Thanks for letting some lesser known people who worked on "The Shining" be heard. I also worked with the great master in "Eyes Wide Shut", and I only have good things to say about him. Unfortunately my scene ended up on the cutting room floor.
Hi RA recording, I did have a lot of time with Stanley. He was very complimentary about my acting and was recalled for an audition with Leon Vitali. In the scene I was examined by Tom Cruise Doctor but you can also see me in the party scene at the beginning. I actually have a lot of stories about that shoot. If you want to I can send you screenshots and tell them to you.
Wow! Indeed a small but such an iconic part in what just might be one of the best and most intriguing movies ever made. Thank you for this video. It is sad that, apparently, not too many people have seen it.
When I saw it as a kid, around the age of 11 or 12, my innocent mind thought that the bear suit guy was EATING the older guy’s stomach (it is a horror movie after all). But in my later years, I realized it was a sex act.
I liked the down-to-earth attitude of Mr. Town and him wishing Duval recovery from Kubrick's behaviour towards her. This upload as a whole is very good, starting from the beginning when the actual drive to Mr. Town's house reminds us of the famous beginning of The Shining. Thanks for uploading.
6:05 the actor in the bear costume has been completely unknown for years, and this guy just revealed who it is: Eddie O'Dea. I found what may be him on IMDB, and a 1977 movie called Fiona is his only credited movie.
They should have been In the ending credits. The guy who played the ghostly injured guest that says “Great Party, isn’t it?” Is in the credits and his screen time is equally just a few seconds. If there was one person whose identity in the film I wanted to know it was the bear suit man
Thanks for doing this and thus preserving a piece of movie history forever. Amazing!! Is there any full acting resume available for Mr. Towns? He isn’t even listed on IMDb and would love to know what else he’s done!
Hi! Thank you for watching and for your comment :) There is some more information in the description about the work he has done, but he was never credited. That's why there isn't an IMDB page. We have a Facebook page with more info about Brian and future work.
My character analysis of the Manager/The Caretaker/The Hotel creature, the sentiment demonic entity of the Overlook Hotel, which I theorize was Horace Derwent's poltergeist created by Derwent's evil spirit energy, personality traits as a once living human, inner rage, hatred and malice. Combined with the supernatural energy from the mob killings Derwent allowed to happen under his ownership as well as the other murders, suicides and other deaths. The Manager demon was molded by Derwent's evil spirit energy and all other evil supernatural energy in the Overlook Hotel. It merged as one with the building itself. The Hotel commanded the imprisoned human ghosts, demons and poltergeists of the Overlook Hotel. It used Derwent's human ghost as both a front manifestation and its lieutenant. The miniseries hinted this. Also in the miniseries possessed Jack began resembling a zombified Derwent in the final possession stage. Even the voice, mocking real Jack's apologies to Danny when Jack hugged his son goodbye and redeemed himself before being possessed again, etc. The Hotel needed Danny's power to break free and spread its power far beyond the Overlook, as well as for the spirits there to make themselves fully animated and real to anyone, not just clairvoyants. The Manager was very greedy, over ambitious, like its human spirit creator/originator, but also foolish and arrogant as shown at the end of the book. The Manager dumped the boiler halfway, showboats in celebration and the boiler exploded anyway. Years later Derwent's human ghost pursued Danny to still claim Danny's shine but Danny locked himself and other spirits away in a mental lockbox till the end. The Manager used Jack as its pawn. The ghosts that Danny encountered, some of which helped possess his dad later such as Roger the dogman, Derwent's former lover aside from his wife, Derwent himself being the dogman in the miniseries, Mrs. Massey, the undead playground kid, were ghosts but also manifestations of the Hotel. In the end the Manager/Hotel creature lost because of its own arrogance. Smashing Jack's face with the Roque mallet in the novel was to destroy the physical illusion that it ever was Jack after the real Jack, having sobered up and regained his sanity briefly to fight back, redeemed himself by hugging Danny goodbye, apologizing for attacking Danny and his mother and telling Danny he loved him and to run away. After that, only the Hotel-Derwent "medicine monster " was left in Jack's body alongside its imprisoned human spirits. I take it after the Hotel failed to also possess Hallorann in the shed and afterwards the shed burned with the rest of the Overlook Hotel's building as Danny and Wendy escape with Hallorann, the Management is beaten and most likely merged back into one with Derwent's human ghost until Dr. Sleep.
