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I feel like software engineering is more just directed towards programming and computer science is more generic, not just software development, but AI, machine learning, etc. Computer science is more math & science, but it will strengthen your logical thinking/problem-solving skills, which is required for software development. Just in case you get tired of programming, you can do something else with your degree.
As a person who finished both Computer Science and Software Engineering, as well as working as a software engineer, I strongly agree with you and personally believe computer science is a better option and produces better software engineers in general
I am a software engineer, and looking at the CS program and my own experience, I agree, CS is the best decision if you are willing to learn on your own and invest yourself in your career( I actually want a Master in CS) But software engineer has it's advantages. I had edge on a few problems because of generic engineering skills. A SE usually learns to solve problems the hard way. Starting out, it's less creativity and more efficiency, you are given a limited set of tools, a definite problem, a lot of constraints, and you have to... Well, magically solve the problem cost-effectively. Whereas CS tend to be more creative in their solutions and take time to learn a lot about what they use or need to do, SE is a lot more about rough sketching, fast prototyping etc... I've taken a completely unknown language, found 1 or 2 std functions and solved an issue! (At that point I did not even know the bare specifics of the language) This is how I've seen things in my short years of experience, my opinion, probably not universal truth, just pick the one you think will fit your lifestyle
@@LL_1077 A software engineer can architect (define the blueprint that describes a software pattern), design (construct the form that defines a software pattern), and develop (generate the code that follows a software pattern) a computer-based solution to a problem, i.e. ALL engineers can write code like a developer but most developers need further training to become engineers.
Actually my situation is quite similar to you. Before watching this "I want to pursue my degree in Computer science" After watching "I definitely should pursue my degree in Computer science"😅
Wanted to say thank you @CS Dojo for all the videos you posted, it made me want to learn more about writing computer code and I think you genuinely want to assist anyone interested in the field. Looking forward to seeing more content in the future.
First congrats on your channel blowing up so much in the last few months! I think the CS vs SE debate is highly dependent on the university. In some colleges the SE/CS tracks are basically the same, with the biggest differences in the upper level classes. The SE degree requires more electrical engineering classes and a few higher level required SE classes like software design and testing (as you mentioned in the video). Some of the higher level SE classes you'll certainly learn in your first year out of college. You could also take those same classes in the CS degree as electives. Some Universities don't even offer a SE program, just CS. I think it's only been in the last 5-10 years universities have started offering a software engineering degree, in addition to their computer science degree. In some cases the SE degree is just a watered down version of the CS degree. I guess it all comes down to looking at the requirements and understanding the difference. In most instances you'll be fine either way, although I still say CS is the way to go.
Joe Boxter, you really have no idea what you are talking about. The basis of a CS education is for one, understand Computer Architecture, understand the construction and analysis of algorithms (someone who is self-taught does not understand algorithmic efficiency), Understand the construction of an Operating System, Understand the Construction of a Database, understand the construction of Computer Networks. A CS degree is quite versatile. Electives are just there to help one pursue what they are interested in specializing in. A CS degree is by NO MEANS "a coding degree". We utilize code as a means of implementing an algorithm or a series of steps to solve a difficult problem. CS teaches one how to be a problem solver. A lot of what you do with your spare time as a CS student is "self-taught". You are not going to learn how to design an Operating System if you are "self-taught". You are no going to learn how to write firmware for an OS or some other system in C (if you are self-taught). You are not going to learn how build a system with neural networks if you are self-taught. Sorry, you need a strong Mathematical background to do the most difficult of CS jobs which is what a CS degree provides.
So are you saying that I may study computer science even to become a software engeneer.. I'm a +2 student and I need help on becoming a successful software engineer..please could u help..🙏
I knew the benefits of Computer Science degree which is why I went for it. Interestingly enough, my friend majored in Computer Engineering; she is now a software engineer at Linked-in after working as a ios developer for a while. I know somebody who was an Electrical Engineering Student who did a senior capstone similar to mine. He is now a software developer at Tektronix.
Nice overview! I’m a second year student of Applied Math and Computer Science, I think it was the right way to go, when I had to decide, because now I can study different things, like ML, distributed networks, software engineering, analytics or computer graphics.
I liked this video, especially because I'm in that stage of my life where I have to choose between CS or SE (or software developer), and I think I like more CS.
Maybe I didn't follow perfectly what he said, but it seems at 7:00 that Computer Science might be the best degree to be Job Market ready the moment you graduate. I'm lost haha... I got my letter of acceptation for both Computer Science and Software Engineering and I really struggle to make my final decision..
My view, based on someone studying a Bachelor of computer science with double major in software engineering and cyber security is that computer science just opens the door to so many fields in IT. If software engineering is the only career you want to do than great, study softeng, but computer science provides you the base to spread across many careers in technology.
Thank you so much for this video. I wish I know this years ago so I made the right choice the first time. Now I am thinking of learning new programs so I can take other path in my career. Thanks again YK :D
I think I can agree with the fact that a pure CS degree gives you more time to hone your software skills. I'm personally a computer engineering student and most of what we take is hardware in the meantime. Software engineers seem to take similar courses except a bit more biased towards software. To give you some perspective, by the time I finish my engineering degree, I could have attained a CS degree AND a masters (let alone a CS degree is generally easier to achieve and score high grades in). Looking back I think I would have gone for a CS degree instead, but I'm already 2 years in. The only upside here is I'll be very familiar with hardware and computer architecture, which would give me an advantage if I manage to keep my software skills up to par with the standard CS student. It's a lot of work but I think it'll be worth it in the end. My advice: only go engineering if you want to build a solid foundation of general knowledge, and are willing to set aside even more time to delve into specifc areas. Also, you need to be willing to sacrifice more years of your life for your degree. If you have a specific field in mind, and want to promote yourself as quickly as possible, CS is the way to go.
