As someone on the moderate left, it infuriates me that they still don't see the damage, Identity or woke politics has done. Their inability to acknowledged let alone deal with the blatant progressive illiberalism and dogmatism has only emboldened those with extreme positions. Whilst directly undermining the very real need to reduce inequality and deal with climate change.
Clinton said Bernie wasn't as far left as she was because "punishing banks doesn't cure racism". It was all a shiny object strategy from the beginning...
Kisin - like many journalists, politicians and academics in the West - does not take into account the descriptive reality for an increasingly larger proportion of people in the world, namely the fact that the US carries out covert operations with often catastrophic consequences. During the Cold War alone, the US carried out 70 regime changes. The majority of them were about overthrowing left-wing, democratic, forces and installing authoritarian regimes. Because it fits better with neoliberal/capitalist ideology, as Varoufakis explained. I completely agree with Varoufakis. This is also the reason, I believe, that large parts of the world's population are quite tired of the US-led rules-based order.
@@lomotil3370 About what? His point on meritocracy fails, Yanis proved him wrong with a simple example from the classroom. Are you referring to his point on race and immigrants? This is a stupid point as well, and anyone educated in political history knows that too.
I don't understand how Yanis can be so enamored with the Indian society with their iconic caste system or the Arab society which by and large still hasn't figured out women's rights.
Except the West didn't "figure it out" they were rights fought for by the oppressed not given buy the ruling class. The conditions in those societies are obviously different and not a monolith like your suggestion of "Arab society". The West has yet to demonstrate it's "superiority" in any way other than militarism. Is it a wonder they don't adopt our culture with all the damage the West has done?
Is there a discussion to be had comparing multinational and multipolar? I would like to consider the UN getting rid of the Security Council, and instead creating a Legal Council, which looks at conflicts and potential conflicts from the perspective of international law, and presents this to the General Assembly.
Greed and self obsession are the predominant goals of the west. As a baby boomer I lived through this development and predictably I find it obscene. Two words which never enter the discussion are decency and humility. On the contrary we are now all exhorted to worship at the altar of Elon Musk a cultural shift which I’m convinced would have emerged with or without Musk’s involvement in Twitter.
This is an absurd take. The west have liberated more people from opression than it has ever opressed. More people are out of poverty because of ideas from the west. There is a direct causal relationship between the freedom and wealth enjoyed by the citizens of any country and whether they adhere to western culture.
Konstantin is stuck on race because that's his sensational schtick. Varoufakis has a very different idea of western racial history, but his main point is that the problem is the financial system.
When Konstantin Kisin was preaching about the superiority of the West in terms of political systems and human rights, Profs. Miller-Idriss and Varoufakis should’ve said “Right, now let’s talk about the 19th-20th Century eugenics programs in the United States, Germany, and certain Scandinavian countries. Let’s talk about European Settler Colonialism and Catholic/Christian missionizing projects, which led to dispossession of the lands of millions of people, enslavement, forced conversions, rapes, deaths, and the Stolen Generations of aboriginal and mixed-race children in Australia, the U.S., Canada, and other lands.” Yeh, let’s talk about those superior beliefs and practices.
You are missing the point. Kisin never said the West hasn't done atrocities in the past (which all cultures on Earth have done and are doing so as we speak), he simply said that right now, in the present, and by comparison to other places, the West is the best place to live.
@@mariaseras8661 No, I didn't miss that point. He said it was a comparative, relative, conclusion that he came to. I get it, but he is still being ethnocentric and ignored in his statements how national and ethnic ideologies change through time and place. For example, while the white Europeans were to benefit from the Enlightenment, Indigenous Peoples around the world did not; their cultures and beliefs were considered inferior and ripe for genocide and ethnocide. If you only want to consider the present day, and ignore history, then you are not going to understand how we got to where the world is today. The American Empire is strong, and is engaged in covert operations in numerous locations and suppressing the rights of Indigenous Peoples. Kisin is not a Native American living in Georgia or Oklahoma or an Indigenous Australian where human rights abuses abound from the white colonialists living on their lands to this day. He's living the high life. Truth matters.
i would like to also remind that people also often underestimate the effect of organized crime on the economy, not just in the drugs trade ruclips.net/video/Cj_9Ix_6pK8/видео.html which requires international coordination and supports regulatory capture, which means the enemies of the west, are not always states. and thus cannot be solved via the national security state of any unitary state.