That was so nice to see two people treating each other kindly and with mutual respect. But I wish you had asked him more about what Stanley said, what the script said. Were they serious minded? Was it all in fun?
Brian is sort of retired now! But there is 1 new project coming up, more details later this year! :) In the description I have mentioned some work he did in the past. Thanks for watching!
Interesting. Most two mysterious, outlandish roles in the film. RIp to the actor of Horace Derwent himself in Kubrick's classic adaption, which I believed to be a younger middle aged Derwent engaged in relations with Roger the dog/bearman the night of the Grand fourth of July costume ball Derwent hosted promising Roger he'd sleep with him again if Roger dressed as a dog in the book but a bear in the brief film cameo while the Injured Guest was an elderly apparition of Derwent's spirit later in life presumably when Derwent died far away from the grounds of the Overlook Hotel, most likely killed by some of his many mafioso associates he was connected to for unknown reasons.
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Amazing theories! I was wondering, though, if the dad looked like Jack Nicholson to us, but not to the family, suggesting he is possessed by the guy in the photograph. I doubt, if reincarnation were true, hypothetically, which I don’t, would the new body look like the previous one? Maybe the Nicholson guy in the photograph was the caretaker. Was Halloran there in the 20s? How old was Scatman in this movie? Did he have the ghosts or just one locked up for a long time in his mind, ans he teaches Danny in Dr. Sleep, and some psychic force sprung the mindtrap? The Danny actor in King’s “Dr. Sleep” looks a lot like Jack with his axe when he goes after the girl. He could not have been reincarnated, though, if I had believed in that. It is interesting King’s “Dr.Sleep” did not reflect more his original “The Shining” than Kubrik’s, despite disliking Kubrik’s version. Maybe he knew the movie would need to borrow more from the one people loved the most. How is his book version of “Dr. Sleep”-much different?
Considering that the real guy in the original photo looked like a vampire, that would have been cool if we had seen the photo once, earlier in the movie, with the original face. And then the second time with Jack's face. Meaning that instead of turning Jack into a vampire, somehow the vampire had taken over Jack's body. Just another crazy twist.
The Injured Guest was an elder Horace Derwent in the late middle aged years of his life. The man with Roger was a younger middle aged apparation of Derwent.
@@my3rs307 We have looked into that, but we never found anything when it comes to Eddie O'Dea! We don't know where he is and if he is still around. He should be a couple of years younger than Brian..
Possibly a mischievous trick by Kubrick, the costume could symbolize not necessarily something homo but a fierce femininity. In the Happy series (2017, episode 3) they try to correct it, hehehe
What kind of drugs was that “Happy” director on! LOL. I couldn’t believe that was the actor (Meloni) who played the really serious SVU character (for a good reason, of course). I cracked up when he told his daughter the family seal motto: “Death before intimacy”. I don’t know if I can remember the scene you recall. Does an alien come out of his butt or he comes out of its?
Wendy's reaction to seeing Horace Derwent getting 'serviced' by the bent-over 'Bear'-Man is due to her realizing, to her horror, that her vile husband had been sexually abusing Danny in a similar fashion. Danny calls his imaginary friend, 'Tony', "the little boy who lives in my mouth" who can't be seen when he opens his mouth "because he hides" . . . in his stomach. Danny says this to the "Doctor" [Anne Jackson] while resting upon a pillow shaped like a bear, the right eye of which looks just like one of the semicircular floor-dials positioned above the elevators in the Overlook Hotel. There's also a bear-rug that isn't seen in the Colorado Lounge when Jack isn't there -- as when Wendy goes down with the baseball bat to talk with him -- yet reappears after she clobbers him and he falls down the stairs to lie flat on the landing . . . the bear-rug now visible again, Jack's face-down position mimicking the bear-rug. Rob Ager's video about "Danny's Ordeal" brilliantly covers all these details, with the implied subtext involving child sexual abuse that Kubrick could only hint at through imagery parallelisms. One unsettling notion: when Jack tells Lloyd that he's been having a little trouble with "the ol' sperm-bank upstairs -- nothing I can't handle, though," Lloyd responds with: "Women . . . can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em." This leads the audience to assume that Jack was referring to his wife Wendy as "the ol' sperm-bank upstairs" as Lloyd's response implies . . . but what if he was actually referring to Danny? Sickening thought, to be sure. And, just after, of course, he goes on to say, "I never laid a hand on him, goddammit," etc. Yet that earlier scene started as a dissolve from Danny entering Room 237 to Wendy checking the boiler in the basement, where she hears Jack -- asleep at his writing desk having a nightmare -- screaming in unconscious horror . . . and, when she gets to him and he awakens, he tells her he'd been having the worst nightmare he ever had -- he'd dreamed that he killed both her AND Danny, having chopped them up into little bits. Certainly, this admission about this 'dream' he claims to have had at the very least clues her in to the fact that such thoughts of violence towards her AND towards Danny are in Jack's mind. The image of the 'Bear'-Man bent over Horace Derwent performing fellatio certainly doesn't make much sense unless we recall the fact that Danny is in a similar bent-over posture in the bathroom at their Boulder apartment, when he's talking to 'Tony' . . . the little boy who lives in his mouth . . .
