Isan Thai people are actually Lao people who were annexed by the Thai government. Isan is a geographically region, however the people speak Lao not Isan.
Hear me out, Isaan is still in Thailand but we can speak both Thai and Isaan (laos) too so we are still Thai people so please dont mixed us up and I am from Khon Kaen still
One of my best friends in middle/high school was Lao. I never turned down an offer when he invited me over to his house because I knew his mother was always cooking some bomb ass food lol. I remember her telling me stories of how the Thai people treated Lao and Hmong really poorly in the refugee camps, some very sad stories that I will never forget.
The papaya salad he ate looking out the papaya is highly modified. Growing up in Laos, the papaya salad is more pungent with fermentation fish and crabs.
I remember going to thai restaurants when i was younger (owned by thais) they didnt have Papaya salad, sticky rice or even laap. Over the years it somehow became a popular and now sold at most thai restaurants even sai oua/sai gok (lao sausages) and NAM KHAO which are all lao dishes! It could be that many of these thai restaurants are owned by Lao so people assume it's thai
Issan is Laos and Laos is the same as Issan. The French and big brother Thailand wanted Issan since the land is on the same side as Thailand. Thanks for making this video. Thumbs up 👍👍👍
@@lexso5877 The One who created the galaxy and the earth was not willing Laos and her people to be wipe out of God's presence just like Israel. Don't laugh at her fall or you and those who are with you will not stand. Be humble. This awesome God whom I served His Majestic plans and will is just.
@@lexso5877 Friends from Laos told me that they were happy with the new railway built by the Chinese, especially where they had enjoyed increase of export to China therefore improving their economy.
Esan was Laos. The people still speak Lao and eat and carry the Laotian attitude. There shouldn’t be any argument about it. People think of Thailand when it comes to papaya salad because the image of tourism. The western civilizations experiencing papaya salad at their home countries at Thai restaurants in which the owners are usually Thai esan or Lao descendants. Serving Thai cuisine rather than Lao cuisine. The Lao owners knew and uses the tactic to get customers through the door by advertising serving thai cuisine. Love the content though. You had a very good researched before and into making this video 👍.
Thailand has Lao ethnic people more than Laos the whole country. Most importantly, Thai is Nationality. Tai-Kadai is language families. Lao is one ethnic in Tai-Kadai.
This is correct. I find it funny all the time how Laotian people always try to force Thai people in Isan to self identity themsleves as Laotian. 99% of Thai people in Isan identity themsleves as Thai and they want nothing to do with Laos and Laotian people. Dishes like Papaya salad, Larb, etc are originated in Isan, Thailand but with such stupid argument that Thai people in Isan are Laotian, so these dishes must come from Laos 😂
Thanks for making this video and connecting the dots. You explain things so well. Food history is so important in explaining things especially when it comes to Laos and the impact it’s actually made around the world. I will be watching more of your videos. Subscribed!
It belong to both but more of Esan than Thailand. The type of food that is call "thais" are actually Lao but from Isan/Esan. Back in the 50-60-70 people that go to work in bangkok are from the region. They naturally make and sell them to those that miss the backhome cooking. When the rest of the world see this in Bangkok so naturally they going to call it a Thai food not knowing the history of the region and people. Esan/Isan was populated by Lao speaking people. But today they speak mixed of Thai and Lao. But if you speak to the elder and listen to their music especially MORLAM style music, they sing in Lao. Thai change their name from Siam and the region they didnt carer about, they rename it as ESAN/ISAN. The name change during the time because they need to united to the area. There was rumor and conflict that the region want to break away from Thailand. They give it a name ESAN/ISAN for the Lao speaking area because the people are not Thai but they cannot be Lao because Laos might want it back. And I am tire of Laos being labeled as the most bombed country in the history/world. I wish people stop using that. I dont want Laos to be known as that. Laos is more than that.
Papaya salad is originated from Laos. Isan are Lao people, before , that's why, they eat similar food. Sticky rice, laab, papaya Salad and kang nor mai. Are Lao food. Because Thai people are popular, that's why, people are well known. Som tum was copy papaya salad from Laos. Som tum they are making like salad. Very light..Lao people called, ( papaya salad) we called " tum mark hoong". All Isan people called, papaya salad" tum mark hoong" too
After all is said and done, I still prefer Lao papaya salad for its kicked-up flavors. I never order Thai papaya salad as it's always a disappointment flavor wise. Even the most pedestrian Lao papaya salad tastes 100 times better than the lackluster Thai version. My two cents only...
Thanks for touching the bases of both countries. As a first gen born Laotian American, I remember we had my parents sponsored a central Thai from Bangkok as an exchange student to continue his studies in California. Mind you, this was 1985 after majority of displaced Lao and Hmongs whom are starting their future in US. He admitted that Papaya Salad was looked down upon because it was meant for poor people, amongst other well known food items as Jew Bong and Laab was one he was told only for "low nannies" to eat. And, there were alot of tv shows from the 1980s in Thailand when it came to showcasing these foods, some guests were either uncomfortable or made comments in the likes of "will I die after eating this?", "I can't eat this because i can't stand the smell of pla rah(fermented fish sauce with crabs)", " this food looks very weird to me", "I thought this is only for taxi drivers and construction laborers to eat only" I find it ironically amusing how cuisine was once down looked upon is now being aggressively approached and slap an "original" label to it.
im partially lao who grew up in the isaan region of thailand. back in the 80s-90s ppl in the central thailand (dominant political ethnic group) used to mentioned the same thing about the food so another version of papaya salad was invented which is called "tam thai". in tam thai you dont put pla ra (fermented fish) in, u add dried shrimps and roasted peanuts the taste is sweeter. and believe it or not, this version is what widely known in the today's world as a thai papaya salad not the one with pla ra.
the title is such a clickbait and people who are upset about these topic I can already tell that they grew up in the US, neither in Lao or Thailand. You people are literally American! As Thai person one thing I know about Lao people is that they’re very kind hearted and every Thai people know damn well that papaya salad is not real thai food and we wouldn’t even claim that is real thai food or at least it didn’t came from central part of Thailand. It’s all marketing not just history. if you understand why restaurant in USA advertise some of these food toward Americans as Thai food you’ll know. You’d be surprised many Thai restaurants in US also own by Lao people.
"I'm not saying that papaya salad is definitely from Laos or even that Thailand stole it from Laos." Went on to title the video "How Thailand Stole Food From Laos".
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This is fast becoming my favourite food channel. No one does the interaction between food & culture quite as well. Really looking forward to more of your output, You are doing something special & very well. Bravo.
@@TipperProject Me too. From the very first video I watched on Portuguese. I think it's going to be huge & we were here early. Everything I've seen has been compelling. I subscribe to quite a few food related channels & this really stands out. Informative & he has a confident & engaging style.
Everybody knows papaya salad is a native Laotian dish. Thailand just borrow from Laos. Same thing with spaghetti. Marco Polo brought it from China. But of course, they will never admit to it.
