They were locked out because Kareem Abdul jabaar was seeing if Timmy and scraps liked movies with gladiators, and Peter Graves was seeing if he liked grown men naked. Hey atleast she didn't go from suck to blow
I can't think of a worse series of last moments. Sitting as a passenger, plane is descending rapidly and a flight crew member is hacking away at the door with an axe. The minutes of helplessness and terror.
They should offer cyanide caps along with the barf bags for these situations. Imagine the comedy potential of someone biting their capsule seconds before the pilot pulls off an impossibly miraculous recovery.
That co-pilot was such an awful coward. He couldn’t just end his own life privately. He had to make so many people suffer needlessly. What a sadistic bastard.
On board that flight were 16 people from my school. I remember this day. I was in 6th grade, normal school day. After the 3rd period, we were all sent home. At that point, we had no idea why. So we were of course pretty delighted, no more school for the day. Later, we found out why school was cancelled. I watched the news in disbelief. I did not know anyone on that flight. Except my German teacher. She was never gonna come back and teach us again. It was a very hard thing to process, being only 11 years old. I'm thankful for my class, we all talked a lot about the accident and how we felt. Today, we have a steel plate in front of our school. Carved into it are the names of the ones that died in the crash. And for every name, they planted a cherry tree.
I also lived like 30-40 minutes away from Haltern back then, now I moved because of my studies, but my parents still live at the same place. Randomly enough, I was also 11 years old at that time and also went to 6th grade. I remember this was all over the news, and our entire school was having a minutes silence for the victims(I don't remember if all schools in NRW did this, could be and probably was the case). During this minute silence, it was a really strange atmosphere in class. I still have it infront of my eyes. We had math class, and we were sitting at our tables of 4, when everyone got up and it was completely silent for a very long time. Even after this minute, we sat back down and still nobody said a word for like 5 minutes. With us being so young, we didn't really know what to feel or how to act. It just was too much to process back then, and we didn't even know any of the victims or their families. Those poor souls😭 I'm glad you guys had the chance to openly speak about your feelings within your class, that probably helped a lot in terms of processing
Oh no, that's so horrible!! I am so sorry. I knew when it happened and couldn't believe it. I am a German who lives in Ireland, but I know Montabaur and Bremen and have been there. My father came from the Westerwald region. I am shocked that the health officials didn't do more and kept these vital things to themselves. It is horrifying that the co-pilot didn't consider other people, the ones he flew and who contributed to his salary, but selfishly ended his live and theirs too. So so sad.
@candisellis I don't understand why people have so much sympathy for children only, and not adults, and second thing he had psychosomatic disorder which is far more worse and he may have lied due to mental stigma associated from the same society you and I LIVE in! So instead of criticizing try a n d help so such incidents may be prevented in future!
@@dipalirajput6106people have MORE sympathy for children as they are completely vulnerable and innocent in comparison to adults. Some people may be happy bringing down a plane full of adults due to bullying, being treated poorly by others etc, revenge. But children and babies are just pure innocence. Like lambs to slaughter.
@@chantellethompson5759small children didn’t even understand what was going on so they did not experience the same spectrum of emotions😒 they all died instantaneously so the scariest part was the realisation of the imminent death. Absolutely horrible. RIP
@@dipalirajput6106I think they care more about the children because their live just started and they had so much to look forward to , but unfortunately their lives ended before they got to do much
I was in Europe due to an exchange program... a week or so before the incident I was looking for the best way to go back to Germany, Dusseldorf more specifically. Among the options I found this flight, it fitted perfectly in my schedule. I'll never forget this, we were in an hotel room in Amsterdam with my friends and just moments before I press "buy", one of them offered me a better cheaper option on a train that would take a little longer but fitted just as good as the flight. If I would have press buy, I wouldn't miss that plane, I wasn't in a position to lose a flight... and I definently wouldn't be here tipping this. When I arrived to the house of the family that hosted me in Germany I saw what happened. My blood froze... I got chills all over. It wasn't my time.
I can only imagine how eerie it must have felt for you. My father had the exact same scenario happen, except for that he had already purchased a ticket but then decided at the last minute to drive. The flight was PSA flight 182 which went down after a mid-air collision over San Diego killing everyone on board. My mom didn’t know he had driven. She called my stepmom frantic and found out! My dad lived for 7 more years until he died from Brain Cancer at 52.
@@pamelagileno5483 my god... that's a hell of a close call. Really sorry for your loss, still glad that you were able to enjoy each other for 7 more years. Those situations make you think maybe there is some truth about guardian angels. Por tu nombre imagino que hablas español, en ese caso, un saludo grande Pamela! =)
Similar story - i had family members who was ment to attend the "World Trade Center" on september 11, but for some reason and i dont know what reason the trip was changed to september the 10🙏🙄 crazy luck..
What always terrified me about this tragedy is that he just set the autopilot and wait without doing anything else. No actions, no words spoken, just watching the scene happens slowly. Everybody will imagine the mad pilot taking control of the plane and make some crazy manoeuvre before crashing it in a nose dive, but this guy simply set the autopilot and waited. So scary.
@@nintendoolivier600 It wouldn't be hard to turn off a couple of systems that would put the plane into alternate law. Then you'd have full control over it as you would a Boeing.
important to know: Lufthansa wanted to lower the compensation by claiming that the passengers may not have realized what was happening. This was followed by the question: How should the passengers not notice that something is wrong when the captain tries to break down the door and shouts that he should open the door?" Lufthansa responded: "It may be that the curtain was drawn and the passengers would not have noticed the incident." This statement was a huge outrage for us Germans and even worse for the relatives. The family waited for the school class and their children to welcome them, and then the plane didn't land and on the local news they learned that a plane had crashed on that route. Panic broke out at the airport. Relatives collapsed in fear. Lufthansa wanted to save money with a cheap excuse and make us believe that no one can hear a scream through a curtain. Absolutely disgusting.😡
Wait, what does passenger not hear matter? I thought the compensation never change? Why it is matter? It's a weird rule to differentiate compensation based on that
This hits me really hard since my neighbour was on that flight. What's also very sad is that a group of students was on that flight with their teachers to return back home after a school trip. May they all rest in peace.🙏🏽
As sad as this situation was i have to also say the truth they are only resting in peace if they had the Lord Jesus Christ in their life ppl lie to us all the time saying everyone Rest In Peace when they’re dead that’s a lie bro , resting in peace is for those that had Christ in their heart 🙏🏾 God bless u brother may the Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on all those souls lost during that tragedy
@@bowlchamps37 sure bro I’m gona believe some 🤡 like yourself who’s only in this world temporarily who won’t even be here in 100 years time , yea bro sure buddy I believe you 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@bowlchamps37 I’m gona believe a mortal being who can die at anytime who can catch a disease and become a corpse in a matter of seconds yea bro I’m gona believe a mortal being that will die eventually I’m gona believe such person when they tell me there is no God okay buddy 🤡🤡🤡
An old friend of mine called Marina and her 5-months baby were on that plane. I still have a photo of her on my desk and I’ll never forget her, nor forgive that bastard pilot.
The fact that he did the exact same thing on the flight to Barcelona and didnt get flagged is an absolute disgrace. A pilot doesnt make a mistake like that mid flight. Dude should’ve been hauled off immediately.
@@joeycampbell940 No they wouldn't, mistakes like this do not happen on accident. I work in aviation and I don't trust our pilots honestly, people don't take this job seriously
I think the air traffick controllers probably assumed a small mistake or an accident was occurring, and once the path was corrected they went back to the dozens of other flights they have to deal with, and thought nothing more of it.
As someone who has dealt with depression and suicidal thoughts for over 31 years it really pisses me off when those like me take other lives. As much as I suffer, I cannot fathom taking the lives of innocent people with me. The fact that this man used his mental health instability to take others lives makes me very angry. Perhaps some of this is due to the stigma of mental health issues so therefore I believe we must let those who suffer know they are not alone and that it’s okay to ask for help. I pray for the innocent lives lost due to this one man’s faith in himself. 🙏
Fellow person with suicidal ideation here, and I agree with you. Even when I did think about dying (I've been better in the past few years thankfully), I was worried about inconveniencing anyone in any way, be it leaving my debts behind for my relatives or delaying a train taking people to work. The thought of deliberately taking anyone with me, especially a plane full of strangers, is beyond comprehension. That feels like a step beyond depression.
To Alison and Mela, keep up the fight. Hopefully you'll have the peace you need to live out a long and good quality of life. Depression is a real battle. Never forget that someone cares
please understand he did not just have depression, he was a psychopath. it's ridiculous they keep saying he was depressed, like no he was an actual lunatic, no depressed person premeditates such a thing
@@jimmykray9583You are right, and not only that this man had so much he just didn't care. This man didn't care about the passengers, the pilot, his girlfriend, his family and the family of the passengers. He was a selfish coward that thought he had nothing and wanted to take everything from everyone else.
As a former pilot 👩✈️ never ever left the cabin with inexperienced pilot. The risk is too high for just a bathroom break. I did everything before my flight. Phone calls, bathroom breaks etc.
1000% correct. Lubitz answered "hopefully, we'll see" to being told of their approach to dusseldorf......and the captain still went to take a whizz . It is a HIGHLY UNUSUAL exchange, and coupled with his mental history, would have ended Lubitz' career. He was CLEARLY throwing it all away AT THAT MOMENT. The captain should have pissed his pants instead of giving up control to a moody little asshole who said something like that.
I always wondered how a pilot would take control of an aircraft if the other pilot was hellbent on crashing it? Like what if you both were fighting for control?
go diapermode. even then tho, he may just attack you probably should have 3 pilots per flight, even if one of them is new. 1 person would have a tougher time intentionally crashing a plane, and its only 1 more salary per flight.
It's almost always pilots. They have safety measures on top of safety measures for plane malfunctions and such but most of the time it's human error or straight up murderous intent
That part that pisses me of the most is that this accident was 100% preventable. The co pilot was undergoing treatment for depression from his doctor but because of German law, the doctor wasn’t allowed to share his medical records with the airline…..
@@joey1317so then pilots fear to be removed from duty and because of that never seek for help in the first place. So the outcome is the same, but theres a possibility of even more suicides because pilots are afraid to go to doctors. Brilliant idea…
I still remember this day vividly. I remember sitting in my terminal waiting for my flight back home to Germany after finishing my school trip, seeing the news report, and seeing many of my fellow students and friends in absolute shock and horror. The most gutwrenching part was when my mother told me my grandma had called her in panic as she had heard on the radio that a group of german students were present on that flight. Luckily my mum was able to reassure her it wasn't my flight. I can't imagine the emotions she was going through at that point and time and what the victims' families have had to endure. I clicked on this video just to see what future precautions and safety measures had been put in place and I am infuriated to see that they were abandoned so soon.
The rule is still there where Two crew members are required to be in the cockpit at all times wherein it could be 2 pilots or if one wants to use the rest room or stretch a bit , a cabin crew can be seated in the meantime.
Unfortunately, the changes to aircraft cockpit doors after 9/11 was the last obstacle. Instead of working for the pilot, as in the case of a hijacking, it worked against the pilot.
@@donbrashsux But if there was terrorists would wait for one of the pilots to go to the toilet and then overtake him and torture him or passengers until he told the code. There's no solution to this problem. Maybe put a toilet in the cockpit :D
@@mrkipling2201 the closest I can think of, short term at least, would be requiring there to always be at least two people in the cockpit at all times. hardly foolproof, but better than nothing til someone can come up with a better solution/door/etc
This happened right before I had to fly for a business trip and I remember the pilots assuring the cabin that the passengers were in safe hands because they had families they intended to come home to that night. I was really affected by the senselessness of this crash - no plane malfunction, just a sociopath committing murder suicide. Taking out a field trip full of high school students (who'd almost missed the flight), newly weds and so many others.
Well, as I've mentioned to another person, this type of incident is similar to mas shootings where mentally insane people do the same kind of terror to hundreds of people, whether it's taking control of a commercial airlines or two semi-automatic firearms....Terror can happen anywhere, even near homes.
