The DUMBEST PLAYOFF TIEBREAK in NFL HISTORY
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- Опубликовано: 5 янв 2024
- Imagine missing the playoffs because you were too good. I am not kidding. That was a real tiebreaker from 1967-1969- if you were too good, you were in danger of missing the playoffs. This is the breakdown and the story behind that
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The late 1960s/early 1970s definitely had some of the weirdest tiebreaking procedures of all time.
I would have loved to have seen the Giants win their final game in 1970 just to see that chaos that would have happened in the NFC (it's been talked about quite a bit and JG9 has a video about that)..
@@andrewpadaetz5549I suspect the NFL would have compromised by the delaying the rest of the playoffs a week and have a Lions-Cowboys Wild Card playoff game the next week with that added permanently for the 1971 instead of the 1978 season as it was.
@@WaltGekko that is what I was thinking as well-move the other rounds down one week for a WC playoff between the Lions and Cowboys (coin flip to determine home field).
Really enjoying all of the excellent sports content you're putting up on RUclips, but I particularly enjoyed your VERY THOROUGH TAKEDOWN of that lazy thief and con artist Depressed Ginger...
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Here is my guess: The 16 NFL helmets are not only arranged by each division but also the arrangement of helmets have the NFL teams within each division showing the number of seasons since each club made a postseason appearance after the 1969 NFL season. If the 1970 merger in pro football went with 16 teams in the NFL and 10 teams in the AFL and no teams swicthed divisions then this would be the final way the NFL would break ties. The helmet on the left of each row was the team with the most recent postseason appearance. Then as one goes from left to right in each row the number of seasons without a postseason appearance increases. For example the NFL Central Division on the left Minnesota they most recently made the postseason in 1969, Green Bay in 1967, Chicago in 1963, and Detroit in 1957 are arranged in that order. This is the case for the other 3 rows as well.
This is why you have the best channel! I immediately thought about the Big 10 conference at the start. of this video . Due to this rule and the CFP the only big 10 school to win the rose bowl in two straight years is Wisconsin 1998 and 1999. I think Wisconsin went to the Rose bowl after the 1993 season for the same reason
Wisconsin tied with Ohio State two ways-in both the standings and the game between them. Ohio State previously made the Rose Bowl in 1984. Wisconsin was 1962.
Outstanding video. Previously knew about that Big Ten Conference football rule and why Go Green Go White only appeared in the 1966 Rose Bowl and not the 1967 one. Never knew NFL had similar rule from 1967 to 1969 until watching this video. Learned something new today.
The Pac-8/10 had the same rule for the Rose Bowl.
i mean, honestly, once you get past head to head and division and/or conference records "well, you made the palyoffs last year and they didnt" is probably better than half the rest of the tiebreakers we have now.
Awesome video. This reminds me of how HS basketball used to be in Wisconsin. The first 2 games of the tournament were at campus sites at the higher seeded school. In the 2nd round, if the lower seeded team didn't host in the 1st round, then it was at the lower seeded team's site. It felt like it was punishing teams for being good but also rewarding teams for upsetting in the 1st round. They changed it in 2004 to be at the higher seeded team's site.
I never even knew about that foolishness. Thank goodness the current NFL entity (1970-present) finally got smart and implemented a much more robust tiebreaking system that makes sense.
Heh...
For years they continued a weird situation where sometimes the visiting team had the better record.
For example, the undefeated 1972 Miami Dolphins had to GO TO Pittsburgh for the Championship game!
Go figure that one out
@@d0nKsTaH That's because the home team was decided on a divisional rotation. I'm so relieved that real seeding eliminated that mess.
@marcus813 to be fair that makes sense on a marketing standpoint you divisional rounds would take place in different places most often think of how many division rounds where played in Foxborough during the brady era
@@danielmallory4687 I prefer the teams earn the right to host instead of having a rotation. We should never see a situation like the Dolphins had in 1972 again.