A tour de force by Yanis Varoufakis. It’s refreshing to see him systematically and credibly dismantle Konstantin's usual talking points and expose his attempts at revisionist history.
he did no such thing. Being morally indignated on behalf of the loosers of the past is nothing but pandering to the emotional side of humanity. That brings us nowhere.
@@thomasseptimiuss happening not in the past, but now today. The Majority of human around the world are been subjugated, multiple nations are experiencing g-dide, which is very profitable on long- term. and there is this habit that the West can't shake, as if their survival depends on g- side to survive. This is common knowledge of the rest of the world. The time of change has come , will the west stand it's ground or evolve.
This first speaker is literally the avatar of the Western elite. She gives literally NO self-criticism to how they and the progressive left (often the same thing) have led to this point.
@larryparis925 your own dismissal of the monotheistic beliefs shows the intolerance of humanism and secularism. It's just plain conceited to dismiss Christianity
I had to look the cat up, it reminded me of "Fons Elders" and then this debate happened. I must say I am very impressed that Yanis Varoufakis took responsibility for what the west has done. Even though like some of us he didn't have to grow up feeling responsible for the Vietnam war or murder of Oscar Romero.
Miller-Idriss was useless and brought nothing. This should just have been Kisin and Yanis battling it out. Kisin is obviously correct but at least Yanis was about to create a somehow personal take on things.
Kisin? A youtuber and writer. In my opinion he brought even less than Cynthia. He doesnt have enough knowledge to qualify to debate here. You could see the frustrations in Varoufakis having to endure that.
@@sakariaskoivisto1471 Disagree. The debate was about culture he has a very good take on culture even though I don't agree with him on everything. Yanis is just fundamentally wrong in everything he claims and I have yet to hear any actual coherent takes from Cynthia. She was an NPC i could hear her opinions by listening to any TDS infected on the left.
@@thomasseptimius He does not have a good take on culture, and the reason for that is that he simply lacks historical knowledge. He knows where we are, but not how we came here. His ideas are: "west is better than the rest because of technological advantage and therefore we deserve hegemony". Basically, because the situation being as it is justifies it. He infers from what is to what should be. My position, and many others, is that we should stop ruining the economie of other countries and instead allow them the human right of prosperity. But whenever there is a democratic attempt somewhere, The US makes sure to prevent it. Some of his points are valid, free speech, etc. Anyone could state those. You really must be an expert to say that Yanis is fundamentally wrong. To make a bold statement like that, atleast provide some substance to your claim.
As someone on the moderate left, it infuriates me that they still don't see the damage, Identity or woke politics has done. Their inability to acknowledged let alone deal with the blatant progressive illiberalism and dogmatism has only emboldened those with extreme positions. Whilst directly undermining the very real need to reduce inequality and deal with climate change.
Agree. Varoufakis makes a point about it in his recent book on technofeudalism though.
Clinton said Bernie wasn't as far left as she was because "punishing banks doesn't cure racism". It was all a shiny object strategy from the beginning...
This is proof of the fact that the identity and woke nonsense has replaced class struggle, sending voters in the arms of the right.@@carjaune6793
Because woke politics don't exist it is a fantasy term the right has invented to be right with no apologies.
Yes the liberal left are obsessed with identity politics but not any left with class based politics
Kisin - like many journalists, politicians and academics in the West - does not take into account the descriptive reality for an increasingly larger proportion of people in the world, namely the fact that the US carries out covert operations with often catastrophic consequences. During the Cold War alone, the US carried out 70 regime changes. The majority of them were about overthrowing left-wing, democratic, forces and installing authoritarian regimes. Because it fits better with neoliberal/capitalist ideology, as Varoufakis explained. I completely agree with Varoufakis. This is also the reason, I believe, that large parts of the world's population are quite tired of the US-led rules-based order.
But..but.. Kisin says the West is better and that if they dont do it someone else will, and the West has superior values.
@@sakariaskoivisto1471 Kisin is correct.
@@lomotil3370 About what? His point on meritocracy fails, Yanis proved him wrong with a simple example from the classroom.