It’s a Lao dish. Thailand have 23 million ethnic Lao population and being on of the top tourism powerhouses country while lao have 6-7 million ethnic Lao population. somehow through migration SomTam became staple dish for middle class in BKK. you can easily logically work this out.
Honestly all the old temple ruins in lao and Thailand all belong to Cambodia. The three country share similarities. Old people say the three country are brother and sister.
I had Alot of Cambodia friend They never had this dish until they hang around LAOS people, And Some of my friend married Cambodia women and that's how they learn how to make Papaya salad.
@@SKYBaal-ms6xw Not true. We do have Cambodian Papaya salad and many versions of this type of salad to compliment various meals which proves our history and knowledge of the dish and not just a copycat version. Your Cambodian friends probably don't cook or are probably part Chinese or Vietnamese. If their Cambodian side does not cook, then they wouldn't have authentic Cambodian recipes passed on to them.
@@SKYBaal-ms6xw Seeing the ingredients, I would say Chinese immigrants living in Cambodia would eat that combination. Cambodians would never eat this as it doesn't make sense flavor-wise. It's like some people may like adding pickled carrots to their Italian spaghetti, but Italians would never eat it that way. Chinese people have a specific flavor preference and I'm not surprised your friends had to modify a Cambodian dish to suit their palate. This dish speaks loudly that they are not Cambodian.
@@ancientgardensculinaryarts2183 Cambodians imitating all kind of Vietnamese salad dishes. Papaya salad with pork and shrimp, papaya salad with beef jerky, mango salad with pork and shrimp or with dried shrimp, Lotus stem salad with pork and shrimp, Vietnamese Chicken salad are all Vietnamese dishes.
It's a classic case of cultures not really having hard borders in the same way governments do. People in the same general area are going to eat the same types of food. Another example would be rendang, which is a dish that's native to Indonesia, Malaysia, and some of the surrounding countries. No one state can claim full ownership of it because the food existed before modern day borders.
Thai and Laos are same race. We came form south China long long time ago. Our ancestors is Tai people and Tai people 's ancestors is Yue people. Now Yue people was known as Chuang people in China.
The Thais didn’t steal papaya salad they stole lao land and the people who speak the same language and eat the same food as what we like to call ourselves “children of sticky rice” and named them isan to differentiate them from the lao people.
I was born in Thai Isan. If you ask me if I want my home to be part of Laos country or not. Short answer is “No”. I’m proud to be Thai and the past is the past. And you shouldn’t use the word steal.
Why on the video it said " Did Thailand steal Papaya Salad ? " Country can not steal ! But people can ! As far as I know a Thai worker stole Blue Diamond ( Diamond of Royal Saudi Arabia. ) and many pounds of jewelry from Saudi's Royal Palace. This story is true. Here is the article from Google ... In 1989, Kriangkrai Techamong, a Thai worker, stole 91 kg (200 pounds) of jewellery and other valuable gems from the palace of Prince Faisal bin Fahd, where he was employed as a servant. Kriangkrai had access to the prince's bedroom and hid the stolen jewelry in a vacuum cleaner bag at the palace. Who is the queen of Thailand blue diamond? In what has become known as the Blue Diamond Affair, widespread rumors in Bangkok are that the gem was presented to Queen Sirikit, the wife of the late King Bhumibol Adulyadej, by top officials of the Thai police, which would explain why the Saudis saw the affair as going to the very top in Thailand and wasn't just ...Feb 22, 2022 What is the story of the blue diamond in Saudi Arabia? At the heart of the story is an ultra-rare 50-carat blue diamond that the Saudis say was stolen from a palace in Riyadh by a Thai janitor, later stolen again by Thai police, and which has never been returned. For many years it has been rumoured that Queen Sirikit had taken the diamond for herself. Why did Saudi cut ties with Thailand? According to Arab News: It is to be recalled that the negligence of Thai authorities to investigate a number of security cases, where some Saudi citizens were victims, led to the deterioration of relations between the Kingdom and Thailand for more than 20 years. What is the punishment for theft in Saudi Arabia? Theft (stealing in secret) is punished by the amputation of the offender's right hand, and armed or highway robbery may be punished by execution, crucifixion, or amputation of hands and feet from opposite sides of the body, depending on the severity of the offense.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you so incredibly much for bringing more exposure to the history of Laos! Especially the bombing part, almost wanted to cry!! Seriously, but! It’s funny how you made a whole documentary of papaya salad but you don’t even really like papaya salad 😂 according to google, papaya salad was invented in Laos but yes it can be agreed that Thailand made it more popular but you know what, another neighboring southeast Asian country makes their own version of it too, Cambodia. 😅 but nice job, throughly enjoyed the video & the educational aspects of this.
Another note, Lao people call papaya salad Tum Mak Hoong not Som Tum or Tum Som. We call it by the fruit is being used. Not by the taste of it. Best papaya salad is Tum Muang Luang from Luang Prabang
You got that wrong, some regions of Laos still call papaya salad "tum som", even some parts of Issan and Northern Thailand. There's even a video in Thai explaining the history of som tum, and it came from the Lao word Tum som. Tum som is more used in Northern Laos than Southern Laos. I can't find the video right now because I can't write in Thai. Thai likes to say certain thing backward, for example, "ping gai (grilled chicken" in Lao, they call "gai ping". "Ping moo (grilled pork), in Lao, "moo ping" in Thai.
Papaya salad used to be looked down by Thai. Lao food stinks this and that. Now, papaya salad is becoming popular in the West, Thais didn’t hesitate to claim it as theirs. It’s Lao food.
Papaya was first introduced in Asia through the Philippines. Its seeds, along with other native plants from the Americas, were brought by the Spaniards from Mexico through the "Manila Galleon" in the 16th century. In the Philippines, we also call the fruit "papaya" or "kapayas" (the latter is also used in East Malaysia and Brunei), which is the same (or similar) word in Native American languages like Carib and Arawak. From the Philippines, local and Chinese traders may have traded the plant all over Asia through China in the north and Borneo in the south. Also, around the same century, the Portuguese still owned Malacca in West Malaysia. Then from Malacca, the plant reached modern day Thailand, that's why it's called มะละกอ (malako) in Thai, which comes from the name of the place itself "Malacca/Melaka". However, I'm quite unsure about how it reached modern day Isan and Laos, probably they got it either from the Chinese or Vietnamese in the north or from Ayutthaya or Cambodia in the south (most probably the latter since Isan and Lao apparently borrowed the word หุ่ง/ຫຸ່ງ (hung) from Khmer).
cambodia had very close interactions with the spanish philippines. spain even tried to conquer cambodia and turn it into a colony. look up the spanish cambodian war in the 1500s
@kepalakentang That's very interesting! In the Philippines, Spanish people are usually called "Kastilà". This is probably from "Castela" in Galician, which is translated as "Castilla" (Kingdom of Castille) in Spanish.