Daniel A Not some time, but an engineering degree takes 4-5 years, while a CS degree takes a year or two less, during which one may start and even finish a masters degree.
I will say that as a premed who studied chemical engineering instead of a traditional premed major, I am so glad that I took an engineering discipline instead of something else, for me how to think like an engineer has been the best part of my training so far. It has helped me solve many more problems than just recalling the basic sciences information or critical thinking skills I have learned in other non-engineering classes. I recommend that if there is an engineering discipline that greatly overlaps with what one is interested in, do the engineering discipline. Engineering is definitely so much more work than most other majors, but, when you compare all the learning and training you’re exposed to and can achieve in four years compared to working in your life for decades, it is so worth it. It is a great investment to take an engineering major instead of something else.
To become a software engineer: 1.) Computer Science (theoretical; software) 2.) Software Engineering (practical; software) 3.) Computer Engineering (practical; hardware) Thanks. I'm looking for conversion to CS. 👀 I'm in an IT trainee job now. Just one more thing, what about EE? My colleague did EE but he learned coding himself and he said it's a waste of money and time to get a CS degree when you can learn coding yourselves. EE is a theoretical study of hardware?
Right? Why couldn't they just combined the two branches together in college. Those people in school board they just wanted to make money as much as possible.
I have +4 years in software dev. If you want to be in software dev then software engineering. So many CS students graduate and they do not know what they need to know to get a dev job, how and IDE works, what frameworks are and how to use them. During interviews I hear from candidates “well I focused more on math and deep learning”. I don’t care and I hire the candidate that had the skills needed for the job.
Which is better CSET or CSE to become a software engineer? CSET is more hands on while CSE is more theory. If you want to look at the curriculum... it’s at the University of Toledo website.
Something that wasn’t considered in this video was the fact that engineering, in Canada, is a very “protected” profession. Essentially, you cannot call yourself an engineer unless you have graduated from an accredited “engineering” program or you have to take a bunch of tests after your degree to become an “engineer”. So, this is another reason why there is such a stringent structure for the software engineering program. All engineers have to take certain classes. (I am a Canadian engineer.)
If you study Software Engineering in Sweden in the "BTH university" it is a 3 years bachelor you study only 3 math courses: 1) Introduction to math 7.5 credits 2) Discreet mathematics 7.5 credits 3) Linear algebra 7.5 credits That will give you 22,5 credits in mathematics, the rest of your credits will be pure computer science corses such as: C++, OOP C++, databases and Web development, cloud computing, Operating systems, algorithm, computer organisation, networks and socket programing, software desgining, software testing, security. ........ And there are project courses, the university will send you to companies to test your skills there and develop something that they ask for No physics and alot of math, electronics, chemistry and alot of unnecessary, unusefull courses
@@mohd-arz it is just a college program, which isn't in university that focuses on programming. Soft. Engineering and CS don't mainly focus on programming
@@pangrey8931 Can i learn coding from online course and book instead of going to college? Because many companies didn't ask the degree!!!right Because going to college is waste of time and money they didn't teach how to become a good programmer and etc!!!
I am currently studying SE at the University of Texas at Arlington. The difference between the SE and CSE degrees there comes at the senior level courses. SE students will start taking their software specific courses like design and testing while CSE students get to pick a whole bunch of electives. There is very few differences in the two degrees before the senior level.
False. I'm currently at a T14 for CS and it's literally just all Software engineering classes ( I had to take software design and testing third year). Only difference is for CS is that we need way more pure math classes.
Thank you YK, Your explaination helped me to know about the difference between computer science and software engineering. Keep Making such informative videos.
Bro you deserve to be subscribed Keep it up its my surety one day you will cross 10 million subscribers because you are giving information very difficult and time consuming to find
In my university CS is more programming intensive also we have more courses related to Machine Learning etc. So CS is just a lot tougher, but I love it
I think it depends a lot in which country you live in. Here in Finland software engineering is harder than computer science. Most companies prefer software engineering degree here. But in the US i guess the case is different. Also in Finland it's weird not to get a master's degree if you study at a university :p
Even in Canada too, there is way more relevant knowledge in computer science because you aren't forced to take a bunch of unrelated courses just to legally call yourself an engineer
thank u cs dojo for this..... i am really interested with cs and i go with you on this decision... once again very very thank u as i was too much confused about my future studies... by seeing this video now i hv decided
Hey 100% correct ! I watched so many videos ppl trying to explain the difference but non did great job like you did. Its great you pick one university to demonstrate your point. I am a Software Engineering student in my senior year @ the heart of silicon valley. I picked Software because there is more hands on project we do and also we can do more technical elective CS classes . And like you mention most universities (95%) in US don't offer Software Engineering as Bachelor Degree. Traditionally CS is offered as BS and people take more Software courses when they do their master in CS. Universities like Stanford, UC Berkeley, MIT ... don't offer BS in Software so if anyone gets in to those universities they are most likely to go for CS ). At the end of the day both majors will take you to the same place and the odds of you landing to great job depends on your experiences, Algorithms and Data Structure skills.
In america I graduated with a degree in electrical and computer engineering with a minor specialization in CS. But after my MBA I work in private equity. Lol so no use for what I did in my undergraduate except the hardcore math skills I developed. But I did work for Microsoft for a little while before moving on to a better pay and career. I could have studied finance and gone the engineering route with CS minor. Nowadays you can relatively easily move around if you are an excellent communicator, researcher and have solid math skills. So in school and at college work especially hard on english and math courses. Take as many as you can. You'll do well in life. A friend of mine completed a degree in math with a minor in CS and he works as a software developer. So core skills are in English and math, everything else is added bonus.