I couldn't imagine just watching the plane slowly descend with all chaos erupting around me, knowing that we were all gonna die. That's almost like watching yourself die slowly without the physical pain... Damn.
My son's dear friend and her mother were on this flight. I have often thought about what they must have gone through in those last moments. It just breaks my heart.
@@ejtappan1802 I'm so sorry that you and your son lost loved ones in this tragedy. Situations and events should never have been allowed to escalate to the point that this happened.
you could do a physical override where it takes one pilot and the lead cabin crew member to override the locks and it automatically bypasses the timed lockout. It would allow access in emergencies like this while making things difficult for hijackers. As someone else mentioned 2 deep crew on the flight deck is also a good solution and honestly probably the best option. If you combined it with that 2 person override it would make it so only one of the two key holders was accessible from the cabin at any given time.
I have literally no sympathy for him, not even an ounce … more hatred… he was selfish, truly evil …. I deal with depression diagnosed now for 5 years and I couldn’t imagine taking people down with me. He was truly an evil person for thinking that was an okay thing to do… depression or not
i remember this, i was 12 at the time of the crash. my aunt, uncle and cousins almost were on that plane. they stayed in spain a day longer but had originally planned to take this plane.
It's all the "red flags" uncovered from the investigation... and WELL in advance of the crash... making people apprehensive. Social stigmas around mental illness is 90% Hollywood with their Psychological Thrillers, and Psycho' Slasher movies, turning a damn difficult science into a "freak of nature" sideshow attraction. It only further stigmatizes the PEOPLE who suffer. The rest of us are stuck with "our own devices" to TRY and find any credible source of "real" information to even make sense of something that CAN make sense, but doesn't seem to in any mindset we'd understand. IT'S FRIGGIN' TERRIFYING!! SO when we encounter something like this... When those "in charge" seemed to have ALL the "signs" available and step "blamelessly" aside to let it happen... Why NOT be apprehensive as hell about flying??? You're a FOOL if you don't wonder how many MORE are still "slipping through cracks" somewhere... How many "sleeper cells" can just show all the right papers??? How many life-long careers hang on some dubious diagnosis, threatening to send a decent person spiraling into depressive psychosis??? How many are "quietly" self-medicating GOD ONLY KNOWS what while there's something terrifying just under the surface of their otherwise sunny disposition??? Look at Robin Williams. How long and stellar (and FUNNY) was his career, before he ended it??? I'll ride my motorcycle, or I don't need to go. Thanks. It may well BE 1000X more dangerous, but if I'm gonna die either way, I might as well ONLY have my damn self to blame for it. ;o)
I was at University in Ireland when this happened. Many international students, frequently taking planes to fly home to mainland Europe. At first, people took it as "tragic accident". During the hours when it turned out this was a deliberate act by the pilot, I still remember the absolute silence on the campus. People walked around staring at their phones (reading the push messages), looking at the screens in disbelief. Hardly anything was said. It was an eery mood on the campus that I'll never forget.
I’ve been dealing with depression for a big part of my life, suicidal thoughts and anxiety. But never, NEVER would I even THINK of causing so many innocent people to die because of me. I HATE the idea of even being a burden to others, nevermind hurting them and killing them… Perhaps he was in a psychotic episode, but the way he hid his mental problems from his superior, knowing damn well it was dangerous for others… it’s not right and just enforced the stigma of suicidal people being selfish…
Thank 👏 you👏, having suicidal thoughts and commuting suicide and commuting a mass murder suicide - very freaking different. He also knew better than to hide all this, the psychological tests are there not to crap on people like him but to prevent this kinda situation . Here he is lying about it and then it lead to this.
I was there for a friend who attempted suicide when we were young. Never in a million years would she have considered hurting anyone else. This pilot’s action was pure sadism.
You are not a mass murderer. The depression thing was an excuse made up by the media because he was white. Other suicide attackers are usually treated differently, especially when they are of middle eastern origin. The German media likes to blame minorities, this is nothing new.
dear...he also had psychosis. just the fact he was 100% sure he is going blind whereas, he is NOT. maybe he heard voices as well? we will never know. and i will never forgive him. the pain, terror, fear and sadness he caused...absolutely disgusting.
The most tragic part you didn't mention is that an entire class of high schoolers from Haltern am See (small city close to D-Dorf) was on the plane returning from a class trip. I live close to the city and it was devastating. A big part of the youth born that year was wiped out.
@@71JediKnight No hence my comment🙄. She pointed out a specific class of high schoolers. So I pointed out many other children had been killed.. I.e even younger than the class in question. ALL TRAGIC. It’s only a strange comment to someone with no comprehension skills.
The fact he took control of the aircraft within a minute and with basically no effort is terrifying. It sounds like anyone with the bare minimum of flight training could have done something similar if they got on a plane.
I still remember that tragedy 😢 Also, pretty much a whole School Class was on Board returning from an exchange program. I found that part the saddest back then.
I remember the part about the school class very well as my son was the same age then. For reasons I cannot remember only a certain number of students went on that exchange programe. I can imagine how disappointed the one's who had to stay behind were only for them to find out they actually were the lucky one's for not being on board. Very tragic experience. All the best to family and friends who lost someone on that plane.
I remember this clearly. It happened a month bevor my own class trip to barcelona. When we heard the news of what happened, of the class and that it was the same airline as the one we were taking, a classmate had a literal meltdown. It was surreal. Could have been us. I took comfort in the idea, that since it happened already, another accident or similar event was unlikely to happen to us so shortly afterward. Nonetheless, it tainted our trip
What a bastard... I can never, ever feel sorry for someone who takes their own life alongside innocent people, even if they are struggling with mental health. It's jaw dropping that he could lie so much, so easily and that the flying agency didn't even considered doing more psychiatric evaluation at least yearly for the safety of the passengers. Truly an avoidable and heartbreaking tragedy.
SSRI medication can do this. It's not the right medication and is doing this to his mind. They are called "intrusive thoughts". You still know right and wrong. The thoughts though are demonic and real. Could happen to anyone and is associated with many mass casualty events. If you're not strong willed/minded you could easily go off the deep end per se. They are legitimate and real scenarios that effect young men predominantly. The medication is handed out at Dr. offices left and right. If you're feeling down and have even seasonal depression its given to you. Can't seem to shake anxiety induced insomnia? Handed to you. Very dangerous tbh and even says so on the label itself. Almost impossible to get off of. Can't quit cold turkey, has to be tapered, monitored by a physician that knows what they're doing. The side effects going on and especially coming off are horrendous. Why nobody has extensively looked into this is beyond me. Pharma is powerful, very powerful. That is likely why.
Maybe if Lufthansa hadn't turned the other cheek when it comes to the health of their pilots and only required them to be physically fit and not give a hoot about their mental state, this could have been avoided altogether since the only reason the copilot didn't disclose he was suffering from mental illness was because he was in fear of losing his job despite he was clearly going off the rails, having visited some 30 ophthalmologists in the months leading up to committing mass murder because he was convinced he was going blind.
I was in the Alps that day and as we were having lunch we quickly realised the reason for the huge amount of helicopter activity by the landing site nearby. It was very sombre. Appalling to later find out it was a murder suicide.
I don’t think the company or the school should be accountable. I think the doctor who lied about his treatment should be held accountable. Their action single handedly killed all those people. Great video.
Yes I tend to agree the doctors could and should have notified his employer. I'm also surprised none of his work colleagues didnt picked up on his behaviour. It's just so tragic, cannot imagine the sheer terror being on their with your family. Knowing what's going to happen.
The problem is German law is very strict and the doctors had a fear of losing their liscense if they communicated his illnes with Germanwings without the consent of Lubitz.
The doctors didn't lie. As the other two already commented, German privacy laws prohibited the doctors from contacting anyone. In addition, they may not even have known where he was employed. It's not something that is automatically disclosed to the doctor. And if the pilot was trying to keep it secret he probably didn't choose doctors affiliated with the company. If you go to a doctor in Germany and he writes you a sick note, it is entirely up to you to give it to your employer and your insurance company. You can just choose to ignore it. And none of my doctors ever knew where I work or what I even do for a living. There is only the bare minumum of private details stored on the insurance cards. Which is a good thing in general. In this case it was of course not. In the aftermath changes to laws were proposed, so doctors would be able and required to report health or mental health problems of pilots to the authorities. But I have to admit, I'm not quite sure those changes were actually approved and went into effect.
It’s gives me absolute shivers all the time I see video’s/reconstruction of this flight. What an absolute coward taking so many innocent people with him…
He should have been grounded a long time before this incident. Wonder how many other pilots may have slipped through the system and are still flying. Highly irresponsible of Lufthansa to allow him to fly.
I just took a flight on JetBlue In the US. (2022) When I noticed a flight attendant used his food cart to block the front bathroom. He stood there on guard, as both pilots used the bathroom and each time the other flight attendant accompanied the remaining pilot in the cockpit. I instantly thought of German wings and figured it was a rule because of it. Crazy that lufthansa later withdrew the new rule. Irresponsible.
I remembered the days afterwards. I was 10 at that time, but I could never understand why this had to happen. I remember the minute of silence in school, which was new for me. During this minute I thought about everything. Why he wanted to die, why nobody could have prevented it. This memory will stuck in my head forever.
Despite my severe depression that has affected me for many years, I would never think to harm ANYONE no matter how I felt. That bastard was too much of a coward to get help, and instead took his own life along with many others. I will never feel pity for someone as cruel as him.
As a person who has also struggled with depression, I completely agree with you. Also I firmly believe that the person in question was a full blown psychopath. So a personality disorder, not neurochemical. It is heavily stigmatising for people with mental struggles to be lumped into a category of utter scum. Hopefully, this psychopath’s act has not increased the stigmas around neurodivergence and neurochemical conditions.
The animated simulation at 06:06-06:09 along with the rest of this story heightens my anxiety to an abnormal level. I flew once and that was about 2 years after this incident occurred. The flight was ok but I was anxious the entire time and I have never been on a plane since. I just always get this foreboding feeling for some reason.
There are tens of thousands of flights that land safely every single day. Your chances of this are one in a million. You’re in more danger walking on a sidewalk or riding a train or driving a car. Grow a pair
@@jordysavage3363It has nothing to do with “growing a pair.” The difference between a plane and a car is you aren’t the one in control of your life on a plane descent. You are solely relying on one person’s ability to get you down safely and if a mistake happens during flight, depending on the timing, you are in much more danger than when you make a mistake on the road being able to see everything in front of you. You’re not 30000 feet above the ground going 400km/h in a car. Car passengers and the other drivers can help you prevent an accident if they notice a speeding car being dangerous. Plane passengers, however, are completely useless at helping the pilot during an emergency and there is nothing you can do if something goes wrong. Only the pilot. They’re trained professionals but that doesn’t remove the fact that if something goes wrong, there is nothing you, as a passenger, can do to save yourself. So fear of plane is completely understandable considering. No need to be condescending towards the guy
@@SilverGeFer Hmm, I would argue that control is an allusion when driving on the road. Essentially when driving, you are at the mercy of your peers. If someone drives head first into your lane, there is literally nothing you can do. Planes have redundancies and each pilot has the same set of controls, and a ATC for guidance. The reality is this is a very rare scenario, literally like 3 or 4 scenarios like this have ever happened in aviation. On the road, this has probably happened thousands of times over. Some person in a car trying to kill himself kills others in the process. But I definitely understand his anxiety, its very unnatural to be in a tin can 30000 ft in the sky, but the same can be said for cars, metal boxes on the ground driving at high rates of speed within sometimes inches of each other. Pick your poison
This particular incident still haunts me 😢 I wonder what would’ve happened if the pilot didn’t have to use the restroom.. would they all still be alive and would the co-pilot just have done this on another flight? It’s so horrible, I can’t imagine how the families deal with such a loss. I’ve seen interviews of some of the families that lost a child on this flight. Truly horrific and just a disgusting selfish and sick act. I hope they all Rest In Peace and didn’t need to suffer any pain.
