The Race for Next Generation Air-to-Air Missiles: Range, Sensors & Future Air Dominance
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- When we talk about the future of competition for air-superiority, often we focus on the most high-profile platform - the current and future generation fighter aircraft. With cutting edge sensors and systems, new generation fighters are likely to give their pilots access to a level of information and performance beyond what even current fifth generation platforms can offer.
But situational awareness doesn't have the same value if it can't be connected to a weapon system capable enough to leverage it - which the air-to-air missile comes in.
In the past decade, multiple nations have fielded new missiles that challenge or eclipse existing US missiles like the AIM-120. In this episode we're going to look at some of those systems, ask how the US fell behind in the range game, and ask what the plan might be to equip the USAF with tools to reclaim its previous advantage in the air.
Note, this video is a continuation of the series on next-generation air combat, including:
The Race for 6th Generation Fighters:
• The Race for 6th Gener...
The Race for Air Combat Drones:
• Combat Drones & Future...
AMRAAM D
www.twz.com/43483/latest-amra...
AIM-260 Reporting
www.iiss.org/en/online-analys...
www.defenseone.com/ideas/2019...
Cancellation of past potential AMRAAM replacement
www.flightglobal.com/usaf-can...
Patreon:
/ perunau
Relevant Notes or Reading (more to be added:
US Senate armed services committee transcript - Tuesday, May 2, 2023
www.armed-services.senate.gov...
Professor Justin Bronk - Russian and Chinese Combat Air Trends: Current Capabilities and Future Threat Outlook
rusi.org/explore-our-research...
Professor Justin Bronk, Nick Reynolds and Dr Jack Watling - The Russian Air War and Ukrainian Requirements for Air Defence
static.rusi.org/SR-Russian-Ai...
RTX featuring the Peregrine on their web page
www.rtx.com/raytheon/what-we-...
Reporting on 2020 AFRL solicitation in relation to long range AAM technologies
www.airandspaceforces.com/air...
Reporting on next generation missile systems:
www.twz.com/45057/the-air-for...
www.twz.com/classified-aim-26...
www.airandspaceforces.com/jat...
breakingdefense.com/2019/09/r...
www.airandspaceforces.com/art...
Caveats & Comments:
All normal caveats and comments apply.
In particular - I would like to note as always that this material has been created for entertainment purposes and is not intended to be a complete or comprehensive examination of the topic in question and should not be relied upon to inform financial or other similar decisions.
www.twz.com/15692/the-pentago...
Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Opening Words
00:01:14 - What Am I Talking About?
00:01:56 - History & The Missile Evolution
00:06:38 - The Future Air War Concept
00:17:41 - What Makes A Good Missile?
00:26:42 - The US Inventory
00:30:10 - Russia
00:36:03 - PRC
00:44:58 - European Competitors
00:51:05 - And Before We Get To The USA
00:52:28 - The New Programs
01:00:59 - Bringing This Together
01:04:21 - Channel Update
Thanks to the Patrons who voted for a continuation to this particular series. I've linked the previous ones below for anyone that missed them.
They're also keen to see me cover the fun story that is LCS and Zumwalt at some point, so stay tuned....
The Race for 6th Generation Fighters:
ruclips.net/video/RPrWm6fWuaM/видео.html
The Race for Air Combat Drones:
ruclips.net/video/1-0L5Wv86fQ/видео.html
Thank You Perun 🙏💙💛🔥
old-style flak/bullet air defenses vs new laser technology as cost effective solutions for small drones? which better, what optioms?
🥰😍🤩😘
Speaking of Air to Air missiles, did you hear about the (inert) AIR-2 Genie missile the found in some guys garage in Bellevue, WA in the US? Pretty cool find!
U got 1 thing wrong, in 1991 war the amraam wasnt used operationally. The BVR missile which was used (and whith which most killes were scored )was Sparrow.
Sorry babe, Australian PowerPoint man just dropped a new video
literally same thought popped into my head, my friend was asking if I'd like a call, and was confused by my excuse of having to religously watch an hour+ power point on next gen air to air missiles
Cringe
Love my sunday nights 😊
One day I want to be as good at giving PowerPoint presentations as Perun, where people will actively drop what they're doing to watch.
You can watch Aussie Capability Procurement PowerPoint Man while she keeps going if you balance the phone on her forehead
Things I learned: If you want to know an air to air missles capability, add it to Warthunder, the video game, and make it suck.
Same thing with Ammunition, Armor, Aircraft Maneuverability, and anything else you want to get data on.
Came for the military logistics and stayed for the military espionage advice
J20 to 10.0!
Actually, I think it was Sandbox News who did a piece on this and found almost all of the headlines of top secret information being leaked there were untrue, many of it wasn't even classified, all of it being wildly available online.