Wendy tells the Doctor that they've been in Boulder for about 3 months, and that they came there from Vermont. Danny's imaginary friend ['Tony'] first appeared on the scene before the move from Vermont, about the time when Wendy and Jack put Danny into nursery school, which Danny didn't like too much -- and then Danny was injured by Jack, so they took Danny out of nursery school . . . and Wendy seems to hone in on THAT as the time when Danny first started talking to 'Tony'. In other words, 'Tony' emerged as Danny's imaginary friend in the immediate aftermath of Jack's violence, his abuse of Danny, having dislocated his shoulder, using too much strength to pull him away from the mess of scattered papers -- ". . . just one foot-pound per second per second . . ." 'Tony' doesn't want to go to the hotel, as 'he' says the first time we see Danny, eating a sandwich as a cartoon plays on a TV. 'Tony' is the one who tells Danny things, information about Past, Present, and Future events, usually in a sleep-like trance-state, but Danny can't always remember what he was shown. When Danny asks 'Tony' WHY he doesn't want to go to the hotel, 'Tony' resists telling him; but when Danny insists upon it, 'Tony' shows him the first Vision we (the audience) get to see: the Elevator flooding the scene with BLOOD that engulfs him . . . interspersed with quick images of the Grady girls and an image of Danny lit from his left side as he screams -- a foreshadowing of the moment when Jack murders Hallorann as Danny's hiding in that kitchen-area cabinet with the sliding door. Danny, via his 'shining' connection to Hallorann, FEELS the moment when Hallorann is axed to death, SCREAMING as the moment transpires, even though he's some distance away. As for the implications of Jack having perpetrated SEXUAL abuse of Danny, I recommend you watch the RUclips video Rob Ager did on this subject, titled something like "Danny's Ordeal and the Bear-costumed man." Compare the shot of Danny bending over the bathroom sink as he brushes his teeth while talking to Tony with the later shot Wendy sees of the man in the Bear-costume bending over the lap of the vile aristocrat [referred to as "Horace Derwent" in scripted pages, though his name isn't given in the End Credits]. Those two shots depict one person bending over to the Right (from the camera's perspective), and Rob Ager used that comparison as a jumping-off point to explore the subtextual evidence -- hints, really -- that point to Jack having molested Danny, sexual abuse that probably began shortly after the injury he had drunkenly inflicted on the boy. Check out Rob Ager's many SHINING videos. I don't necessarily agree with EVERYTHING he 'sees' in Kubrick's film(s), but he's a demon for the details and has noticed some very peculiar and particular details that lend themselves to interpretation.
Thanks for letting some lesser known people who worked on "The Shining" be heard. I also worked with the great master in "Eyes Wide Shut", and I only have good things to say about him. Unfortunately my scene ended up on the cutting room floor.
Hi Maria! Did you have much one to one time with Stanley? Any stories you can share? And what did your scene consist of? Thanks!
Hi RA recording,
I did have a lot of time with Stanley. He was very complimentary about my acting and was recalled for an audition with Leon Vitali. In the scene I was examined by Tom Cruise Doctor but you can also see me in the party scene at the beginning. I actually have a lot of stories about that shoot. If you want to I can send you screenshots and tell them to you.