Are you referring to his point on race and immigrants? This is a stupid point as well, and anyone educated in political history knows that too.
Let's play "Who can cram the most words into Konstantin's mouth", shall we?
"Gish gallop"
I don't understand how Yanis can be so enamored with the Indian society with their iconic caste system or the Arab society which by and large still hasn't figured out women's rights.
There are some blindspots there for sure.
I dont read him as enamoured of these cultures though.
Except the West didn't "figure it out" they were rights fought for by the oppressed not given buy the ruling class. The conditions in those societies are obviously different and not a monolith like your suggestion of "Arab society". The West has yet to demonstrate it's "superiority" in any way other than militarism. Is it a wonder they don't adopt our culture with all the damage the West has done?
Yuo
He's a flog, easy.
One of many such debates where the title does not get enough time, specifically.
I salute Yanis Varoufakis. He has a talent to point out painful subject that most intellectuals avoid. Amazing human 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Is there a discussion to be had comparing multinational and multipolar?
I would like to consider the UN getting rid of the Security Council, and instead creating a Legal Council, which looks at conflicts and potential conflicts from the perspective of international law, and presents this to the General Assembly.
First speaker: So much activism cloaked in anguish over other activists, both of which are reactionary and unanalytical.
Typical woman huh lol
Браво, Константин!
Greed and self obsession are the predominant goals of the west. As a baby boomer I lived through this development and predictably I find it obscene. Two words which never enter the discussion are decency and humility. On the contrary we are now all exhorted to worship at the altar of Elon Musk a cultural shift which I’m convinced would have emerged with or without Musk’s involvement in Twitter.
This must be primarily directed to the US. It hits home, but only just slightly living in Norway.
This is an absurd take. The west have liberated more people from opression than it has ever opressed. More people are out of poverty because of ideas from the west. There is a direct causal relationship between the freedom and wealth enjoyed by the citizens of any country and whether they adhere to western culture.
Now watch Chomsky debate Foucault and cry.
Trump has openly said he's not messing with abortion rights.....that is up to congress, not the executive branch.
Varoufakis sounds so radical and so arrogant. Cultures that she represents surely will decline
Konstantin is stuck on race because that's his sensational schtick. Varoufakis has a very different idea of western racial history, but his main point is that the problem is the financial system.
Different idea of western racial history, compared to whom?
When Konstantin Kisin was preaching about the superiority of the West in terms of political systems and human rights, Profs. Miller-Idriss and Varoufakis should’ve said “Right, now let’s talk about the 19th-20th Century eugenics programs in the United States, Germany, and certain Scandinavian countries. Let’s talk about European Settler Colonialism and Catholic/Christian missionizing projects, which led to dispossession of the lands of millions of people, enslavement, forced conversions, rapes, deaths, and the Stolen Generations of aboriginal and mixed-race children in Australia, the U.S., Canada, and other lands.” Yeh, let’s talk about those superior beliefs and practices.
You are missing the point. Kisin never said the West hasn't done atrocities in the past (which all cultures on Earth have done and are doing so as we speak), he simply said that right now, in the present, and by comparison to other places, the West is the best place to live.
So what, how are any of those things remotely relevant.
Definitely
@@mariaseras8661 No, I didn't miss that point. He said it was a comparative, relative, conclusion that he came to. I get it, but he is still being ethnocentric and ignored in his statements how national and ethnic ideologies change through time and place. For example, while the white Europeans were to benefit from the Enlightenment, Indigenous Peoples around the world did not; their cultures and beliefs were considered inferior and ripe for genocide and ethnocide. If you only want to consider the present day, and ignore history, then you are not going to understand how we got to where the world is today. The American Empire is strong, and is engaged in covert operations in numerous locations and suppressing the rights of Indigenous Peoples. Kisin is not a Native American living in Georgia or Oklahoma or an Indigenous Australian where human rights abuses abound from the white colonialists living on their lands to this day. He's living the high life. Truth matters.
@@-tom-8720 You're kidding.
i would like to also remind that people also often underestimate the effect of organized crime on the economy, not just in the drugs trade ruclips.net/video/Cj_9Ix_6pK8/видео.html which requires international coordination and supports regulatory capture, which means the enemies of the west, are not always states. and thus cannot be solved via the national security state of any unitary state.