Someone needs to nationalize War Thunder for this purpose. It would be very funny.
*The Agility School...*
I can hear Lazerpig ranting about the Fighter Mafia in my head.
Everytime Perun says Quantity has a quality of it's own...
Get out of my head
Get out of my head
Get out of my head
The missiles motors have the same torque as the honda jazz btw
@@u2beuser714He explained that the mistake happened because of unit conversion.
@@razacmarx1441,
In previous videos Perun has stated that rule doesn't apply nearly as much to combat aircraft because the bar of "good enough" is much, much, _much_ higher in the aerial realm.
Also to be fair to the _general notion_ of agility you'll still want a _decent_ amount of it in a BVR fight for evading missiles, just not so much that you're sacrificing a lot of other things for it.
The worst part about this video is that it’s only one hour long. I have a five hour job to do today and now I have to listen to it on repeat five times.
The last time Russia tried to send a missile into space they ended up hitting Belgorod😂
I know that feel.
Maybe shake it up a little, and rewatch the 6th generation fighter video or How X Destroys Armies, too.
Sounds like you are among the majority that aren’t being sufficiently intellectually utilized at work… imagine how much stronger our economy would be if everyone was being more efficiently leveraged & appreciated, and if the military engaged that public for more grassroots/crowdsourced ingenuity…
Story of my work life, 8-10 hour days means a lot powerpoint selection.
Designer: “So what exactly do we need?”
China: RANGE
Designer: “are you su..?”
China: (Reaper horn call) RANGE
I mean they’re not wrong
@@TheZachary86 Yes. It is however much funnier to believe that all memos from the Central Committee for Discipline Inspection are essentially one word in all caps.
China: Make them water powered
@@badluck5647 what is water powered? does that mean the Liquid Oxygen and Liquid Hydrogen fuel gets turned into water vapor? Isn't this most common liquid rocket fuel?
Instructions unclear I filled the fuel tank with water.
The way you massacred the Cobra Maneuver.... Chef's Kiss
Ramming someone with the jet: Nope
AMRAAMing someone with the missile: Yep
Nice
That one US pilot who used his landing gear to bash a Japanese bomber out of the sky over Henderson Field: "Pathetic!"
Our species urge to want to physically bonk things is simply too strong, and our aviation technology is still too young and undeveloped. There will be a day when metallurgy and structural dynamics for aircraft will finally catch up with mankind's intimate desire to ram whatever vehicle they are operating into their opponent, and smile and laugh while they do it. We are already testing this concept with our sword missiles, now we just gotta put meat in the seat, so glory is at hand.
Drake approved. Independence Day disapproved.
Leading to the other oft cited military shorthand in DCS : *"Fox-4"* ... hit it with your FACE !
Who knew an old woman in New England would find this fascinating and too terrifying to look away. Thank you for your thoroughness and attention to detail. Added to the wit and wordcraft and terror becomes palatable and even digestible
I wouldn’t be terrified. Like many things in life, range matters up to a point, but it’s less about the range of your missile than how you use it.
He does have that great gift of taking a subject seriously, but discussing it in a clever and witty way.
@@douglassun8456- I fully expect Perun to be able to read the inventory lists from a warehouse full of cabbage, and turn it into an entertaining foray of veggie knowledge we didn"t know we wanted.
Perun's series on corruption in armies is recommended, it's not so warlike but delves deep into the quirks of human behaviour and especially the russian flavour of evil dysfunctionality.
Besides, everybody should get to know the charmingly amoral Private Conscriptovich... 😊
😂 and Im an old Australian woman, discovered him in early 2022 and addicted ever since. So the sexist,ageist algorithm thinks that I'm a 30 year old male!😂
In WWI, the basic maxim was often a basic Maxim.
ah shit that took me a minute
I was waiting for that joke.
This technology was maximizing casualties.
Someone donate 45 bucks so this man can try the PLA Air-to-Air missile from the internet
My thoughts exactly. Order the goddamn missile, Perun. Do an unboxing video. Disappear for three months because the CIA had questions...
Right?? Surely there are 9 people here willing to throw $5 at this.
Temu out here causing some real questions to be asked.
@@olenickel6013I believe you mean EIA (Emu Intelligence Agency)
I have so many questions as to how this happened. I will gladly chip in a buck to help Perun buy one.
Love the classic Perun intro of having no intro and going straight to pressing our noses on facts
I would argue he does have an intro, his intro is just context for the rest of the video
He very definitely follows the optimal presentation maxim:
1. Tell them what you're going to tell them.
2. Tell them.
3. Them what you've told them.
Never, ever any click bait on this channel, just facts delivered in a humorous yet evocative manner. When I see a new Perun vlog dropped I drop everything else! Thanks mate, you are a fantastic researcher and analyst but package it all in stellar deliveries. Who knew a humble Power Point without much bling delivery could be so intensely captivating? 😊
It pisses me off when everyone else spends ages telling me what the title of the video says - guess what, I fucking read it! - or wastes ages playing music (Drach…).