@Cherrypoppin I can share them if you want. Where shall I post them? I don't think it's possible to share pictures here.
@@MariaBergmanVaz that’s cool
@@MariaBergmanVazIs it true that plenty of things that were shot for the orgy/masked ball were cut? This is stuff of legends and you were there, wow!
What a lovely guy. Great interview.
Hard to believe that such a nice chap like Mr. Towns was a part of a movie scene that gave me nightmares as a kid. Thank you for this interview.
Thanks for watching, yes Brian is very kind in real life haha ;)
Wow! Indeed a small but such an iconic part in what just might be one of the best and most intriguing movies ever made. Thank you for this video. It is sad that, apparently, not too many people have seen it.
My father has a connection to The Shining in that he met Scatman Crothers while eating lunch in a Philadelphia restaurant!
He really wasn’t asked how he felt about doing the scene. That surprised me.
What a nice gentleman he is! It’s really nice to hear his thoughts.
One of the scariest scenes in movie history.
Hell yeah I agree! I saw that scene as a kid. But I don’t even know WHY that scene is so scary??
When I saw it as a kid, around the age of 11 or 12, my innocent mind thought that the bear suit guy was EATING the older guy’s stomach (it is a horror movie after all). But in my later years, I realized it was a sex act.
I was a closeted 13 year old, and it scared me because of how hideous that mask was, and the old creepy rich guy receiving.
For me, that was the freakiest scene in the whole movie. When I read the book, the man in the dog suit was always creepy.
It was done horribly in the tv version
@@williampatrick2971 Yeah, it looked like a modern werewolf mask. Didn't fit the period at all.
What a sweet gentleman 😊 very interesting interview.
Thank you! :)
@@TheShining-kh2gc typo error "home location 'ENGELAND'"
A lovely interview and so nice to learn about Mr Towns and his filming of one of my favorite scenes from the film.
I liked the down-to-earth attitude of Mr. Town and him wishing Duval recovery from Kubrick's behaviour towards her. This upload as a whole is very good, starting from the beginning when the actual drive to Mr. Town's house reminds us of the famous beginning of The Shining. Thanks for uploading.
Thank you for watching and I'm glad you enjoyed the interview :)
I have wondered who this lovely gentleman was for years! Thank you.
What a great find! Wonderful to hear from this actor and for him to share his memories.
Thank you for watching! :)
Now we need to find the actor who played The Bear Man, is he alive, i wonder?
6:05 the actor in the bear costume has been completely unknown for years, and this guy just revealed who it is: Eddie O'Dea. I found what may be him on IMDB, and a 1977 movie called Fiona is his only credited movie.
Yes we have looked into that! But we couldn't track him down, if anyone knows anything about Eddie O'Dea, let me know!
Best wishes to Mr. Towns. I enjoyed "meeting" him virtually.
Thank you Bob! :)
what a treasure! How that movie still resonates! Lovely man. I’m “absolutely fascinated”!!!
Thank you for watching, great to see you like the interview! :)
Great interview and upload! Thanks! 😁
So cool!!!!
What an incredible interview!
Thank you for watching!
This is a great interview, would love to see more like this from.different movies. This was man was delightful to heat from.
Thanks for your kind words Anthony! :)
I immediately recognized him.
They should have been In the ending credits. The guy who played the ghostly injured guest that says “Great Party, isn’t it?” Is in the credits and his screen time is equally just a few seconds. If there was one person whose identity in the film I wanted to know it was the bear suit man
The speaking by part would have made the talking ghost actor able to be in the guild, if I remember correctly-at least in Hollywood.
That was fascinating! Greetings from Hollywood CA 🇺🇸
Thank you for watching! :)
Alotta Bears in The Shining & Eyes Wide Shut-More than Grizzly Man,in fact.
Stay classy. This made mi day :)
Wow! For years I wondered who these people were and viola! I'm surprised how he is still alive considered his age during 1979.
Thank you for watching! Brian is 92 years old now and he even did a scene last weekend for a new film to be released in 2023/2024!
@@TheShining-kh2gc How cool! I wonder what he plays this time.
@@chrishickory7907 He is playing a hotel owner (cameo)!