@kepalakentang Also, sweet potatoes are called "kamote" which is the same word used in Mexico and other countries in Latin America. The origin of the word comes from Nahuatl "camohtli".
Some old Lao people believe papaya first reached Laos through Cambodia. """....Papaya, among other fruits, were cultivated in Cambodia by Chinese settlers who immigrated in the 1500s from Hainan, China. The Lao name for papaya is mak hung and was likely derived from l'hun or lohung/rohung as papayas are called by Cambodians and Cambodian indigenous people living in provinces bordering the Southeastern region of Laos....""" Many European explorers went to Laos through the Cambodia- Southern Laos area.
Lol uncle Roger is Asian picking on other Asians. Not cool NOT cool. Most people eat padek its just got a different names. Uncle Roger needs to be more open minded to others culture even Laos. Please don't insult Laos. Thanks.🌹🕊️🙏🙏🙏
Firstly, kudos to you for going the extra mile, traveling from your home base to two countries, all for the love of papaya salad. You have a passion for food exploration! However, I'd like to clarify something. The 'Thai' version you showcased is the Luang Prabang (LP) style, not the traditional Thai. The distinguishing factor is in the slicing technique. The LP version slices the papaya in strips, whereas the authentic papaya salad demands the fruit to be finely chopped and cut into thin strips. I understand the creative liberties some might take, but it's disheartening when the core ingredient, papaya, is substituted or diluted with additions like carrots or glass noodles. Just a pet peeve of mine! For reference, the traditional Thai version is generally sweeter and has a lighter color, with fermented padak substituted with fish sauce. Next time, ask Thai and Lao vendors to prepare both versions and see what might be intriguing if they offer both versions. It would make for an interesting comparison. I have a soft spot for the Lao version. An interesting historical tidbit: after the secret war in Laos, many Laotians migrated and started restaurants in various parts of the world. Despite serving authentic Laotian dishes, they'd often label their establishments as 'Thai' because the cuisine was more widely recognized. So, there's a rich tapestry of history and culture behind these dishes that might take time to be apparent. It's always enlightening to delve deeper into the origins and evolutions of such beloved cuisines. Keep exploring, and thanks for sharing your journey with us! You should have that rooster and turn it into peang khai the Lao version.
I'm Half French thai& lao, I think there is more lao sources inside Tam Mak Hung or know by Thai as Som Tam, according to wikipedia : It is generally believed to have been created by the Lao people and is considered one of the national dishes of Laos, Green papaya salad is also popular in neighbouring Thailand's Isan region, whose population is mainly composed of ethnic Lao and from where it spread to the rest of Thailand...
Even the Cambodians and Viets Ik have always referred to papaya salad as Lao food. It's Lao food, Often you'll hear Thai people say "Thai version doesn't have pla ra(padaek) but just because it has only fish sauce doesn't make it non Lao. That's so dumb. Taking one ingredient out doesn't change it's origin. There are many Lao people who don't eat padaek sometimes
Thailand didn’t steal anything. Every country has immigrants from other countries and dishes got integrated in every country creating their own version. Thailand has paved the way from neighboring countries to introduce their foods. Stop making false accusations.
Cambodian, Thai, and Lao have their own spin on papaya salad and other similar dishes. The Thais are known to modernize and claim everything as their own.
So true. For example: Amok is Cambodian national dish. Thai copied it and called Hormok and said Cambodian copied from Thailand, just unbelievable. They call Thai ancient letters😂 it’s Khmer letters. ruclips.net/video/ybKuNY0Xvnk/видео.html
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO!! 😭❤️ It sucks knowing that Lao culture and history has been erased and nonexistent in the world. There's so many foods that are marketed as "Thai" in the West, but are of Lao origin. Papaya salad, larb, ping gai, etc. It's so strange how our foods are so loved and well-received, but the word "Lao" is basically derogatory in Thailand, and many Isan people had to leave their Lao identity behind out of shame. The reason why there are 6x more Lao people in Thailand than in Laos is due to the failure of the Lao rebellion in 1828, which led to the Siamese government to forcibly move a majority of the Lao population to the west of the Mekong and to Bangkok to work as slaves. Lao people will fight to have our history and culture be heard and recognized.
You have to also admit that our parents didn't help put our identity out there when they opened a restaurant wherever they settled. They called it a Thai restaurant instead of Lao, but also made some dishes that were from Laos. It was understandable at the time, only Westerners heard of Thailand but not Laos. This should not longer be the case, and I'm proud of our loon Mai generation is putting us out there as Lao food not Thai or shared with Thai.
@@sssf85k True, I understand the whole "Thai restaurant" label thing they had to do to attract customers. I'm happy to see that there are more restaurants that are straight up presented as Lao now!
@@nawaphonrujiwong2367 let's use some critical thinking here, obviously when I say ping gai I'm talking about how it's marinated and prepared, how it tastes and how it's cooked. obviously "grilled chicken" isn't only a lao thing, but the way lao people make it has become popularized in thailand.
YES 100% at the feeling “strange at how our foods are so well-loved and received but the word “Lao” is basically derogatory in Thailand” part!!!!!!!!! As a Lao person I [personally] have seen so many Lao/Cambodian culture videos and the ones that don’t mention any similarities with Thai culture, there would be comments saying “Thai people do this too” or something of that nature. The videos I [personally] have seen online of Thai culture, seldom do Thai people *ever* mention similarities with Lao or Khmer culture. As a person who’s in their late 20s, growing up I have definitely have heard my parents talk about how Thai people think they’re better than us. I’ve felt this too. It’s exhausting trying to convince people who don’t want you sitting at their table, and these people expect to be able to sit at yours. We value so many of the same things in our culture yet get little to no respect because we are not a rich country. Like imagine how powerful TLC (Thai/Lao/Cambodian) would be if we all helped each other out and worked together.
you have to understand that there are mainly two version of papaya salad, "tam thai" and "tam lao". and the later invented (tam thai) were a lot more popular to tourists and is the one sold mostly in thai restaurants around the world.
In Thailand there are very different recipes for Som Tam. What you get when you order Som Tam in a restaurant depends on the region of the country. The biggest differences are between the central region, the north and Isaan. Just give it a try.
Excellent video and thank you. Since you're not Lao or Thai person, your narrative is based on historical facts of people who cook and consume. Tam Som was and is looked down upon food from real Thai elites. The real Thais eat only imported beef from Japan and Argentina.
New subscriber! Papaya salad in Laos is really spicy, so to be safe you should always tell them how many chili you want. Thank you for making this video, it means a lot to me as a Laotian. We are peaceful and forgiving people that why we rarely show our pain from those bombs.
You have to tell them how you want it very spicy 🥵 or not yo spicy 🌶️ Laos papaya salad 🥗 today is not the real Laos Som Tom , they try to hard to put everything on for real Laos Som Tom it’s only papaya 🍋🍎sugar and fish sauce this real Laos papaya salad , I went to Laos last year, I don’t own Som Tom 😊😅
In Thailand we have many versions of Som Tam, one of them which we call Thai Som Tam is sweeter and tastes milder than other versions, and it’s mainly only eaten in bangkok
Difference in Thai papaya salad vs lao/isan is Thai versions don’t use fermented fish. Lao/isan make it the same. They also eat sticky rice everyday. Thais rarely eat sticky rice.