He has an opening, but let’s take a sec to appreciate that there’s no minute long graphic and spiel about “hey there, it’s yaboi Perun here, be sure to like comment and subscribe for all that RUclips algo bs, something something shadow raid legends something become a Scottish lady/lord, etc”
"Missile of Theseus" - 10 points for classic props!
It's like George Washington's hatchet, handed down through the generations - the head's only been replaced once, and the handle three times...
@@rayg.2431 The answer to the Ship and the Hatchet is - Yes.
I dont see why anyone thinks they wouldn't be.
How to get exact specs of any weapon:
Step 1: add to war thunder, make it terribad
Step 2: wait for inevitable leaks.
Honestly though, it is none of that, perun is just a nazi supporter, he has never stopped repeating the propaganda of the russian nation.
You missed a opportunity describing the Meteor missile 48:02 : It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead!
The advice on avoiding getting hit by one reminded me to click the like button 😂
Is it operated by that snail I tried to bargain with for a million bucks?
Droll very droll
Meteor isn’t Austrian
" It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead!"
So, like a cat with an empty food bowl at 3am? :-)
Defense economics and analysis PowerPoints are an essential part of a balanced breakfast.
They are part of my gym routine. Best background audio
Right alongside the glass of marshmallows I just had lol
And a balanced part of your defense procurement.
@@antonberkbigler5759 😂 Balanced breakfast 😂
@@antonberkbigler5759 breakfast of champions 🥂
The missile knows where it is at all times.
It knows this because it knows where it isn't.
By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation.
@@CharChar2121Ninja'd, and more correctly into the bargain. Nicely done.
@@sixstringedthingdid you watch The Final Flight Of The Missile Guidance System on youtube?
The guidance sub-system uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is, to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is.
I did not need the image of Voldemort being a fighter pilot shooting Meteors, but here we are. Thanks Perun.
43:35 lol a Kirov airship! Cool Command and Conquer reference!
"Helium mix optimal."
"Missile system operational. ROCKETS RED GLARE."
Clearly Perun forgets that shooting balons IRL is difficult and that a fully elite Kirov dropping nukes and repairing itself is nothing to sniff at.
We may yet see stealth balloons as drone motherships as the 7th gen aircraft design. #makekirovgreatagain
Oh, is that what they are, silly me, I thought they were submarines.
I spat put my milk at Kirov airship
*Anti Air spam intensifies*
I am certain that the MBDA Meteor will be excellent and was designed by superb engineers......because they turned ME down when I applied for a job :)
😂😂😂
JAJAJAJAJA
This channel is how I learned to love PowerPoint presentations and now don't mind them in the military.
Amazing what someone who REALLY knows their tools can teach you about their use, isn't it?
How I learned to stop worrying and love the PowerPoint!
@@badjuju2721 A Dr Strangelove reference!
But don't you hate badly made presentation more now, after being spoiled by peruns?
@@peka2478The presentations aren't that good but the presenters are pretty decent so far.
These videos take me back decades to when the BBC assumed its audience had intelligence and were interested in varied subjects. Television was actually interesting then. This high level of information and research is why I now rely on RUclips.
MSM is mostly professional liars and culture war garbage
Alt media like this RUclipsr is the best 😊
That description of the Cobra Manoeuvres purpose 😆
From a f-16 pilot interview: The f-16’s only won the early redflags. Now days the f-35’s have had some software updates and some training updates. And the f-16’s are fighting light with no ordnance and the f-35’s are fighting with full fuel and gbu-12’s internal, and the f-35’s are winning more times then not.
Ie: the f-16 is fighting for its life, at the limits of the airframe and the f-35 is still thinking it can win the fight and still have time to go drop bombs.
The F-35 had a 145:7 kill ratio on it's very first Red Flag, and that was at Block 3i. Kill ratios have gotten even better, with Block 3F and mature tactics.
also worth noting that a lot of exercises are held where one side doesn't know the other is blatantly cheating, it's the only way to test true capabilities, you give the new system every disadvantage and the old every dirty trick in the book and see how it comes out. There is an old expression "age and treachery beats youth and vigor" and often that's true, but the youth can learn really fast to fight dirty. Also the USAF learned with early fly-by-wire systems that you need to put certain limits onto the airframe, but there is no real way of simulation testing what pilots will do, and how the plane will react until you actually fly the thing. So a lot like a more experienced gamer adjusting their DPS or other sensitivities to fit themselves, the plane needs to start out "safe" and get looser as the pilots learn to fly it, as these are all inherently unstable aircraft, and the system needs to be able to keep it flying. It'd suck to crash because your onboard flight controller couldn't handle the CPU load.