@@Abdirahimahmed50001 Oh no i'm pretty sure CS has more maths. At the same time this can differ depending on where your from. I just think CS is better cause it's generally easier to get a better job that's more paying etc. Maths is also something you can improve on rather quickly. I used to hate maths and was very VERY bad at it. I just went through chapter by chapter and improved and started it love it. All within one month I was extremely good at algebra compared to my peers. Sorry if this sounds like a flex just trying to motivate those who are turned off by the mathematics that's involved in CS and coding in general! But to answer your question I think generally SE has slightly less maths so you may prefer that. Personally for me I choose CS :)
Hello cs dojo, I always thought that software engineering is a better major than computer science because software engineering has courses of management and leadership along side programin. While computer science only focuses on Math and logic without real life experience/engagement. As you said computer science is easier but the question is : which of the two majors actually prepare you for real life situations in a job?
@@xeonbladev18 I agree with your statement. Degree means no crap if it be SE or CS because what it comes down to is getting Co-op and actually having experience.
It's very interesting to me to see how the courses vary so much across colleges. The university I'm looking into (Western Governor's University) has a TON of overlap between both their software engineering and computer science majors, to the point where it's gotten pretty difficult for me to choose (can you guess why I clicked on this video?).
You have explained this so much better than others i will like and follow. Great job. Also, my goal is to live and work in canada. I really hope learning this will help me make it there
Thank you for your explanation, which I found so helpful and informative. Also, i'm studying computer science right now, so your answer delight me a little hh
Hi YK, I'm a 4th year Computer Science student from the University of Waterloo. You have a great analysis, however, Software Engineers are the ones who have a larger % of students in big 4 and unicorn companies rather than Computer Science students. I would say about 50-60% of graduating CS students can make 100k+ and about 70-80% of SE students make 100k+ and working at these companies. You are correct about everything else.
Why pick SENG over CS: 1) In Canada the word "engineer" is reserved and some industries require projects to be signed by engineers. 2) Engineers make significantly more money (on average 10-15k/year more than CS). 3) Better hire rate after degree completion. 4) You have a lot more general knowledge of business and project management. 5) Safer job prosperity, with AI code-generating tools, knowing how to design is valuable. Why pick CS over SENG: 1) It's an easier degree. 2) You take programming courses earlier in your degree which helps with co-op internships. 3) You can boost your gpa by picking easier electives. 4) Degree can be done in 3 years vs 4-5 years for SENG. 5) CS degree is cheaper than SENG. In general, in terms of courses, SENG and CS have an identical foundation. Most SENG students have as many CS-electives than CS students. The difference is that CS doesn't require you to do electrical and computer engineering courses as well as other design courses. For me, I am studying SENG and I also don't recommend it. It's way too much effort and it isn't rewarding. I'm in too deep now anyways. 1.5 more years and I am done!
It would be great to have a summary like this over the difference between, information and communication technologies and computer science at my university. I'm starting to wonder if it's worth a switch to computer science from information and communication technologies. Both are engineering programs at Lund University, faculty of engineering, Sweden.
Thank you for the video YK! A question, would you recommend or do you think it's possible for someone who had no programming background (I studied languages and business) to pursue a master's in CS? I'm taking online courses in web development and UX/UIDesign to be somewhat prepared, but of course, it's not comparable to those who studied CS for 4 years...
I now studying software engineering........at first it was really hard for me because my math sucks, but somehow i manage to hold on soooo yeahhh here i am a semester 3 software engineering students
@NILOY Bangladesh If you are a hundred percent sure that ure going into CS or SE or anything else relating to computing, try practicing even before you start U, try learning programming, practice your math, etc... If you are already in U there are always courses you can take to reinforce your math and computing skills
I'm a CS major at the University of Waterloo right now, the additional flexiblity of the degree just makes the overall uni experience a lot more fun and u can try to broaden your horizons:)
@aniga You could, but it will take lots of dedication and hard work because you won’t have the structure that university gives you. But if you’re dedicated you can do it.
Thanks Dojo for making this great video explaining about these courses.. I request you to please make another video on Mathematics and computing engineering which is quite newly introduced course in my college(Delhi Technological University). By the perspective of going into the coding domain, which subjects should I choose as electives and which areas should I focus more . There is a lot of mathematics in that course ,but the reason for me to take it up is because I wanna focus on the computing part more. Please help me out sir. Thanks and regards Aryan chauhan
I was a lead developer. Now I am a trader. My life is much better, that's a lot money for supporting my family even my relatives. 5k per day is minimum.
The funny thing is at my university, software engineering required data structures & algorithms along with digital circuits etc. And in our electives we could choose 2 out of the following 5 - machine learning, data science, embedded systems, robotics, erp systems & product management. A.I. was offered to CS people but it wasn't prohibited for s/w engg either.
Base on what my advisors suggestion, software engineering is not that will known of a degree since computer science covers that area too. Generally, Employers will most likely look for a BS in computer science. You can take core software engineering courses as an electives in computer science. This option varies depending on your university. It's interesting how they don't require discrete mathematics. It's cover graph theories which is good for sorting and searching. Recursion, probability, truth tables, proofs, and others vital concepts for engineering. I think the key here is that, you understand the concepts and are able to apply it. All Technological studies are almost identical. I prefer the most well known degree since employer will be looking for that. Keep in mind that technology is also math driven especially on the software side. Another thing, a degree is just a degree. It's a stepping stone or leverage. What matters is what you really know and the know how. Spend you free time learning each side and hone your skills because ultimately, CS and SE will intertwine.