@@iROChakri Then why r they called isan and not Thai? And why does a person from Bangkok call someone from northeastern Thailand khon isan. The language and food is also different. So yea a thai person especially from Bangkok with no connection to isan do not eat sticky rice and if they do it’s a rare occasion. Only places that eat sticky rice everyday is Laos and northeastern part of Thailand “isan” which are ethnically lao but now part of Thailand.
Fan of your videos, but sometimes things seem poorly researched: Isaan food is not looked down upon. This is a point that could have been made a long time ago, but by now it is the most popular regional cuisine across Thailand. It's the most popular category in Grab and what feels like half of all street food is Isaan now. Likely supported by Isaan people being the biggest migrant group in most places. Granted, it hasn't arrived in many high-end restaurants, but average people hold Isaan food in high regard.
would you call tacos in america and tacos in mexico different cuisine? good job on your research. you just have to dig a little bit to find the truth. most people cant think past second level of connecting dots and using basic logic. Papaya salad is Lao cuisine. no matter who makes it or what country it can be made in today.
In the past, people in the northern and Isan (North Eastern in Sanskrit) once referred by people in the central as Laotian. Then, the nationalism happened, and everyone in every corner of Thailand had been told that they are “Thai” by the government. By the way, Using the word “stole” is a little bit controversial, just brace yourself for the flood of comments.
@@hunhoon6283Thai government stopped counting Lao population for the census back in the mid 90s. If they had continued on with accurate census counts, it is estimated the Lao population is actually higher than the Central Thai population, hence why Lao is no longer counted but lumped in the general term as “Tai.” Interestingly enough, all Tai populations (including Lao) always us “Tai” to mean “people of” and ONLY use this terminology to refer to related ethnic/tribal kin folks’ place of origins (never used for other ethnic groups or nationalities)…but yet Central Thais themselves are the only ones who don’t use or understand the concept of “Tai” when referring to themselves. I believe there is a reason for this though (and technology has caught up enough to back some Lao people’s claims that the Central Thais aka the Syam Thais aren’t related to Tai-Lao ethnic tribes at all (originally of course). DNA analysis have shown they are of primarily Mon-Malay origins with recent Southern Chinese admixture. And anyone who understands the linguistics of how languages evolve at all, it is very clear the modern Thai language is a Creole language of some form, a mixture of Tai-Lao, Mon-Khmer and a little of Hakka Chinese.
That's true, I also found the " stole " thing strange. And tbh ,I never associated papaya salad with Thailand or Asia, for that matter .I lived in Malawi as a kid, and we would have it as well. Semi -ripe ones so less sour. I think that in many countries where people have it, they don't really question about it's origins. I'd like to see the Mexican version of this dish. Another thing, if a dish is too spicy/hot, you should never ever drink water ! A piece of bread ,or a few sips of milk, even natural joghurt, is the best way to soothe your mouth. For the de-mining program, Laos is still littered with unexplosed anti-personal ones, I think that they have started to use the giant african rats, which were used in Mozambique and successfully too. Because even today, there's people in Laos who lose a leg, here, life there. The US has the moral obligation to help them.
@@coucoubrandy1079 Yep, my dad told me a story when Thai ran sak Vietiane they took all the important documents and recorded history to Thailand..I'm not sure they burn it!! ITS call Bhai Ruan..
@SKYBaal-ms6xw I don't know anything about the history of Laos, or of South East Asia tbh, it's a pity that we don't hear much about it. I have a question : can you read Thai or Cambodian script ? Because they look a bit the same to me
The papaya salad he ate looking out the papaya is highly modified. Growing up in Laos, the papaya salad is more pungent with fermentation fish and crabs.
you got it brother . Lao foods was the best . you don't use your mouth to say the food it is good . you use your mouth to eat food to say foods it's good ..Lao peoples don't promote. .who made ideal of papaya is born from Lao mother land same as lao essan .. today's Thai running there mouth promoting claims that's Thai Thai.. Thai try do anything to erase Lao name
The first papaya salad you ate in Thailand at 3:40min is Luang Prabuang style salad and where is Luang Prabuang? Hmmm. Thailand is famous because of issan food and culture.
But Isan doesn't Lao anymore after separated. The food in Isaan was developed by combined with thai food culture and ingredients so the food the invented by Isaan is "Thai Isaan food".
Hmmm... I have tried both Thai and Laotian style papaya salad. I prefer Thai. I do love Issan/Esan food because it is more garlicky. I think what is really innovative is how Thailand invented Pad Thai for marketing purposes and nation building in the 1930s. Either way, I do love Laotian food as well. In fact, all of SE Asian food is so tasty. Can you do a video on how the Portuguese influenced Korean kimchi? Before the Portuguese brought peppers to Asia, kimchi wasn't red and it wasn't spicy!
U can love what ever u want.. but Papaya salad is original Laos....Thai made it sweet and add on peanut...In Laos there are a lot of variation every chef cook differently..
"I'm not gonna use English too loudly here" Something tells me that's not actually an issue, similar to how most Vietnamese have forgiven/don't care about Americans anymore. Hell, if you visit Cambodia, people there will outright tell you that they hate the Viets more than Pol Pot because they 'invaded their country'. Crazy Love the video btw definitely please make more!
I didn't know that papaya comes from the Americas! The spicies of food that was brought from the Americas had such a huge impact on the world! So many food that we eat regularly comes from the Americas like corn, tomatoes & potatoes.
These videos are great, thanks for uploading them all the time, they feel like documentaries even though they're 10mins which is pretty crazy. Thanks for these great videos!
On the other hand, as you might not know. Thailand lost half of its territory. Mekong River because France built it and Thai people don't have to welcome Isaan Lao people that you talk about because Isaan is already their home. Your information is one-sided.
Honestly, Thai label it as a country food.. do to ferment fish sauce..when food become popular Thai change the name to Some Tam...Now sale all over...Laos has so many style .. north south and central cook different.. .
Issaan people are lao descendants. It's sad that the new generation of issaan younger Gen z don't know they're parents and elders were original lao people at one point before getting adopted into Thailand... Issaan language is Lao period dot and issaan food is Lao food. Lao people are pretty humble that's why they don't really fight back. Lao people are chill and laid back we want peace not war. Thailand is always claiming to have invented something or the first to do something taking lao credit. And it's thummuck hoong to laos not som tom
I have few Isan Thai people and they want nothing to do with Laotian people in Lao. Its a shame how Laotian people always try to claim Thai dishes such as Papaya salad esp when papaya and red chili for example were imported to Southeast Asia during Ayutthaya period and Thai people taught Laotian people how to cook papaya salad. Alsp the language in Lao is Thai, not the other way around.
