Twitter Artists Are BOYCOTTING Adobe! (and its not looking good)
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
- mohammed agbadi talking about the adobe situation and how they're getting dragged in the mud by twitter artists
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*_what drawing program do you use?_*
I use ibis paint.
Btw first like!
Ibis Paint X and Krita
Medibang Paint Pro
Photoshop... Though perhaps I'll shop around for something different. It's powerful; the subscription, however, is not ideal for me, and the direction they are taking their software doesn't seem appealing. I still have OpenCanvas, though I moved to Photoshop for a reason. I draw in PS, but I also do a lot of image editing, and PS just has some of the best tools in the game in many areas.
SketchClub for ios
Not as diverse as Procreate or CSP but definitely worth its price
Remember, pirating any adobe product is morally correct
though even pirating, you might get your art pirated by them as well while doing so.
@@VOlDNOVA I just gotta draw shit art then, easy peesy
The question is where is the best place to do it.
@@justadumdum pro strat: no one can steal your art if no one likes it 😉
@@InvaderBB my place ;)
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My irrational hate for all things Adobe is slowly becoming more rational year by year, and I'm not sure how I feel about that.
LMFAOOO
As a graphic designer, it pains me how much we have to rely on their software oof
that's why I do some
sailing of the seven seas ykyk
I'll never forget that tweet that directly told Adobe "I pirate your software" lmao
Its not irrational since its been 10+ years they've been having an unreasonably high pricetag for all of their products period, regarding a *_huge_* amount of their customers barely make enough money to sustain themselves and thanks to those high prices of the adobe subscription, they're literally obliged to put up their own pricetags, losing customers to anyone that has the hability to properly use free programs like gimp. (or pirate the adobe products instead)
Adobe is the definition of greed. The way their conduct their business you’d think they hate their own costumers.
smh
I feel like the bigger any company gets the more likely it is to throw human decency out the window.
Ah yes, one thousand dollars. A perfectly reasonable price for what is essentially MS paint with extra features.
literally, I needed it for a semester during cegep, and tried to cancel it afterward. They give you two options, one is by month, and one is yearly. But they are the same option: an yearly plan. My bad for not reading the fine print, but now they are charging me a canceling fee for not using it the whole year. In my whole life, I have never seen a company not give an actual monthly subscription and charging you extra for trying to cancel before Adobe did it.
Adobe products are now considered industry standards. Even if smaller artists cancel their subs, (which costs money to do btw) they still have all those massive companies. I canceled my subscription when photoshop was laggy for me, so I went back to a pirated version. Absolutely tragic.
The more time passes, the more I agree with the statement “It's always morally right to pirate Adobe products”
Photoshop crashed 3 times every time I use one of the preset brushes... Every single time. That happened just last weekend. So okay there's one preset brush that literaly crashes the program if you use it. Great!!!! I've used Krita for years now anyway, I still am baffled that a free program is better and more user friendly than a stagnant program that you have to pay monthly for... I can create pro quality art with Krita and it feels easier and faster. There are a few things Krita is lacking with that Photoshop is better at but I would honestly pay money if Krita made a Krita 2.0 where they fix those last issues. I would pay a one time payment, never subscription.
it is a correct statement
tho i’m probably biased because all my adobe products are pirated
I don't even use adobe non legal copies, I use open source software for most things, even got an office package substitute called Libreoffice wich is identical to microsofts office
@@ten1982
Mind telling how or where you pirate yours?
I've been trying to find some but almost all are just scams/viruses... TwT
@@ten1982 Don't they have sort of protection/safeguard in their programs that, even if you use it pirated, they can see that later in the information of your pictures? I read somewhere about that, but I don't understand enough of programming to verify it.
With Genshin characters is really easy to notice when a drawing is made with AI, thanks to their complicated designs. For example, all golden accesories always look fucked up lmao
i've seen some that are really convincing especially when it's a bust or portrait
Even manual artists struggle drawing/sculpting them lol 😂
the details are always so goddamn precise its actually hard even for artists to draw those properly x.x
but yeah, with real artworks by artists we see effort, not just blobby sh*t.
It depends on how you write out the prompt, you could also retouch the image later, it's not that hard
Thank Genshin for complicated ahh character designs, even I struggle to draw them
The only standard they’re tryin to set is that it’s okay to steal other artists’ work and say it’s just AI. They’re acting as if plagiarism isn’t real.
pov companies when plagiarism makes them money
@@MohammedAgbadi it’s sad to see considering how hard artists work to make what they do
Collage isn't stealing. Fair use is morally right. Making artists cry is always a net good.
@@bobbyflavor5239daaamn here you are again! So sad and jealous it’s unreal. Ya just want artists to cry cause you’re a talentless waste that has to rely on AI to make anything interesting lol
@@bobbyflavor5239 I agree, except for the last point. Training AI should have no different rules then training people. It's is 100% okay to get better at art by studying other artist whether you are a person or a toaster oven.
Having a passion for art is a curse
😭😭😭
@@MohammedAgbadiLMAOO
I know right
Always has been 😔
That's why I prefer to follow more older people who do watercolor arts (alot of them are active in RUclips) because they're more chill and make me feel like I have many grandma/grandpa/wiser older brother figures😊
Ai artist know nothing about art. I remember I tried explaining color theory to an AI artist and they called me a racist, colorist, and segregationist.
I’m a brown skinned Hispanic Latina artist 🙃
Ai "artists" are closer to computer sciences. They refine prompts, that's all
That's actually crazy💀
@@almightytwinkie2171Or middle school level runts.
Except there are artists who use AI like myself. Also knowing color theory doesn't mean you are a good artist. Your are so elitist! LMFAO, Just keep on complaining meanwhile those of us who are using these tools will get ahead inevitably.
@@almightytwinkie2171that's honestly an insult to computer sciences but ok
It’s like they’re begging to be sued at this point. A lot of big companies use Adobe for NDA projects, and using that material without permission before it’s released to the public is illegal.
What a spicy lawsuit that would be.
@@HonkLoser If LOISH makes a gofundme to sue adobe, itll be the easiest thing on the planet.
with a net worth well north of 250 billion, no gofundme lawsuits every going to phase Adobe... short of direct government intervention via say monopoly law, firms like this are completely untouchable..@@dontburstmybubble686
you’re absolutely correct
The problem is, the AI isn't doing anything a human couldn't do too. Everyone can look at stuff and make something similar, bc it's publicly available. The robot is just faster
Oh not this ish again, man why cant artist platforms and actual ART SOFTWARE stop RIPPING US OFF???
makes me thank God for procreate and clip, they're not so bad
@@MohammedAgbadiTbh I pirated Photoshop because yes but now I might consider giving CSP a subscription lmfaooo 😭
@@MohammedAgbadi Highly agree, i use procreate and so many people shit on the program but atleast it isnt pulling this bs on us lol
aw yeah, I'm a free program user, so I'm not suffering with this!
Krita FTW
Because Adobe is a scam that tries to be in almost every creative field.
Medibang for multiplatform drawing, also free. Krita was mentioned before.
The AI thing is getting so bad. I use Pinterest to find inspo or get reference art and now it's mostly AI-generated girls that meet my search history (afro-centric/black women). I have to warn my friends and show them the telltale signs of an AI artist pretending to be legit. It is so sad how no matter how far artists have come, society is still finding ways to devalue and assemble-line art that takes years of practice and heart to achieve.