Hey man I really like your videos! What are some of the best websites to learn c++ and data structures? Thanks for the advice! I really enjoyed this video. I’m a sophomore in computer engineering but would like to further enhance my coding skills before taking my data structures class.
I wanna pursue this career, but I’m crazily concerned of the math I’m about to do. One of the biggest cons is that i suck at math.. but like I don’t know what else suits me. Im gonna go with this. When i graduate I’ll come back to this comment
Try to teach urself math before starting college, it will make everything so much easier than not knowing anything at all. Theres this website i used called coursera where u can take free classes on anything, even computer science
im the exact opposite, one of the biggest cons is that i suck at program, cybersec, other subjects. im ok with math. I think programming is really boring should i still do computer science?
Hey guys! FYI, I have a Medium article with the same topic here: goo.gl/ENsErq
If I need to make updates in the future, I’ll update the article because updating a Medium article is so much easier than updating a RUclips video :)
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Thanks for the video YK. I'm trying to learn python from your tutorials and encouraging others who are interested in programing to do so also.
Sir can you suggest me for University final year project ideas in software engineering...
I am an Indian how can I get admission in any international college for computer science
I agree with you. I m learning programming from RUclips and documentation .my college syllabus is the 20yrs old but I don't depend on it.
I just like the smile he keeps on his face when he records the videos.
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@@herbsto Maybe it's because he even has a One D Profile.
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I feel like software engineering is more just directed towards programming and computer science is more generic, not just software development, but AI, machine learning, etc. Computer science is more math & science, but it will strengthen your logical thinking/problem-solving skills, which is required for software development. Just in case you get tired of programming, you can do something else with your degree.
Yup, and if you plan on going into more research oriented type fields , computer science is generally your best bet
joe dirt Oh, ok. That makes sense.
Yes computer science made me a better hacker I mean social engineering
It is best
@First Name Last Name it tends to be yeah
As a person who finished both Computer Science and Software Engineering, as well as working as a software engineer, I strongly agree with you and personally believe computer science is a better option and produces better software engineers in general
How exactly did you finish both?
@@nwachieeranie3570 double major
why you say that?
@@bryanights comp sci teaches you technical aspects more while software engineering is more like Business courses for engineers
I am a software engineer, and looking at the CS program and my own experience, I agree, CS is the best decision if you are willing to learn on your own and invest yourself in your career( I actually want a Master in CS)
But software engineer has it's advantages. I had edge on a few problems because of generic engineering skills. A SE usually learns to solve problems the hard way. Starting out, it's less creativity and more efficiency, you are given a limited set of tools, a definite problem, a lot of constraints, and you have to... Well, magically solve the problem cost-effectively. Whereas CS tend to be more creative in their solutions and take time to learn a lot about what they use or need to do, SE is a lot more about rough sketching, fast prototyping etc... I've taken a completely unknown language, found 1 or 2 std functions and solved an issue! (At that point I did not even know the bare specifics of the language)
This is how I've seen things in my short years of experience, my opinion, probably not universal truth, just pick the one you think will fit your lifestyle
I picked both.
@@GameOnBeast how
@@zeyadhesham7806 You can do double majors at my uni
Can u tell me wuts the difference between Software Engineer nd Software Developer?
@@LL_1077 A software engineer can architect (define the blueprint that describes a software pattern), design (construct the form that defines a software pattern), and develop (generate the code that follows a software pattern) a computer-based solution to a problem, i.e. ALL engineers can write code like a developer but most developers need further training to become engineers.
Before watching this video me: "I want to be a software engineer"
After watching this video me:"I definitely want to be a software engineer"
Fr! Fxck maths till its backwards😂
Actually my situation is quite similar to you. Before watching this "I want to pursue my degree in Computer science"
After watching "I definitely should pursue my degree in Computer science"😅
@@nusybaferdous7558 me too
Me too
@@sour3000 😅😂 you are really funny
You are a savior. I was confused between the CS & CE degree of UWaterloo itself. Thanks a lot buddy
What did u choose?
Yeah, and 2 years after what would you think about your choice
Whats ur option
Wanted to say thank you @CS Dojo for all the videos you posted, it made me want to learn more about writing computer code and I think you genuinely want to assist anyone interested in the field. Looking forward to seeing more content in the future.
I like how he answers the question right at the beginning ✊
*laughs in Computer Science & Engineering*
*laughs in IT and HIGH LEVEL PROGRAMMING SCIENCE*
*kekeke CSSE* XD
@@anycolouryoulike8567 faku
Seriously laugh? Maybe the Computer Science and Engineering laughs at you
@@rommelvega25 Fam it's a joke because he took both software engineer and cs
First congrats on your channel blowing up so much in the last few months! I think the CS vs SE debate is highly dependent on the university. In some colleges the SE/CS tracks are basically the same, with the biggest differences in the upper level classes. The SE degree requires more electrical engineering classes and a few higher level required SE classes like software design and testing (as you mentioned in the video). Some of the higher level SE classes you'll certainly learn in your first year out of college. You could also take those same classes in the CS degree as electives. Some Universities don't even offer a SE program, just CS. I think it's only been in the last 5-10 years universities have started offering a software engineering degree, in addition to their computer science degree. In some cases the SE degree is just a watered down version of the CS degree.
I guess it all comes down to looking at the requirements and understanding the difference. In most instances you'll be fine either way, although I still say CS is the way to go.