@@marcus813 why not its entertainment its not like it matters in anyway hell it would avoid this playoffs with 2 snowed games back to back
You said that no teams tied atop an NFL division from 1967 through 1969. That's incorrect. In '67, when the Rams won their final game of the season against the Colts, each team had an 11-1-2 record. However, since the two teams had tied 24-24 in their earlier game that year, the Rams did win the division, based on the combination of total points scored between the two teams in those two games.
I've heard of some pretty dumb ideas in my life when it comes to sports *cough*NASCARplayoffs*cough*, but this has got to be the dumbest idea I've ever heard
I'm pretty sure the B1G used to use something similar as a tiebreaker to decide who would go to the Rose Bowl in case of a co-champion.
I enjoyed the video- that was a good way to describe what the NFL was going in the 1960’s with that tiebreaker they implemented- it was maddening to me at least! 😮😮😮😅😅
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You'll be good n toasty by 12:00 in....
I was listening to one of your videos after searching something up that had to do with what I was watching and then lo and behold, I scroll downward to see this www uploaded just minutes ago.
One tiebreaker that I'd like to see added (two actually).
I think that a regulation time win should carry more weight than an overtime win. Likewise, that an overtime loss shouldn't carriy the stigma as s regulation time loss.
Therefore, the first tiebreaker should be the greatest number of regulation time wins snd tte second tiebreaker, the fewest regulation time losses.
Almost happened in 1977 with Bengals/steelers. Where Cincinnati had tie breaker by one point. Luckily bengals lost their week 14 game
I know you do College Football. Something like this was used to determine who was going to the Cotton Bowl out of the Southwest Conference ( yes, it's that old) because Texas A&M was on probation.
Are the helmets arranged based on conferences and how long it had been since each team won their conference
About the helmets, they are arranged by division, and their division names all started with the letter "C" (Capitol, Century, Coastal, and Central, respectively).
I remembered you did one of your past videos regarding division names.
I’m betting you can tell this story in 5 minutes, and you want me to sit through 20 minutes?
It made me go back and look at the Big Ten 1967 season. Indiana, Purdue, and Minnesota all tied for first, and all three were 1-1 in head to head. So they were all co-champions, but Indiana went to the Rose Bowl for longest drought. Growing up in Minnesota, I was aware of this, since that is the last time the Gophers finished in 1st, though being co-champions. I knew the Big Ten used this for a long time, but I never knew the NFL did also. Crazy!
I wonder what the AFL would have done after expanding their postseason for 1969, and say the Raiders and Chiefs would have finished tied like they did in 1968?
The Big 10 had a no repeat rule for the Rose Bowl and it was dumb.
Playoff scenarios can get dumb ngl
I think it's crazy the last year the champion was crowned without a title game(1932)the bears won it with a 7-1-6(.875) record while second place was the packers at 10-3-1(.769).
Mind you records show alot of those bears ties were a score of 0-0 so I assume they just didn't play. A team could've won 1 game and tied 11 like that and won the chip because their win-loss percentage would've been perfect.
Like the Bengals and bills canceling wasn't considered a tie and they actually recorded a score a year ago.
Could you include a link to JG9 News, please?
Helmets are arranged by division; Capital, Century, Coastal, Central
You're halfway there. The order of the helmets on each row matters too
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 Lol yeah I should've figured it wasn't that easy...can't be division standings because no way did New Orleans not finish last lol....
@@OfficialJaguarGator9gimme a hint; I can't move on until this case is cracked 😂
@@OfficialJaguarGator9I think I got it. It's in order of when each team was division champion but arranged using the 67-69 alignment.
Nitpicking here, but since ties were still a thing at this point in NFL history, the previous year's Division winner actually started the next season at a HALF game disadvantage vs their Division rivals...