More times than not means you lose an attriction exchange eventually
@@rogerbiggerstaff3293 yup block 4 will make that go up further
@johnryan6003 what exactly is the point of your comment? It still wins the majority of the time
Great video as always, although I wanted to point out 2 things:
First, the brevity codes Fox 1/2/3 arent apparently used within the military to describe the missile itself, they are used to confirm the launch of said missile only during combat or exercise. Like, during a mission planning they wouldn't say "okay, let's load the jets with four Fox 3's". This is something I saw being pointed out by several different real-life military pilots so just wanted to pass this along.
Second, you mention how early in the Vietnam war the missiles proved so ineffective that everybody started strapping a gun pod on the F4. However, in US forces only USAF had the gun pod fitted to their F4's, while USN and USMC planes continued to fly with missiles only and still had favourable kill ratios by the end of the war. In USAF, less than 15% of kills were achieved with the gun. Generally the underperformance of the missiles early in the war is credited to bad doctrine, slow adaptation to enemy tactics etc. You probably know all this but I fell like this needs to be underlined for every person who still thinks "missile bad, dogfight good" (yes, they still exist).
I read the comments looking for these kinds. Thank you stranger.
Yeah, for all the gripes the missiles of the day weren't as shabby as people make them out to be. The main issue is that a BVR missile can't do its job very well when air traffic monitoring isn't sufficient to safely attack targets at BVR.
To your first point, I don't think the video did use Fox 1/2/3 to identify a specific missile, rather the type of missile, Fox 1 for SAR, Fox 2 for IR seeker and Fox 3 for radar guided. If you're talking about American forces then Fox 2 is a Sidewinder, Fox 3 an AMRAAM, yes, but broaden that to NATO then Fox 3 could also be a Meteor, Fox 2 could a number of indigenous IR missiles.
@@gwtpictgwtpict4214 yes the video referred to "classes" of missiles by their brevity codes rather than specific missiles, but the point is those codes are referring to LAUNCHING those classes of missiles from your aircraft, but not to describing a class of missiles in itself. I know it's a minor nitpick but apparently this is the correct way to speak. If you fire an AIM-9x you say "Fox 2" over the radio, but if your squad leader asks how many missiles you have left you never say "I only have two Fox 2's left".
Someone on a Perun comments thread recommended Scream of Eagles on the founding of Topgun and the Vietnam War.
Saying the US is using 'upgraded' missiles is an understatement.
The current Sidewinder, AIM-9X, has 90-degrees off-boresight lock-and-launch capability, it's part the most modern JHMCS helmets, it has lateral thrust vectoring in two axis and it can lock-on-after-launch against targets on it's own which allows it to be used by the F-22 and F-35 without hanging them on the outside of the plane.
The long-range AIM-120D (2016) has 50% more range and the range is classified, it's believed to be at least 100 miles (160KM).
AIM-260 JATM (AIM-120D replacement) which is going into service has a range of at least 120 miles (200KM) and started production in 2023.
Yep, Chinese and Russian always overstate their weapons, but the US understate its weapons.
Yeah it's easier to get funding for upgrades than completely new systems, so the US likes to make "upgrades" that are basically a completely new thing in a similar shape to the old one. Either that or Thesius together a new system over time.
Minor clarification - the characteristics you mention for the Sidewinder are for the missile itself.
The aircraft can add significantly to this. When employed from the F-35, the 9X can target directly behind the aircraft - it has a fully spherical target envelope.
They mostly fire the 9X from rails, but they have versions that can deploy from the weapons bay, and those do a "sci-fi cool looking" flip as they drop out and then fire their engine after achieving the correct attitude.
American missile: can turn around and shoot the bogey on your six
Russian missile: can turn around and shoot you!
When it comes to AA missiles, I think the current apex predators are IRIS-T(Which will circle around and kill you again, if it misses) and Meteor which will spped up and give you less time to dodge the closer it gets.
Aim9X and AIM120D will be the corollas of air combat. Mass produced and cheaper. So absolutely everywhere.
When the algo showed me All Bling No Basics a day or two after it came out, I hoped it wouldn't be a one off video but I didn't even dream I would get that level of content every week, consistently, for years. Early on, I made sure to like every video in the hopes that a good response would keep this new content creator posting. Now I'm not afraid of the channel dying but I still have to like every new video.
Yep! One of only two creators I support on Patreon. (The other is Suchomimus.)
I had to pause the video to applaud Perun for his concise analysis of the "cobra" maneuver. To quote Uncle Roger "If you need Cobra, you fucked up."
