The Death of New York Central | Success, Innovation, and One Bad Merger | History in the Dark
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- New York Central is one of the most famous railroads in American history. They enjoyed nearly a century of success and good management, sporting famous expresses and some of the best locomotives ever built. But as the market shifted in the 1950's, New York Central started to struggle along with all the other railways. This resulted in an ill-fated merger with the Pennsylvania Railroad to become Penn Central, followed by the implosion of both companies.
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The Dreyfuss’ hudsons are absolutely beautiful and that none exist in preservation is a crime.
You can thank the anti-steam owner of NYC, Alfred Pearlman
@@subzerofromny735 I’ve heard this story, it’s infuriating to me both as an enthusiast and as someone who enjoys art and history as well.
Only a tender from one of them was preserved
@subzerofromny735 The enemy of historical value and steam locomotives, If you look at other railroads even rival Pennsylvania Railroad they saved many of their steam locomotives including their flagship K4 Pacifics
Maybe after the T1 Trust finishes PRR 5550, they can build a locomotive to go with the tender.
It’s unlikely, but a man can DREAM!!!
🔥🚂🔥🚂🔥
Legend has it that Pearlman’s ghost still roams the rails today, searching for that last MOHAWK.
Just makes sure he doesn't go to the NYC Railroad Museum! Or any other railroad museum for that matter...
@@xlthecoolguy-lz7uh I want that steam engine!
Perlman NEVER hated steam engines, nor wanted them gone. In fact, he presented NYC 2933 to the National Museum of Transportation (NMT) in St. Louis, Missouri, where 2933 resides to this day. Yes, Perlman did scrap almost every steam locomotive on the railway, but that was all in an effort to save the railway. By the time 2933 was donated to the NMT, NYC no longer needed to scrap so many locomotives in order to stay afloat, so Perlman decided to donate 2933.
Also, NYC 2933 and 3001 are not the only surviving NYC steam locomotives, as there are several others still here today. There are two 0-6-0s (6721 and 6894), two 2-8-2s (5780 and 2976), one 4-4-2 (8085), and 4-4-0 999, which was the first locomotive to hit 100 miles per hour.
@@AnimalsVehiclesAndMore Sorry, I'm taking the joke too seriously
Probably! He was Crazy! Scrapped the Hudson’s, Niagara’s too!
Fun fact, a former New York Central GP40 is actually the oldest diesel locomotive in revenue passenger service in North America: built in October of 1965 NYC 3005 is now NJ Transit GP40PH-2B 4207.
And they say Metra has outdated locomotives.
At the instant I heard the "... boys." and Perlman appeared on the screen, I ended up with the biggest smile. I'm sure we're all fully aware that Darkness' version of Perlman is a massive exaggeration for purposes of entertainment, but damned it all if it ain't funny AF.
Thanks, Darkness, for so many laughs. Hopefully Perlman himself would approve of this.
A E Perlman casts a long shadow over successful profitable railroading today. He and his hand picked team saved Western Pacific, and those men Kenefick etc on to UP after that merger with the total success of which we all should know
Gotta love the penn board members, “this is how we’ve always done it” “Ya but you’re not making any money”. “… But this is how we’ve always done it”
Great vid as always, I’ve been waiting to see another railroad video, bot New York Central was one of the greatest railroads, I just hate how their merger failed miserably
Back to your roots, eh Darkness? Great! Also, just so you all know, in case you're wondering, the reason NY State removed the canal tolls was that they began realizing the speed and efficiency of railroads versus canals. See, they actually tested a train carrying a specific freight load along the route of the Erie Canal versus a barge doing the same thing. The train took less than one day, the barge took two full days. They then decided that canals, as superior as they were to simple carts, were still inferior to railways.
The Penn Central merger killed the New York Central RR. It was turning around under Perlman and it is well known that he didn’t favor the merger or want it. In my opinion it should have never happened. One that should have happened was the Erie Lackawanna merger into the ATSF.
Waited a long time for this too after The Man, The Myth, The Chainsaw. Alfred E Pearlman Video.
And it's been too long
This is why fascism/communism is bad. Government fully dictating how business runs never works long term. I grew up with Conrail years next to my apartment til I was in 4th grade IIRC.
Regulation is needed but generally government takes too much of a roll or takes no action when they should
OH GOSH HE'S BACK
AND HE'S GOT HIS CHAINSAW
Yay it's train time again! And it's the anti-steam guy meme too! Get out your Stihl chainsaws!
The second I saw "New York Central" was the topic, I knew that an Alfred E Perlman segment would have to be somewhere in it.
What's ironic about this, is before Stuart Saunders went to Pennsy, he was in charge of Norfolk & Western. N&W did improve their efficiency and revenue, all the while keeping steam locos on the roster. N&W, historically, was never happy with the status quo.
My pipe dream is that the ICC would've allowed (even tho no one at the time thought it was even worth trying anyway) The New York Central to Merge with the Milwaukee Road, and create the first continental spanning system. And give Pearlman control of it! The "New York & Milwaukee Central"
You need to do a video about the Delaware Lackawanna and Western… that railroad has a neat history
New York Susquehanna & western has been around for eons and is still kicking today. They got the neatest history of them all. Alot of ROW changes over the years and been around since 1800s, still haulin freight though.
Always a good time when Darkness reacts to Pearlman. 😁
The New York Central was such a great railroad no questions asked🙂
True and I would've liked it more if one man Alfred Perlman wasn't a thing
@@Railhog2102 Your a moron
Great video. Considering how Conrail was divided up by CSX and NS, New York Central should have merged with the C&O and the PRR should have merged with the N&W. The C&O and the N&W had the resources to be able to improve both railroads. If that had happened, then there would not have been such a crash of the rail industry in the North East.