I’m having the same problem too. I used Pinterest as my go to for inspiration, art tips and research different styles. I keep having this one particular AI art that was a character concept design. It looked legit, until I look closer and I could tell it was AI. And the AI art came from Artstation. It was a account of someone using stabled diffusion and proudly putting up as their own.
So true! Every search is filled with AI!
I hate midjourney so much
YES my pinterest is the same girl drawn in slightly different ways or slightly different colors. It's so ...all the same. I'm not surprised an ai can't make something original
As someone who doesn’t know, what does AI art look like? How can I tell?
I have already dropped adobe long ago. Garbage company.
My swaps have been:
Photoshop for image editing = Affinity Photo
Photoshop for drawing = Clip studio paint and Procreate
Premiere Pro = Davinchi Resolve
Adobe Audition = Audacity
Adobe Illustrator = Affinity Designer
After Effects = either blender or fusion from davinchi resolve depending on the effect I want
I don't regret any of my swaps nor do I miss adobe at all.
Bless you for this. I would love to see more recommendations from ppl because as a web & media digital designer, the entire adobe creative suite is something we're taught/told is an industry standard tool to use.
fucking legend. hope you don't mind me screenshotting this so I can circulate these alternatives among my artist friends!
Thanks for the alternative recommendations. I hate Adobe.
i adore the affinity suite! best part is, during christmas, they'll have crazy sales on all their pieces of software.
@@itsafroggytime their sales are really nice. I picked up my universal v2 license during release sale for like 100$ instead of the current 210$. I use both iPad, Mac, and windows versions so I like how they just let me have all of them on every device I have
AI just seems so tacky at this point, programs like Clip Studio paint also tried to intregrate AI into their program back in the November of 2022, but unlike Adobe Clip Studio listened to their artists and stated an apology and rolled back on the AI
Yeah it’s crazy because CSP doesn’t have dedicated users like Adobe, even if a well known artist does something with CSP they still go back to mostly using Adobe
@@Healer-ms2zc Nah...
even mobile editors like picsart have ai now...
My main issue is all ethics aside, this is nothing more than a novelty without many uses.
Theyre only adding it because AI is a fad right now, not because it can actually do anything useful.
@@Healer-ms2zc what is bro yapping about
The courts already decided that AI art can't be copyrighted anyway, so this is all moot, because Adobe can't legally sell you rights to an image that no one can claim copyright on. Their "licensing" of these images is a scam anyway. If you really wanted to, you could just use the images and Adobe couldn't take any action legally, because they don't own the rights to the images! 🙃Whoever decided to do this obviously didn't consult the legal team.
but sadly just in the US, in other places they are using it a lot for everything specially in latin america where the law is a joke if you have money
I can't believe Adobe tryed to save their ass with a broken lie that is so obvious I think they should have apologized I mean most of the art community would probably have not forgived them but at least not lie but they decided to save their ass or try to by lying the art community is the craziest community out there we can't even catch a break.
it appears accountability and responsibility are these corporations weaknesses.
*_i sound like bane_*
This is something that I can't stand
quit!
@@stuart6478 least insecure Aibro.
Someone must have made all your apes gone.
I feel bad for students currently studying art rn. I know of a few that have dropped already because they can't see a future in art anymore, they're just doing it as a hobby now since they love it. It's sad to see.
It's so sad they are giving up. I'm at uni studying an art degree and I'm not giving up. I am determined to make comics, characters, and stories
@@ccsartcrypt My friend wanted to be a concept/character designer but due to pressure from her family and the art situation rn she is forced to drop out. 😭 I seriously and sincerely hope you succeed!! Good luck and I believe in you!! 💕
@@ccsartcryptSame here
I'm an animation student and we're being forced to use ONLY Adobe products for our coursework. What's worse, this year we're also being forced to pay extra just to use the suite at home, when that was paid for us last year. this whole AI fiasco is really just the icing on the this horrible shit-pile cake. #FuckAdobe
@@abbyelectric that sucks that they are forcing you to use Adobe. I am doing Concept art and most of my class uses Procreate
I hate Ai art, i am no artist but I love watching other people art on Instagram, the creativity the little mistakes the styles and the many other things are what truly make art what it is.
Ai should be supportive of the artist not overshadowing them, Ai may look good now but it will as fast look bad repetitive or outright harmful to the artistic process in general if nothing is done
I think the main issue is that it is new and companies just want to make money as fast as possible
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Sometimes Ai can be helpful in getting creative juices flowing, but it shouldn’t take all the credit away from the artist putting effort into their work.
(A good example of AI being helpful is an artist I follow who tweaked designs from something called ‘this waifu isn’t real’ and they made them into actual characters with interesting designs.)
The problem with AI is not much of the machine itself, it’s the people that use said machine for nefarious purposes. (AI can be helpful, but it doesn’t replace real artist, suck people are using it for evil.)
I just hate AI generation of art, drawn or written (I write,) because everyone who pushes it is just a smug bastard about it, so I'd rather it all just burn down, same with crypto bros.
I know an artist irl who makes her art with salt water and spreads watercolour through it by blowing gently to make beautiful textured images of sea life. She does it this way because she is old and has arthritis in her wrists, but she loved art too much to let that stop her and thus adopted new methods. She's quite popular on instagram for her unique style and her videos of her art making process get stolen a lot because it's so peaceful and beautiful. Having her art style, which has been honed by her because of the life she's lived and experience she's gained, stolen by an AI on top of that would be-- or _will be_ disgusting. She's an _old woman_ with _f'd up joints_ and I JUST KNOW some AI loving pricks are already salavating at the idea of stealinh a portion of her livelihood from her by feeding her determinedly made art to their damn algorithms.
Ai is starting to train on itself and inbreed and I hope it inbreeds so bad its no longer viable.
@@conspiracypanda1200 Protect that woman and her art, if anyone uses it for AI they’re getting curb stomped.
I switched to Krita back in 2019 and I absolutely love it! It has 99% of what I used in Adobe, for free, from passionate people who want to ACTUALLY give the opportunity to everyone to make art.
Adobe can collectively eat my big toenail! I wouldn't even pirate their products anymore. Lower myself to their standards?
Krita basically is a monster, it's leave Photoshop into dust, and they're even managed to get toe to toe with Clip studio paint,
it even surpass CSP at some features.
i'm surprised that Krita is really intuitive and every feature was built with the Artist in mind.
give it 1-2 years, i won't be surprised if Krita will become a standard like Blender
@@jensenraylight8011 I never made frame-by-frame animations, but isn't Krita already the most popular open source software for animation? I might've forgotten about some other program, but Krita is somewhere up there either way.
Aside from a few missing things that I rarely used, the only actual downside of Krita is that the performance doesn't live up to the one that has a 200+ billion dollar company behind it, but it got way better just in the last few years I'v ebeen using it, and just paying attention to save frequently in case it crashes and just doing broader strokes and liquify on a smaller canvas/area pretty much fixes that.
Agree!! My first ever art software was also Krita and has been using it ever since, hoping they will get more attention and more donation!!
I recently switched to Krita a year or two ago and so far, so good! I'm still learning the ins and outs of the program but I've already produced a lot of work that I'm truly proud of. The only big caveat for me is that photoshop has this one blender brush that I really like and I'm still figuring out how to replicate it in Krita.
