. That's why I watched your video.
Hi Patrick,
Thanks for your great feedback. Since it’s a rectangular cabinet, the parts are mitered at 45-degrees. I don’t measure the trim length, I transfer the length from the cabinet. This is shown at 1:50. Maybe you missed it.
George
Woodworkers Guild of America
I guess this guy hasn't heard about measuring tape.
I guess you didn't listen to why he's not using a measuring tape.
Should be "How to apply glue with a Brush" explained NOTHING and gave no tips, Failed!!!!!!
Not worth watching