@@iROChakri that's right you have a few issaan people that believe that... But majority knows they are lao deep down. that's a total lie even the white people said papaya salad originated from laos and even scholars n historians have said Thailand published their region and claimed the issaan part as their own. U central Thai liar. I understand it's been decades but the food the stews and sauces don't lie issaan cuisine is very much laos . Bye hater. If you say issaan people don't wanna be associated with laos then stop speaking our language and speak full Thai instead of using 90 percent of lao dialect when u speak. Period. Dot. I believe issaan people know where they came from so it don't matter. Their food is our food pretty much. They are a hybrid of Thai and mostly lao dialect.
Issaan = laos not central Thailand... issaan was a name given from real Thai natives to call lao people living in Thailand stolen land from lao. Essentially brain washing them. Which is why they are now called issaan people.... But you knows it lao... Issaan people will always speak lao dialect so in the end Thai never truly won converting our people.
Issan basically means northeast in Thai language. People in Issan are Thai people by nationality, mostly Tai ethnicity. Nothing about Isan is Laos or Lao. Most Thai people in Issan also dont associate themselves with Laos people in Lao. You can see Laos as a left over part of Thailand (same to Cambodia), that got separated during French colonization. If French didnt come, there would be no Cambodia and Laos, but only greater Thailand. Basically, Laos and Cambodia came from Thailand. Thats a fact. You can already see that Laos people speak a variety of Thai language as well. I have visited Laos, and I can communicate with people there just fine. They speak Thai with some weird accent. After all as I said, Laos was once part of Thailand. So the evidences of Thai influences still can be seen in today Laos ie food, language, cultures etc.
He said "not a lot of food from Issan is eaten in the rest of the country". This doesn't mean there isn't Issan food that is popular in Thailand, but that there are many foods that have not been accepted by Bangkok Thais. Even then, the Issan foods that are popular all over Thailand have been modified to accomodate the Central Thai palette (aka less peppers, sweeter, etc.). However, there are still hundreds of Isaan dishes that are still ignored and see as gross - specifically foods containing insects or fermented fish.
@@awax9221 Lao and Isan had separated for a long time and Isan developed there food more than Lao by combined with Thai food culture (many ingredient can be found only in Thailand in the past).
@avusookay6743So you're FAKE Buddhist right ? Lying is a sin ! Isan people are just Suay and Kui tribes had been living in the region for more than 5000 years. Suay and Kui belong to Mon/Khmer. These people converted their culture, traditions, languages to become Lao in the 14th century. After the Frenco-Siamese treaty in 1907 the what do called Isan or Northeastern Thailand was decided by using the Mekhong River as the boundary between Thailand and Laos.
Everything that is popular in Thailand is always claimed by neighbor countries. Thailand is a shark. Laos and Cambodia are remoras. Reality is Thai people put work and effort to brand it and make it popular. Thats why people associate Papaya salad to Thai food and Thailand. Welcomes to Thailand anyway. Laos food is basically Thai issan food. Dont worry. If Laos people really did invent Papaya salad, they would be able to invent new delicious dishes and promote to the world, before Thai people do. So far, I aint seeing this happening. Thai people are known for their creativity to invent new things. Ps. Laos aint gonna surpass Thailand if they keep claiming. Papaya salad for example will only make the "Thai" dish become more popular throughout the world. This is why Thailand is one of the most popular destinations in Asia. Thanks to Laos and Cambodian people 😊
@@user-sx5ob9bm9t Thank you for preseving Thai cultures in your country, and promoting Thai tourism on Thai behalf, bro. We welcome 30-40 millions tourists yearly 🤤
@@user-sx5ob9bm9tbecause it is the truth. They don’t have the ability to promote things themselves so the only thing that they did is to leech off Thailand. Everything you will hear from these neighboring countries will involve Thailand somehow
Oh that means Burger, Pizzas are American foods then ! Stop lying to the world would you ? Why Thais like to lie a lot ? Oh wait I forgot ! it's a part of Thai culture and traditions.
Of course Lao people can claim it as their cultural dish. The Isan cuisine is technically of the ethnic Lao people. And, more than 80 percent of the Isan/ northeastern population are ethnic Lao people who assume Thai nationality anyways, with history to that. Thus, it's both a Thai Isan and Laotian dish, though it's of the ethnic Lao nonetheless. Not the trolling, lol.
@Andarsia No. Both people in Isan Thailand and Lao are Tai kadai, an ethinicity from South China. Also no one in Isan calls themselves Laos. They all call themselves Thai. Just because Papaya salad was invented by Isan people who share the same ethinicity to people in Lao, doesn't make it a Loatian dish.
Isan Thai people are actually Lao people who were annexed by the Thai government. Isan is a geographically region, however the people speak Lao not Isan.
Isan Thai people are Tai-kadai people. Laos people are also Tai-kadai. And Isan people speak Thai. Like many Laotian people speak Thai too lol
Hear me out, Isaan is still in Thailand but we can speak both Thai and Isaan (laos) too so we are still Thai people so please dont mixed us up and I am from Khon Kaen still
One of my best friends in middle/high school was Lao. I never turned down an offer when he invited me over to his house because I knew his mother was always cooking some bomb ass food lol. I remember her telling me stories of how the Thai people treated Lao and Hmong really poorly in the refugee camps, some very sad stories that I will never forget.
The papaya salad he ate looking out the papaya is highly modified. Growing up in Laos, the papaya salad is more pungent with fermentation fish and crabs.
I remember going to thai restaurants when i was younger (owned by thais) they didnt have Papaya salad, sticky rice or even laap. Over the years it somehow became a popular and now sold at most thai restaurants even sai oua/sai gok (lao sausages) and NAM KHAO which are all lao dishes! It could be that many of these thai restaurants are owned by Lao so people assume it's thai
Issan is Laos and Laos is the same as Issan. The French and big brother Thailand wanted Issan since the land is on the same side as Thailand. Thanks for making this video. Thumbs up 👍👍👍
Yeah. French separated Laos from Thailand that time. Right now Laos really happy to join China soon. Good luck. 😂
@@lexso5877 The One who created the galaxy and the earth was not willing Laos and her people to be wipe out of God's presence just like Israel. Don't laugh at her fall or you and those who are with you will not stand. Be humble. This awesome God whom I served His Majestic plans and will is just.
@@lexso5877 China and Israel God allows them to exist for God's purpose and they have been born in the ancient times. Have a blessed day 🕊️
Isaan people is Thai. We are not Laos and never wanted to Laos, a communist and underdeveloped country.
@@lexso5877
Friends from Laos told me that they were happy with the new railway built by the Chinese, especially where they had enjoyed increase of export to China therefore improving their economy.
Esan was Laos. The people still speak Lao and eat and carry the Laotian attitude. There shouldn’t be any argument about it. People think of Thailand when it comes to papaya salad because the image of tourism. The western civilizations experiencing papaya salad at their home countries at Thai restaurants in which the owners are usually Thai esan or Lao descendants. Serving Thai cuisine rather than Lao cuisine. The Lao owners knew and uses the tactic to get customers through the door by advertising serving thai cuisine. Love the content though. You had a very good researched before and into making this video 👍.