I only started using blender brushes after switching to Krita. They can be tricky, I only managed to set up ones that use a heavy scattering to blend and kinda one that is good for making animal fur by smudging like an inkpen.@@lunaangeleclipse9745
Aside from this, I always viewed Adobe as predatory due to their lack of a perpetual license. I remember walking into Best Buy in the early 2000s as a kid and seeing photoshop available in this format. It's clear when it comes to smaller, more individualistic creators that big companies like Adobe don't care; they just want our money. They have enough large companies paying via their subscription format; allowing a small creator access to software for a flat price isn't going to hurt them. This is why I stick to open source and perpetual license software only.
This was the moment for me. When they moved to the rent-only model I was done.
THIS. It was the thing that made me lose respect for Adobe.
Now you have to pay a ridiculous amount for even one of the programs. And on a monthly/year basis.
The worst part is that other companies saw this and decided to do the same, such as clip studio.
They know very well that they have a little monopoly there, and they decide to squeeze every penny from users.
Sorry, I lost my temper there.
Yep. I dropped them the moment they decided to go the subscription only model. Seeing this happen has stripped away whatever love I had left for Photoshop. It’s sad to see how far they’ve fallen but the writing was on the wall in a way
Haha, I lost them when they take Macromedia's Flash under them and introduce CC. Long live Macromedia!
Dam the art community well never be free from malicious people bro like make the ai learn how to do its own art teach it or something
smhhhhh not gonna happen sadly
it is impossible for an AI to learn from it own, because the whole concept of AI is to replicate human intelligence in computer hardware. It learns from a dataset and it does its best job to apply whatever it learned from that dataset much like a human learning from school and then using that knowledge in the real world
Everything AI does is just a mishmash of whatever it learned, so if AI learns the content from school, then it'll only poop out whatever it learned without making mistakes, but if a human learns, the human, while also being prone to forgetting and making mistakes, might as well come up with new solutions, formulae and styles. AI is unable to evolve, it is forever tied to copying from humans forever.
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That comment was so stupid that I don't even think they even realized how stupid it was.
"I hope artist's go broke, but I'm totally cool with paying $200 for something even worthless than NFTs..."
i.. i just don't know... it's so dumb!!!
So Adobe gets backlash from stealing arts.. is it the SAME adobe company who did flash games way back?
The bought Flash, kept it around for a few years, and then removed all support for it. If I remember that correctly.
yikes...same
wait i know they owned flash some years back tho
@@MohammedAgbadi They did and then sh*t-canned it for their own animation program. The conspiracy was they weren't happy that CSP had animation support as a default part of the program and just couldn;'t compete because Adobe isn't smart.
Flash was killed largely due to pressure from Steve Jobs(Apple). It was poisoning the web and being outpaced by newer and more open technologies, his open letter outlining why it had to go was the death knell.
I think what’s difficult for artists is still continuing to produce art despite all of these present issues and the difficulty of getting money and practicing consistently, self-image and comparison, back and wrist issues, like despite everything by seemingly going wrong and people saying we won’t be needed, to still keep moving forward. I gotta re-find what makes me love making art and keep going cuz otherwise this’ll destroy all hope and motivation.
There are way too many artists despairing over this. If you calm down and continue pushing forward, the people that actually wants real art from real artists will come up to you and give you support and recognition.
@@VOlDNOVAtruth, hell, from what little I've seen, some AI artists are deciding to transition to just making their own art WITHOUT AI. Probably cause they realized that it's more satisfying to create your own art WITHOUT relying on prompts.
Like Voidnova said, don't give up on your art, keep on it and ignore the negative buzz. This AI garbage is simply thinning the crowd and making the legit fans of art more accessible to us artists.
I feel like every platform is trying to take your stuff for AI training, where are we suppose to show our stuff anymore.
@@VOlDNOVA Who are these people and where they are? Because I haven't met any who were not an artist themselves.
Amongst the list of reasons why I shouldn't consider Adobe, this one takes the cake. Ain't no way in a million years that my art is getting used for AI.
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I personally don’t mind but I at least want to know
@@bibule Some of the reasons include the subscription prices, the fiasco with Pantone, the shady ways they try to keep your subscription, holding sketchy art contests, and now, this.
For this reason I'm not sailing towards the new world with it. Never going to use adobe.
@@VOlDNOVA Good on you for not supporting businesses like Adobe. Also, dang, your art looks nice.
I’ve gotten so good at differentiating art from AI crap because of Pinterest. Every time I see a piece of art I have to look so closely, because it’s ALL Pinterest wants me to see. It’s so aggravating
tbh i dont mind because personally pinterest is used for ideas and shit and i honestly just dont care where my inspiration comes from as long as its inspiration, am i morally incorrect for that? (/genq btw) because a lot of ai art (not of people ofc) unironically looks really cool so i just use it to design my own stuff, also sometimes i use ai generators to come up with composition ideas for my illustrations (*real illustrations) and also furniture and stuff
@@briar2603Are you morally incorrect for being fine with ai on pinterest? Probably not
Are you morally incorrect for using an ai to create art yourself? Absolutely yes, 100%.
By doing so, you literally support theft. Why don’t you take references from professional artists or real life, so you can actually learn something? You wouldn’t use ai to learn anatomy, right? Then why would you use it for anything else?
Using ai to „create“ stuff for you, e.g. furniture patterns or whatever, is like giving up. You didn’t create this, you didn’t even try and therefore you won’t even improve your skills
@@taki7546 as in i take the concept/idea of the ai ""art"" and then find similar actual art references and then DRAW an illustration with clip studio paint. i DRAW it. it's the same concept as using ideas from pinterest except the ai generates the ideas and they're more specific to you. this is like saying using references is theft 😭 its not like im literally just redrawing the thing the ai gives me, im taking a concept used in the art and drawing something vaguely inspired by it. i got a thing that looked like a girl with a moth over her face once and the details on the wings lined up with where her eyes would've been. there was a bunch of other stuff that looked weird but i ignored all of it and made a character design out of that because it made me think of a cool moth mask
another time i was looking for ideas for a fantasy landscape and the ai gave me what vaguely looked like a statue on top of a tree stump with huge turkey mushrooms going up the side with giant flowers all around it. i made an illustration inspired added some other details like i already knew that the statue would be on a tiny "island" in the middle of a pond and i knew it'd be in a park. so i drew that. isn't that how you're supposed to get ideas or have i been doing this wrong my entire life? like i remember being 9 years old and constantly drawing random fish in the sky in surrealist landscapes because some mermaid coloring book i got for christmas did that, but it wasn't like i was completely copying the book or saying it was mine, i was drawing entirely different images and putting fish in the sky...
@@taki7546 also why is it fine to draw illustrations inspired by ai ideas from pinterest, but not draw illustrations inspired by ai stuff you generated yourself? shouldn't it be equally bad that i was once inspired by some weird ass ai generated fantasy space pod looking bed thing i found on pinterest and that i was once inspired by a weird moth mask girl i generated myself?
your understanding of "literally" and "theft" are sadly lacking in this context, but I don't begrudge you your anger at this invasive technology in what was one a solely human theater @@taki7546
had someone call me a cry baby for standing up against ai, they even linked me the ergo josh video about ai saying it was "proof", and being a big ergo josh fan i knew that i had seen it so i asked them if they even watched the video bc if they did they would know it talked about using ai as a TOOL for ARTISTS. And didn't say it was ok to STEAL art from PEOPLE that didn't consent and are not being paid. They admitted they hadn't seen the video. The amount of times i see people like ai bc they don't have to "pay" for a master piece is so frustrating bc it just shows how many idiots live in this planet and how many greedy selfish morons invade our society. It is disappointing and heart breaking, I just hope that those people grow a brain cell or two before they die so they can realize their mistakes.