Program With Erik Erik what are your thoughts on wgu software developer bachelor's program
You need to get a job in big 4. Then create a channel. It's the equivalent of why I quit buzzfeed
how can I find complete computer repairing vedios, cds or in a site? not in RUclips because they are not complete. someone please
Joe Boxter, you really have no idea what you are talking about. The basis of a CS education is for one, understand Computer Architecture, understand the construction and analysis of algorithms (someone who is self-taught does not understand algorithmic efficiency), Understand the construction of an Operating System, Understand the Construction of a Database, understand the construction of Computer Networks. A CS degree is quite versatile. Electives are just there to help one pursue what they are interested in specializing in. A CS degree is by NO MEANS "a coding degree". We utilize code as a means of implementing an algorithm or a series of steps to solve a difficult problem. CS teaches one how to be a problem solver. A lot of what you do with your spare time as a CS student is "self-taught".
You are not going to learn how to design an Operating System if you are "self-taught". You are no going to learn how to write firmware for an OS or some other system in C (if you are self-taught). You are not going to learn how build a system with neural networks if you are self-taught. Sorry, you need a strong Mathematical background to do the most difficult of CS jobs which is what a CS degree provides.
So are you saying that I may study computer science even to become a software engeneer..
I'm a +2 student and I need help on becoming a successful software engineer..please could u help..🙏
This helped me understand the differences between each of them. Thank you so much
Ninjaverse Which one are you gonna choose?
Thanks for the video Dojo!
This will help me pick subjects to take at University
Sounds like the best way forward would be to get a bachelors degree in Computer Science, and then a Masters Degree in Software Engineering.
yaa....i think going ahead with the same you said would be benificial. (even i also planned the same! ;) )
Exactly
That's a long road!
@@SpiderMan-in9rl yup!
That's why I'm doing now, wish me luck
I knew the benefits of Computer Science degree which is why I went for it. Interestingly enough, my friend majored in Computer Engineering; she is now a software engineer at Linked-in after working as a ios developer for a while. I know somebody who was an Electrical Engineering Student who did a senior capstone similar to mine. He is now a software developer at Tektronix.
how haha
Nice overview! I’m a second year student of Applied Math and Computer Science, I think it was the right way to go, when I had to decide, because now I can study different things, like ML, distributed networks, software engineering, analytics or computer graphics.
I liked this video, especially because I'm in that stage of my life where I have to choose between CS or SE (or software developer), and I think I like more CS.
Right now I messing with the same condition
What do you suggest me? What should I do?
Please I need your serious advice 🙏
@@abdulrafayhimself Hey, what did u pick??
I'm in this stage now :)
Me too.i guess i’m taking the Cs degree the
Basically:
Computer Science degrees give you the fundamentals on how to explain what Software Engineers ACTUALLY do 😂😂😂
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This
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Maybe I didn't follow perfectly what he said, but it seems at 7:00 that Computer Science might be the best degree to be Job Market ready the moment you graduate.
I'm lost haha... I got my letter of acceptation for both Computer Science and Software Engineering and I really struggle to make my final decision..
My view, based on someone studying a Bachelor of computer science with double major in software engineering and cyber security is that computer science just opens the door to so many fields in IT. If software engineering is the only career you want to do than great, study softeng, but computer science provides you the base to spread across many careers in technology.
Thank you so much for this video. I wish I know this years ago so I made the right choice the first time. Now I am thinking of learning new programs so I can take other path in my career. Thanks again YK :D
I think I can agree with the fact that a pure CS degree gives you more time to hone your software skills. I'm personally a computer engineering student and most of what we take is hardware in the meantime. Software engineers seem to take similar courses except a bit more biased towards software. To give you some perspective, by the time I finish my engineering degree, I could have attained a CS degree AND a masters (let alone a CS degree is generally easier to achieve and score high grades in). Looking back I think I would have gone for a CS degree instead, but I'm already 2 years in. The only upside here is I'll be very familiar with hardware and computer architecture, which would give me an advantage if I manage to keep my software skills up to par with the standard CS student. It's a lot of work but I think it'll be worth it in the end. My advice: only go engineering if you want to build a solid foundation of general knowledge, and are willing to set aside even more time to delve into specifc areas. Also, you need to be willing to sacrifice more years of your life for your degree. If you have a specific field in mind, and want to promote yourself as quickly as possible, CS is the way to go.
Aye, computer engineering represent!
Sound Smoke How old are you?
A BS and a masters in the same time? Not sure how you figure..
Daniel A Not some time, but an engineering degree takes 4-5 years, while a CS degree takes a year or two less, during which one may start and even finish a masters degree.
Jorge Rivas Considering I'm a CE student, how old do you think I am?
Really apprreciate your work, it's getting better and better, love your videos
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I will say that as a premed who studied chemical engineering instead of a traditional premed major, I am so glad that I took an engineering discipline instead of something else, for me how to think like an engineer has been the best part of my training so far. It has helped me solve many more problems than just recalling the basic sciences information or critical thinking skills I have learned in other non-engineering classes. I recommend that if there is an engineering discipline that greatly overlaps with what one is interested in, do the engineering discipline. Engineering is definitely so much more work than most other majors, but, when you compare all the learning and training you’re exposed to and can achieve in four years compared to working in your life for decades, it is so worth it. It is a great investment to take an engineering major instead of something else.
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To become a software engineer:
1.) Computer Science (theoretical; software)
2.) Software Engineering (practical; software)
3.) Computer Engineering (practical; hardware)
Thanks. I'm looking for conversion to CS. 👀 I'm in an IT trainee job now.