Thailand has Lao ethnic people more than Laos the whole country. Most importantly, Thai is Nationality. Tai-Kadai is language families. Lao is one ethnic in Tai-Kadai.
And we were only taught china has more ethnic mongolians than mongolia itself
This is correct. I find it funny all the time how Laotian people always try to force Thai people in Isan to self identity themsleves as Laotian. 99% of Thai people in Isan identity themsleves as Thai and they want nothing to do with Laos and Laotian people.
Dishes like Papaya salad, Larb, etc are originated in Isan, Thailand but with such stupid argument that Thai people in Isan are Laotian, so these dishes must come from Laos 😂
Yes thank you Thailand for stealing lao land and our people.
This is correct. Technically, papaya salad was invented by Thai people in Thailand who probably is Tai-kadai.
NO LMDAO. Thailand has more Tao-Kaidai people more than Lao has. It's not even Laos people living in Thailand lol
Thanks for making this video and connecting the dots. You explain things so well. Food history is so important in explaining things especially when it comes to Laos and the impact it’s actually made around the world. I will be watching more of your videos. Subscribed!
It belong to both but more of Esan than Thailand. The type of food that is call "thais" are actually Lao but from Isan/Esan. Back in the 50-60-70 people that go to work in bangkok are from the region. They naturally make and sell them to those that miss the backhome cooking. When the rest of the world see this in Bangkok so naturally they going to call it a Thai food not knowing the history of the region and people. Esan/Isan was populated by Lao speaking people. But today they speak mixed of Thai and Lao. But if you speak to the elder and listen to their music especially MORLAM style music, they sing in Lao. Thai change their name from Siam and the region they didnt carer about, they rename it as ESAN/ISAN. The name change during the time because they need to united to the area. There was rumor and conflict that the region want to break away from Thailand. They give it a name ESAN/ISAN for the Lao speaking area because the people are not Thai but they cannot be Lao because Laos might want it back. And I am tire of Laos being labeled as the most bombed country in the history/world. I wish people stop using that. I dont want Laos to be known as that. Laos is more than that.
Papaya salad is originated from Laos. Isan are Lao people, before , that's why, they eat similar food. Sticky rice, laab, papaya Salad and kang nor mai. Are Lao food. Because Thai people are popular, that's why, people are well known. Som tum was copy papaya salad from Laos. Som tum they are making like salad. Very light..Lao people called, ( papaya salad) we called " tum mark hoong". All Isan people called, papaya salad" tum mark hoong" too
Whole Lao was once part fo Thailand, so with your logic, whole Laos food is just Thai food
After all is said and done, I still prefer Lao papaya salad for its kicked-up flavors. I never order Thai papaya salad as it's always a disappointment flavor wise. Even the most pedestrian Lao papaya salad tastes 100 times better than the lackluster Thai version. My two cents only...
Thanks for touching the bases of both countries. As a first gen born Laotian American, I remember we had my parents sponsored a central Thai from Bangkok as an exchange student to continue his studies in California. Mind you, this was 1985 after majority of displaced Lao and Hmongs whom are starting their future in US. He admitted that Papaya Salad was looked down upon because it was meant for poor people, amongst other well known food items as Jew Bong and Laab was one he was told only for "low nannies" to eat. And, there were alot of tv shows from the 1980s in Thailand when it came to showcasing these foods, some guests were either uncomfortable or made comments in the likes of "will I die after eating this?", "I can't eat this because i can't stand the smell of pla rah(fermented fish sauce with crabs)", " this food looks very weird to me", "I thought this is only for taxi drivers and construction laborers to eat only"
I find it ironically amusing how cuisine was once down looked upon is now being aggressively approached and slap an "original" label to it.
im partially lao who grew up in the isaan region of thailand. back in the 80s-90s ppl in the central thailand (dominant political ethnic group) used to mentioned the same thing about the food so another version of papaya salad was invented which is called "tam thai". in tam thai you dont put pla ra (fermented fish) in, u add dried shrimps and roasted peanuts the taste is sweeter. and believe it or not, this version is what widely known in the today's world as a thai papaya salad not the one with pla ra.
I find it even more funny how Laos people think Papaya salad is even Laos food when it's a Thai isan food 😂😂😂
@@iROChakrihow is that funny
Correction its called 'thum maak houng! Papayas salad originated from Laos ! 👎
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the title is such a clickbait and people who are upset about these topic I can already tell that they grew up in the US, neither in Lao or Thailand. You people are literally American! As Thai person one thing I know about Lao people is that they’re very kind hearted and every Thai people know damn well that papaya salad is not real thai food and we wouldn’t even claim that is real thai food or at least it didn’t came from central part of Thailand. It’s all marketing not just history. if you understand why restaurant in USA advertise some of these food toward Americans as Thai food you’ll know. You’d be surprised many Thai restaurants in US also own by Lao people.
Agree, and sticky rice pair well with Papaya salad and who eat more sticky rice besides LAOS people!!
@@SKYBaal-ms6xw Northern Thailand also eat sticky rice.
@@Xenondosnorthern Thailand was once Laos..
@@viexay No, Lan Na Kingdom (northern Thailand) never be a part of Lan Xang (Laos).
@@Xenondos meant what is now known as the esaan region
"I'm not saying that papaya salad is definitely from Laos or even that Thailand stole it from Laos."
Went on to title the video "How Thailand Stole Food From Laos".
You know how people criticize white folks about not seasoning their dish? Thai papaya salad is the white version. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
and the far better known one in the world as well.
Lao has the best Papaya salad hands down then Cambodian
Don't Lie, Let see what Uncle Roger said about Khmer and Loas food,
South East Asia เป็นดินแดนที่มีวัฒนธรรมหลายเชื้อชาติ... in the old days ไม่มีคนในดินแดนแห่งนี้มานั่งเคลมวัฒนธรรมนั้นนี้เป็นของตนเพราะอยู่ร่วมกันมามี heritage ที่ร่วมกันหลายอย่าง....โดยเฉพาะดินแดนสุวรรณภูมิแห่งนี้ อุดมไปด้วยความหลากหลายของเชื้อชาติและวัฒนธรรมซึ่งเราก็เคารพในรากเหง้าที่มาของแต่ละวัฒนธรรมจนยากที่จะแบ่งแยกว่าใครเป็นเจ้าของ คนไทยทุกคนก็ทราบดีว่าส้มตำคืออาหารหลักของคนลาวและคนอิสานของไทย แต่ด้วยความ popularของอาหารนี้ที่ต่างชาติมีโอกาสมาทดลองชิมในเมืองไทย จึงกลายเป็นว่ามาเมืองไทยก็ต้องมาชิมส้มตำ การที่เมืองไทยโปรโมทการท่องเที่ยวก็ไม่ได้หมายความว่าเราไปโขมยอาหารประเทศชาติของใครมา...เรียนมาด้วยความเคารพนะคะ
back in the they its almost feel like Racism to issan people but thank god not anymore
In Lao, it’s is called Thum Mak Hoong not som tam. Isaan used to be part of Laos. Thank you.