Artists like him are part of the problem though. A true artist doesn’t need AI , if you just take the time out to examine the world you have plenty of inspiration all around you. And it doesn’t matter if he’s using it as a tool, the AI apps/websites still contain stolen artwork and even data so it shouldn’t be used at all for rn , same thing for photoshop
@@Healer-ms2zcso true tho
The irony is is its somewhat of Emperors New Clothes. These people are so smug and condesing about the art they generated through typing prompts "being so much better than paying for art" that they dont realize the glaring mistakes and uncannyness its filled with.
"These people hate artists or don't understand how it affects artists"
I believe it's both, these people are malicious and hostile to artists who have put a lot of years working on themselves and their skill to get recognition and great portfolio in the end, meanwhile the "AI bros" are whining that writing prompts is "too much work" and "it doesn't look as imagined", more of - society doesn't buy this excuse of an art, or course they will be angry and have no idea what being an artist with years of expirience is like.
As an AI art enthusiast I don't hate artists, and I've only encountered a few people with that attitude in the AI art communities I participate in. Hating artists is a pretty fringe attitude rather than the default.
As for people saying AI art and prompts are too hard? Nobody I know who has that attitude still does anything with AI, so I don't think they would really fit in the category of "AI bro".
I do understand that AI art has had a number of negative effects on artists, but I don't think that seeing AI training data as theft is the source of those issues is a useful way to look at it.
If AI could only be trained on art that was in the public domain, art that had been given specific permission to be used, and art created by the person using the AI art software, it would still be causing many of the same anxieties within artist communities. Strict limits on training data wouldn't fundamentally change the dynamics at play here.
@@jonathan0bergYou can look at any comment section that has at least one person talking about issues in art and there's always at least one AI bro who comes in with "cry more". It doesn't even need to be AI that's the issue, people are just unreasonably nasty to artists.
@@Mrhellslayerz I have seen what you're talking about, but I've seen similar kinds of snarky one liners from artists towards AI art enthusiasts. In either case, I don't think that these kinds of comments reflect the opinions of the majority. There are rabid fanatics in any group, and they generally shouldn't be taken seriously.
Ill be cringy for a sec if you allow: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes". If you dont get it, this is about condemning something without even questioning whether or not its a problem. Quite a lot of you are coming at it from such a reactionary angle and it baffles me. NONE of you, as artists I assume, think about nuance in this situation. NONE of you do. There are some idiots who are indeed acting like they are genuine artists when they arent, I agree. But you flat out condemn everyone using AI and everyone who thinks its not as bad or even a good thing.
BTW, Im a self taught artist. I have been drawing and improving since 2016. Recently I had a breakthrough and my arts been even better since. None of this was assisted by AI. Guess what I dabble with as a hobby in my free time, from time to time. In AI generated Art. I downloaded the leak from way back when and use my own PC. I make my own references with it and then see if a generation turns out well or not for fun. It is a very helpful tool that ANYONE should take advantage of. But yall just dont wanna do that cause yall still believe that this is all theft. Which btw, its not. I wont explain it again, you can look up my comment under the recent section as I wrote it out far more proper already and refuse to repeat myself.
Also as someone who has been doing generations after generations as a hobby and never uploaded a single piece: Prompting is a lot of work. Its a lot of time spent to look for the right prompt, the right amount of steps, the right approach, seed and even Percentage in some cases. You have no idea how indepth prompting can get. Like you legit dont. Those images you see online dont just come out after one or two clicks and a few seconds of generation. They usually are a result of a long line of generations until the person, not artist, was satisfied with the result of their GENERALIZED BRAINSCAN. Yea, AI art isnt actual art. AI nerds arent Artists unless they draw art themself. I agree. But that isnt the actual topic of the conversation here is it?
@@Vi-El I was only talking about AI bros, yet you are talking about all artists. Who's thinking with absolutes here? Sorry bro, this tl;dr was really cringe, you're right.
And I rather draw the art myself rather than deal with a kilometer long prompt only to get a result that I didn't imagine in my head and that has no artistic value. Funny enough that you assumed I never tried it.
Oh i can't wait to be finished with my graphic design training so i can ditch this burning pile for good without it effecting my grades
lmfaoooo Best of luck!
@@MohammedAgbadi
Thank you ^.^
THIS. Thankfully my college is pretty flexible so they let me use CSP for most of my projects 😂
@@wondertyzipp8260 that's a relief to hear!
For illustration specifically I'm allowed to use other programs as well as long as they can be exported as a photoshop file (thank apples) but for programs like Indesign, Premiere, AfterEffects, XD and Illustrator the rule is strictly those only and any projects made with alternatives are counted an instant 0 points
Photoshop is not the only program out there. Tons of alternatives, some of them even free.
The irony of that guy wanting artist to give up on art when AI need those art, in order to generate images...that the guy said they prefer to do...they do realise they CANT generate images if artist stop arting...
When our prince posts i kick my feet
oouuuuu with socks or nah?
@@MohammedAgbadiwith sockss
@@MohammedAgbadi🤨
@@MohammedAgbadiayo you don't know their age , it's a NO 🧐
We already knew Adobe was a money hungry creature of greed, but boy they just keep getting worse somehow XD
adobe stop exploiting artists challenge: impossible
@@MohammedAgbadi (gone wrong)
Art should be the manifestantion of our felings, not somthing that an bot can do.
bots have no feelings which is why they can't make art smh.
It can be both
@@bibule can't. bots are not creative.
Exactly! Hence it can be done after hours. :P
@@bibuleBots literally have no feelings, it can never be both
The way everyone eagerly chucked the actual artists under the bus when they thought for even a second they could replace with bots is beyond telling 😒
I left Adobe after 15 yrs, in April; csp and procreate has been great.
csp is so good fr
CSP and Krita have been a blessing.
wow,Photoshop was my go to for all the 8 years I have worked as a professional graphic designer but listen to this makes me rethink my choices of the art programs I use.
If Adobe really can't give the security for it's own users,there just no point using it anymore no matter how convenient it is
Photoshop is overrated. It is mainly for photo editing and for some reason it became a standard for graphics, too. Krita is free and has more graphic tools than Photoshop ever did, without downloading additional plug-ins, brushes and whatnot. Smoothing was introduced in Photoshop only recently, when other programs had it in their standard since a couple of years (I'd even say Photoshop was a decade behind with smoothing tool). It boggles my mind why people who paint digitally would use a photoediting program to do their work...
@@marikothecheetah9342
....sure mate.
But don't get so pumped up.
You do realize many popular artists and graphic designers use photoshop too,right?
@@dibyaudhdas1978 Dude, stop patronising me. Also, I know they do. Makes me smile but hey, their choice.
@@dibyaudhdas1978 yes, it is their choice, but still to artists who draw, photoshop is probably the worst option, it is one of the most popular, but still it is bad for artists when compared to cheaper/free alternatives
I always appreciate the fact that you put in your own subtitles ❤ yt cc tend to be a little off sometimes :)
thankyou. it takes time but i'm glad you like them!
@@MohammedAgbadiit helps a lot
7:45 I saw this same argument with the case of voice actors with AI, there was the thing withDaphne's voice actress and several people said that they really wanted AI to replace voice actors so that they would never make money again because "they think they are too much"
besides these people don't care about artists, they really just want them to be screwed, probably people who wanted some commission for a price the artist didn't want to accept and because of that "artists think they are superior"
@@sebemmelembro2172 For context It was a non profitable project and person used AI for the voices of characters, the guy had no money to pay the og actress.
sebell WHAT ? really? Wow that's terrible
Those people don't realise if it keeps going on, ut will be like the sci fi predicted, hulans won't hace no jobs cause all remplaced by robots
And then the robots will have to fight for their rights too
capitalism ...