Otherwise, enjoyed your very thorough presentation🤓🤓
The realignment scenario shows how this is flawed, but the funnier scenario is if the Steagles coop team won their division, then didn't win until this rule came into effect, then tied atop the same division
Steelers:
Eagles:
Rozelle: We lost the coin, so I guess you guys are gonna have to merge again...have fun in Green Bay? 😂
Uh - the very first season for this - 1967 - the Rams beat out the Colts on aggregate - 58-34. LA won 34-10 at the Coliseum on the final weekend, meaning Baltimore, who hadn't lost at all before that game, was frozen out of the playoffs
Head to head technically because the tied the first time
That wasn't aggregate so much as it was the Rams winning the series 1-0-1. Head-to-head tiebreak applied first
@@someperson3883 if that's the case then even more weird since starting in 1970, head-to-head record was the first tiebreaker, then after division and conference records, aggregate (commonly known as head-to-head point differential) was used, and broke the tie twice to determine division champs (1973 Dallas over Washington and 1977 Minnesota over Chicago), plus four other times where it was used to break non-playoff impacting standings ties
One other thing - prior to 1972, ties were posted in publications about standings - such as when a team finished 9-4-1, but didn't count towards a team's overall winning percentage. In terms of overall record, it would be as if the game never happened
@@matthewdaley746 I've never really looked at it that way, especially when just one game determined who advances or wins the title
The 1965 NFL tiebreaker was for the Western Conference between the Packers and Colts... why Baltimore always kept being in put in Western Conferences is puzzling
The reason the Colts were in the West was because when they joined the NFL in 1953 they took the place of the Dallas Texans who had folded after the 1952 season. Also, from 1950-52 the East and West conference's were known as the American and National conferences.The league wanted to keep the conferences/divisions consistent. Each conference had one New York team and one Chicago team. It wasn't until the 1970 merger that the Colts were finally placed in a geographic division that made sense.
Some think of Pete Rozelle as the head of the NFL at the time as a God like figure and yes he was a great getting his league on TV and also revenue sharing but he made some blunders like playing the weekend after JFK 's death and the Raiders moving to LA case and this tie breaking situation which by pure luck did not happen plus the 1970 coin flip possibility. I am not a Roger Goodell fan but I cannot imagine him having a silly tie breaker situation like this one.
The 1967 season did have a tied division with the Rams and Colts finishing 11-1-2, but the Rams took the tiebreaker because they were 1-0-1 against the Colts (it helped that the last game of the 1967 season the Colts and Rams played with the Rams winning 34-10)
Win 11 of your first 13 and go home after 1 loss... that's messed up
That's like NBA coaching for the All Star game they pick the head coach with the best record 2 weeks before the game unless you coached last year then they pick the coach with the second best ry
At least that one makes sense just so that these coaches aren’t massively overworked every year and get some time off for a meaningless exhibition
@@OfficialJaguarGator9thank you for calling out MY PACKERS COACHING STAFF
They ABSOLUTELY need to hear it from you especially at the end of week 18 half 1
We absolutely should have destroyed Chicago instead of today's struggle session
I was LEGITIMATELY PISSED we didn't play better n LEGITIMATE COMPETITION like Dallas Philadelphia or San Francisco beats us by MULTIPLE SCORES if we played like we did today
This reminds me of something that happened in a bicycling stage race once. You may know the Tour de France and its yellow jersey, given to the rider in first place. It isn't always yellow (though in this case it happens to be) but a stage race always gives its overall leader a special distinctive jersey.
The 2011 Tour of California. After the riders refused to contest the nominal Stage 1 (which isn't as interesting a story as it sounds and has little bearing on the rest of this story), "Stage 2" is the first actually raced. Englishman Ben Swift is the first across the line, thus gaining the day's honors and the right to wear the yellow jersey the next day. His teammate, New Zealander Greg Henderson, finishes 11th, tied on the same time. This will be relevant.
The next day, with Swift riding in the yellow jersey, his team again tries to set him up for a stage win. But due to some bad positioning in the pack, Swift isn't able to come around Henderson as he did the day before. Henderson contests the sprint, and wins.
Swift finishes tied on the same time - in 11th place.