YESSS!!!! I TASTE HAPPINESS AGAIN!
Only Sundays!
I survive the rest of the week by re-watching old Perun videos, plus some Williams Spaniel snacks in between.
@@AnimeSunglassessame with Perun reruns, plus some Drach and Rex’s Hanger videos
So...in one hour I learned more about missile technology than in several years of researching through other media. That's the value of your channel, Perun. You boil down complex topics into easy to understand and convey language. We're all very thankful for that.
If you want very detailed information on air-to-air missiles and their workings, I very strongly recommend you the "Millenium 7 *" channel. He does quite detailed explanations of modern missiles, sensors and missile- and fighter aerodynamics in an understandable way.
WW1 pilots saw themselves as knights of the skies just for how plane to plane combat were conducted. They drew similarities to jousting in how they aimed the craft toward eachother and sprayed bullets at them, their lance.
Bi-plane jousting would have been awesome. Sounds like a Redbull sport.
@@somethinglikethat2176 Way too dangerous, jousting is intended as a sport, not a death sentence. "Unhorsing" the other pilot would be death due to impact speeds. You maaaybe could do something by having flags on each aircraft, and removing them from the opposing aircraft COULD, be an alternative. Save for the issue of where would you put them. The wingtips? Risks damaging control surfaces.
@Destroyer_V0 considering how much slower old biplane could fly, plus modern advances in parachute technology, the risks involved in damaging the plane are probably substantially reduced(especially since if it was made a sport, they'd likely be flying over a designated field which could be prepared to help soften landings...
@@RipOffProductionsLLC Alrighty, counterpoint. Time for some numbers.
The wright flyer. The first heavier than air aircraft that flew. Traveled at 48km/hr. Two aircraft traveling at this speed would be an impact speed of 96km/hr. And for context. 100km/hr is highway speeds in australia. You do not survive getting hit at the equivalent of 98km/hr without an incredible degree of luck.
Speed is relative. The first biplanes were still faster than most cars of the day.
Hell, even modern GA aircraft, with 100 horsepower engines. Which was the sort of thing you would see on later WWI era biplanes. have stall speeds, the point at which they start falling rather than flying, at 120 kph. Aircraft specifically designed for short field take off do have a more favourable stall speed, means they take off quicker. But they still tend to be roughly comparable to the flight speed of the wright flyer!
@@Destroyer_V0 ah, I was misinformed on how slow WWI era planes flew.
12:00 if playing Half Life teached me anything, the guy with the crowbar better be good at strafing
Power armor certainly helps.
Alternatively, he could just reverse bhop over before the other guy has a chance to react
No mention on whether either of the 2 blokes have HEV suits, or whether those suits come with helmets
39:30 In 2019 I happened to get an ad on my RUclips stream, for ground to ground missile system from Rafael Advanced Defense Systems (no, I'm not from Israel, but i was watching a bunch of bronze age documentaries at the time, some about the Egypt, Hittites, Philistines and Canaanites) and thought, "who the hell buys missiles because of an youtube ad". Well, here we are...
That happened to me! Except what this RUclips ad was trying to sell me was the Friend-or-Foe identification sytem for Ground-to-Air weapon systems.
Totally bizarre.
I thought to myself "why does RUclips think i am the Secretary of Defence?"
I keep getting ads for IAI loitering munitions too. Google thinks I’m the minister of defense…
Your channel is the ONLY one that I let commercials play all the way through on to increase your funding
So?
Seriously. Me too
@@colincampbell4261 The more people watch the advertisements the more money the RUclipsr will get from future advertisements.
Premium is pretty good value.
As I understood it from one explanation of the YT revenue model, YT pools all ad revenue, then distributes it in proportion to all qualifying content creators. (I forget, minimum number of views or subscribers)
If I didn't bungle that, it means what matters is how many ads you play across all your videos viewed, not just the ads specific to one channel you favor. Corrections welcome!
B b b But dogfighting! Guns! Something something MiGs, something something Phantoms.
3:15 Basic _maxim,_ I see what you did there.
I am insulted that he implied the maxim is a basic weapon
@@the_undeadIt is a high end anti-aircraft weapon with long and distinguished service history.
@@herptek It has been in service for 137 years! Six generations of soldiers can't be wrong. Even though at least the first generation had to wait for its AA role due to planes not being invented yet. 😀
@@mortisCZ It was already there waiting do down the insidious new emerging threat of the future! Perhaps a few drones can yet be downed with it just to add to its undying fame.
And yet, essentially all militaries around the world continue to equip their fighters with guns and invest in research for ever more advanced dogfight missiles. So the world's air forces at the very least seem to agree that yes, indeed: "Dogfighting! Guns! Something something MiGs, something something Phantoms."