@@sebemmelembro2172 most vocal Ai "Artists" are blatant grifters. They only care about getting a quick profit off generated art, no passion or soul behind it.
Those reddit and twitter posts only further prove that people generally don't have compassion and only start caring if their favorite media is affected, which even then, they still lack compassion for the creators
OF COURSE they answer to Loish and no one else 🙃 I'm just happy that one of the biggest artist (and someone I admire a lot) is so against AI. She keeps having to make statements about how she doesn't support AI generated images and does not want her art used for that. It really shows that people, even companies that depend on artists, don't give a fuck about us. And that's why when my art school made me use adobe programs, I went full 🏴☠️ (shot out to my teacher for telling us where to do our 🏴☠️ stuff, she was very cool and now I use that for every adobe program I need lol)
Where do you pirate?
How do we pirate it?
😭 i would want to know how. But woo yeaahh 🏴☠️
@@landmindssoul4636 Type in "getintopc" and then add the . the C, the O, and the M. (I'm saying it like this so that RUclips doesn't censor the link.) It miiiight be where I got my pirated version of Photoshop (and it has a lot of other nice programs too), if I did pirate it, and for legal purposes.... I'm not saying I did. lol
@@bendemare5270 Type in "getintopc" and then add the . the C, the O, and the M. (I'm saying it like this so that RUclips doesn't censor the link.) It miiiight be where I got my pirated version of Photoshop (and it has a lot of other nice programs too), if I did pirate it, and for legal purposes.... I'm not saying I did. lol
You know what's worse? Adobe actually hired Kris Kashtanova to be Adobe's Sr. Creative Evangelist. I'm not even joking; it's like they worship the person that keeps using Zendaya's likeness without consent and permission for their crappy "comic book". It's bizarre and ridiculous.
No, please, not that person...
@@Oneirax Unfortunately, yes😖 A huge betrayal to real artists.
Lol what a joke I’m screaming she couldn’t even come up with a different name 😆
Just remember. If Adobe needs to downsize. She's probably the first to get the boot
Huh, who the hell is her?
AI art is spamming everywhere and has (imo) had a huge impact on the decentralization of the art community online. Deviantart, ArtStation, Pinterest, Instagram, Twitter, etc. are so clogged up with AI art that the actual art community has one foot out the door on all of these platforms. I've been watching up and coming commentary (on youtube) discussing this homelessness effect for the art community and the attempts to forecast where we'll rehome ourselves just so I can get an idea of where we're headed.
it's even flooding commercial places where I live. They just put AI generated images everywhere for publicity it is very disgusting and sad.. they don't even fix it
@@tressymart I saw a billboard ad the other day that was just one of those gender-swap filters… I can’t believe it was actually approved. 😭
Convincing you to leave Twitter is the one good thing AI can do.
Youre wasting your time as an artist by being on a platform for people who love the taste of Elon Musk's shoes.
There is a pretty surefire way to tell if something is AI generated just by looking at it. First you have to look for anything glaringly AI made, next you look for small details that look off, after that check hands. But the method that trumps all is looking for intent and vibe, sadly though, this method can only really be effectively used by artists who know what they are doing. You have to look for intent in the piece. For example: the cat standing on a castle AI image in this vid has 2 eyes, one has a highlight, while the other doesn't. There are 2 things you can point out from this: one is that no one would consciously choose to do that in their work, it's just too cool to put highlights in both eyes and even if an artist did want to have the same effect, it would have been executed differently. The second thing you can notice is that AI doesn't understand art; it takes different pieces and puts them together like a mushy puzzle, you couldn't find a good example of AI displaying fundamentals or knowledge of light sources.
There's also a sort of fuzziness that AI art can often have that's really apparent when you look at the eyes of a character. You can see that image, look at the eyes, and if your eyes don't focus on any part of the drawing around the face or just in general, there is a good chance that it's AI. (AI tends to mess up eyes too if you look closely)
Also look for weird skin tones, AI often messes up darker skin tones and it often feels as if there are multiple skin tones layered and used together in an odd way.
Looking for all these things is a great way to distinguish real art from AI. And at the end of the day, AI art is like giving a toddler professional ish art ability without any knowledge, or understanding of what art is.
Have a good day and I hope this helps!!
(Leave any other tips in the comments)
This is also why same face syndrome needs to be talked about more. True artist knows how to draw anything in any style and still makes it look decent. Ai only regurgitates the same looking generic crap with random butterflies, or random objecys floating around
@@amandak.4246 oh I didn't know that. Well I think we have programs that can are good at spotting it, right?
AI tends to do a lot of distorted pixels and an overly detailed look that is so common with these images
@@amandak.4246 I’m still seeing a lot of weird hands. It seems to be good with common positions, the kind for which there are lots of images to learn from (e.g. hands on hips). Not so good with all the non-standard ones.
I see weird hands too
it's so hard to go through pinterest without seeing ai art too :(
We're in depth of artist hell.
😭😭😭
I just remembered a quote today that fits here: "The old road will lead you to Hell, and in that gaping hole we will find our redemption."
- The Ancestor, Darkest Dungeon
What's worse is the AI bs isn't only affecting illustrative artists. Companies are buying licenses to use generative AI and putting script writers, copywriters, translators, newsreporters, voiceactors, and authors out of work, because their actual time and skill costs money.
We're very quickly approaching a situation where only menial labour jobs are on offer for actual humans, because the robots to do those are too slow and cost too much compared to a human paid under minimum wage
At the same time though, this isnt new with AI.
The internet is so fucking ass because so many corporations rather just get stale and sterlized squarespace templates than pay someone to make somthing unique.
RUclips is part of that problem, look at RUclips in 2014 compared to now and weep. It has become so corporate and devoid of personality even in the UI.
the part that it's most heartbreaking is artists (including adobe stock contributors) closing their own shops and/or giving up to work as a artist because of what adobe and other companies are doing
many persons, not just artists, are homeless or almost homeless because they lose their job to AI and greed people, that's sad
while generative AI is unethical now it's possible to fight back, but my biggest fear is that if AI ins't banned or limited (like, limiting quantity of works and used on training) and turns ethical, we'll could be stuck on a spotify situation
i hope all this situation get resolved soon...
talking more specifically about adobe situation...
i'm not a lawyer and not from US, but from what i know AI imagens aren't copyrightable, so when adobe sell those imagens on their platform, that's literally scam
adding that + artists robbed + adobe stock robbed (and this part is worse to adobe because that can be considered break of contract) = adobe should be sued
about adobe stock contributors, they were robbed too, the majority don't know their work is on firefly
i wonder if they don't sue them because adobe is a big company and/or lack of money (in this last case it's possible if they do a "vakinha" on internet)
and, if you think what adobe did is bad now, probably you don't saw what adobe did say on congress about copyright (basically they want a style to have copyright, so them and other companies could have all those works rights)
artists, if it's possible, don't use adobe products and use others products (like krita, procreate...) and glaze all your works (glaze can protect your works)
What’s glaze?