The yellow jersey is given to the rider with the lowest overall time. But after two stages, Henderson and Swift have exactly the same time, both finishing at the front of the race both days. Okay, go to the next tiebreaker - countback, or combined stage finishes.
Uh, yeah, they both had a win and an 11th place.....
Race referees had **no idea** who was to be given the yellow jersey for Stage 4 (eventually they gave it to Henderson since he won his stage more recently, but this was not explicitly spelled out in the race's rulebook).
Thankfully, this was never going to matter much, since Stage 4 was a mountain stage and neither Swift nor Henderson (muscular, heavyweight sprinters) were ever going to lead the race at that point. Nor is wearing the yellow jersey for a day some humongous honor (it's a cool feather in your cap and something to take photos of, but that's about it). It probably helped that Swift and Henderson were teammates, too.
But it's interesting to think of this potentially happening with the overall race championship at stake. I bet there's exhaustive tiebreakers spelled out now, even if they're unlikely to be needed.
8:43 I'M SORRY, WHAT?!
Tying on aggregate across two games seems like a remote possibility in basketball, since there's a huge amount of scoring events and shots can be worth 1, 2, or 3 points. Rolling matching scores is unlikely in the extreme.
But other sports, not so much. Just like why Scorigami is so special, football scores have only a few pieces to build with. In hockey and soccer you can only ever score 1 at a time. And while you can technically score 2, 3, or 4 at once in baseball, scoring plays of 1 are substantially more common. Much easier to tie on aggregate
Ties ruin the standings when they did not count. That was before overtime came about in 1974. Even games today cannot be determined when overtime happens sometimes. Overtime rules are confusing enough and if it is still tied at the end, no winner and no loser. Only in our beloved NFL. There was no 2 point conversion from 1970-1993. The goalposts used to be on the goal line.
Don't know if they still have this quirky tiebreaker or not but in 2004 the Saints, Rams and Vikings all finished 8-8 with two wild card spots available. The Vikings beat the Saints that year so they get one, I understand that. But for the last spot they gave it to the Rams despite the fact that the Saints had beaten the Rams citing a better conference record. The Rams were 7-5 in the NFC and the Saints and Vikings both finished 6-6. It seems to me that head to head should always prevail, a team you beat is going to the playoffs and you're going home? Huh? That doesn't seem fair at all but that is what happened.
I just want to say that I hate divisions and conferences altogether. The best teams in the league should make the playoffs. Not the best teams from a this region or that region.
I actually like this rule and liked that the Big Ten used it well into the 1990's. Sure, you should have multiple current-year on-field metrics first, like head-to-head, division record, conference record, etc. But if you get through those and it's still tied, why not? It's infinitely better than a coin flip.
The only thing I'd change would have pertained to the new expansion teams. If we're in 1969 and the New Orleans Saints are tied for the division, their tiebreaker number shouldn't be 2 (going back to when the Saints joined the league in 1967). No, it should be 49, going back to the founding of the league.
I also disagree with the tanking idea. Next year is never guaranteed. You could have even more injuries the next year. You have an opportunity to get into the playoffs, you take it. As long as it's not the first tiebreaker you have plenty of opportunities still under your control.
As far as tanking, that is why the NFL should go to the same kind of draft lottery the NBA and NHL have. They could have it in prime time rotating between the broadcast partners during Super Bowl week and it would garner MASSIVE ratings.
This is very similar to what happened in the Premier League back in 2012 to decide the final Champions League place of which the Premier League had four of them. The first three places were claimed by Man City (who won the title), Man United (who finished 2nd) & Arsenal (who finished 3rd). However for that final spot there was controversy about who should have it. In any normal situation Tottenham should have been the team to get in because they finished 4th . However because Chelsea won that season's Champions League & therefore automatically qualified for the following season's Champions League as defending champions even though they finished 6th & lost both meetings with Tottenham that season. Tottenham even though they finished 4th were instead given a Europa League place. I should point out that this was at a time in which only 4 English clubs could qualify for the Champions League & we will likely never see again. Nowadays the Premier League can get up to 5 or even 6 places in the Champions League if they are ranked in the top 3 in UEFA's coefficient of domestic leagues especially with the new Champions League format that is going to be introduced next season.