@New Jack City Yeah, it’s terrible. I’ve had depression all my life, but would never take anyone else down with me. I’m sorry for your patient-suicide experience. Damn, and at 99. 😥🙏
Apparently he had either tried it on an earlier flight or had done a dry run (I can't remember which). So, yes, if the captain hadn't left the cockpit, he probably would have tried the next time he flew. I feel zero sympathy for him. I will let God do that.
That's the most common comment on this accident. The thing is the guy was not a monster but sick. He had serious psychological problems. It's his superiors that made a huge mistake by not checking on who's flying their planes.
@@Tokiodekee No. He never disclosed his psychological diagnosis to the airline, and his doctor never shared it. Not his superiors fault. It's HIS fault.
Yeah, I’ve dealt with serious depression for over a decade and I would never even consider taking anyone out with me. Not even an ounce of me could do anything like this…
I've struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts for over a decade of my life. But not once, even at my lowest and most irrational, did I EVER think of taking someone else's life. I could never force my suffering and personal strife onto another person. If he wished to die, that would be his choice alone. Those passengers and crew did not make the choice to die with him. Suicide is tragic, but I could never condemn a person's individual choice to end their life. But this? This is a mass murder and for that, he loses my sympathies. RIP to all those who suffered because of the actions of this man.
@@aerystargaryenii2565Absolutely gfy for suggesting that unless you are planning mass murder you are not truly depressed. A lot of people know the deepest depths of hell that is depression and suicidal thoughts but it would never occur to them to hurt others - most who struggle fall into this category. You should probably be on some kind of a list based on your comment.
An additional fault was the cockpit door lock system. There was no possibility for the captain, to override the locking from outside (for example with a secret code). I think a similar event had occurred on MH 370. The captain went insane and the co-pilot was locked out or vice-versa.
I usually take *some* comfort knowing that the industry learns from their accidents; but the video says the BEA recommendation of 2 persons on the flight deck at all times was withdrawn ?! If that's true then that is a damn shame.
Horrible Disaster, apparently the pilot failed the people but the doctors failed them way before That. Amazing how they kept everything quiet No matter what happened Lubitz was allowed To continue. I would have sought hospitals for A long stay before I put other people's lives in Danger. I blame the system.
@@koolaidblack7697 very true. And people who suffer from mental illness are still regarded with such negative stereotypes and stigma that they feel ashamed about getting help. Also, in-patient care is honestly terrifying and not always even helpful depending upon the staff.
They really didn't have a chance unless he was seriously experiencing suicidal ideation and actually conveyed it the psychiatrists. Many many people experience depression and recover completely. It would be imminently unfair for a single depressive incident (which was all that was known to the company) to completely destroy a person's career and it would have disastrous consequences. If pilot's thought that seeking help for depression would end their livelihood and be reported to their employer then they would never go to see a doctor. Even suicidal people would not be expected to murder so many people in carrying out their suicide so this was unfortunately an extremely difficulty to foresee tragedy. This video is pretty preachy about violating his privacy with the benefit of hindsight, but if that kind of aggressive action was taken against depressed pilots than for every possible tragedy prevented there would probably be thousands of pilots who would have their whole career destroyed. Even with that kind of reporting or surveillance the benefit would likely be minimal since it is extremely rare for a person to commit an act like this.
@@-Bill. well stated and quite true. I’m on Zoloft and will be for life. I take it every day and do great! I’m not depressed nor suicidal. But without it? I’m not remotely functional. There are no side effects and it impairs me in no way. The stigma attached to mental health and seeking help keep so many people suffering.
I'm german and I still know exactly where I was and what I was doing when the news hit... I just got home from school and was watching TV while making some food and then suddenly a special news broadcast aired. it truly shook everyone here
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You have to be really sick to send so many people to death. I am a privat pilot and when I just have 1 single passenger on board, I fly extra carefully and try to make the passenger feeling safe as much as I can. I also had some dark periodes in my life, but never ever would I even think about to harm anyone because of this. I also dont understand why the Co-Pilot was not removed from the cockpit after changing the altitude to 100ft already in the flight before?!
I didn’t know anybody from that flight. But I was just a bit younger than the students from Germany that came back from their exchange trip at the time. We lived close to their town, in fact only a couple years later me and my classmates flew from the same airport they did on our school exchange. I remember it being such a devastation even in my city that was 30 mins away from their school. It really impacted all of us, thinking every year our school also flies from that airport. I can’t even imagine what it’s like to lose your friends or family in this incident, especially kids simply going on a school exchange and never returning. May all 149 victims rest easy.
Same, Düsseldorf is the closest airport to me. And I've flown from there multiple times. But I can relate a lot, I was only 11 back then and I lived about 40 minutes away from Haltern. Everyone here was so shocked, devastating stuff. In school there was a minute of silence held. I think it was held in all schools inside NRW atleast, not entirely sure tho. But we kids didn't know how to deal with this, and it was a totally strange atmosphere in class. I remember we had math class, and nobody said a word for some time after this minute. Even our teacher stayed completely silent. May all the victims RIP🙏
No empathy to this guy. There are new findings from the blackbox recently and other things: "In a sick twist, the murderer had hidden a sick note declaring him unfit to work on the day of the disaster. And according to the German newspaper Bild, a former girlfriend of Lubitz said he had told her last year: "One day I will do something that will change the whole system, and then all will know my name and remember it." He planned it all along
I hope they have found a solution for this problem. Like when a pilot needs to go to the bathroom a stewardess (flight attendant) has first to enter the cockpit and wait so there are always at least two people at all times.
@@Big_potater it can fit if they make the cockpit bigger. Come on man it's not rocket science to move the cockpit door a bit down the alley after the toilet. Or have another door that separate the toilet next to the cockpit from the passengers. When the pilot wants to use that toilet, the door closes and only the pilot is allowed in. Many ways to solve it. 2024 Mo Fo cannot figure out a toilet for the pilots
So if the pilot on duty is the terrorist, he can lock the doors, which is a failure of the system. This wasn't the first case of a suicidal pilot, it happened with an Egypt Air before. If an affirmed pilot is outside the cockpit, he/she must be able to enter with a signature, finger print or whatever is needed. If just one person is in the cockpit, there will always be a risk of losing concsiousness during pressure issues. Like in space vehicles, it could even be possible to lock or open doors, change altitude etc by ground control. No system is perfect, but it's a matter of priorities, whether to save money or human lives.
Yes, I think ground control could be extremely complicated and lead to a whole bunch of other issues. However, a keycode that only the pilots have (so highjackers can't force it from a flight attendant) that works at all times, no matter the cockpit actions, could be simple to implement and would be very effective at preventing this. Unfortunately, it often takes 2 tragedies for action (see Boeing 737 and many others). The first time everyone says "it's so rare it won't happen again". Even in aviation. After the second crash however, drastic measures will be taken.
Thats the compromise you got to make. As others mentioned, it is possible to enter the Cockpit if the other pilot is unconscious, but imagine the Pilot goes to Toilet and the hijacker forces him to open the door, thats what the lock function from the inside is good for.
Everyday we put our lives into other people's hands all you can hope for is they are mentally stable but unfortunately there's always going to be someone who isn't.
On US airlines, one of us cabin crew blocks access to the flight deck while another enters the flight deck to observe while the pilots take turns leaving This makes sense to me, although most of us aren’t capable of flying the plane, we can guard against entry by observing the returning pilot through the flight deck door. I just assumed this was normal practice worldwide
I was flying Lufthansa a few days after this. I could not stop thinking about the pilot and the mood swings he must have gone through. Acting normal, then confusion, then anger, then extreme anger, then back to being calm and trying to talk nicely to Lubitz, and finally, acceptance. WoW, and the fear the passengers must have felt. Even Alfred Hitchcock could not have imagined something thus scary
What would Lubitz have done, if the captain had not left his chair? Perhaps a different flight would have crashed, the next day, or whenever Lubitz flew again. Guess we'll never know.
There are thousands of competent airline pilots out there that have a history of anxiety and/or depression that go their entire careers without purposefully crashing a plane with passengers on board. I fear that videos like this are just going to increase the stigma and prevent pilots from seeking treatment. And unfortunately there are sociopaths out there that don't even show visible warning signs at all. The rule to have 2 people in the cockpit at all times, which was just given a passing mention here, is the key thing that would have prevented this tragedy.
There's a common saying that everyone who comes from flying regional airlines in the USA suffer from PTSD from the constant threats, fear of schedulers, chief pilots and being written up and losing their shot at joining a major airline.
IMO the biggest problem was that if he "started displaying symptoms again" he would be grounded; the thing that gave him the most amount of anxiety was used to threaten him. Instead of seeking help when his depression returned, he was forced to hide it so he wouldn't be fired. That said, a "normal" suicidal person doesn't drag a plane full of people into their suicide.
My last trip Dublín Madrid, when a pilot went to the bathroom, he told one of the cabin crew to enter the cabin. I could see It and I was still so scared, but the pilot was Happy and smiling... I dont know, I fly but im scared of flying
@@namAehT I’m sure this pilot was more than just suicidal he had to have other issues that caused him to want crash this plane and take other peoples lives along with him.
As a flight attendants this is not true. They implemented that rule right after the crash but stopped it less than a year later because it was not enforceable.
@@GossipGirl770 However if that is proven to be true for some airlines then I can guarantee that now the crew can access the cockpit from the outside even if locked up manually ..
I worked as a flight attendant @Ryanair, way before this tragedy and everytime a pilot leaves the flightdeck, a member of the crew gets in and seats on the jump seat. Anyway, the pilot could somehow knock down that crew member if he/she really wanted to and continue with his/her evil plan ... I guess.. just not so straight forward
My dad’s cousin was on this flight! Her name was Daniela & was one of the two Mexican citizens on that flight. Wish the pilot hadn’t made such a horrendous choice.
As someone who has dealt with severe depression multiple times in my 30+ years on this earth (thankfully not for a while nowadays). I can sympathize with anyone who suffers the same. What I CAN'T wrap my head around is this coward's unbelievable actions. Speaking from experience, depression made me feel like a burden to others, i.e., maybe if I was gone, they would be better without me. Never, in ANY reality would I have ever imagined taking anyone with me. What this bastard did was not the actions of someone suffering from depression, this was the behavior of a sadistic narcissist. May he rot in Hell for eternity.
As with all mass murderers, some are attracted to the infamy it gains them. I'm not moaning at this channel, I enjoy the videos, but this exemplifies the point: we have a full history, photographs and biography of the cowardly killer. No mention of his victims and very little about the Captain who tried desperately to save everyone. While we feed the selfish and cruel ambitions of these monsters with an undeserved place in history, these atrocities will continue.
@@ultra_vires I agree like I had 0 interest in his lame life before the mass murder, I wanted to hear about the main pilot and the therapists who stayed silent... and yes the victims too, all worthy of living more than him
@@ultra_vires Exactly. The infamy/attention that mass murders are given by the Media, are the reason why it happens in the first place. I can guarantee you, if there was genuine psychological studies out there that actually looked into people who do this shit, they would find that the attention that is given is worth it enough. These people see their actions as the last vestige of controll they have over their lives, and see the mass media coverage as a way of telling the world "fuck you". To them, it feels cowardly to die alone. If your dead, you have no obligation. Why not take people with you as a final "fuck you". Its not a problem with guns. Its not a problem with regulation. Its not a problem with any of our instutitions. Its a mental health problem, exacerbated by mass media attention. Back then, if you tried comitting mass murder, people would look at you as pathetic and a loser, and forget about you instantly. Nowadays? You have clowns that idolize the Columbine killers because "they were bullied and fought back" or some moronic bullshit. If we didnt have the media, we owuldnt have these problems.