@@Dave102693 glaze is a program that can protect your work, it turns harder from being scraped
it's not a 100% protection but it's useful, it really works
it's like a "poison" to the AI
it's so useful that pro-AI people hate glaze
@@Dave102693 I imagine they meant a watermark, by the "vakinha" I imagine they are Brazilian and didn't know the word for it and used a translator, may be wrong though.
Spotifys ethics issue predates music streaming.
Its ran by some of the biggest major labels.
They have been scamming actual artists since their inception, instead letting most of their sales go into the pocket of their ceos.
Same with the faking of popularity (every official playlist being Drake in like 2017? I think) - this was a scandal in the 30s (Payola) - the inception of commercial radio. Its been an open secret since.
The past year or so with AI has REALLY screwed over artists. People steal sketches, run them through an AI, and claim them as their own. People use AI to near perfectly replicate the style of an artist and sell the results. Websites have seen MASSIVE floods of people uploading AI image after AI image, to the point where if you don't have a blacklist set up, 60%+ of what you see now is AI schlock. This is what happens when we just give everybody and their mother unrestricted access to this type of stuff.
I don't know if AI should be restricted, and I don't think it should be paywalled more than it already is in a lot of cases, but there REALLY need to be rules cracking down on its usage. Websites need to have ways to filter out AI stuff if they don't already. Hell, turn it on by default instead of requiring a blacklist to be in place. More people need to be upfront about using AI and websites that have tags need to make sure it's tagged properly. There should be limits in place on how many uploads an account can make per day using "AI" tags in order to control the deluge. SOMETHING needs to be done about this all.
The generator software definitely needs to have a standardized 'AI dogwhistle' in its metadata.
I just need a replacement for After effects and I'm out of Adobe. Also as an animator and character designer... I think it's time to study another career :(. It's just hard to imagine that we can stop this shit train.
Please don't stop making animation and characters. There will still be people who love human-made stuff and also artists can come together to make more independent studios to make animation
Hey man, just because Adobe is an obstacle here doesn't mean you should give up. There are plenty of Photoshop and Illustrator alternatives that I use, so why shouldn't After Effects? Also, most people will still love handmade animation & art, and will continue to do so, despite AI art existing. So, please don't give up yet!
I think at this point, new companies need to be created that focuses on not using AI. I'm also boycotting netflix because they are about to rely on AI and I support writers and artist.
@@lovers8811ok i'll boycott netflix too then
All the AI generated shows will just be awful social engineering BS anyway. Real ideas will be censored if humans are stopped from producing art.
Funny enough, after watching this, I’m feeling positive that all this AI art crap will be over soon, just like the way NFTs disappeared. There’s not enough passion to sustain AI art. Just money hungry cheaters and scammers (who’ll get tired and move on to something else eventually).
I hope so, too! It’s like pottery… people do still pay for handmade, beautiful pieces because they can see and sense the difference. Mass produced stuff exists, but humans enjoy art and unique things for a reason. Still, the majority of pottery is mass produced so it’s a worrisome comparison for illustrators… 😢
@@jackalopexjackalope9870 yeah I understand you, but the thing is most people consume art in form of IP .ie. OCs, comics/manga, concept art, animation.etc. You can’t mass produce that. Each piece has to be a unique one. Now, with AI art, I’ve seen a lot of AI art accounts on IG, but if you look at what they do, it’s just fan art of some popular character in one particular, repetitive style, even when they switch from cel shading to a more rendered style, it still looks the same relatively, people get tired of that, as opposed to how human artists evolve with their style. People will just get tired (including the AI art gurus).
I can feel it😂
@@mosopearts until they combine the ai art generators with the ai text generators and we’ll have horrifying soulless comics, right? 😂🤣 Prayinf for a non-Skynet future!
@@jackalopexjackalope9870 😂😂I really hope it doesn’t come to that.
The backround music in the start made me so serious i got scared but then the usual happy music made me calm down
hahahha
Ok another comment: we should all come together to troll adobe. First off: disconnect from the internet when using any adobe product and never save anything on the cloud, only save locally. When you DO use internet connection and cloud saving, start wrongly tagging everything you make with adobe products, draw offensive stuff then tag it with normal words, draw as terribly as you possibly can, make it look like some kid playing with mspaint, put huge ugly watermarks all over your drawings, bonus points if your watermarks contain offensive words or symbols, alter the colors and contrast and blurriness so that it looks absolutely horrible, pixelate it into oblivion, draw ugly cartoony hands then tag it with "hand, realistic, realism"
But most of all: never pay for adobe products ever again. If you really really need adobe for something that can't be done by any other software, just yohoho and a bottle of rum.
Bro that's brilliant
Bro that's actually gold
Damn that's good Idea 😂😂😂😂
I like the way you think.
Adobe art can look like a 14 year old schoolboy's textbook covered in naughty pics. 😂. Could we label the pictures using disruptive coding? Would that work?
It’s incredible to see how much people disrespect artists and their work when everything around us needs a creative process to even be made in the first place. Unbelievable
it'd be cool if all artists had a closed group where AI can't even copy and then see what those people who wished ill on artists say after that
It seriously sucks because if AI was replaced with a person, we would all sue them for copyright infringement
Glaze is a wonderful program. And its free
The guy who said he doesn’t want to pay artists because they’re scammers, but is totally willing to give his money to a soulless machine that doesn’t eat, sleep, has no responsibilities, has no legal authority over the work and is merely a siphon for the scammer on the other end says a lot about where we’re going.
Where human beings, who need money to survive and function in society, don’t deserve it, but the soulless automaton that stripped their work for parts, won’t use the money and has no overall need for it, does.
The hate for artists is real.
I think the moral of the story here is don't form a parasocial relationship with the art program you use. I'm not at all surprised that Adobe is doing this, and even Clip Studio Paint, the program I use, has become pretty scummy with it's subscription model. AI is apparently the future in the eyes of these companies and a lot of people who just want art quick and don't care about the hard work and soul that goes into it. I'm going to continue trudging along and enjoying what I do, but I do hope newer artists aren't discouraged by this bleak and greedy approach companies like Adobe are taking.
Wait...everyone wasn't already pirating Adobe products?
Oh dear god.. I have a gigantic problem, in my art school we NEED to buy Adobe no matter what and I REALLY don't wanna get my art stolen. Save me from this hellhole. 😭😭
Pirate
The whole AI trend sometimes does just make me wanna give up art, I've always loved art as a way to decompress and to give life to all the ideas in my head, and it's something I've wanted to make a career out of since I was a kid, but now it seems like an impossibke career cause anything I could ever make won't be seen as "good" compared as to something someone makes with AI
I mean yeah that is a fair take. I loved to mess around with hundreds of krita brushes, painting, messing around. I loved to just see what i could draw with it and create. But even before ai, only 10% of people could make a above 1,000$/month 10,000$/yr+ income. IT was like top 1% commission artist income.. next to a mcwage after the fight for 15$ movement going from 7000$->15000$/yr.
Everyone loves drawing, it's theraputic, it's fun, it's fun to learn brushes, and if you're your own market, you can draw what you love, have fun doing artfights instead of making it about money, do art trades, maybe even play as the characters or find people who love to trade art all year long. And who wants to do a ai art fight? Defeats the whole point.
Meanwhile, to make a living on it. Ai isn't great for it sure, but it turned a field only 10% of people could live in, to a field only 5% could live in. THat's awful for the 10%. But it was always a field 90% of people could never live in. Sometimes you have to have a dayjob first to have a passion first. And that's fine. Life moves on.