Whoever filmed those Penn Central trains practically tipping over and pushing the tracks down into the mud was really brave.
The NYC used to have a line in the Akron area (northern part of Summit County) that went from Cleveland to Brady Lake, that was abandoned in the early 70s--except for a very small portion that is infrequently used for a gravel pit around the latter point. (most of the line is now a bike trail.) The line was dark territory--Penn Central favored the former Cleveland-Alliance line of the PRR since that line is signaled.
they also had another line in NE Ohio that was abandoned in the early 60s
"I think that was the old New York Central, City of Albany. Derailed in 1920 k**led hundreds of people. Did you catch the number on the locomotive?" "Sorry. I missed it." - Egon Spengler and Winston Zedemore, Ghostbusters 2
14:48 boys hes back
YESSIR New york central ❤❤❤
Darkness, I gotta say, I love how you keep the historical details in line but also add a bit of a comedic aspect to your videos every time! These make my day so much better
Black is the best color for any kind of locomotive
NYC attempted to merge with the B&O which would have made it more likely that the C&O would have taken over the combined company. But a bidding war ensued between Chessie and the Central which came down to acquiring a block of shares that were held by a group of investors over in Switzerland. It was here that Pearlman made a crucial mistake which allowed the C&O to successfully gain control of the B&O.
C&O eventually got control of the Western Maryland RR.
In the sense of a proven successful man of railroad business Perlman may have seemed godlike but no, it wasn't 'he' alone who allowed the C&O to gain control of anything.
I want more railroad videos.
I'm finally early for once
wow! I remember taking New York Central from Grand Central Station as a child to Utica New York! What a treat!!
Southern Pacific was also screwed by the ICC by not buying WP or merging ATSF.
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In my opinion no railroad does worse in preservation than the CENTRAL RAILROAD OF NEW JERSEY preserving a number making you want to cry 3 why speaking of CNJ you should do a video on there locomotives including camel backs
When are u gonna make a video on the new York Susquehanna & western RR? They been around for eons and are still kicking today; a very interesting history.
Look at conrail system most conrail system maid up new York central trackage think about conrail used new for k central from Pittsburgh to Chicago Chicago to new York also Boston ok crossroads conrail at Cleveland new York central also used new central track age Cleveland to st Louis only peice Pennsylvania railroad conrail used Pittsburgh to hairsburg got on reading then other railroad connections to new York central in new jersey other part Pennsylvania railroad sold to amtrack or scrap used secondary lines who best conrail new York central 70 % Pennsylvania Pittsburgh west scrap new York central better on it own
NYC and GN: probably the two best [American] railroads of all time.
GETTING RID OF STEAM LOCOMOTIVES ISN'T MINOR, IT'S MAJOR!!!!
Cen you make video ebavt santa fe railroads history
Good, now we finally have all 3 components of what became Penn Central
Are there plans to do a fallen flags railroad video. For BN, MRL and Santa Fe?
Can you please do a video on the Virginian Railway?
I waited for this… and it was worth the wait…
"let's talk about it... *Booyyyysss*"
Oh. The new York. Central. 🥴🥴🥴🥴
yes about time, more railroad videos.
The trains are back!
Thank the lord you finally discuss this. Perlman is oerhated and the steam thing with him is really missunderstood. Thx. for sharing.
Yeah foamer stupidity owed to just a few stupid people ignorant of known and well documented facts
Waiting for this forever.
MY FAVORITE RAILROAD!! It's what I model in HO.
Hope you do NYW&B next
New York central is all but forgotten about compared to PRR
@@subzerofromny735 I'd rather have a sister working in a Whorehouse than a brother working for the Pennsylvania Railroad
AWESOME 😊
I'm typing this at 1 second into this... "I WANT THAT STEAM ENGINE!!!!"
Did Perlman ever have any regrets about scrapping all those steam engines?
I asked because Southern Railway is President DW Bronson said later that he had some regrets about cutting those engines up on the Southern Railway. (Granted this comes from the film about 4501 so...)
More stupidity from foamers. NYCS Dieselization happened under Robert R. Young, UHH, PERIOD
The NYC gives bad vibes because of what Alfred Perlman did, The only thing that guy did was saving the railroad from financial ruin but even then it was no use as the New York Central met its demise with the Penn Central merger
Your bad vibes are due to your own ignorance of actual historical fact
@coldwar1952 Not true, Although he tried to save the railroad from financial stress his legacy is marred by the scrapping of steam locomotives including the famous Hudsons, Meanwhile if you look at people such as Ross Rowland, Jerry Joe Jacobson and F Nelson Blount they actually cared about steam preservation
@@Railhog2102 Dieselization on the NYC happened under Robert Young. Perlman became chairman later who then answered to shareholders, employees, the ICC. Not a preservationist like the other names you mention we all know. Well vetted and edited books and other paperwork remain available with the facts to serve as reference. Join the NYCS Historical Society if you actually care to step away from the internet slop trough of falsehoods and learn about and help preserve the actual known facts and history of this great road and man.
Like the comment if you missed darknesses train videos and comment if you could preserve a single NYC locomotive is it gonna be the Niagara or Hudson I know worlds hardest question
Hudson. Better looking. Streamlined. We have the fef of UP which looks similar to a Niagara and could if UP was willing be dolled up as a Niagara
True Perlman did wrongfully scrap all the Hudsons and Niagras and that in itself is a crime, but remember there are no surviving steamers from New Haven or Erie.
WRONG DUMB IGNORANT OF ACTUAL HISTORY
0:20 MABYE U SHOULD BLAME THE PRR AND THE NYC THEMSELVES-
00:57 _Schenectady_ → Nailed it! :^)