Nice
12:13 I assume that's the rule then, since to me it would make more sense for the Saints to have the advantage as they never did make it vs. anyone else. Though it probably was never thought of since expansion teams were terrible back then.
That was my thought. The Saints' number shouldn't be three; it should be infinity. As in, you could go back infinitely many years and not find a playoff appearance for them.
So are you saying that 60s NFL tiebreaker rules is like The Playoffs rules in NASCAR of now?
Wait you said that there were no ties atop any division from 1967-1969, but the Rams and Colts tied at 11-1-2 in 1967.
I know this doesn’t get affected by the rule since the Rams had better points differential in head to head matchup.
Green Bay and Baltimore in the east? They were in the western conference in 1965..
Yep you're right. Had it written down as the West in my script, misspoke, and couldn't catch it. My bad on that
BTW, nice Trevor Lawrence jersey..
@@matthewdaley746 the NFL still abandons geography class; Dallas in the NFC East, Miami far away from the rest of the AFC East, the AFC South and AFC West being spread out, up until 2015 St. Louis in the NFC West.
@@anthonyrivera4735 The NFL made some choices based on maintaining existing rivalries rather than geographic. That explains the Cowboys being in the NFC East or the Falcons and Saints being in the NFC West before 2002
@@msarzo Dallas wanted to be in the East because Tex Schramm knew that most of the major media outlets were in the East, plus you had the connection Tom Landry had with the Giants (former DB and then defensive coordinator) prior to coming to Dallas in 1960.
When did head-to-head aggregate stop being a possible tiebreaker? At least the NFL didn't go full soccer mode and make road points scored the next tiebreaker.
The depressed ginger just made a video about this
18:11 - 18:39 Even if this is a short... I need to know WHY this was by design since it makes no sense. At least the 1968 Capitol is the modern NFC East...
All these NFL playoffs scenarios as crazy and as dumb as they may be in my opinion doesn't even compare to what Bowie Kuhn Did to Major League Baseball during the strike shorten 1981 season And his idiotic playoff scenario! Maybe you could do a Story on that on your baseball channel?
The helmets are on the same row as division foes in 1969
You're halfway there. The order of the helmets on each row matters too
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 I'm thinking division standings in 1967 since New Orleans didn't have their first winning season until 1987
Nope. New Orleans was last in 1967
Left to right by order of most recent to longest drought as division/conference winner
Bingo
1969 divisional standings?
I mean, I don't hate the tiebreaker....
Woke stupidity even back then. “Oh gee, let’s let everyone win even though their record is crap. Penalize the good team. Don’t hurt the other team’s feelings. Forget about actually working hard and earning success.”
1969 NFL Standings
Nope
NFL standings in 1969.
B k
NFL TEAMS FROM THE LATE 1960s AND THE EARLY 1970s CAN LEARN SOMETHING FROM THE LATE 1980s AND EARLY 1990s
Er I'm sorry, what, so to get this right, the team that hadn't won division for years, coukd win the division,
I like your videos, but please don’t refer to them as unscripted, because they most certainly are.
These videos are not unscripted (there’s no way). The videos on JG9 News, the channel I launched where I just talk about what’s happening in the NFL and get on camera, are
Although, fun fact- any part in any of my vids where I’m on camera is unscripted, just because if I was reading off of a script, because of the way the glare hits the helmet case from the screen, you’d be able to tell
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Wrong. The Houston Texans are winning Insha’Allah. Also, cry about it. It’s worse for the Indianapolis Colts and Houston Texans. The Jacksonville Jaguars as good as AEW. No wonder everyone is leaving both of them now.
I wasn’t making any predictions about the games on Saturday. The Texans/Colts thing and the Jaguars/Titans thing was a pure hypothetical to set the scene
This is certainly one of the comments of all time