Just one more thing, what about EE? My colleague did EE but he learned coding himself and he said it's a waste of money and time to get a CS degree when you can learn coding yourselves. EE is a theoretical study of hardware?
Damn I want to do everything. I'm so damn confused.
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Sameeee I feel like I'll do CS then Software engineering , Then take courses of Data science and Artificial intelligence
Right? Why couldn't they just combined the two branches together in college. Those people in school board they just wanted to make money as much as possible.
That's me
Keep it up man! Your videos are straight to the point.
I went to software engineering, it is very nice. I began logic this year and in the next year I'll have calculus.
Hey mate, how's it going so far ? Still reccommend SE ?
I have +4 years in software dev. If you want to be in software dev then software engineering. So many CS students graduate and they do not know what they need to know to get a dev job, how and IDE works, what frameworks are and how to use them.
During interviews I hear from candidates “well I focused more on math and deep learning”. I don’t care and I hire the candidate that had the skills needed for the job.
Exactly
That's right
Why would a compsci graduate not know what a framework is or how an ide works? I don't believe you.
curtisw0234 bacause they do have very little practice, se is the way to go
Which is better CSET or CSE to become a software engineer? CSET is more hands on while CSE is more theory. If you want to look at the curriculum... it’s at the University of Toledo website.
Something that wasn’t considered in this video was the fact that engineering, in Canada, is a very “protected” profession. Essentially, you cannot call yourself an engineer unless you have graduated from an accredited “engineering” program or you have to take a bunch of tests after your degree to become an “engineer”. So, this is another reason why there is such a stringent structure for the software engineering program. All engineers have to take certain classes. (I am a Canadian engineer.)
Replying to you 3 years later, i have some questions do you mind?
@@Bleach1fyReplying to you 11 months later, I have some questions do you mind?
Thank so much Cs Dojo. This helps a lot!
I’ve done CS and according to me BSCS has COMPUTER SCIENCE and Software Engineering both’s knowledge. There is no much differences between those.
A Big thank you for clearing my doubts regarding these 2 topics.Thanx a ton !
Bro u were 1 year late to make this video!!! I already took software engineer
where you study bro
Ayush Singh in India ,Mumbai University
valentine miranda I also took software engineering and now I regret my decision
Don't worry you can join bootcamp
Faizan Siddiqui why do you regret it ?
Your explanation is too good. I've been bother about this topic for some days.
Thank you. 😊
Thank you so much for making this video! I got a lot of help from it ~
Very good video. Learned a lot. Did not know how much these courses are related to eachother! I definitely see which course I will be taking now.
Yeah.... I'd like to team up with 'Dojogang' cause the leader is really good
I just love your videos, thanks for clearing out my every doubt. ♥️
This is the most satisfying job in the world.according to survey.
why is it satisfying
@@adullapravena3192 because this job gave lots of happiness and satisfaction compare to any other jobs🙏🙏🙏🙏
C / C++ with CS makes you understand a lot of how code and software work. Also it helps you with debug thinking.
If you study Software Engineering in Sweden in the "BTH university" it is a 3 years bachelor you study only 3 math courses:
1) Introduction to math 7.5 credits
2) Discreet mathematics 7.5 credits
3) Linear algebra 7.5 credits
That will give you 22,5 credits in mathematics, the rest of your credits will be pure computer science corses such as: C++, OOP C++, databases and Web development, cloud computing, Operating systems, algorithm, computer organisation, networks and socket programing, software desgining, software testing, security. ........
And there are project courses, the university will send you to companies to test your skills there and develop something that they ask for
No physics and alot of math, electronics, chemistry and alot of unnecessary, unusefull courses
Hey man i just moved to Sweden and i was wondering witch one have a better future for jobs like finding jobs and witch one would u recommend
That’s weird, I had to take physics 1 kinematics, physics 2 electromagnetism, calculus 1, calculus2 and calculus 3
@@SamiSSio Vård och omsorg
Bro,this video helped me a lot :)
I am choosing CS
Computer science is the theory, software engineering is the applications
In computer science don't have practical??
I want to learn in practical oriented to become a good programmer then what i do??
@@mohd-arz if you only want to be a programmer, college programming program is the most practical
@@pangrey8931 is it a new course?
@@mohd-arz it is just a college program, which isn't in university that focuses on programming. Soft. Engineering and CS don't mainly focus on programming
@@pangrey8931 Can i learn coding from online course and book instead of going to college? Because many companies didn't ask the degree!!!right
Because going to college is waste of time and money they didn't teach how to become a good programmer and etc!!!
I am currently studying SE at the University of Texas at Arlington. The difference between the SE and CSE degrees there comes at the senior level courses. SE students will start taking their software specific courses like design and testing while CSE students get to pick a whole bunch of electives. There is very few differences in the two degrees before the senior level.
False. I'm currently at a T14 for CS and it's literally just all Software engineering classes ( I had to take software design and testing third year). Only difference is for CS is that we need way more pure math classes.
It’s better to study SE, you can call yourself an engineer while at university
Awesome video, really helped me out
Thank you YK, Your explaination helped me to know about the difference between computer science and software engineering. Keep Making such informative videos.
Am a computer science student .thanks for the clarification. Awesome video
Wich one has more math CS or SE?
This is so insightful. Thanks for sharing
Nice video YK Sugi 👏🏼.
Bro you deserve to be subscribed
Keep it up its my surety one day you will cross 10 million subscribers because you are giving information very difficult and time consuming to find
In my university CS is more programming intensive also we have more courses related to Machine Learning etc. So CS is just a lot tougher, but I love it
Which uni did u go to
@@aliramadan6179 North Korea uni
@@nelsonk1341 funny
I am so thankful for your videos!!!!!