Lao and Isan are the same. Central Thai, not so much.
it definitely originated in laos
This is fast becoming my favourite food channel. No one does the interaction between food & culture quite as well. Really looking forward to more of your output, You are doing something special & very well. Bravo.
Yeah I'm absolutely in love with these videos such a unique take on food
@@TipperProject Me too. From the very first video I watched on Portuguese. I think it's going to be huge & we were here early. Everything I've seen has been compelling. I subscribe to quite a few food related channels & this really stands out. Informative & he has a confident & engaging style.
Everybody knows papaya salad is a native Laotian dish. Thailand just borrow from Laos. Same thing with spaghetti. Marco Polo brought it from China. But of course, they will never admit to it.
It’s a Lao dish. Thailand have 23 million ethnic Lao population and being on of the top tourism powerhouses country while lao have 6-7 million ethnic Lao population.
somehow through migration SomTam became staple dish for middle class in BKK.
you can easily logically work this out.
yes, migration of isaan ppl to bangkok
Honestly all the old temple ruins in lao and Thailand all belong to Cambodia. The three country share similarities. Old people say the three country are brother and sister.
If you don't like it spicy, maybe try Cambodia's version (Bok Lahong). It is quite delicious. Some versions might include dried 🦐, 🦀, or softshell 🦀.
I had Alot of Cambodia friend They never had this dish until they hang around LAOS people, And Some of my friend married Cambodia women and that's how they learn how to make Papaya salad.
@@SKYBaal-ms6xw Not true. We do have Cambodian Papaya salad and many versions of this type of salad to compliment various meals which proves our history and knowledge of the dish and not just a copycat version. Your Cambodian friends probably don't cook or are probably part Chinese or Vietnamese. If their Cambodian side does not cook, then they wouldn't have authentic Cambodian recipes passed on to them.
@@ancientgardensculinaryarts2183 They are true Cambodian cause they're like to eat turtle.with Ginger.and.curry
@@SKYBaal-ms6xw Seeing the ingredients, I would say Chinese immigrants living in Cambodia would eat that combination. Cambodians would never eat this as it doesn't make sense flavor-wise. It's like some people may like adding pickled carrots to their Italian spaghetti, but Italians would never eat it that way. Chinese people have a specific flavor preference and I'm not surprised your friends had to modify a Cambodian dish to suit their palate. This dish speaks loudly that they are not Cambodian.
@@ancientgardensculinaryarts2183 Cambodians imitating all kind of Vietnamese salad dishes. Papaya salad with pork and shrimp, papaya salad with beef jerky, mango salad with pork and shrimp or with dried shrimp, Lotus stem salad with pork and shrimp, Vietnamese Chicken salad are all Vietnamese dishes.
Been watching the Portugal video non stop! Keep up amazing content
It's a classic case of cultures not really having hard borders in the same way governments do. People in the same general area are going to eat the same types of food. Another example would be rendang, which is a dish that's native to Indonesia, Malaysia, and some of the surrounding countries. No one state can claim full ownership of it because the food existed before modern day borders.
Essan people are Laotian. Essan used to be part of Laos.
Thai and Laos are same race. We came form south China long long time ago. Our ancestors is Tai people and Tai people 's ancestors is Yue people.
Now Yue people was known as Chuang people in China.
Zhuang=Chuang
💯 laos absolutely delicious cheers especially lao sausage
Omg
The Thais didn’t steal papaya salad they stole lao land and the people who speak the same language and eat the same food as what we like to call ourselves “children of sticky rice” and named them isan to differentiate them from the lao people.
😅 Thai didn't stole. It conquered ha2
One of most idiots....hahaha.
I was born in Thai Isan. If you ask me if I want my home to be part of Laos country or not. Short answer is “No”. I’m proud to be Thai and the past is the past. And you shouldn’t use the word steal.
Why on the video it said " Did Thailand steal Papaya Salad ? "
Country can not steal ! But people can !
As far as I know a Thai worker stole Blue Diamond ( Diamond of Royal Saudi Arabia. ) and many pounds of jewelry from Saudi's Royal Palace. This story is true.
Here is the article from Google ...
In 1989, Kriangkrai Techamong, a Thai worker, stole 91 kg (200 pounds) of jewellery and other valuable gems from the palace of Prince Faisal bin Fahd, where he was employed as a servant. Kriangkrai had access to the prince's bedroom and hid the stolen jewelry in a vacuum cleaner bag at the palace.
Who is the queen of Thailand blue diamond?
In what has become known as the Blue Diamond Affair, widespread rumors in Bangkok are that the gem was presented to Queen Sirikit, the wife of the late King Bhumibol Adulyadej, by top officials of the Thai police, which would explain why the Saudis saw the affair as going to the very top in Thailand and wasn't just ...Feb 22, 2022
What is the story of the blue diamond in Saudi Arabia?
At the heart of the story is an ultra-rare 50-carat blue diamond that the Saudis say was stolen from a palace in Riyadh by a Thai janitor, later stolen again by Thai police, and which has never been returned. For many years it has been rumoured that Queen Sirikit had taken the diamond for herself.
Why did Saudi cut ties with Thailand?
According to Arab News: It is to be recalled that the negligence of Thai authorities to investigate a number of security cases, where some Saudi citizens were victims, led to the deterioration of relations between the Kingdom and Thailand for more than 20 years.
What is the punishment for theft in Saudi Arabia?
Theft (stealing in secret) is punished by the amputation of the offender's right hand, and armed or highway robbery may be punished by execution, crucifixion, or amputation of hands and feet from opposite sides of the body, depending on the severity of the offense.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you so incredibly much for bringing more exposure to the history of Laos! Especially the bombing part, almost wanted to cry!! Seriously, but! It’s funny how you made a whole documentary of papaya salad but you don’t even really like papaya salad 😂 according to google, papaya salad was invented in Laos but yes it can be agreed that Thailand made it more popular but you know what, another neighboring southeast Asian country makes their own version of it too, Cambodia. 😅 but nice job, throughly enjoyed the video & the educational aspects of this.
Thank you for shining some light on my country ❤❤❤
It doesn't matter.
Thai and Lao people are of the same people in ancient times.
Another note, Lao people call papaya salad Tum Mak Hoong not Som Tum or Tum Som. We call it by the fruit is being used. Not by the taste of it.
Best papaya salad is Tum Muang Luang from Luang Prabang
Same with isan. Only Thais call it som tum.
You got that wrong, some regions of Laos still call papaya salad "tum som", even some parts of Issan and Northern Thailand. There's even a video in Thai explaining the history of som tum, and it came from the Lao word Tum som. Tum som is more used in Northern Laos than Southern Laos. I can't find the video right now because I can't write in Thai. Thai likes to say certain thing backward, for example, "ping gai (grilled chicken" in Lao, they call "gai ping". "Ping moo (grilled pork), in Lao, "moo ping" in Thai.