The face when you remember, "ITS SUNDAY! AUSTRALIAN POWERPOINT TIME!"
10/10 for the appropriate use of the word ‘yeet’
As a weapons systems ignoramus, I've watched your posts and studied the development of firearms up to the 18th century. This blew my mind. It was so interesting. Thank you, Perun for this from the bottom of my heart.
The Americans always have such damn cool toys. Thank God they don’t mind selling them to us Aussies. The Sidewinder was such a stroke of genius.
The China Lake Naval Air Station invented the original Sidewinder in house. Interesting story. There is videos floating around YT.
I think your vinyl record comparison at 36:30 is spot on because vinyl does actually have a few advantages, despite being obsolete.
My god, 9 comments within the first minute of the video's release. Perun is getting pretty ludicrously popular huh? (still deserves a lot more recognition imo)
Almost 500k subscribers too. He’s earned it. Been a huge fan since all bling no basics.
I'm watching this not even half an hour after release. It's already got thousands of views.
@@calebtice6668 30 min and almost 7k people have seen it
if you look at his most watched videos, they're from more than a year ago. i think he has found an audience, but long term there are only so many crazy people like us who watch a powerpoint presentation on a sunday.
btw if you're really into powerpoint and speak german, reisner gave a talk at the bundeswehr university in munich. had some interesting points. and powerpoint
The Perun-verse is wide and varied. The “Race For” and “How [blank] Ruins Militaries” video lists, Pavel and his mates doing something awesome, the antics/woes of Private Conscriptovich, Colonel Kleptovsky, etc., or the nuggets of humor sprinkled into our weekly powerpoint… every week it is funny, and something I look forward to.
Interesting tidbit of missile development history:
The AIM-54C Phoenix by Hughes Aircraft was an absolute unstoppable beast, capable of easily picking enemy fighters or cruise missiles out of ground clutter and diving into them from above in a manner that was almost completely unavoidable. The problem was, by the late 80s it was outdated technology in a missile body too huge for anything but a monster like the F-14 to carry.
In the early 80s the AMRAAM program at Hughes was spun up, and according to the head of the Phoenix program (a relative of mine) there was practically a revolving door for engineers between the two programs. And when the Navy decided to not avail themselves of thePhoenix upgrades Hughes offered, the Phoenix program was reduced to "maintenance" status and the engineers were transferred... to the AMRAAM project. One of the overt goals of AMRAAM at Hughes was to bring Phoenix-level performance to a missile smaller than an AIM-7 Sparrow. The only AIM-54C performance metric the AIM-120 couldn't meet or exceed was range, due to the smaller size simply not having room for a rocket motor as large as Phoenix had... but advances in solid fuel technology have brought the latest versions of the AMRAAM to within shouting distance (86nm) of the AIM-54C's 100nm range. So if anyone ever asks why the Hughes AIM-54 Phoenix was never pursued beyond the C model, the answer is that it WAS, in the form of the Hughes AIM-120 AMRAAM.
@8:43 The joke about the cobra and DCS was great! I've watch your videos for some time now and I love your humor but I have to say the cobra joke was one of the best. Thanks!
Some of these big boi very long range missiles carried in a very stealthy aircraft like a B-21 (likely more stealthy than a fighter shape) would be quite a dangerous combination.
I wouldn’t be shocked if fighters started getting a lot bigger as weapons and sensors become rather more important than agility.
another fresh installment straight from the Perun Press, don't mind me as i sit back - with a nice drink and some good lunch to watch todays slideshow!
Oh, Boy! Missile Gap! Waves of nostalgia sweeping across my amygdala.
Sometime somewhere in the future the west will get an intact example of a super advanced Chinese missile. Then everyone will be really disappointed, that there is nothing to learn and it’s a piece of overhyped rubbish.
The BAMRAAM gets my vote - great jokes throughout the stream make my day! 😀 Sounds like the song from Ram Jam and the song Black Betty 🤘
You continue to produce the best RUclips content! I wait every week to know and watch your videos. I am 68 and learn from everything you post. Keep it up..
Did you think Ukraine ever had a chance to win its conflict with Russia through might of arms? That economic war would bring Russia to its knees? Did you think the west can produce enough of any sort of missile to make a difference for Ukraine? Do you still? Then for 2 years you have really learned nothing.
‘Get a bev out of the esky’. You beauty.
48:45 The new Rafale F4 can already launch a meteor without any detection/lock from its own radar but with AWACS lock x00km behind.
Perun closing the Lunar Year with my favorite topic: aerial warfare.