@@SM-ce1uy same.. I got a little mad when they showed his baby picture; I would've thrown that toddler under a truck if I had the chance, don't show me that sh**
A lot of idiots will probably say this guy was a victim of mental illness. He was no victim, he was a murderer. If he wanted to off himself so bad he could've done it without killing a bunch of innocent people. And as for all the aviation parties involved, they should've never allowed him to fly, and are equally guilty of murdering those people.
@@Celisar1 He was a murderer. In Germany, the media propagated the whole "depressed suicide" story because he was white. No other suicide attacker was treated in the same way by the media, especially not those of middle eastern descent. It is atypical for depressed people to have the urge to kill hundreds of people and destroy millions worth of property. Correlation doesn't equal causation. But that's something the German media likes to do, especially when they can blame minorities.
Unaliving yourself is a terrible thing. I couldn't imagine myself being in the situation where all the things in the world and beautiful scenery can't make me happy anymore. However, if you choose to go, go alone.
Possible correction for the narration, it sounds as if you are using psychosomatic and psychiatric interchangeably throughout the script. While he had both, they're not able to be used that way. Example: Psyc/hosomatic/ illness means an illness that isn't real. The patient is convinced they have an illness that they do not have. In his case, he thought he was going blind which he wasn't. That was the psychosomatic illness; aka the one that isn't real. Psyc/hiatric/ illnesses on the other hand, includes being convinced he's blind (psychosomatic) but mainly having depression, suicidal ideation, etc. Anyway this is very nitpicky and easy to miss or get confused in a script like this but it's an important distinction that the illness he didn't actually have was the blindness, not depression, or else it would mean he's not actually depressed. That would leave the audience with more questions if he were indeed not depressed or suicidal, given his actions.
I was coming down to the comments to mention the same. I also felt some of the verbiage used was intentionally sensational, and somewhat tone-deaf with consideration to people who live with mental illness, especially those as common as having depression. I understand the intent of the video is to provide entertainment as well as information, and while I like to believe that the potential harm caused is unintentional, I still think that people (content creators and those with a platform especially ) have a level of responsibility to make sure they try to mitigate that potential harm as much as possible. Sensationalizing, misusing and not properly defining medical terminoligy in this case, to me at least, is an oversight that I hope is corrected for scripts in the future.
Seriously ? Does it really matter here ? Who the heck cares if he was depressed/suicidal or not. He killed HUNDREDS of innocent lives i'm sure no one gives a shit if he was mentally unstable or not. He's a murderer that's it, a sick bastard.
The speed of the plane 700km/hr What a pain they have all gone through God 😢😢 This is the one of the scariest mass murder by the copilot Bastard kiled almost 144 people onboard 😭😭😭 Innocent people who going to reach thier Destination in 1 and half hour😢😢😢😢
The thing that gets me is when I close my eyes and imagine what it was like being the pilot coming back to the flight cabin and realizing my plane was diving and my copilot locked me out and wasn't answering. I can't even imagine how horrible that chill was that went up and down his spine as his adrenaline dumped so much that he had trouble just standing up from shaking so bad. That's the kind of thing that could give you a heart attack. Maybe some of the people in the plane didn't understand what was going on until the very last seconds. Imagine the businessmen and women who flew that leg many times -- they would know. But everyone knew when the pilot started yelling and hitting the door with an ax. Jesus it is just too much too think about for too long. RIP.
A320 also has a keypad outside to allow crew members an access if it is set to NORM mode in cockpit, however with Germanwings it was set to LOCK mode which disables the keypad access.
@@somehaloguy9372 The problem is, if the cabin is taken over by highjackers, you want a barrier to the cockpit that can't be breached by crew members under threat. Sometimes guarding against one attack scenario excludes an effective guard against another. How can suicide attackers be prevented from boarding a plane with reasonable effort? If you have a sleeper like Lubitz, it's not so easy to take him out. Of course, Lufthansa should have done more, they are known for having issues with employees.
This is a messed up individual. I thought I had been messed up and wanted death but I can honestly say that I would never take innocent people with me if I decided to end it. I would just be alone and do what I had to do. It's sad that he killed other poor innocent people with him when he did that. It's just a bad situation and those poor souls were on the wrong plane at the wrong time with this maniac. I can't imagine what this POS put those unfortunate people through in their last moments.
hey I hope you know you matter and sorry to hear you've been struggling. know that he was different from us and he clearly had 0 empathy or kindness in his soul to do this kind of thing. wish they'd leave depression out of it
@@SM-ce1uy if I was a relative of a victim and his parents were unlucky enough to meet me, they'd wish they hadn't. Siding with a serial killer is the ultimate low point of any human.
Whats so interesting yet disturbing 🤔 is that Suicide is always a solo act ! A genuine suicide case will happen alone, making a conscious decision to kill hundreds of people is more an act of murder than actual suicide, he had a kind of Psychosis or mental illness it seems...
The saddest thing is, that this was totally avoidable, becase similar incident happened 2 times before this. Rules should have been changed earlier, so no one can be alone in the cockpit
im german, in that plane were a group of students from my teachers home city, which were returning from a class trip. still remember the minute of silence like it was yesterday
They all have blood on their hands. $90,000 is a slap in the face to all the victims and their families. We must hold big businesses 100% accountable for their mistakes and cost cutting measures. *Until then we'll all be their victims while they're making billions of dollars.*
@@aperturix congratulations on being German. The information that his employer had was nowhere near indicative of this type of behavior. No matter what, no airline wants a crash with their name on it.
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$90k ? Unexceptable
Ehh no
They were locked out because Kareem Abdul jabaar was seeing if Timmy and scraps liked movies with gladiators, and Peter Graves was seeing if he liked grown men naked. Hey atleast she didn't go from suck to blow
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I am shocked about the huge number of false information of that video
I can't think of a worse series of last moments. Sitting as a passenger, plane is descending rapidly and a flight crew member is hacking away at the door with an axe. The minutes of helplessness and terror.
The Western Airlines 2605 crash because the screams of the pilots.
My thoughts exactly! Very sad.
That was nothing compared to Alaska Airlines Flight 261. Look that one up and hold on tight 😯
I saw that you could ram the door down with one of those heavy drink carts if you run at full speed down the aisle.
They should offer cyanide caps along with the barf bags for these situations. Imagine the comedy potential of someone biting their capsule seconds before the pilot pulls off an impossibly miraculous recovery.
That co-pilot was such an awful coward. He couldn’t just end his own life privately. He had to make so many people suffer needlessly. What a sadistic bastard.
I agree. He was planning this. He might have been suicidal, but first and foremost he was a homicidal POS who wanted to live in infamy.
💯 well said
There are children on that plane too
@@dbz9393 not funny
Ye hope the co pilot gets to hell
On board that flight were 16 people from my school. I remember this day. I was in 6th grade, normal school day. After the 3rd period, we were all sent home. At that point, we had no idea why. So we were of course pretty delighted, no more school for the day.
Later, we found out why school was cancelled. I watched the news in disbelief. I did not know anyone on that flight. Except my German teacher. She was never gonna come back and teach us again. It was a very hard thing to process, being only 11 years old.
I'm thankful for my class, we all talked a lot about the accident and how we felt.
Today, we have a steel plate in front of our school. Carved into it are the names of the ones that died in the crash. And for every name, they planted a cherry tree.
That's so sad. Those poor children.
I also lived like 30-40 minutes away from Haltern back then, now I moved because of my studies, but my parents still live at the same place. Randomly enough, I was also 11 years old at that time and also went to 6th grade. I remember this was all over the news, and our entire school was having a minutes silence for the victims(I don't remember if all schools in NRW did this, could be and probably was the case). During this minute silence, it was a really strange atmosphere in class. I still have it infront of my eyes. We had math class, and we were sitting at our tables of 4, when everyone got up and it was completely silent for a very long time. Even after this minute, we sat back down and still nobody said a word for like 5 minutes. With us being so young, we didn't really know what to feel or how to act. It just was too much to process back then, and we didn't even know any of the victims or their families. Those poor souls😭 I'm glad you guys had the chance to openly speak about your feelings within your class, that probably helped a lot in terms of processing
Oh no, that's so horrible!! I am so sorry. I knew when it happened and couldn't believe it. I am a German who lives in Ireland, but I know Montabaur and Bremen and have been there. My father came from the Westerwald region. I am shocked that the health officials didn't do more and kept these vital things to themselves. It is horrifying that the co-pilot didn't consider other people, the ones he flew and who contributed to his salary, but selfishly ended his live and theirs too. So so sad.
Ihr seid alles Deutsche und antwortet auf Englisch😂😂
i am sorry man thats gotta hurt just know theres people out there that will help you if you ever feel depressed
This was one horrible person. Don't let the suicide talk get you feeling sorry for him. What he did was murder.
yep he was a trashcan
Exactly. Total coward
I knew the girl on that plane…not well but still tragic and sad
Right? Like yes depression is horrible and so is suicide, but what on earth could make someone want to take down 100+ people with them?
Agreed
The last words of the pilot was
“Andreas Open That door, Open it!” as he cried
2 little babies were on that plane and a group of school children, along with so many loved ones. How can anyone do something so terrible....
@candisellis I don't understand why people have so much sympathy for children only, and not adults, and second thing he had psychosomatic disorder which is far more worse and he may have lied due to mental stigma associated from the same society you and I LIVE in! So instead of criticizing try a n d help so such incidents may be prevented in future!
@@dipalirajput6106people have MORE sympathy for children as they are completely vulnerable and innocent in comparison to adults. Some people may be happy bringing down a plane full of adults due to bullying, being treated poorly by others etc, revenge. But children and babies are just pure innocence. Like lambs to slaughter.
@@chantellethompson5759small children didn’t even understand what was going on so they did not experience the same spectrum of emotions😒 they all died instantaneously so the scariest part was the realisation of the imminent death. Absolutely horrible. RIP
@@chantellethompson5759 you mean to say adults are not innocent and pure? All are evil, adults are too vulnerable, people need to broaden their mind!
@@dipalirajput6106I think they care more about the children because their live just started and they had so much to look forward to , but unfortunately their lives ended before they got to do much
I was in Europe due to an exchange program... a week or so before the incident I was looking for the best way to go back to Germany, Dusseldorf more specifically.
Among the options I found this flight, it fitted perfectly in my schedule.
I'll never forget this, we were in an hotel room in Amsterdam with my friends and just moments before I press "buy", one of them offered me a better cheaper option on a train that would take a little longer but fitted just as good as the flight.
If I would have press buy, I wouldn't miss that plane, I wasn't in a position to lose a flight... and I definently wouldn't be here tipping this.
When I arrived to the house of the family that hosted me in Germany I saw what happened. My blood froze... I got chills all over.
It wasn't my time.
Wow, you are so lucky, you were a single click away from dying, please take care, always follow your gut instinct!
I can only imagine how eerie it must have felt for you.
My father had the exact same scenario happen, except for that he had already purchased a ticket but then decided at the last minute to drive. The flight was PSA flight 182 which went down after a mid-air collision over San Diego killing everyone on board. My mom didn’t know he had driven. She called my stepmom frantic and found out!
My dad lived for 7 more years until he died from Brain Cancer at 52.
@@pamelagileno5483 my god... that's a hell of a close call. Really sorry for your loss, still glad that you were able to enjoy each other for 7 more years.
Those situations make you think maybe there is some truth about guardian angels.
Por tu nombre imagino que hablas español, en ese caso, un saludo grande Pamela! =)
@@lautihach98 thank you🖤
Similar story - i had family members who was ment to attend the "World Trade Center" on september 11, but for some reason and i dont know what reason the trip was changed to september the 10🙏🙄 crazy luck..
What always terrified me about this tragedy is that he just set the autopilot and wait without doing anything else. No actions, no words spoken, just watching the scene happens slowly.
Everybody will imagine the mad pilot taking control of the plane and make some crazy manoeuvre before crashing it in a nose dive, but this guy simply set the autopilot and waited. So scary.
You wouldn’t have been able to crash the plane as it was an a320, it is an extremely safe aircraft as thr fly by wire prevents a320 from diving.