(Plus to be frankly honest, drawing what you WANT to draw.. vs what people PAY to draw (10$ for sfw.. barely any bites once a year.. 250$ for degenerate fat/fetish yick stuff.. yick..).. But.. for some reason.. with art.. All the cutesy stuff you want to draw sometimes never pays unless you're hugely famous for sfw. It's not uncommon to see sfw take 10 years to only get 16 views for extremely talented pieces.. and someone's nsfw pokemon tracing to get 350 views, next to a eyeless ai funko pop getting 3500 views.)
The promotion algorithms reward clicks, comments, posting activity, and can't see what they're promoting. And for some fucked up reason.. I guess eyeless funko pops and eyeless ai are getting all the love. But if anything, i might just shift from hobby into more for fun. Dayjob with art trades, maybe draw yourself characters to use, play with, have fun, etc.
Otherwise making a living off fun drawings was always a 90% pipe dream even before ai.. and even the people who made it usually got bankrupted off one us healthcare visit wiping 20 years of saving in one 50,000$ er visit.. While getting to die painfully of cancer, slowly and awfully. That was enough to have a panic moment and realize doing what you wanted wasn't enough. You had to earn enough to pay for western healthcare and afford to feed a family too.
Sometimes doing a career out of something you want isn't always the best choice.
Art career was already place for people well known or people that knew how to get well known, and those who weren't, were facing many crisis's sure some were able to get on top after few years or a decade but not everyone can.
Tbh I've kinda given up on art because the effort started seemingly meaningless
Like I can never draw or paint anything good, and anything I put effort into goes unnoticed
I had been taking a community college course in graphic design while working full time. Since the majority of the required classwork in that and other colleges in my area makes us use Adobe programs, the possibility of my work being scraped for AI training is making me seriously reconsider continuing with the certification.
draw a fuck ton of art with really wonky/awful proportions and wait
This is why I feel like AI should only really be used to generate ideas for those that have art/writer's block (such as online idea generators), but instead they completely replace what artists can do and it sucks-
Eliminate it altogether.
I have used AI once while writing my story, and while it was interesting, and I was inspired to rewrite the rhe chapter, however I didn't use a single line from the AI itself.
Someone within rhe writing forum I frequent once described AI writing as information shaped sentences. It doesn't understand, it just puts together pieces of things.
@@ImTakingYouToFlavorTownthat’s 100% true
This is why I sometimes wonder if I could use an ai to bounce ideas around
@@ImTakingYouToFlavorTown Precisely- I've done something like this too where I had it write me a prompt idea that I could make a story with- I can write my own story, but sometimes I need ideas- However, I don't use a single word from the idea- I just use it as a base for "Oh hey, that looks neat, let's make a story with this idea-"
So recently I got a comment on my art where I made a fanart of a game character and posted in the game group accusing me for using AI while criticizing some of the character features look “disabled”. I was… I have mixed feelings. Does that mean I’ve come far and good enough that my work resembles AI art?
After a few replies justifying that I actually spend blood tears and a week of my life painted that, that person turned “So you’ve spent a lot of time on this and it got less likes than AI art?” that fcker I honestly can’t
9:35 Damn, that sucks. That just means the artists who've had their art stolen from the most now cant even share their artwork like this without getting flagged or banned.
I knew it was going to be like this, which is why I switched to other programs the instant they went to subscription. I wish more artists had joined me way back then. The only thing I couldn't have predicted back then was how they were going to screw artists over.
I remember when they came out with CC and I immediately picked up the CS6 bundle. Years later, when I had to change computers and reinstall CS6, I had to escalate my support ticket to *level 7 support* to actually talk to a person and force them to let me re-download the programs I owned. On top of that, I had to listen to a never-ending tirade of "Why not upgrade to CC????"
I wish so too. The whole subscription based model for nearly everything now is just getting ridiculous. It's just perpetual renting at this point. You own nothing.
you can't doubt that adobe Is one of the companies of all time.
yep. definitely one of the companies of all time.
@@MohammedAgbadi😂😂
I think you missed a word there😁
@@mosopeartsIs that you in the pp? You're so pretty
@@bendemare5270 wow thank you 😊
This ai stuff is making it all the more important to support indie projects. Fuck companies, they only care about making money.
I guess you thought they work without profit in mind? That is the point of capitalism and investing.
May I see your F word pass?
Now I can see why I go pirating stuff when comes to Art platforms i needed.
lmfaoooo
Do you know how?
@@madisongeronimo6859 Yup!
There's no excuse to pirate software when there are so many free programs out there to do just about anything art, animation and video related.
Don't you dare to call your art average! Your pieces are wonderful and really high-level ones❤
Thank you so much! 🥺
I used to be sad about using ibis paint. But all of a sudden, I feel thankful!
I feel AI art will actually die down soon. Hopefully atleast
hopefully.....
It won’t and it shouldn’t
@@chaserseven2886 it very much should
@@chaserseven2886why? You do realize that in order for AI art to function, it needs real human art, right?
@@GreenRasqberriesignore this troll, they dont love art, they love money and wants to get rwcognition from people. Unlike them, We artist doing art because we love it
Thankfully as someone that always uses free programs (for money reasons) I have literally no attachment to Adobe and can just laugh as they continue to shoot themselves in the foot. Their decisions just recently alone is the equivalent of trying to win a jenga game by only removing pieces from the bottom row.
So we are just taking artist art now, Adobe? Have they done ANYTHING right this year???
apparently not i guess
They haven’t done anything good in years
I have a feeling that most big companies, like adobe or nvidia, do not have people running their media accounts. So if you get a reply from bigger companies, it's most likely a LLM(Large Language Model) or in other words a ChatGPT type chatbot.
The company may or may not get a notification that someone had a reply or concern after the "ChatGPT" response. However, it just dumps the complaint into a response bin for who or what ever reads/parses it next..
This is sort of statement than a response to the video. Some people are still fans of "Y" software from Adobe. So, I just wanted to make it clear when Adobe "talks" to you or their "fans". It's very much possible that you're just talking to a bot and not a person.
Took them long enough. I'm surprised that Adobe locking them out of the older versions that Adobe made free, and claiming that they were pirating weren't enough to piss them off.
It feels so hard to be an artist nowadays. Art has been my biggest lifelong passion, and it pains me to see people bastardize our craft like this. Imagine generation will never be art. But hey at least all the greedy companies are legally unable to copyright any of the garbage they generate so I doubt it'll become commonplace
damn, ny art program really looks very attractive right now. MS Paint for the win!
but the art program (which turned out too big for my laptop), krita, i hope doesn't go down the same way. i just use it to transparent my artworks right now. everything else is outta the window (literally).
I'm currently in school for animation/video game graphics and this makes me feel so deflated. It's my dream, my passion and I don't want it to die but I'm scared there won't be a job for me come graduation in three years.
As stated by you and many, it all boils down to this: People in general don' care as long as they get to consume content, and convenience is better than supporting the artists who have given them something to make their minds wonder off in their boring lives. Add that the contempt of some for not having something someone else has, and you get the straight up artist hater, which is a condensation of all things wrong in a person.
i had gotten ads from adobe and seeing them promote ai gave me so much relief because i never trusted them as a hardcore krita user, and i never regretted not using adobe products.
stop exploiting artists, they're already struggling to make a living, and now this. please leave them alone 😭
Damn, and I already hated adobe before this haha. It was annoying to have to deal with adobe just for university...
I'm really happy with the affinity suite. They have graphic design, illustration, image manipulation, and publishing covered. If they make animation tools in the future, I'm buying them on the spot.