Thank you soooo much! I will be a CS student in University of Melbourne and this video really helps me choose my future.
Thanks Dojo, I was stuck in software engineering now I know exactly what to take
what is the condition for join the internship
Thanks, man for these great video
I think it depends a lot in which country you live in. Here in Finland software engineering is harder than computer science. Most companies prefer software engineering degree here. But in the US i guess the case is different. Also in Finland it's weird not to get a master's degree if you study at a university :p
Interesting!
Kim Lehtinen competed science is the foundation of software engineering
He states that software engineering is the harder major in the video, and thats why he suggests doing computer science.
No employers list software engineering. They all state CS BS or CS MS.
Even in Canada too, there is way more relevant knowledge in computer science because you aren't forced to take a bunch of unrelated courses just to legally call yourself an engineer
thank u cs dojo for this.....
i am really interested with cs and i go with you on this decision...
once again very very thank u as i was too much confused about my future studies... by seeing this video now i hv decided
Hey Dojo! I have always had this question: Why didn't you transfer to a Computer Science Major instead if you became interested in computer science?
Hey 100% correct ! I watched so many videos ppl trying to explain the difference but non did great job like you did. Its great you pick one university to demonstrate your point. I am a Software Engineering student in my senior year @ the heart of silicon valley. I picked Software because there is more hands on project we do and also we can do more technical elective CS classes . And like you mention most universities (95%) in US don't offer Software Engineering as Bachelor Degree. Traditionally CS is offered as BS and people take more Software courses when they do their master in CS. Universities like Stanford, UC Berkeley, MIT ... don't offer BS in Software so if anyone gets in to those universities they are most likely to go for CS ). At the end of the day both majors will take you to the same place and the odds of you landing to great job depends on your experiences, Algorithms and Data Structure skills.
In america I graduated with a degree in electrical and computer engineering with a minor specialization in CS. But after my MBA I work in private equity. Lol so no use for what I did in my undergraduate except the hardcore math skills I developed. But I did work for Microsoft for a little while before moving on to a better pay and career. I could have studied finance and gone the engineering route with CS minor. Nowadays you can relatively easily move around if you are an excellent communicator, researcher and have solid math skills. So in school and at college work especially hard on english and math courses. Take as many as you can. You'll do well in life. A friend of mine completed a degree in math with a minor in CS and he works as a software developer. So core skills are in English and math, everything else is added bonus.
Thank you so much for this video !! I'm so glad I found your channel. Subbed. ❤
Computer Science is the future and always be，no doubt.
True
Wich one has more math SE or CS?
@@Abdirahimahmed50001 id say computer science. It also seems to be the better option
@@giddynun ty so much, so u mean CS has less math bc that’s what i want!
@@Abdirahimahmed50001 Oh no i'm pretty sure CS has more maths. At the same time this can differ depending on where your from. I just think CS is better cause it's generally easier to get a better job that's more paying etc. Maths is also something you can improve on rather quickly. I used to hate maths and was very VERY bad at it. I just went through chapter by chapter and improved and started it love it. All within one month I was extremely good at algebra compared to my peers. Sorry if this sounds like a flex just trying to motivate those who are turned off by the mathematics that's involved in CS and coding in general! But to answer your question I think generally SE has slightly less maths so you may prefer that. Personally for me I choose CS :)
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thank you very much indeed for all these informations
Yes I'm totally agree with you and I'm happy in dojogang
This is an excellent video. Thank you.
Hello cs dojo,
I always thought that software engineering is a better major than computer science because software engineering has courses of management and leadership along side programin. While computer science only focuses on Math and logic without real life experience/engagement.
As you said computer science is easier but the question is : which of the two majors actually prepare you for real life situations in a job?
Dbpirate that's what co-op is for
@@xeonbladev18 true
@@xeonbladev18 I agree with your statement. Degree means no crap if it be SE or CS because what it comes down to is getting Co-op and actually having experience.
Great content. You help allot. Thanks man!
It's very interesting to me to see how the courses vary so much across colleges. The university I'm looking into (Western Governor's University) has a TON of overlap between both their software engineering and computer science majors, to the point where it's gotten pretty difficult for me to choose (can you guess why I clicked on this video?).
because you don't know which one to go for.
You have explained this so much better than others i will like and follow. Great job. Also, my goal is to live and work in canada. I really hope learning this will help me make it there
Thank you for your explanation, which I found so helpful and informative. Also, i'm studying computer science right now, so your answer delight me a little hh
the same case here, I have seen some people saying that it is useless and I was about to drop out and start SE but now I am relieved
Hi YK, I'm a 4th year Computer Science student from the University of Waterloo. You have a great analysis, however, Software Engineers are the ones who have a larger % of students in big 4 and unicorn companies rather than Computer Science students. I would say about 50-60% of graduating CS students can make 100k+ and about 70-80% of SE students make 100k+ and working at these companies. You are correct about everything else.
Hey, CS Dojo can you do a tutorial on ruby on rails.
Why pick SENG over CS:
1) In Canada the word "engineer" is reserved and some industries require projects to be signed by engineers.
2) Engineers make significantly more money (on average 10-15k/year more than CS).
3) Better hire rate after degree completion.
4) You have a lot more general knowledge of business and project management.
5) Safer job prosperity, with AI code-generating tools, knowing how to design is valuable.
Why pick CS over SENG:
1) It's an easier degree.
2) You take programming courses earlier in your degree which helps with co-op internships.
3) You can boost your gpa by picking easier electives.
