Practicing 3 Hours Worth in 30 Minutes? Carl Flesch's Urstudien
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Carl Flesch was a Hungarian violinist and teacher and, before Ivan Galamian, probably the most influential and important violin teacher in the world.
While his most important and influential writings are his "The Art of Violin Playing" series and his Scale System, he also wrote a very interesting little booklet entitled "Urstudien" or "Basic Studies."
Contrary to what the name implies, these are not beginner exercises, but instead exercises intended to upkeep a professional violinist's technique if, for whatever reason, they aren't able to find enough time to practice properly. The entire book can be completed in no more than 30 minutes. The real question is then, of course: How well does it work? Is really possible to condense a violinist's practice time into 30 minutes a day?
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Hi there, Ken here. I am a 64 year old retired professional concert level violist who was also a principle in several groups. I have also taught hundreds of kids and adults. I am also a composer, and at one time a cathedral choirmaster and organist. Yes, I was that busy! Anyway, in my life, I discovered that starting out on simple double-stops first, then scales makes a whole lot more sense. Why? Because double-stops train your ear and muscle memory to play IN TUNE! Otherwise, practicing scales (out of tune) is a waste of valuable time. One should practice the octave (0 - 3) first, then add the 4th finger (4 - 0) with above open string, then the 4 - 1 octave - string below. This "sets" the left hand for other double-stops. Next comes 1 - 4 in third position. Why? Because you can then check your first finger against the below open string. Then next comes the 1 - 4 in fourth position checking your first finger against the open string above. Understand the logic? In this way the player (violin and viola) leans not only to play in tune, but becomes familiar with four positions. Later the player should tackle the half-step octaves above the first finger in first position and below the first finger in third position. Then comes the scale in octaves! By now, the player has trained their ear to play scales IN TUNE! SIMPLE DOUBLE-STOPS SHOULD ALWAYS COME FIRST BEFORE SCALES. I am amazed that all these great teachers didn't start things off this way. Instead they stressed checking notes in double-stops as you play scales. Scales are for three things: 1 - velocity, 2 - for learning to play passages and patterns in a position and 3 - for shifting. I studied with MANY great teachers, conductors and musician from all over the world. Well Ken, what about finger independence? Both double-stop and scales cover that.
I've never heard this method before but it makes a lot of sense. I will try it with my beginning orchestra class tomorrow, thanks!
This is the way I learned I'm 74 and I still do it everyday
Is there a book that has you go through this method?
I am writing such a book.@@MattB90
@@SarumChoirmaster I hope to purchase it one day!
I'm a bit late, but this video is utterly brilliant. Thanks for this concise and informative video, I really appreciate people like yourself who put so much effort into what could be considered a "niche" part of RUclips.
Just found your channel, and I love it! You’re straight forward and don’t hold back, nice qualities to have.
Much appreciated!
Great exercise! These finger movements are also illustrated by Menuhin in his book/video. BTW Carl Flesch The Art Of Violin Playing is a very popular book in Chinese violin learning students.
It's been a long time since I've read much of Menuhin's stuff. Most of it was more philosophical than technical, but he had a great mind and I greatly enjoyed his writings. Flesch, aside from the famous scale book, doesn't get enough attention these days. His Art of Violin Playing is an incredible wealth of knowledge. Should be required reading for anyone who wants to be a serious violin teacher.
Please, please, please do a similar video about Dounis’ Daily Dozen! Great video as always, thanks so much!!!
I look into it! I'm not really familiar with Dounis', but I've certainly heard a lot about it. I'll look into it! Thanks for the suggestion!
Great video!
Thanks man! How’ve you been?
Hey man ! u r great !
+Murphy Music Academy I was looking for someone to touch on this, and you're the only one. I don't play your instrument, or the style of music you play. That said, I've had a grand obsession with the idea of challenging yourself so much in your practice, that you can do get more out of a shorter period of time than most would get out of a significantly longer period of time. My reason for wanting to do this isn't so that I don't have to practice long, but to be able to climb higher heights over the course of my life, than I would if I had a more conventional, less intensive practice regimen.
I heard about Leopold Auer many years ago from an ancient Bohemian violin teacher from Milwaukee. I thought he was talking about "Leopold Hour," practicing for an hour. Can you give some cello tips to turn 3 hours into 30 minutes? I'm getting old, have a long list of health issues and have to reduce my practice to 30 minutes a day, + piano another 30 minutes a day. I've been using Dotzauer for decades. I'm on my last book, next to last etude. I've been using Klengel for scales, recommended by a cello teacher and principle cellist of our symphony.
Thank you. I have been learning by myself these past 3 years to play violin 🎻 what books can you recommend for beginner intermediate adults?
Hi. Is everything you discuss applicable to viola? And wish you did cello too.
Took me long enough to figure out violin, haha. I'd definitely search out someone who has my passion, but is a cellist. I'm sure they are out there. As for the viola, basically, yes, these could also be done, but I'd take his warnings about taking breaks to let the blood flow back into your hands and arms even more seriously.
Tobiah, how come you took down your video on obscure but interesting violin concertos? Wanted to see that again.
Hello Richard! I hope you are doing well!
I unlisted it as I wasn't 100% satisfied with how it came out and that it didn't get many views. I'm not quite as experienced or skilled with making that kind of video, and while I might try again in the future, I decided that it was best to curate a library of more polished public-facing videos on my channel. It is unlisted, however, so you can still watch it here: ruclips.net/video/R31yS_ea2R8/видео.html
@@MurphyMusicAcademy Thanks!
Hello, thanks for the video, new subscriber here. Been 4 months since I learned violin , just wonder if you know easy practice repertoire (etudes or other) for beginner. Thanks a lot !
edit : and should I practice the book on this video daily? for how long?
i suppose by now you are already playing some Wohlfardt etudes. if not, you could start with op.45, the entire book. from there you can go the standard route: kayser, then mazas book 1, then kreutzer. or if you don't know which order of etudes to do (because the books aren't exacly in progressive order) you can go directly to a collection of etudes, like Seybold etude collection or Crickboom. they order the etudes by difficulty, so you can literally spend your entire life on one entire collection from start to finish without worring too much about which book of etudes to try. its all there for you in order.
@@ElsweyrDiego i see, thanks so much for the recommendations
Thank you sooo much ...can you send for me pdf carl flesch?
It's on IMSLP
Hi
How can I get this book as pdf?
I want it
Do you have it?
imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/9/9c/IMSLP97297-PMLP200065-FLESCH_Urstudien_1911.pdf
Since they don't sound good even if played in tune and are hard to play in tune I'd imagine someone not very advanced in their development of relative pitch is going to do more harm than good by practising them, right?
Yeah, my recommendation in the video was, if you are a very advanced player, it’s good book to have around, but if you are even advanced-intermediate then don’t bother. The point of the book is maintenance through repeated motions, not to improve your playing. Still, a very interesting booklet and a very interesting concept!
Auer seems specifically against holding the violin by pressing one's chin which is definitely opposed to modern players styles. This means that it is impossible to leave the thumb off the violin. Even Augustin Hadelich (my favourite violinist) uses a foam to help him support the violin off from the left hand. He says that he only holds the violin by left hand occasionally and most of the time is from the chin and foam under the cloth. Even for bach pieces
That doesn't really explain Oistrakh, or Perlman, or Heifetz, or countless other modern players that didn't use foam or their chin
@@jimmierustler5607 except oistrakh did use a pad to support his violin. Why does Perlman not use any pads or foam? Look at the size of his friggin hands and his general body physique.
Leopold Auer taught in St.Petersburg and not in Moscow
That is correct, my mistake