@@nintendoolivier600 It wouldn't be hard to turn off a couple of systems that would put the plane into alternate law. Then you'd have full control over it as you would a Boeing.
@@nintendoolivier600 3 buttons are enough to disable all safety features
@@nintendoolivier600 you can still crash it if you disable autopilot.
There was a pilot who simply pointed down
important to know:
Lufthansa wanted to lower the compensation by claiming that the passengers may not have realized what was happening. This was followed by the question: How should the passengers not notice that something is wrong when the captain tries to break down the door and shouts that he should open the door?"
Lufthansa responded: "It may be that the curtain was drawn and the passengers would not have noticed the incident."
This statement was a huge outrage for us Germans and even worse for the relatives. The family waited for the school class and their children to welcome them, and then the plane didn't land and on the local news they learned that a plane had crashed on that route. Panic broke out at the airport. Relatives collapsed in fear.
Lufthansa wanted to save money with a cheap excuse and make us believe that no one can hear a scream through a curtain.
Absolutely disgusting.😡
Wait, what does passenger not hear matter? I thought the compensation never change? Why it is matter? It's a weird rule to differentiate compensation based on that
@@Biorina-c4u what do you expect from a soulless corporation?
Shame, shame, shame on Lufthansa.
a corporation at its finest. utterly disgusting.
Typical corporate response. Fuck Lufthansa.
This hits me really hard since my neighbour was on that flight. What's also very sad is that a group of students was on that flight with their teachers to return back home after a school trip. May they all rest in peace.🙏🏽
As sad as this situation was i have to also say the truth they are only resting in peace if they had the Lord Jesus Christ in their life ppl lie to us all the time saying everyone Rest In Peace when they’re dead that’s a lie bro , resting in peace is for those that had Christ in their heart 🙏🏾 God bless u brother may the Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on all those souls lost during that tragedy
@@youdontknowme3318 The only one that lies is you. There is no God, there is no Christ. Stop the nonsense.
@@bowlchamps37 sure bro I’m gona believe some 🤡 like yourself who’s only in this world temporarily who won’t even be here in 100 years time , yea bro sure buddy I believe you 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@bowlchamps37 I’m gona believe a mortal being who can die at anytime who can catch a disease and become a corpse in a matter of seconds yea bro I’m gona believe a mortal being that will die eventually I’m gona believe such person when they tell me there is no God okay buddy 🤡🤡🤡
@@pattyprolapse bro stfu 😂😂😂😂😂😂
An old friend of mine called Marina and her 5-months baby were on that plane. I still have a photo of her on my desk and I’ll never forget her, nor forgive that bastard pilot.
😢😢😢😢
Rest In Peace
U should forgive them, dont go to hell for Unforgivness
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@@Luv_Rin40hell?😂😂😂 You really believe in this?😂😂😂😂😂
The fact that he did the exact same thing on the flight to Barcelona and didnt get flagged is an absolute disgrace. A pilot doesnt make a mistake like that mid flight. Dude should’ve been hauled off immediately.
Well what do you expect from the germans ...just soccer n fooling the world with their cars...good for nothing else, maybe except sausages
The world would run out of pilots in a day if everyone thought like you.
@@joeycampbell940 No they wouldn't, mistakes like this do not happen on accident. I work in aviation and I don't trust our pilots honestly, people don't take this job seriously
I think the air traffick controllers probably assumed a small mistake or an accident was occurring, and once the path was corrected they went back to the dozens of other flights they have to deal with, and thought nothing more of it.
@@ivans.224so you say that pilots in general are dangerous?
As someone who has dealt with depression and suicidal thoughts for over 31 years it really pisses me off when those like me take other lives. As much as I suffer, I cannot fathom taking the lives of innocent people with me. The fact that this man used his mental health instability to take others lives makes me very angry. Perhaps some of this is due to the stigma of mental health issues so therefore I believe we must let those who suffer know they are not alone and that it’s okay to ask for help. I pray for the innocent lives lost due to this one man’s faith in himself. 🙏
Personality disorders, that's the difference
Fellow person with suicidal ideation here, and I agree with you. Even when I did think about dying (I've been better in the past few years thankfully), I was worried about inconveniencing anyone in any way, be it leaving my debts behind for my relatives or delaying a train taking people to work. The thought of deliberately taking anyone with me, especially a plane full of strangers, is beyond comprehension. That feels like a step beyond depression.
To Alison and Mela, keep up the fight. Hopefully you'll have the peace you need to live out a long and good quality of life. Depression is a real battle. Never forget that someone cares
please understand he did not just have depression, he was a psychopath. it's ridiculous they keep saying he was depressed, like no he was an actual lunatic, no depressed person premeditates such a thing
@@2006hulkrules I was just going to comment the same thing ❤️
“A man that has nothing to lose is the most dangerous man”
This is an evil man there’s a difference
@@jimmykray9583You are right, and not only that this man had so much he just didn't care. This man didn't care about the passengers, the pilot, his girlfriend, his family and the family of the passengers. He was a selfish coward that thought he had nothing and wanted to take everything from everyone else.
More kind a weak man, change ur statement..
As a former pilot 👩✈️ never ever left the cabin with inexperienced pilot. The risk is too high for just a bathroom break. I did everything before my flight. Phone calls, bathroom breaks etc.
1000% correct. Lubitz answered "hopefully, we'll see" to being told of their approach to dusseldorf......and the captain still went to take a whizz . It is a HIGHLY UNUSUAL exchange, and coupled with his mental history, would have ended Lubitz' career. He was CLEARLY throwing it all away AT THAT MOMENT. The captain should have pissed his pants instead of giving up control to a moody little asshole who said something like that.
Bathroom time doesn't wait tho it comes suddenly
I always wondered how a pilot would take control of an aircraft if the other pilot was hellbent on crashing it? Like what if you both were fighting for control?
go diapermode.
even then tho, he may just attack you
probably should have 3 pilots per flight, even if one of them is new. 1 person would have a tougher time intentionally crashing a plane, and its only 1 more salary per flight.
Better leave a flight attendant when one pilot is out.
Ironic the very safety features that were designed to prevent these tragedies, made this tragedy inevitable
There's no foolproof solution.
It's still a good safety feature. The solution to this incident is more thorough screening of pilots.
It's almost always pilots. They have safety measures on top of safety measures for plane malfunctions and such but most of the time it's human error or straight up murderous intent
In engineering, when you find a solution, you are creating a new problem. No one thought about suicidal pilots before
@@Ninini_99kamikaze pilots?
That part that pisses me of the most is that this accident was 100% preventable. The co pilot was undergoing treatment for depression from his doctor but because of German law, the doctor wasn’t allowed to share his medical records with the airline…..
Did you even watch the video? It clearly states that under these circumstances it is allowed (but not mandatory) to inform the employer.
@@TODESHAMMEL my point is it should be mandatory
@@joey1317so then pilots fear to be removed from duty and because of that never seek for help in the first place.
So the outcome is the same, but theres a possibility of even more suicides because pilots are afraid to go to doctors.
Brilliant idea…
@@joey1317 you said "wasnt allowed"
If you abolish or loosen doctor-patient confidentiality, it will only prevent people like that co-pilot from seeking help in the first place.
I still remember this day vividly. I remember sitting in my terminal waiting for my flight back home to Germany after finishing my school trip, seeing the news report, and seeing many of my fellow students and friends in absolute shock and horror. The most gutwrenching part was when my mother told me my grandma had called her in panic as she had heard on the radio that a group of german students were present on that flight. Luckily my mum was able to reassure her it wasn't my flight. I can't imagine the emotions she was going through at that point and time and what the victims' families have had to endure. I clicked on this video just to see what future precautions and safety measures had been put in place and I am infuriated to see that they were abandoned so soon.
this and helios 522 has to be the scariest plane crashes out there
Sincere sympathies.
the EASA recommendation might have been withdrawn, but i can assure you there are airlines that still stick to it
The rule is still there where Two crew members are required to be in the cockpit at all times wherein it could be 2 pilots or if one wants to use the rest room or stretch a bit , a cabin crew can be seated in the meantime.
Unfortunately, the changes to aircraft cockpit doors after 9/11 was the last obstacle. Instead of working for the pilot, as in the case of a hijacking, it worked against the pilot.
The door should have been designed so pilots could still been able to override any cockpit door lock from the passenger side don’t you think ?
@@donbrashsux I do. There had to be some way where this wasn’t possible to take place.
@@donbrashsux But if there was terrorists would wait for one of the pilots to go to the toilet and then overtake him and torture him or passengers until he told the code. There's no solution to this problem. Maybe put a toilet in the cockpit :D
@@mrkipling2201 the closest I can think of, short term at least, would be requiring there to always be at least two people in the cockpit at all times. hardly foolproof, but better than nothing til someone can come up with a better solution/door/etc
@@MrGoesBoom I have to agree with you.
The pictures you showed at 10:12 and 11:05 are not Andreas Lubitz, it's actually a man from Switzerland who was falsely accused by the media.
Yeah I was wondering that dude dont look the same
There is another image at 13:38, which I don't believe shows Andreas Lubitz either. Sadly this takes away from an otherwise good video.
This happened right before I had to fly for a business trip and I remember the pilots assuring the cabin that the passengers were in safe hands because they had families they intended to come home to that night. I was really affected by the senselessness of this crash - no plane malfunction, just a sociopath committing murder suicide. Taking out a field trip full of high school students (who'd almost missed the flight), newly weds and so many others.
Not a sociopath, a psychopath...what a moron he was...b*stard mofo...hope he is rotting in hell now
Well, as I've mentioned to another person, this type of incident is similar to mas shootings where mentally insane people do the same kind of terror to hundreds of people, whether it's taking control of a commercial airlines or two semi-automatic firearms....Terror can happen anywhere, even near homes.
As a colleague if mine booked a holiday flight 4 days later with Germanwings... ( not Barcelona)
as well as 2 infants 😢
He talked about 9 11 the day before
I couldn't imagine just watching the plane slowly descend with all chaos erupting around me, knowing that we were all gonna die. That's almost like watching yourself die slowly without the physical pain... Damn.
My son's dear friend and her mother were on this flight. I have often thought about what they must have gone through in those last moments. It just breaks my heart.
@@ejtappan1802 I'm so sorry that you and your son lost loved ones in this tragedy. Situations and events should never have been allowed to escalate to the point that this happened.
you could do a physical override where it takes one pilot and the lead cabin crew member to override the locks and it automatically bypasses the timed lockout. It would allow access in emergencies like this while making things difficult for hijackers. As someone else mentioned 2 deep crew on the flight deck is also a good solution and honestly probably the best option. If you combined it with that 2 person override it would make it so only one of the two key holders was accessible from the cabin at any given time.
It must been fun
@@ruslankontsimal7072 open a pressurised cabin mid flight? Yeah right, you seem super smart
I appreciate you telling us the actual reason behind this horrific crash. Most aviation channels don’t and we never know why.
What are you on about?! The information is freely available all over the internet, you only have to google....
I have literally no sympathy for him, not even an ounce … more hatred… he was selfish, truly evil …. I deal with depression diagnosed now for 5 years and I couldn’t imagine taking people down with me. He was truly an evil person for thinking that was an okay thing to do… depression or not
I thought the same thing when I watched the Mayday episode about this crash
Yes 😭😡
Well we all know he’s in hell while the others are in heaven
i could. people are worthless critters
It was basically a murder-suicide
i remember this, i was 12 at the time of the crash. my aunt, uncle and cousins almost were on that plane. they stayed in spain a day longer but had originally planned to take this plane.
I would never fly again if that were me.
omg lucky them, really. That sounds like out of a movie… :(
new fear unlocked: mentally ill pilots
I'm german. I've heard of this when it happened.
Some people I knew were really anxious about flying, after this tragedy happened.
I’m not surprised to be honest. I don’t fly anymore but I would have been very apprehensive if I was still a regular flyer.
No shit.