A tour de force by Yanis Varoufakis. It’s refreshing to see him systematically and credibly dismantle Konstantin's usual talking points and expose his attempts at revisionist history.
he did no such thing. Being morally indignated on behalf of the loosers of the past is nothing but pandering to the emotional side of humanity. That brings us nowhere.
@@thomasseptimiuss happening not in the past, but now today. The Majority of human around the world are been subjugated, multiple nations are experiencing g-dide, which is very profitable on long- term. and there is this habit that the West can't shake, as if their survival depends on g- side to survive. This is common knowledge of the rest of the world. The time of change has come , will the west stand it's ground or evolve.
This first speaker is literally the avatar of the Western elite. She gives literally NO self-criticism to how they and the progressive left (often the same thing) have led to this point.
Christianity and faith are vital elements of west. Ignoring that is not a good start of discussion
Secularism and Humanism are important. The monotheistic belief systems are based on intolerance, and have nothing but mythology to offer.
@larryparis925 your own dismissal of the monotheistic beliefs shows the intolerance of humanism and secularism. It's just plain conceited to dismiss Christianity
Sorry, I meant Cynthia Miller-Idriss, not the Greek gentleman
I had to look the cat up, it reminded me of "Fons Elders" and then this debate happened. I must say I am very impressed that Yanis Varoufakis took responsibility for what the west has done. Even though like some of us he didn't have to grow up feeling responsible for the Vietnam war or murder of Oscar Romero.
The younger generation doesn't have to feel responsible for anything that happened in the past
@@-tom-8720 lol
Gaza is elimitated, does Hamas havre arteillery, tanks, airforce, navy, .. wft is Israel fighting with missiles, airforce, tanks?????
summon the meteors
Meritocracy creates credentialist condescension - Michael Sandel
Yes, what is it that one is proud of, their genetic and environmental heritage that one worked so hard for?
Konstantin is a comedian who likes to gab. He does not have the intellectual gravity to discuss thos topic unless it's just a farce.
Yeah he felt a bit lightweight for this discussion. I am close to put Cynthia in the same boat.
Intellectual gravity? What on earth is that meant to mean? Is it just the lack of credentials
I guess Mr. V is a big talker, did he manage to save his country from financial collapse though? Makes it kinda hard to take him seriously.
Miller-Idriss was useless and brought nothing. This should just have been Kisin and Yanis battling it out. Kisin is obviously correct but at least Yanis was about to create a somehow personal take on things.
Kisin? A youtuber and writer. In my opinion he brought even less than Cynthia. He doesnt have enough knowledge to qualify to debate here. You could see the frustrations in Varoufakis having to endure that.
Kisin a loser RUclipsr riding tHeLeFtHAsgONeToOFaR grift for all it's worth, until it comes on his face
Kisin is a child. Very dangerous child with big platform poisoning discourse. He should stick to interviewing.
@@sakariaskoivisto1471 Disagree. The debate was about culture he has a very good take on culture even though I don't agree with him on everything. Yanis is just fundamentally wrong in everything he claims and I have yet to hear any actual coherent takes from Cynthia. She was an NPC i could hear her opinions by listening to any TDS infected on the left.
@@thomasseptimius He does not have a good take on culture, and the reason for that is that he simply lacks historical knowledge. He knows where we are, but not how we came here. His ideas are: "west is better than the rest because of technological advantage and therefore we deserve hegemony". Basically, because the situation being as it is justifies it. He infers from what is to what should be. My position, and many others, is that we should stop ruining the economie of other countries and instead allow them the human right of prosperity. But whenever there is a democratic attempt somewhere, The US makes sure to prevent it.
Some of his points are valid, free speech, etc. Anyone could state those.
You really must be an expert to say that Yanis is fundamentally wrong. To make a bold statement like that, atleast provide some substance to your claim.
Sorry, globalist prestige rhetoric is not knowledge. It's virtue-signaling.
Who are the globalist on this panel?
Kisin tries tries to make questionable opinions into major insights and observations which usually fail in part or mostly do.
Kisin is right, of course.
Kisin demolished the academics. How embarrassing for them.
He did? Can you elaborate?
A pig just flow over my window!