4) Degree can be done in 3 years vs 4-5 years for SENG.
5) CS degree is cheaper than SENG.
In general, in terms of courses, SENG and CS have an identical foundation. Most SENG students have as many CS-electives than CS students. The difference is that CS doesn't require you to do electrical and computer engineering courses as well as other design courses.
For me, I am studying SENG and I also don't recommend it. It's way too much effort and it isn't rewarding. I'm in too deep now anyways. 1.5 more years and I am done!
It would be great to have a summary like this over the difference between, information and communication technologies and computer science at my university. I'm starting to wonder if it's worth a switch to computer science from information and communication technologies. Both are engineering programs at Lund University, faculty of engineering, Sweden.
Thank you, this was very informational to me. Im thinking of going into this career.
Thank you for the video YK! A question, would you recommend or do you think it's possible for someone who had no programming background (I studied languages and business) to pursue a master's in CS?
I'm taking online courses in web development and UX/UIDesign to be somewhat prepared, but of course, it's not comparable to those who studied CS for 4 years...
its been 4 years, did you get your masters? what field are you working on now?
@@ill_Hiper lol I did not
Thanks man, it helped me alot on deciding my future. Much thanks bro :)
So what are u studying now ?
I now studying software engineering........at first it was really hard for me because my math sucks, but somehow i manage to hold on soooo yeahhh here i am a semester 3 software engineering students
@NILOY Bangladesh If you are a hundred percent sure that ure going into CS or SE or anything else relating to computing, try practicing even before you start U, try learning programming, practice your math, etc... If you are already in U there are always courses you can take to reinforce your math and computing skills
I'm a CS major at the University of Waterloo right now, the additional flexiblity of the degree just makes the overall uni experience a lot more fun and u can try to broaden your horizons:)
@aniga You could, but it will take lots of dedication and hard work because you won’t have the structure that university gives you. But if you’re dedicated you can do it.
Thanks Dojo for making this great video explaining about these courses..
I request you to please make another video on Mathematics and computing engineering which is quite newly introduced course in my college(Delhi Technological University).
By the perspective of going into the coding domain, which subjects should I choose as electives and which areas should I focus more .
There is a lot of mathematics in that course ,but the reason for me to take it up is because I wanna focus on the computing part more.
Please help me out sir.
Thanks and regards
Aryan chauhan
I too have applied to the University of Waterloo! I totally agree with you on this point. Thanks a lot Dojo!! 😘
Sir Please Make a video on "What is the Difference Between Computer Engineer And Computer Scientist/Software Engineer?"
First vid of yours i had watch ... Very helpful ... Ur earn my subscribe 👍👍👍👍
I was a lead developer. Now I am a trader. My life is much better, that's a lot money for supporting my family even my relatives. 5k per day is minimum.
What exactly do you trade ?
@@VictheUpright He posted that 3 years ago, homie is probably in jail caught "trading" narcotics.
Thanks brother for clearing my doubt
The funny thing is at my university, software engineering required data structures & algorithms along with digital circuits etc. And in our electives we could choose 2 out of the following 5 - machine learning, data science, embedded systems, robotics, erp systems & product management. A.I. was offered to CS people but it wasn't prohibited for s/w engg either.
Another amazing video
There is a reason why this channel is called ' CS 'dojo
Good point
Base on what my advisors suggestion, software engineering is not that will known of a degree since computer science covers that area too. Generally, Employers will most likely look for a BS in computer science. You can take core software engineering courses as an electives in computer science. This option varies depending on your university. It's interesting how they don't require discrete mathematics. It's cover graph theories which is good for sorting and searching. Recursion, probability, truth tables, proofs, and others vital concepts for engineering. I think the key here is that, you understand the concepts and are able to apply it. All Technological studies are almost identical. I prefer the most well known degree since employer will be looking for that. Keep in mind that technology is also math driven especially on the software side. Another thing, a degree is just a degree. It's a stepping stone or leverage. What matters is what you really know and the know how. Spend you free time learning each side and hone your skills because ultimately, CS and SE will intertwine.
Hey man I really like your videos! What are some of the best websites to learn c++ and data structures? Thanks for the advice! I really enjoyed this video. I’m a sophomore in computer engineering but would like to further enhance my coding skills before taking my data structures class.
jesus , we have the same fcking question
Thank you so much for this video! :D
Dad: Which major you'll choose?
Me: Either software engineer or computer science
Dad: No, just physics engineer. That's the same
Me: :(
Your videos are really helpful
I wanna pursue this career, but I’m crazily concerned of the math I’m about to do. One of the biggest cons is that i suck at math.. but like I don’t know what else suits me. Im gonna go with this. When i graduate I’ll come back to this comment
I have the same dilemma 😂I thought after matric I wouldn't have to do maths
Try to teach urself math before starting college, it will make everything so much easier than not knowing anything at all. Theres this website i used called coursera where u can take free classes on anything, even computer science
im the exact opposite, one of the biggest cons is that i suck at program, cybersec, other subjects. im ok with math. I think programming is really boring should i still do computer science?
@@pew4410 well i think there are still another things you can do with CS, not only programming
You're the best. I like your video and how you explain and compare different things. Thanks a lot for this video! :):)
I have studied computer science . It's just wastage of time if you want to become software engineer .I prefer software engineering course
saqib omari Obviously. What... are you ginna study culinary arts to become a philosopher?
saqib omari computer science you learn more and get more jobs so it’s not a waste of time you just don’t put in the work
Yes bcs you're waste in your own :))
In the end, it’s really up to you if you wanna get better or not
lol
Great video man, helped so much especially when im in canada and choosing in these universities