Mentally ill man killed so many a selfish & cowardly act.
It's all the "red flags" uncovered from the investigation... and WELL in advance of the crash... making people apprehensive. Social stigmas around mental illness is 90% Hollywood with their Psychological Thrillers, and Psycho' Slasher movies, turning a damn difficult science into a "freak of nature" sideshow attraction. It only further stigmatizes the PEOPLE who suffer.
The rest of us are stuck with "our own devices" to TRY and find any credible source of "real" information to even make sense of something that CAN make sense, but doesn't seem to in any mindset we'd understand. IT'S FRIGGIN' TERRIFYING!!
SO when we encounter something like this... When those "in charge" seemed to have ALL the "signs" available and step "blamelessly" aside to let it happen... Why NOT be apprehensive as hell about flying??? You're a FOOL if you don't wonder how many MORE are still "slipping through cracks" somewhere... How many "sleeper cells" can just show all the right papers??? How many life-long careers hang on some dubious diagnosis, threatening to send a decent person spiraling into depressive psychosis??? How many are "quietly" self-medicating GOD ONLY KNOWS what while there's something terrifying just under the surface of their otherwise sunny disposition??? Look at Robin Williams. How long and stellar (and FUNNY) was his career, before he ended it???
I'll ride my motorcycle, or I don't need to go. Thanks. It may well BE 1000X more dangerous, but if I'm gonna die either way, I might as well ONLY have my damn self to blame for it. ;o)
@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 not as far as I know, why, was there supposed to be some shit??
My friend Chris was on this flight. He was a great guy. Didn’t believe when I first heard that he was on it. Very sad
I’m so very sorry…..🙏🏻♥️
You have my condolences.
Even if you're going through something painful whatever that may be, that gives you absolutely no right to kill others because of your suffering.
I was at University in Ireland when this happened. Many international students, frequently taking planes to fly home to mainland Europe. At first, people took it as "tragic accident". During the hours when it turned out this was a deliberate act by the pilot, I still remember the absolute silence on the campus. People walked around staring at their phones (reading the push messages), looking at the screens in disbelief. Hardly anything was said. It was an eery mood on the campus that I'll never forget.
I’ve been dealing with depression for a big part of my life, suicidal thoughts and anxiety. But never, NEVER would I even THINK of causing so many innocent people to die because of me. I HATE the idea of even being a burden to others, nevermind hurting them and killing them…
Perhaps he was in a psychotic episode, but the way he hid his mental problems from his superior, knowing damn well it was dangerous for others… it’s not right and just enforced the stigma of suicidal people being selfish…
Thank 👏 you👏, having suicidal thoughts and commuting suicide and commuting a mass murder suicide - very freaking different. He also knew better than to hide all this, the psychological tests are there not to crap on people like him but to prevent this kinda situation . Here he is lying about it and then it lead to this.
I was there for a friend who attempted suicide when we were young. Never in a million years would she have considered hurting anyone else. This pilot’s action was pure sadism.
You are not a mass murderer.
The depression thing was an excuse made up by the media because he was white. Other suicide attackers are usually treated differently, especially when they are of middle eastern origin.
The German media likes to blame minorities, this is nothing new.
dear...he also had psychosis.
just the fact he was 100% sure he is going blind whereas, he is NOT.
maybe he heard voices as well?
we will never know.
and i will never forgive him.
the pain, terror, fear and sadness he caused...absolutely disgusting.
No you haven't. You're just self absorbed.
At that time i was working at the airport in Düsseldorf. I remeber the people who have lost their loved ones. It was so sad.
The most tragic part you didn't mention is that an entire class of high schoolers from Haltern am See (small city close to D-Dorf) was on the plane returning from a class trip. I live close to the city and it was devastating. A big part of the youth born that year was wiped out.
sooo tragic...😭
I known a girl of the class. It was an terrible time...
Probably lots of even younger children from families on it too, all tragic.
@@leabeauty837 Does it matter how young or old the children were?!
What a strange comment???????
@@71JediKnight No hence my comment🙄. She pointed out a specific class of high schoolers. So I pointed out many other children had been killed.. I.e even younger than the class in question. ALL TRAGIC. It’s only a strange comment to someone with no comprehension skills.
The fact he took control of the aircraft within a minute and with basically no effort is terrifying. It sounds like anyone with the bare minimum of flight training could have done something similar if they got on a plane.
I still remember that tragedy 😢
Also, pretty much a whole School Class was on Board returning from an exchange program. I found that part the saddest back then.
I remember the part about the school class very well as my son was the same age then. For reasons I cannot remember only a certain number of students went on that exchange programe. I can imagine how disappointed the one's who had to stay behind were only for them to find out they actually were the lucky one's for not being on board. Very tragic experience. All the best to family and friends who lost someone on that plane.
I remember this clearly. It happened a month bevor my own class trip to barcelona. When we heard the news of what happened, of the class and that it was the same airline as the one we were taking, a classmate had a literal meltdown.
It was surreal. Could have been us.
I took comfort in the idea, that since it happened already, another accident or similar event was unlikely to happen to us so shortly afterward. Nonetheless, it tainted our trip
Fake
@@thewhorenextdoor8268 Okay, "The whore next door".
It isn't about you.
Couldve been anyone
@@alext8020 one month of time difference and it could have been about him
What a bastard...
I can never, ever feel sorry for someone who takes their own life alongside innocent people, even if they are struggling with mental health. It's jaw dropping that he could lie so much, so easily and that the flying agency didn't even considered doing more psychiatric evaluation at least yearly for the safety of the passengers.
Truly an avoidable and heartbreaking tragedy.
It was a rampage. The suicide was not in the foreground.
Until this hppnd..no changes for flying agncy n cmpnies
SSRI medication can do this. It's not the right medication and is doing this to his mind. They are called "intrusive thoughts". You still know right and wrong. The thoughts though are demonic and real. Could happen to anyone and is associated with many mass casualty events. If you're not strong willed/minded you could easily go off the deep end per se. They are legitimate and real scenarios that effect young men predominantly. The medication is handed out at Dr. offices left and right. If you're feeling down and have even seasonal depression its given to you. Can't seem to shake anxiety induced insomnia? Handed to you. Very dangerous tbh and even says so on the label itself. Almost impossible to get off of. Can't quit cold turkey, has to be tapered, monitored by a physician that knows what they're doing. The side effects going on and especially coming off are horrendous. Why nobody has extensively looked into this is beyond me. Pharma is powerful, very powerful. That is likely why.
His parents and family must be so ashamed
Maybe if Lufthansa hadn't turned the other cheek when it comes to the health of their pilots and only required them to be physically fit and not give a hoot about their mental state, this could have been avoided altogether since the only reason the copilot didn't disclose he was suffering from mental illness was because he was in fear of losing his job despite he was clearly going off the rails, having visited some 30 ophthalmologists in the months leading up to committing mass murder because he was convinced he was going blind.
I was in the Alps that day and as we were having lunch we quickly realised the reason for the huge amount of helicopter activity by the landing site nearby. It was very sombre. Appalling to later find out it was a murder suicide.
I don’t think the company or the school should be accountable. I think the doctor who lied about his treatment should be held accountable. Their action single handedly killed all those people. Great video.
Yes I tend to agree the doctors could and should have notified his employer. I'm also surprised none of his work colleagues didnt picked up on his behaviour. It's just so tragic, cannot imagine the sheer terror being on their with your family. Knowing what's going to happen.
The problem is German law is very strict and the doctors had a fear of losing their liscense if they communicated his illnes with Germanwings without the consent of Lubitz.
The doctor had little choice. He could have gone to prison and/or be sued by Lubitz for disclosing private and confidential information
The doctors didn't lie. As the other two already commented, German privacy laws prohibited the doctors from contacting anyone. In addition, they may not even have known where he was employed. It's not something that is automatically disclosed to the doctor. And if the pilot was trying to keep it secret he probably didn't choose doctors affiliated with the company.
If you go to a doctor in Germany and he writes you a sick note, it is entirely up to you to give it to your employer and your insurance company. You can just choose to ignore it. And none of my doctors ever knew where I work or what I even do for a living. There is only the bare minumum of private details stored on the insurance cards. Which is a good thing in general. In this case it was of course not.
In the aftermath changes to laws were proposed, so doctors would be able and required to report health or mental health problems of pilots to the authorities. But I have to admit, I'm not quite sure those changes were actually approved and went into effect.
I think the killer is accountable
It’s gives me absolute shivers all the time I see video’s/reconstruction of this flight. What an absolute coward taking so many innocent people with him…
He should have been grounded a long time before this incident. Wonder how many other pilots may have slipped through the system and are still flying. Highly irresponsible of Lufthansa to allow him to fly.
I just took a flight on JetBlue In the US. (2022) When I noticed a flight attendant used his food cart to block the front bathroom. He stood there on guard, as both pilots used the bathroom and each time the other flight attendant accompanied the remaining pilot in the cockpit. I instantly thought of German wings and figured it was a rule because of it. Crazy that lufthansa later withdrew the new rule. Irresponsible.
Withdrew the new rule? As far as I know the new rule came because of this incident🤔
@@speedbird9313yeah it did. and then they withdrew it in 2017/18 i think.
they probably have failsafe's in place now that are less inconvenient than requiring two bodies in the cockpit
I remembered the days afterwards. I was 10 at that time, but I could never understand why this had to happen. I remember the minute of silence in school, which was new for me. During this minute I thought about everything. Why he wanted to die, why nobody could have prevented it.
This memory will stuck in my head forever.
Despite my severe depression that has affected me for many years, I would never think to harm ANYONE no matter how I felt. That bastard was too much of a coward to get help, and instead took his own life along with many others. I will never feel pity for someone as cruel as him.
As a person who has also struggled with depression, I completely agree with you. Also I firmly believe that the person in question was a full blown psychopath. So a personality disorder, not neurochemical. It is heavily stigmatising for people with mental struggles to be lumped into a category of utter scum. Hopefully, this psychopath’s act has not increased the stigmas around neurodivergence and neurochemical conditions.
The animated simulation at 06:06-06:09 along with the rest of this story heightens my anxiety to an abnormal level. I flew once and that was about 2 years after this incident occurred. The flight was ok but I was anxious the entire time and I have never been on a plane since. I just always get this foreboding feeling for some reason.
There are tens of thousands of flights that land safely every single day. Your chances of this are one in a million. You’re in more danger walking on a sidewalk or riding a train or driving a car.
Grow a pair
@@jordysavage3363It has nothing to do with “growing a pair.” The difference between a plane and a car is you aren’t the one in control of your life on a plane descent. You are solely relying on one person’s ability to get you down safely and if a mistake happens during flight, depending on the timing, you are in much more danger than when you make a mistake on the road being able to see everything in front of you. You’re not 30000 feet above the ground going 400km/h in a car. Car passengers and the other drivers can help you prevent an accident if they notice a speeding car being dangerous. Plane passengers, however, are completely useless at helping the pilot during an emergency and there is nothing you can do if something goes wrong. Only the pilot. They’re trained professionals but that doesn’t remove the fact that if something goes wrong, there is nothing you, as a passenger, can do to save yourself. So fear of plane is completely understandable considering. No need to be condescending towards the guy
@@SilverGeFergrow a pair
@@SilverGeFer Hmm, I would argue that control is an allusion when driving on the road. Essentially when driving, you are at the mercy of your peers. If someone drives head first into your lane, there is literally nothing you can do. Planes have redundancies and each pilot has the same set of controls, and a ATC for guidance. The reality is this is a very rare scenario, literally like 3 or 4 scenarios like this have ever happened in aviation. On the road, this has probably happened thousands of times over. Some person in a car trying to kill himself kills others in the process. But I definitely understand his anxiety, its very unnatural to be in a tin can 30000 ft in the sky, but the same can be said for cars, metal boxes on the ground driving at high rates of speed within sometimes inches of each other. Pick your poison
This particular incident still haunts me 😢 I wonder what would’ve happened if the pilot didn’t have to use the restroom.. would they all still be alive and would the co-pilot just have done this on another flight? It’s so horrible, I can’t imagine how the families deal with such a loss. I’ve seen interviews of some of the families that lost a child on this flight. Truly horrific and just a disgusting selfish and sick act. I hope they all Rest In Peace and didn’t need to suffer any pain.