I took all my best work off instagram and artstation and only left sketches and concept arts up. I haven't posted since AI became a thing. Just fuck AI so hard. I refuse to post my art online ever again. I want to go back to pre-internet times where people view art in art galleries instead. I talked with one art gallery and when I said I had deleted my instagram pretty much they ghosted me... WTF. Art doesn't have to be reliant on internet IMO.
That's weird because you ca' still show a portfolio of your art, you don't have to have it online .It is weird that they ghosted you
My employer pays for Adobe and a while back I watched an Adobe presentation talking about Firefly, and the chat was FULL of people asking about the ethics of this program, and shock of all shocks, the presenters didn't say a damn word about ethics and just used Firefly to produce a terrifying cartoon cupcake with giant eyes. The entire chat declared the cupcake cursed while the presenters lied through their teeth and called it cute.
Thats even more hilarious to be honest.
So in the presentation, to avoid the ethics discussion they just created basically shitty clipart using AI?
@@eightcoins4401 they cherry picked the very few questions they answered on air, then told viewers to follow up with some email address they showed very quickly if there were any more questions. the cherry picked questions were of course along the lines of 'hello, I'm not a plant! wow what an incredible service! can i do x, y, z with firefly?'
Man.. It's getting really hard to start nor continue art career these days... I'm slowly making progress in deviantart before the whole ai issue started...
It's pretty heartbreaking...
I wonder for how long would small artists will have to struggle until this whole thing end...
Thank you for adding subtitles on your videos. A tiny small request.. Can you make then itsy bitsy bigger? 😁
Yeah the whole situation is just tiring for me now. I remembered having a burning passion for art but now it's just... Impossible to have a passion. I gave up on my illustrator dreams and basically made it my hobby at this point. Hoping to be a nuclear scientist in the future now.
I’ve had a ton of training on Adobe software‘s over the last 1 1/2 decades and I find the situation to be so sad because frankly I don’t want to have to learn other software 😢 why are they Gotta do this?! I have never pirated any other software this entire time I am still paying for their subscription, but I can’t in good conscience keep supporting every single mistake they make without them caring one iota 😥 it’s genuinely very difficult to find software as powerful as theirs is for all the stuff I use it for ☹️
I checked on your channel and got so hyped when I saw a new post lol, I’m glad you are talking about this situation.
Preach 🙏
I couldn't find other comments saying this still it might be just my problem, but the BGM was too loud throughout the video. I made do with your subtitles though so thank you
It should be said no business big as adobe or CEOs with 10 or 100s million dollar salary has EVER earned their money ethically or with good old hard work.
Who knows if it actually works, but you can go to your Adobe account, privacy and personal data, and then toggle "Content analysis" off. Supposedly it stops them from scanning your work.
I'm not really affected by this, since my art isn't good enough for AI to steal, and I never use Adobe stock or AI stuff to begin with. But this is still real messed up. I remember when I started getting prompts to try out AI beta in Illustrator. I tried it for some recolours and man... they were BAD. I haven't touched it since, figuring I'd be better off without the AI "help"
I wonder if the AI was always trained on stolen work, or if they started stealing after they realised how crap the beta was
This is good. I like that companies are laying off artists and replace them with AI. This means that artists will have to congregate and do it by ourselves instead of working for companies that exploit the artist. We are going to have to get together and build companies by our own, let the big legacy animation studios, the big game companies die as we build a new market by our own. Right now AI is full bottle necks that cannot overcome because AI is not truly AI, instead is a composite image generator.
Autonomy! Soveraignty ! Autosuffisance! ANARCHY ❤
@@bendemare5270 I agree with everything you've said, except for anarchy. I want my private property because I have love ones to protect, anarchy as a social system does not recognize private property and community living without walls is exposure to the human nature that can horribly dangerous, this is the reason why we don't welcome every single homeless or poor into our houses, because we fear the human nature. I am from colombia and Ive seen anarchy in colombia back in the 80s and 90s and it was a scary thing as a social experiment. The messed up things that happened with the "ocupas" in Spain. I think anarchy is a very dangerous experiment that not even animals in the wild use.
I think this is why AI needs regulation from a Govermental level, we can't trust individual companies to not steal artwork and use it to train their AI systems, it's going to keep on happening and then they will sell that ai artwork back. It's a win, win for them.
Voice cloning (and not in the Vocialoid way) image stealing, deepfakes, and half ass rotoscoping and ai writing all needs to go!
I’d like to offer an extension to your point about the guy that hoped artists would give up in the face of AI: if no more humans make art, the AIs will have to iterate on what they themselves are making. To illustrate that ironic tragedy with a microcosmic example, they won’t be getting any better and will probably get worse at hands if they are forced to learn only from themselves.
AI don’t just need humans to write them and run them, they need humans to give them input or they can’t learn anything, and fail before they start.
Imagine a boycott larger than that against Adobe. It may be impossible, but what if a year was set aside as “A Year without Art”, where no art was produced. It might have the nasty effect of accidentally promoting the use of AI, but on the other hand the statement that makes would be remembered for the next millenium. Never before would so many creatives have gone silent, a literal void. Probably a bad idea but it moves me to think about it.
That would be something for the history books of the future. I would wholeheartedly support it to the best of my ability. People wouldn't even have to stop making art, just stop sharing them. And that includes all form of art where its makers are being disadvantaged by the AI.
I haven't looked at an adobe product in years, because they don't make any. They run a subscription based service. Once I couldn't own the license and had to basically rent the program, I got out. There are too many alternatives.
I'm going to assume that this makes about two months of a difference before everybody just goes with it and keeps giving them money. Like with the whole "I'm leaving Netflix for password sharing bs" followed by Netflix getting thousands of new subscriptions. Go ahead, prove me wrong.
It's always "Twitter artist backlash" and not "adobe stocks plummet as people actually do something instead of complain".
Photoshop - Krita, GIMP
Illustrator - Inkscape
After Effects - Blender
Premier - DaVinci Resolve, Kdenlive, Blender
Lightroom - RawTherapee, Darkroom
Substance Designer - MaterialMaker, Blender
Substance Painter - Armor Paint, Blender
Substance Modeller - Blender
I watch your videos every now and then, bc i like art tea but I'm not an artist. Can I just say this is my first time seeing your art and it's so freaking cute??? I love it
Mohammeds" average" drawing got me feelin things😳, but that aside kinda sucks that no one respects artists works,Im an average artist, even tho Im still on my journey and I have yet to learn about digital art,Im kinda scared that as soon as I become good at digital art along with other artists I and/or we are gonna not matter and all of our hard work we'll be wasted,Im just hoping that doesnt happen and ppl will appreciate artists hard work more cuz we need more than ever🙏!!!!
Adobe is industry standard. Even if you want to boycott it the most you can do is, as you mention, pirate it. So artists pirate it causing Adobe to not count them as customers anymore. Now they're going to sell to the non-artists that want to use Adobe and their AI tools, eventually making so that the biggest customer base is not artists but AI users, giving them the incentive to prioritize AI users over artists. There's no way artists will come out on top of this. I feel for them, eventually all jobs are probably going to go away.
OMG my phone froze at 7:26 but I thought it was an edit that you did for dramatic affect 😂😂😂
The actual question is why the German Agentur für Arbeit is not suing the shit outta Adobe for stealing their logo.
Like srsly literally the same fucking logo, every German who just dropped outta school is scared of that shit.