As a space exploration fan, I’ve long thought that a two-stage missile would be the best way to extend range. Like getting a capsule into orbit, you use a huge telephone pole of a rocket as a booster to get into range, then that gets jettisoned leaving a smaller, agile, and fully fuelled upper stage missile to close in on the terminal phase. Seems like it would offer the best of both worlds in terms of range and maneuverability. That’s probably way harder than it sounds though, my engineering knowledge is mostly based on kerbal space program.
I expect it's mostly in the mass and cost of the second engine. You need to get decently far into the rocket equation before it's worth staging, instead of just adding more fuel. And if the last stage needs good performance for terminal maneuvers, it might have to be almost as big as the boost engine.
It's been in use with SAMs for decades (an example would be Aster 30 used by SAMP/T). The reason it is generally not used on aircraft are size and weight constraints. The point at which a full 2-stage missile becomes a reasonable choice is generally beyond the useful size and weight for fighter carried AAMs.
Though if you consider the booster that brings it up to Mach 1 or 2, the Meteor would probably qualify.
@@MajinOthinusThe Meteor is a bit of a special case as I believe it uses the empty case of its spent solid propellant booster as the combustion chamber of its later ramjet stage. Very clever design.
500k let's gooooo ! Congrats my man, your hard work pays and is appreciated.
I desperately need a meme of Rufio screaming “Bamram!!!”
43:35! Lol! Kirov Airship! I died laughing . Love the C&C reference.
10:16: I love the Han Shot First reference!
I'd like to point out a small mistake. It is correct that the Eurofighter or Rafale are not considered stealth aircrafts because stealth was not a priority in their development. But you specifically said they do not have any stealth features and this is incorrect. They do have a number of features that reduce their Radar cross section. Just not to the extent that it would compromise other capabilities. It still makes a huge difference thought. An EF has an RCS of down to 0,5 m² while something like an SU27 has about 15m². Just a detail worth noting in my opinion.
What about all those unstealthy weapons it carries?
@@goldreserve What about them? The sentence "It doesn't have any stealth features" is still incorrect.
Modern EFs still dont have AESA and use the mech scan CAPTOR radar from the 90s, which they were comparing to the mid N001 radar of the SU-27 lmao. So to this day, EFs can only use 50% of the Meteor's range. Source: Eurofighter Aircraft AST 414 equipment and weapons. They're STILL prototyping AESA for the EF, which is sad that the Soviets achieved ESA before the europeans (aside from France).
@@TheDAWinz uhm I agree but why do you write this as a reply to my comment? It has nothing to do with my comment.
Not just that. The Eurocanards may not have been developed with physical stealth in mind, but they do have top of the line electronic warfare suites which, especially in the case of the Rafale, make it possible to confuse radar signatures by sending false/distorted signals. These make it difficult to know where they are and then make it difficult to get a weapons lock even when you do know. Even as far back as 2009, Rafale went undetected vs S300s during the Mace XIII exercises in Slovakia. It is also why Rafales were the only planes to enter Lybian airspace before ground air defences had been neutralised.
“A Kirov Airship” beautiful!
There are very very few people who can make a video about next gen missiles hilarious, but you sir are one of them.
16:11 that graphic sums up my approach to addiction treatment as well.
That's a surprisingly common misconception. Meteor is not using ramjet.
Meteor has a two-stage rocket engine, with first stage (roughly half of volume) being high-impulse conventional solid fuel-oxidizer mixture setup, but second stage being the trick one.
For the second stage it runs novel solid fuel atmospheric oxidizer setup, that has unparalleled specific impulse and, by some report, can be somehow throttled to fine-tune burn profile.
What I have been lied to by a youtube video, absolutely shocking
It's a solid fuel ramjet (with a rocket booster)
Ramjet's don't work well, if at all, at low speeds so yes, Meteor has a conventional rocket booster to get it up to a speed where the ramjet can kick in and then the magic happens.
It is called SFDR technology: Solid Fueled Ducted Ramjet. India has been flight testing a missile with similar design since 2018.
@@death_paradeand Russian Army 2K12 Kub operators (SA-6 in NATO terms) have been using rocket ramjets since the late 60s.
The amount of views Perun CONSISTENTLY gets in such a short period of time, is staggering. 250k views in a day. 350k views in less than a week is normal.
Props brotha. Speaks to ur quality content.
Perun interviewing Justin bronk would probably cause the internet to fold in on itself due to too much relevant content
Your going to break it, and cause the world economy to collapse. And next week, Raytheon will be selling it as their next weapons platform.
I'm sure Perun has the clout. Didn't he land Ben Hodges a while ago?
yeah and perun made hodges use his go to "now thats an excellent question" more than usual. lols@@douglassun8456
@@douglassun8456 nailed it, waiting for internet to fold in on itself, lols
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43:36 KIROV REPORTING
Thank you for the nostalgia bump.
best power points on the internet, hands down. preemptive congrats on 500k subs!