Because was Nazi German
Yes. I don't usually hate people for suicide but I do if it also is mass murder.
@New Jack City Recent breakup with his girlfriend. 😥💔
@New Jack City Yeah, it’s terrible. I’ve had depression all my life, but would never take anyone else down with me. I’m sorry for your patient-suicide experience. Damn, and at 99. 😥🙏
Apparently he had either tried it on an earlier flight or had done a dry run (I can't remember which). So, yes, if the captain hadn't left the cockpit, he probably would have tried the next time he flew.
I feel zero sympathy for him. I will let God do that.
You sit in a plane and see that you will die nothing do do no hope thats the scariest thing
An absolute monster to cause that amout of terror to the people on board and the family/friends left behind.
That's the most common comment on this accident. The thing is the guy was not a monster but sick. He had serious psychological problems. It's his superiors that made a huge mistake by not checking on who's flying their planes.
“Accident”
@@Tokiodekee No. He never disclosed his psychological diagnosis to the airline, and his doctor never shared it. Not his superiors fault. It's HIS fault.
Yeah, I’ve dealt with serious depression for over a decade and I would never even consider taking anyone out with me. Not even an ounce of me could do anything like this…
Maybe an absolut Nazi like most of Germans
I've struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts for over a decade of my life. But not once, even at my lowest and most irrational, did I EVER think of taking someone else's life. I could never force my suffering and personal strife onto another person.
If he wished to die, that would be his choice alone. Those passengers and crew did not make the choice to die with him. Suicide is tragic, but I could never condemn a person's individual choice to end their life. But this? This is a mass murder and for that, he loses my sympathies.
RIP to all those who suffered because of the actions of this man.
Then you weren't truly depressed. You were just having a rough month. Learn the difference.
@@aerystargaryenii2565 LOL
@@aerystargaryenii2565Absolutely gfy for suggesting that unless you are planning mass murder you are not truly depressed. A lot of people know the deepest depths of hell that is depression and suicidal thoughts but it would never occur to them to hurt others - most who struggle fall into this category. You should probably be on some kind of a list based on your comment.
An additional fault was the cockpit door lock system. There was no possibility for the captain, to override the locking from outside (for example with a secret code).
I think a similar event had occurred on MH 370. The captain went insane and the co-pilot was locked out or vice-versa.
I usually take *some* comfort knowing that the industry learns from their accidents; but the video says the BEA recommendation of 2 persons on the flight deck at all times was withdrawn ?! If that's true then that is a damn shame.
Horrible Disaster, apparently the pilot failed the people but the doctors failed them way before
That. Amazing how they kept everything quiet
No matter what happened Lubitz was allowed
To continue. I would have sought hospitals for
A long stay before I put other people's lives in
Danger. I blame the system.
Nothing unusual there, psychology isn't a science, it's more like an art, even now in the modern day.
@@koolaidblack7697 very true. And people who suffer from mental illness are still regarded with such negative stereotypes and stigma that they feel ashamed about getting help. Also, in-patient care is honestly terrifying and not always even helpful depending upon the staff.
They really didn't have a chance unless he was seriously experiencing suicidal ideation and actually conveyed it the psychiatrists. Many many people experience depression and recover completely. It would be imminently unfair for a single depressive incident (which was all that was known to the company) to completely destroy a person's career and it would have disastrous consequences. If pilot's thought that seeking help for depression would end their livelihood and be reported to their employer then they would never go to see a doctor. Even suicidal people would not be expected to murder so many people in carrying out their suicide so this was unfortunately an extremely difficulty to foresee tragedy. This video is pretty preachy about violating his privacy with the benefit of hindsight, but if that kind of aggressive action was taken against depressed pilots than for every possible tragedy prevented there would probably be thousands of pilots who would have their whole career destroyed. Even with that kind of reporting or surveillance the benefit would likely be minimal since it is extremely rare for a person to commit an act like this.
@@-Bill. well stated and quite true. I’m on Zoloft and will be for life. I take it every day and do great! I’m not depressed nor suicidal. But without it? I’m not remotely functional. There are no side effects and it impairs me in no way. The stigma attached to mental health and seeking help keep so many people suffering.
He's a mass murderer & coward.
He wanted others to suffer it was an inexcuseble vicious attack he murdered so many.
Man, I’m flying out to Dominican Republic, Punta Cana in less then 2 week (March 1st) and I don’t know why I keep watching videos like this.
I fly since 20 years 4 or 5 times a year.....and never had a problem....😊
I'm german and I still know exactly where I was and what I was doing when the news hit... I just got home from school and was watching TV while making some food and then suddenly a special news broadcast aired. it truly shook everyone here
@@alane7896 You're sick. Get help
did naht zee that coming did u
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You have to be really sick to send so many people to death. I am a privat pilot and when I just have 1 single passenger on board, I fly extra carefully and try to make the passenger feeling safe as much as I can. I also had some dark periodes in my life, but never ever would I even think about to harm anyone because of this.
I also dont understand why the Co-Pilot was not removed from the cockpit after changing the altitude to 100ft already in the flight before?!
Or just a regular German…. Remember the Nazis?
@@DarkKnight-bi7cr What a stupid comment.
@@steffik.5904 the truth hurts.
@@DarkKnight-bi7cr There is nothing true in it. Most people were not even born when that happened.
@@steffik.5904 I’m talking about the German mentality. ;)
I didn’t know anybody from that flight. But I was just a bit younger than the students from Germany that came back from their exchange trip at the time. We lived close to their town, in fact only a couple years later me and my classmates flew from the same airport they did on our school exchange. I remember it being such a devastation even in my city that was 30 mins away from their school. It really impacted all of us, thinking every year our school also flies from that airport. I can’t even imagine what it’s like to lose your friends or family in this incident, especially kids simply going on a school exchange and never returning. May all 149 victims rest easy.
I live hundreds of miles away and I’ve never been to that airport. No one cares
@@HumansAreShitFactories hey Geoff, go travel a bit. maybe you’ll find a heart that you’re lacking along the way, you never know
Same, Düsseldorf is the closest airport to me. And I've flown from there multiple times. But I can relate a lot, I was only 11 back then and I lived about 40 minutes away from Haltern. Everyone here was so shocked, devastating stuff. In school there was a minute of silence held. I think it was held in all schools inside NRW atleast, not entirely sure tho. But we kids didn't know how to deal with this, and it was a totally strange atmosphere in class. I remember we had math class, and nobody said a word for some time after this minute. Even our teacher stayed completely silent. May all the victims RIP🙏
No empathy to this guy.
There are new findings from the blackbox recently and other things:
"In a sick twist, the murderer had hidden a sick note declaring him unfit to work on the day of the disaster.
And according to the German newspaper Bild, a former girlfriend of Lubitz said he had told her last year: "One day I will do something that will change the whole system, and then all will know my name and remember it."
He planned it all along
New findings? Lol that was reported constantly in 2015
@@seren4740 if you check German news, there were recent new facts which were back then only "not yet proved" Info
This is such a rare event, there's no foolproof way to avoid it. Any possible solution contains its own set of problems
had a family friend dying on that flight. Must be true horror for them... Thanks for making this
I can't imagine the terror the pilot and passengers felt in the last moments of their lives
I should have taken the train.
I hope they have found a solution for this problem. Like when a pilot needs to go to the bathroom a stewardess (flight attendant) has first to enter the cockpit and wait so there are always at least two people at all times.
the crew can open now the cockpit door from the outside
How about a toilet in the cockpit.
This is now policy on most if not all airlines.
@@Jack_The_Ripper_Hereit can’t fit
@@Big_potater it can fit if they make the cockpit bigger. Come on man it's not rocket science to move the cockpit door a bit down the alley after the toilet. Or have another door that separate the toilet next to the cockpit from the passengers. When the pilot wants to use that toilet, the door closes and only the pilot is allowed in. Many ways to solve it. 2024 Mo Fo cannot figure out a toilet for the pilots
So if the pilot on duty is the terrorist, he can lock the doors, which is a failure of the system. This wasn't the first case of a suicidal pilot, it happened with an Egypt Air before. If an affirmed pilot is outside the cockpit, he/she must be able to enter with a signature, finger print or whatever is needed. If just one person is in the cockpit, there will always be a risk of losing concsiousness during pressure issues. Like in space vehicles, it could even be possible to lock or open doors, change altitude etc by ground control. No system is perfect, but it's a matter of priorities, whether to save money or human lives.
It’s possible to get in if the other pilot falls unconscious. Just not if he is conscious and wants to keep you out.
Yes, I think ground control could be extremely complicated and lead to a whole bunch of other issues. However, a keycode that only the pilots have (so highjackers can't force it from a flight attendant) that works at all times, no matter the cockpit actions, could be simple to implement and would be very effective at preventing this. Unfortunately, it often takes 2 tragedies for action (see Boeing 737 and many others). The first time everyone says "it's so rare it won't happen again". Even in aviation. After the second crash however, drastic measures will be taken.
@@LuLeBe so they’ll get it from a pilot instead. How does that help?
Thats the compromise you got to make. As others mentioned, it is possible to enter the Cockpit if the other pilot is unconscious, but imagine the Pilot goes to Toilet and the hijacker forces him to open the door, thats what the lock function from the inside is good for.
Needs 3 people in the cockpit so nobody is left alone
I've been avoiding this episode until a day when I feel I can safely watch it. I'm still almost in tears. Such a sad, senseless thing to happen.
Crocodiles tear 😂
@@Meadow0899 I'm struggling to understand what you could possibly mean by that.
@@Meadow0899are you also mentally ill
Everyday we put our lives into other people's hands all you can hope for is they are mentally stable but unfortunately there's always going to be someone who isn't.
Almost every time I get into an Uber. I'd rather fly than drive though.
On US airlines, one of us cabin crew blocks access to the flight deck while another enters the flight deck to observe while the pilots take turns leaving This makes sense to me, although most of us aren’t capable of flying the plane, we can guard against entry by observing the returning pilot through the flight deck door. I just assumed this was normal practice worldwide
Europeans seem to leave in hope (that nothing bad happens). However they now have the same rule as in USA for these occasions.
New Cabin Crew here in the USA everything you said is correct. I just finished Flight Attendant Training last week lol
I was flying Lufthansa a few days after this. I could not stop thinking about the pilot and the mood swings he must have gone through. Acting normal, then confusion, then anger, then extreme anger, then back to being calm and trying to talk nicely to Lubitz, and finally, acceptance.
WoW, and the fear the passengers must have felt. Even Alfred Hitchcock could not have imagined something thus scary
What would Lubitz have done, if the captain had not left his chair? Perhaps a different flight would have crashed, the next day, or whenever Lubitz flew again. Guess we'll never know.
Ja. Scheinbar hat es er beim Hinflug schon geplant, hatte aber keine Gelegenheit.
Jepp, just bide his time, waiting for another opportunity to murder.
He was in no rush. It's extremely difficult guarding against sleepers.
There are thousands of competent airline pilots out there that have a history of anxiety and/or depression that go their entire careers without purposefully crashing a plane with passengers on board. I fear that videos like this are just going to increase the stigma and prevent pilots from seeking treatment. And unfortunately there are sociopaths out there that don't even show visible warning signs at all. The rule to have 2 people in the cockpit at all times, which was just given a passing mention here, is the key thing that would have prevented this tragedy.
There's a common saying that everyone who comes from flying regional airlines in the USA suffer from PTSD from the constant threats, fear of schedulers, chief pilots and being written up and losing their shot at joining a major airline.
Yeah it felt like they were going after depression a very common condition as the problem. Most people will have a depressive episode at some point.