Thanks for doing this and thus preserving a piece of movie history forever. Amazing!!
Is there any full acting resume available for Mr. Towns? He isn’t even listed on IMDb and would love to know what else he’s done!
Hi! Thank you for watching and for your comment :) There is some more information in the description about the work he has done, but he was never credited. That's why there isn't an IMDB page. We have a Facebook page with more info about Brian and future work.
My character analysis of the Manager/The Caretaker/The Hotel creature, the sentiment demonic entity of the Overlook Hotel, which I theorize was Horace Derwent's poltergeist created by Derwent's evil spirit energy, personality traits as a once living human, inner rage, hatred and malice. Combined with the supernatural energy from the mob killings Derwent allowed to happen under his ownership as well as the other murders, suicides and other deaths. The Manager demon was molded by Derwent's evil spirit energy and all other evil supernatural energy in the Overlook Hotel. It merged as one with the building itself. The Hotel commanded the imprisoned human ghosts, demons and poltergeists of the Overlook Hotel. It used Derwent's human ghost as both a front manifestation and its lieutenant. The miniseries hinted this. Also in the miniseries possessed Jack began resembling a zombified Derwent in the final possession stage. Even the voice, mocking real Jack's apologies to Danny when Jack hugged his son goodbye and redeemed himself before being possessed again, etc. The Hotel needed Danny's power to break free and spread its power far beyond the Overlook, as well as for the spirits there to make themselves fully animated and real to anyone, not just clairvoyants. The Manager was very greedy, over ambitious, like its human spirit creator/originator, but also foolish and arrogant as shown at the end of the book. The Manager dumped the boiler halfway, showboats in celebration and the boiler exploded anyway. Years later Derwent's human ghost pursued Danny to still claim Danny's shine but Danny locked himself and other spirits away in a mental lockbox till the end. The Manager used Jack as its pawn. The ghosts that Danny encountered, some of which helped possess his dad later such as Roger the dogman, Derwent's former lover aside from his wife, Derwent himself being the dogman in the miniseries, Mrs. Massey, the undead playground kid, were ghosts but also manifestations of the Hotel. In the end the Manager/Hotel creature lost because of its own arrogance. Smashing Jack's face with the Roque mallet in the novel was to destroy the physical illusion that it ever was Jack after the real Jack, having sobered up and regained his sanity briefly to fight back, redeemed himself by hugging Danny goodbye, apologizing for attacking Danny and his mother and telling Danny he loved him and to run away. After that, only the Hotel-Derwent "medicine monster " was left in Jack's body alongside its imprisoned human spirits. I take it after the Hotel failed to also possess Hallorann in the shed and afterwards the shed burned with the rest of the Overlook Hotel's building as Danny and Wendy escape with Hallorann, the Management is beaten and most likely merged back into one with Derwent's human ghost until Dr. Sleep.
As an aside in the book Horace Derwent is loosely based on Howard Hughes because he's described as having been an aviator and a movie producer.
That was so nice to see two people treating each other kindly and with mutual respect. But I wish you had asked him more about what Stanley said, what the script said. Were they serious minded? Was it all in fun?
Well actually Brian told me that Stanley didn't say a great deal. He just said "I like it" when Brian finished the scene.
Cool dude ❤
Lovely video.. would have loved to know what he did post the movie and what he is doing nowadays
Brian is sort of retired now! But there is 1 new project coming up, more details later this year! :) In the description I have mentioned some work he did in the past. Thanks for watching!
Interesting. Most two mysterious, outlandish roles in the film. RIp to the actor of Horace Derwent himself in Kubrick's classic adaption, which I believed to be a younger middle aged Derwent engaged in relations with Roger the dog/bearman the night of the Grand fourth of July costume ball Derwent hosted promising Roger he'd sleep with him again if Roger dressed as a dog in the book but a bear in the brief film cameo while the Injured Guest was an elderly apparition of Derwent's spirit later in life presumably when Derwent died far away from the grounds of the Overlook Hotel, most likely killed by some of his many mafioso associates he was connected to for unknown reasons.