Perun is just the best. Love the facts that stream of his tongue.
Just made a coffee and put down the book, lo and behold here we go.
Off to the littlest room for some quiet time.
Thanks PowerPoint emu lover.
PL-15 has one of the best NATO reporting names - the Abbadon. Somebody at AFIC clearly loves that thing.
? What does Abbadon even mean? It's gibberish surely?
@@cliveashleyhamilton it means ‘destroyer’ or ‘doom’ in Hebrew and Greek mythologies.
@@APDM_OSINT I think you'll find they are just running out of reporting names which begin with A as is the naming convention
@@cliveashleyhamiltonthe tens of thousands of English nouns starting with A beg to differ
@ExHyperion oh yeah which ones that aren't taken? I can think of hardly any
I don't know what's wrong with me but everytime I hear about Raytheon, every fibre of my soul thinks it should be making sunglasses
Mashup Raytheon with Ray-ban and you get a guided missile that screens out glare and looks stylish.😁
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Always nice to hear a Red Alert reference
I found this really engaging and could totally watch another couple of videos on this topic
Oh boy, best part of sunday is here.
1:30
"What makes a good missile."
first of all, the missile has to know where it is. It does that by knowing where it isn't...
Always great and thoughtful information but it is your dry sense of humor sprinkled throughout that draws me back every week. Love your work.
Another great presentation! This is the most productive hour of my weekend 😎😎👍🏼
Perun
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There is yet another option that I'm surprised no one has publicly expressed potential interest in: Cargo aircraft drop and air launches of palletized SAMs.Think "Rapid Dragon" but with SAMs. I'd call it "Rapid Fraggin'", but maybe it needs a cool name like "Air Patriot" and/or a cool acronym like PADAWAAM for "Palletized Air-dropped Auxiliary Weapon Anti-Aircraft missile".
Pick a section of the sky and say “no”.
Also this could totally be fitted into a B-52 giving Grandpa Buff another upgrade.
When the Air Force and the Navy work on something together and actually get it into production you KNOW you don't want to be on the receiving end of whatever it is.
Perun, congratulations on reaching 500K subscribers!! Well done mate!
Hey perun you should know there is no channel on youtube I look forward to when they upload as much as yours. Really stellar content every week
I'd add this to my wedding vows: "Everything from here on out is probably wrong." :)
Wise man!
Excellent and engaging as always
I always look forward to a Sunday run with Perun. Thanks for all the hard work.
It’s worth noting that the first aircraft to fire an AIM-9 Sidewinder was an AD-1 Skyraider in 1947…
The Sidewinder is a seventy five year old weapons system designed to shoot down propeller aircraft…
How much of that original is actually left in more modern, upgraded version? I suspect not too much.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 The form factor and interfaces are still compatible. The booster didn’t change much in the last seventy years since it got rollerons (which it shares with the Soviet AA-2 Attol (and its electronic interface)).
YEAH *GAIJIN!*
Wasn't one of the problems with the Phantoms during Vietnam that they weren't allowed to shoot until they confirmed the target was in fact an enemy, which lead the whole concept with long range radar and missile ad absurdum, because they literally had to wait to confirm with their eyes what they were aiming at was an enemy and at that point the other side could shoot back.
Basically, the doctrine didn't keep up with the technology.
Yeah, Sandboxx did a vid just a few days back.
yeah, it's the reason I included that point on RoE restrictions constraints the advantage of missile range
IF they didn't have this restriction maybe the would have found out way sooner that the AIM-7 early versions sucked balls.
Yes, and this is arguably what gave the Lightweight Fighter Mafia an excuse for existing.
Perun, by far your best episode - ever. Thanks for your great content
Very informative. Well researched and well presented in a clear and precise manner. Good job!
These videos are one of the few things I look forward too anymore, thank you for making them :)
"If two blokes meet for a duel but one's carrying a crowbar..."
_Gordon Freeman has entered the chat_
Loved this. Thanks!
Now I want a video comparing different lightweight and heavyweight torpedoes.
"Starting WW3 because it would be a shame to waste one"
Damn PowerpointMan, I see your wit is sharp as ever.
WE LOVE YOU PERUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for keeping simple to understand Perun
Super excited for this video
As long as the Missile knows where it is at all times, its enough
Tell me you mention the F-14 carrying 6 Phoenix ;-)
41:49 😂
56:26 that picture actually makes a lot of sense. Strange that nobody else has done it before.
Staged missiles are mostly done for balistic missiles and orbital launch. You have to design and build basically a second rocket engine in every missile (which is one of the most expensive parts, after the seeker head) and it often loses the trades in comparison to just putting an extra engine's mass of fuel aboard.
A top video for a channel that is already the very top of its category, wonderful.
Well done!