IMO the biggest problem was that if he "started displaying symptoms again" he would be grounded; the thing that gave him the most amount of anxiety was used to threaten him. Instead of seeking help when his depression returned, he was forced to hide it so he wouldn't be fired.
That said, a "normal" suicidal person doesn't drag a plane full of people into their suicide.
My last trip Dublín Madrid, when a pilot went to the bathroom, he told one of the cabin crew to enter the cabin.
I could see It and I was still so scared, but the pilot was Happy and smiling...
I dont know, I fly but im scared of flying
@@namAehT I’m sure this pilot was more than just suicidal he had to have other issues that caused him to want crash this plane and take other peoples lives along with him.
Killing innocent people such a selfish cowardly act. RIP to all the innocent passengers and crew.
Since that terrible event, now pilots cannot remain alone in the cabin and that goes for ALL airliners 👌
As a flight attendants this is not true. They implemented that rule right after the crash but stopped it less than a year later because it was not enforceable.
@@SuperGymmie I disagree. This is not what is being followed in the European airliners protocol .. Extremely odd you saying such a thing ..
@@topfitnessssss in the video in says the same though..its not enforced by the law probably, however ryanair does that
@@GossipGirl770 However if that is proven to be true for some airlines then I can guarantee that now the crew can access the cockpit from the outside even if locked up manually ..
I worked as a flight attendant @Ryanair, way before this tragedy and everytime a pilot leaves the flightdeck, a member of the crew gets in and seats on the jump seat. Anyway, the pilot could somehow knock down that crew member if he/she really wanted to and continue with his/her evil plan ... I guess.. just not so straight forward
My dad’s cousin was on this flight! Her name was Daniela & was one of the two Mexican citizens on that flight. Wish the pilot hadn’t made such a horrendous choice.
İ hope that the cousin of your dad is in the heaven now and that the monster who killed everyone on that plane is burning in the hell now!
As someone who has dealt with severe depression multiple times in my 30+ years on this earth (thankfully not for a while nowadays). I can sympathize with anyone who suffers the same. What I CAN'T wrap my head around is this coward's unbelievable actions. Speaking from experience, depression made me feel like a burden to others, i.e., maybe if I was gone, they would be better without me. Never, in ANY reality would I have ever imagined taking anyone with me. What this bastard did was not the actions of someone suffering from depression, this was the behavior of a sadistic narcissist. May he rot in Hell for eternity.
Everyone is missing the part where he was diagnosed with psychosis. The guy wasn't thinking straight.
@@PlatformNo14Aw, yeah, the poor murderer...
@@PlatformNo14peak white privilege.
No, he’s a TERRORIST and you’d scream from the rooftops saying so without any hesitation if he was BROWN.
It's rare but yes we do have these mass murder suicide when these pilots decide to go out and take their passengers and crew with them.
As with all mass murderers, some are attracted to the infamy it gains them. I'm not moaning at this channel, I enjoy the videos, but this exemplifies the point: we have a full history, photographs and biography of the cowardly killer. No mention of his victims and very little about the Captain who tried desperately to save everyone.
While we feed the selfish and cruel ambitions of these monsters with an undeserved place in history, these atrocities will continue.
i have a slight guess that he was being blackmailed to crash the plane
@@ultra_vires I agree like I had 0 interest in his lame life before the mass murder, I wanted to hear about the main pilot and the therapists who stayed silent... and yes the victims too, all worthy of living more than him
@@ultra_vires Exactly. The infamy/attention that mass murders are given by the Media, are the reason why it happens in the first place.
I can guarantee you, if there was genuine psychological studies out there that actually looked into people who do this shit, they would find that the attention that is given is worth it enough. These people see their actions as the last vestige of controll they have over their lives, and see the mass media coverage as a way of telling the world "fuck you".
To them, it feels cowardly to die alone. If your dead, you have no obligation. Why not take people with you as a final "fuck you".
Its not a problem with guns. Its not a problem with regulation. Its not a problem with any of our instutitions.
Its a mental health problem, exacerbated by mass media attention.
Back then, if you tried comitting mass murder, people would look at you as pathetic and a loser, and forget about you instantly.
Nowadays? You have clowns that idolize the Columbine killers because "they were bullied and fought back" or some moronic bullshit.
If we didnt have the media, we owuldnt have these problems.
@@SM-ce1uy same.. I got a little mad when they showed his baby picture; I would've thrown that toddler under a truck if I had the chance, don't show me that sh**
A lot of idiots will probably say this guy was a victim of mental illness. He was no victim, he was a murderer. If he wanted to off himself so bad he could've done it without killing a bunch of innocent people. And as for all the aviation parties involved, they should've never allowed him to fly, and are equally guilty of murdering those people.
You have probably no idea about mentall illness
But you did watch the video? Or do you just like to rant online?
@@Celisar1 He was a murderer.
In Germany, the media propagated the whole "depressed suicide" story because he was white. No other suicide attacker was treated in the same way by the media, especially not those of middle eastern descent.
It is atypical for depressed people to have the urge to kill hundreds of people and destroy millions worth of property. Correlation doesn't equal causation. But that's something the German media likes to do, especially when they can blame minorities.
So glad you’re doing more aviation related videos!
Years ago I was put on antidepressants and I started getting thoughts of suicide so I immediately stoped taking it and those thoughts went away.
Unaliving yourself is a terrible thing. I couldn't imagine myself being in the situation where all the things in the world and beautiful scenery can't make me happy anymore. However, if you choose to go, go alone.
I exactly remember the day this came in the news. It was horrible, and it scarred many people as younger people had also been on the plane.
Possible correction for the narration, it sounds as if you are using psychosomatic and psychiatric interchangeably throughout the script. While he had both, they're not able to be used that way.
Example:
Psyc/hosomatic/ illness means an illness that isn't real. The patient is convinced they have an illness that they do not have. In his case, he thought he was going blind which he wasn't. That was the psychosomatic illness; aka the one that isn't real.
Psyc/hiatric/ illnesses on the other hand, includes being convinced he's blind (psychosomatic) but mainly having depression, suicidal ideation, etc.
Anyway this is very nitpicky and easy to miss or get confused in a script like this but it's an important distinction that the illness he didn't actually have was the blindness, not depression, or else it would mean he's not actually depressed. That would leave the audience with more questions if he were indeed not depressed or suicidal, given his actions.
I was coming down to the comments to mention the same. I also felt some of the verbiage used was intentionally sensational, and somewhat tone-deaf with consideration to people who live with mental illness, especially those as common as having depression. I understand the intent of the video is to provide entertainment as well as information, and while I like to believe that the potential harm caused is unintentional, I still think that people (content creators and those with a platform especially ) have a level of responsibility to make sure they try to mitigate that potential harm as much as possible. Sensationalizing, misusing and not properly defining medical terminoligy in this case, to me at least, is an oversight that I hope is corrected for scripts in the future.
Seriously ? Does it really matter here ? Who the heck cares if he was depressed/suicidal or not. He killed HUNDREDS of innocent lives i'm sure no one gives a shit if he was mentally unstable or not. He's a murderer that's it, a sick bastard.
WRONG!!!! Psychosomatic refers to bodily symptoms of mental/emotional distress. The illnesses can be very real.
I thought the same. It's an odd choice of words
he was obviously depressed you oxymoron
The speed of the plane 700km/hr
What a pain they have all gone through God 😢😢
This is the one of the scariest mass murder by the copilot
Bastard kiled almost 144 people onboard 😭😭😭
Innocent people who going to reach thier Destination in 1 and half hour😢😢😢😢
Imagine how many flights the co pilot had flown but the other pilot never had to use the restroom… makes you wonder
The thing that gets me is when I close my eyes and imagine what it was like being the pilot coming back to the flight cabin and realizing my plane was diving and my copilot locked me out and wasn't answering. I can't even imagine how horrible that chill was that went up and down his spine as his adrenaline dumped so much that he had trouble just standing up from shaking so bad. That's the kind of thing that could give you a heart attack.
Maybe some of the people in the plane didn't understand what was going on until the very last seconds. Imagine the businessmen and women who flew that leg many times -- they would know. But everyone knew when the pilot started yelling and hitting the door with an ax.
Jesus it is just too much too think about for too long. RIP.
Someone writes that the co Pilot Out Something in the Drink from the Pilot, Something thats making go to the WC...
A320 also has a keypad outside to allow crew members an access if it is set to NORM mode in cockpit, however with Germanwings it was set to LOCK mode which disables the keypad access.
Tf is the point of an emergency keypad to unlock a door if you can just turn it off...
@@somehaloguy9372 The problem is, if the cabin is taken over by highjackers, you want a barrier to the cockpit that can't be breached by crew members under threat.
Sometimes guarding against one attack scenario excludes an effective guard against another.
How can suicide attackers be prevented from boarding a plane with reasonable effort? If you have a sleeper like Lubitz, it's not so easy to take him out. Of course, Lufthansa should have done more, they are known for having issues with employees.
Mass murder not suicide
I can’t even imagine the horror.
This is a messed up individual. I thought I had been messed up and wanted death but I can honestly say that I would never take innocent people with me if I decided to end it. I would just be alone and do what I had to do. It's sad that he killed other poor innocent people with him when he did that. It's just a bad situation and those poor souls were on the wrong plane at the wrong time with this maniac. I can't imagine what this POS put those unfortunate people through in their last moments.
hey I hope you know you matter and sorry to hear you've been struggling. know that he was different from us and he clearly had 0 empathy or kindness in his soul to do this kind of thing. wish they'd leave depression out of it
Those poor poor people, i hope they rest in peace, what a horrible event.
It's crazy to think that people knew it was their last moments..
what's worse is his parents still defend him ..so gross
@@SM-ce1uy if I was a relative of a victim and his parents were unlucky enough to meet me, they'd wish they hadn't. Siding with a serial killer is the ultimate low point of any human.
@@CrimeWithC lol stop talking tough chris you wouldnt do shit, beta boy.
8 minutes mayhem amids the passengers which plane descended to oblivion,.
Just imagine sitting there wondering what it’ll feel like for a split second before your lights go out.
Whats so interesting yet disturbing 🤔 is that Suicide is always a solo act ! A genuine suicide case will happen alone, making a conscious decision to kill hundreds of people is more an act of murder than actual suicide, he had a kind of Psychosis or mental illness it seems...
This goes way beyond just depression.
Its so horrible that such events happen. And great videos i learn everytime something new.
The saddest thing is, that this was totally avoidable, becase similar incident happened 2 times before this. Rules should have been changed earlier, so no one can be alone in the cockpit
This dude has ruined everyone's lives , like come on , what exactly did those people do to deserve that 😢
I can't believe this happened so long ago, it seems like just the other day.
Yeah I clearly remember it.
im german, in that plane were a group of students from my teachers home city, which were returning from a class trip. still remember the minute of silence like it was yesterday
it's wasn't a suicide, it was a mass murder... what a shame
They all have blood on their hands. $90,000 is a slap in the face to all the victims and their families. We must hold big businesses 100% accountable for their mistakes and cost cutting measures.
*Until then we'll all be their victims while they're making billions of dollars.*
well some crazy pilot killed them, unless they knew he had mental issues it aint their fault
Tbh Lufthansa didn't have to pay anything, it wasn't their fault that physicians und the pilot did share medical records
@@kevklapp9496 As the video states it was all in his papers. Lufthansa could have known and should have known. I'm German.
@@aperturix congratulations on being German.
The information that his employer had was nowhere near indicative of this type of behavior.
No matter what, no airline wants a crash with their name on it.
Just found your channel and I am loving it!!!! Kudos to you. Rest In Peace my deepest,sincere condolences to the family and friends
He turned a knob and ended nearly 300 lives. THAT Should not be able to happen again.
It will when Putin turns it
It was like 150, let's not change facts.
Rest in peace Uncle and Aunt 😢
Mark Behrens, my condolences for your loss 🤍
May your aunt and uncle rest in peace and hopefully you will get to see them again sometime, somewhere, somehow.