Everything is correct, except for the last appearance of the man with the glass in his hand, that man was a simple guest, he is not Derwent
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Cool cat
Amazing theories! I was wondering, though, if the dad looked like Jack Nicholson to us, but not to the family, suggesting he is possessed by the guy in the photograph. I doubt, if reincarnation were true, hypothetically, which I don’t, would the new body look like the previous one? Maybe the Nicholson guy in the photograph was the caretaker. Was Halloran there in the 20s? How old was Scatman in this movie? Did he have the ghosts or just one locked up for a long time in his mind, ans he teaches Danny in Dr. Sleep, and some psychic force sprung the mindtrap? The Danny actor in King’s “Dr. Sleep” looks a lot like Jack with his axe when he goes after the girl. He could not have been reincarnated, though, if I had believed in that. It is interesting King’s “Dr.Sleep” did not reflect more his original “The Shining” than Kubrik’s, despite disliking Kubrik’s version. Maybe he knew the movie would need to borrow more from the one people loved the most. How is his book version of “Dr. Sleep”-much different?
Considering that the real guy in the original photo looked like a vampire, that would have been cool if we had seen the photo once, earlier in the movie, with the original face. And then the second time with Jack's face. Meaning that instead of turning Jack into a vampire, somehow the vampire had taken over Jack's body. Just another crazy twist.
In the start of the movie Wendy's was reading a book where it mentioned a bear with it bare arse out.
Have you read this book? What do you think that bear scene means?
What do you mean? She’s reading The Catcher in the Rye, J.D. Salinger’s great work. And it doesn’t mention anything like that.
😇😇😇😇
Grrreat party isn’t it?
The Injured Guest was an elder Horace Derwent in the late middle aged years of his life. The man with Roger was a younger middle aged apparation of Derwent.
Ah, he should've watched the scene he was in , at the screening!!! At the end
We tried! But it wasn't shown unfortunately..
@@TheShining-kh2gc wait, so like they cut it out?
@@my3rs307 No, I think they only showed a part of the film for that particular exposition, it was on repeat if I remember correctly.
@@TheShining-kh2gc ok, look, do you know if Eddie O Dea who played the Bear is still alive? And is there no photo of him st all?
@@my3rs307 We have looked into that, but we never found anything when it comes to Eddie O'Dea! We don't know where he is and if he is still around. He should be a couple of years younger than Brian..
Still funny I had thought The Shining Kubricks weakest film..thin...& now we discover the swirling rabbit hole hidden deep within...wow
You thought The Shining was weaker than Fear and Desire and Killer's Kiss?
Possibly a mischievous trick by Kubrick, the costume could symbolize not necessarily something homo but a fierce femininity. In the Happy series (2017, episode 3) they try to correct it, hehehe
You've got to be kidding.
@@watermelonlalala Defenders of femenine dignity everywhere, so useless cause there are more rapes nowadays
What kind of drugs was that “Happy” director on! LOL. I couldn’t believe that was the actor (Meloni) who played the really serious SVU character (for a good reason, of course). I cracked up when he told his daughter the family seal motto: “Death before intimacy”. I don’t know if I can remember the scene you recall. Does an alien come out of his butt or he comes out of its?
@@fool1shmortal Nothing to do with aliens, it's at the minute 15 of episode 3, When Christmas Was Christmas, do not twist the situation further, wacko
@@edsonnavarrus7379 Somrone said “homo”, but you get in my case?
Wendy's reaction to seeing Horace Derwent getting 'serviced' by the bent-over 'Bear'-Man is due to her realizing, to her horror, that her vile husband had been sexually abusing Danny in a similar fashion. Danny calls his imaginary friend, 'Tony', "the little boy who lives in my mouth" who can't be seen when he opens his mouth "because he hides" . . . in his stomach. Danny says this to the "Doctor" [Anne Jackson] while resting upon a pillow shaped like a bear, the right eye of which looks just like one of the semicircular floor-dials positioned above the elevators in the Overlook Hotel. There's also a bear-rug that isn't seen in the Colorado Lounge when Jack isn't there -- as when Wendy goes down with the baseball bat to talk with him -- yet reappears after she clobbers him and he falls down the stairs to lie flat on the landing . . . the bear-rug now visible again, Jack's face-down position mimicking the bear-rug. Rob Ager's video about "Danny's Ordeal" brilliantly covers all these details, with the implied subtext involving child sexual abuse that Kubrick could only hint at through imagery parallelisms.
One unsettling notion: when Jack tells Lloyd that he's been having a little trouble with "the ol' sperm-bank upstairs -- nothing I can't handle, though," Lloyd responds with: "Women . . . can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em." This leads the audience to assume that Jack was referring to his wife Wendy as "the ol' sperm-bank upstairs" as Lloyd's response implies . . . but what if he was actually referring to Danny? Sickening thought, to be sure. And, just after, of course, he goes on to say, "I never laid a hand on him, goddammit," etc. Yet that earlier scene started as a dissolve from Danny entering Room 237 to Wendy checking the boiler in the basement, where she hears Jack -- asleep at his writing desk having a nightmare -- screaming in unconscious horror . . . and, when she gets to him and he awakens, he tells her he'd been having the worst nightmare he ever had -- he'd dreamed that he killed both her AND Danny, having chopped them up into little bits.
Certainly, this admission about this 'dream' he claims to have had at the very least clues her in to the fact that such thoughts of violence towards her AND towards Danny are in Jack's mind.
The image of the 'Bear'-Man bent over Horace Derwent performing fellatio certainly doesn't make much sense unless we recall the fact that Danny is in a similar bent-over posture in the bathroom at their Boulder apartment, when he's talking to 'Tony' . . . the little boy who lives in his mouth . . .
I have never understood what tony has to do with the alleged abuse of jack
Wendy tells the Doctor that they've been in Boulder for about 3 months, and that they came there from Vermont. Danny's imaginary friend ['Tony'] first appeared on the scene before the move from Vermont, about the time when Wendy and Jack put Danny into nursery school, which Danny didn't like too much -- and then Danny was injured by Jack, so they took Danny out of nursery school . . . and Wendy seems to hone in on THAT as the time when Danny first started talking to 'Tony'.
In other words, 'Tony' emerged as Danny's imaginary friend in the immediate aftermath of Jack's violence, his abuse of Danny, having dislocated his shoulder, using too much strength to pull him away from the mess of scattered papers -- ". . . just one foot-pound per second per second . . ."
'Tony' doesn't want to go to the hotel, as 'he' says the first time we see Danny, eating a sandwich as a cartoon plays on a TV. 'Tony' is the one who tells Danny things, information about Past, Present, and Future events, usually in a sleep-like trance-state, but Danny can't always remember what he was shown. When Danny asks 'Tony' WHY he doesn't want to go to the hotel, 'Tony' resists telling him; but when Danny insists upon it, 'Tony' shows him the first Vision we (the audience) get to see: the Elevator flooding the scene with BLOOD that engulfs him . . . interspersed with quick images of the Grady girls and an image of Danny lit from his left side as he screams -- a foreshadowing of the moment when Jack murders Hallorann as Danny's hiding in that kitchen-area cabinet with the sliding door. Danny, via his 'shining' connection to Hallorann, FEELS the moment when Hallorann is axed to death, SCREAMING as the moment transpires, even though he's some distance away.
As for the implications of Jack having perpetrated SEXUAL abuse of Danny, I recommend you watch the RUclips video Rob Ager did on this subject, titled something like "Danny's Ordeal and the Bear-costumed man." Compare the shot of Danny bending over the bathroom sink as he brushes his teeth while talking to Tony with the later shot Wendy sees of the man in the Bear-costume bending over the lap of the vile aristocrat [referred to as "Horace Derwent" in scripted pages, though his name isn't given in the End Credits]. Those two shots depict one person bending over to the Right (from the camera's perspective), and Rob Ager used that comparison as a jumping-off point to explore the subtextual evidence -- hints, really -- that point to Jack having molested Danny, sexual abuse that probably began shortly after the injury he had drunkenly inflicted on the boy. Check out Rob Ager's many SHINING videos. I don't necessarily agree with EVERYTHING he 'sees' in Kubrick's film(s), but he's a demon for the details and has noticed some very peculiar and particular details that lend themselves to interpretation.
@@patricktilton5377 yes! Bob Iger analysis of both The Shining and 2001 are incredible.
@@swifty1969 I can't find anything on Iger except the Disney Iger. Maybe you mean Ager.
@@sclogse1 yep! meant Ager.