Papaya salad used to be looked down by Thai. Lao food stinks this and that. Now, papaya salad is becoming popular in the West, Thais didn’t hesitate to claim it as theirs. It’s Lao food.
Mmm. Laotian food...
“Stop talking shit with other country”
But Thailand try to register belongs to them so pity 😂
Papaya was first introduced in Asia through the Philippines. Its seeds, along with other native plants from the Americas, were brought by the Spaniards from Mexico through the "Manila Galleon" in the 16th century. In the Philippines, we also call the fruit "papaya" or "kapayas" (the latter is also used in East Malaysia and Brunei), which is the same (or similar) word in Native American languages like Carib and Arawak. From the Philippines, local and Chinese traders may have traded the plant all over Asia through China in the north and Borneo in the south. Also, around the same century, the Portuguese still owned Malacca in West Malaysia. Then from Malacca, the plant reached modern day Thailand, that's why it's called มะละกอ (malako) in Thai, which comes from the name of the place itself "Malacca/Melaka". However, I'm quite unsure about how it reached modern day Isan and Laos, probably they got it either from the Chinese or Vietnamese in the north or from Ayutthaya or Cambodia in the south (most probably the latter since Isan and Lao apparently borrowed the word หุ่ง/ຫຸ່ງ (hung) from Khmer).
While in peninsula Malaysia the word "Betik" are use to refer a papaya. Which were adopted from arabic "بطيخ" (bateekh) meaning "watermelon".
cambodia had very close interactions with the spanish philippines. spain even tried to conquer cambodia and turn it into a colony. look up the spanish cambodian war in the 1500s
@kepalakentang That's very interesting! In the Philippines, Spanish people are usually called "Kastilà". This is probably from "Castela" in Galician, which is translated as "Castilla" (Kingdom of Castille) in Spanish.
@kepalakentang Also, sweet potatoes are called "kamote" which is the same word used in Mexico and other countries in Latin America. The origin of the word comes from Nahuatl "camohtli".
Some old Lao people believe papaya first reached Laos through Cambodia. """....Papaya, among other fruits, were cultivated in Cambodia by Chinese settlers who immigrated in the 1500s from Hainan, China. The Lao name for papaya is mak hung and was likely derived from l'hun or lohung/rohung as papayas are called by Cambodians and Cambodian indigenous people living in provinces bordering the Southeastern region of Laos....""" Many European explorers went to Laos through the Cambodia- Southern Laos area.
Lol uncle Roger is Asian picking on other Asians. Not cool NOT cool. Most people eat padek its just got a different names. Uncle Roger needs to be more open minded to others culture even Laos. Please don't insult Laos. Thanks.🌹🕊️🙏🙏🙏
Firstly, kudos to you for going the extra mile, traveling from your home base to two countries, all for the love of papaya salad. You have a passion for food exploration! However, I'd like to clarify something. The 'Thai' version you showcased is the Luang Prabang (LP) style, not the traditional Thai. The distinguishing factor is in the slicing technique. The LP version slices the papaya in strips, whereas the authentic papaya salad demands the fruit to be finely chopped and cut into thin strips. I understand the creative liberties some might take, but it's disheartening when the core ingredient, papaya, is substituted or diluted with additions like carrots or glass noodles. Just a pet peeve of mine!
For reference, the traditional Thai version is generally sweeter and has a lighter color, with fermented padak substituted with fish sauce. Next time, ask Thai and Lao vendors to prepare both versions and see what might be intriguing if they offer both versions. It would make for an interesting comparison. I have a soft spot for the Lao version.
An interesting historical tidbit: after the secret war in Laos, many Laotians migrated and started restaurants in various parts of the world. Despite serving authentic Laotian dishes, they'd often label their establishments as 'Thai' because the cuisine was more widely recognized. So, there's a rich tapestry of history and culture behind these dishes that might take time to be apparent. It's always enlightening to delve deeper into the origins and evolutions of such beloved cuisines.
Keep exploring, and thanks for sharing your journey with us!
You should have that rooster and turn it into peang khai the Lao version.
I'm Half French thai& lao, I think there is more lao sources inside Tam Mak Hung or know by Thai as Som Tam, according to wikipedia : It is generally believed to have been created by the Lao people and is considered one of the national dishes of Laos, Green papaya salad is also popular in neighbouring Thailand's Isan region, whose population is mainly composed of ethnic Lao and from where it spread to the rest of Thailand...
Even the Cambodians and Viets Ik have always referred to papaya salad as Lao food. It's Lao food, Often you'll hear Thai people say "Thai version doesn't have pla ra(padaek) but just because it has only fish sauce doesn't make it non Lao. That's so dumb. Taking one ingredient out doesn't change it's origin. There are many Lao people who don't eat padaek sometimes
i am cambodian and yes it is a lao dish and invention
Thank you bro for your kindness and respect information for Laotian
Thailand didn’t steal anything. Every country has immigrants from other countries and dishes got integrated in every country creating their own version.
Thailand has paved the way from neighboring countries to introduce their foods. Stop making false accusations.
Exactly this! Plus, people should realize that Thailand is actually pretty diverse. Thai is just a nationality, not exactly an ethnicity
Cambodian, Thai, and Lao have their own spin on papaya salad and other similar dishes. The Thais are known to modernize and claim everything as their own.
So true. For example: Amok is Cambodian national dish. Thai copied it and called Hormok and said Cambodian copied from Thailand, just unbelievable. They call Thai ancient letters😂 it’s Khmer letters. ruclips.net/video/ybKuNY0Xvnk/видео.html
More like cambodia,lol
Stop bs bro.😊
@@Gojek-fp1bm จริงๆ bro .. u the 1 should stop bs 😂😂
@@happy4ever305 🥴 sad for your ancestors
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO!! 😭❤️ It sucks knowing that Lao culture and history has been erased and nonexistent in the world. There's so many foods that are marketed as "Thai" in the West, but are of Lao origin. Papaya salad, larb, ping gai, etc. It's so strange how our foods are so loved and well-received, but the word "Lao" is basically derogatory in Thailand, and many Isan people had to leave their Lao identity behind out of shame. The reason why there are 6x more Lao people in Thailand than in Laos is due to the failure of the Lao rebellion in 1828, which led to the Siamese government to forcibly move a majority of the Lao population to the west of the Mekong and to Bangkok to work as slaves. Lao people will fight to have our history and culture be heard and recognized.
You have to also admit that our parents didn't help put our identity out there when they opened a restaurant wherever they settled. They called it a Thai restaurant instead of Lao, but also made some dishes that were from Laos. It was understandable at the time, only Westerners heard of Thailand but not Laos. This should not longer be the case, and I'm proud of our loon Mai generation is putting us out there as Lao food not Thai or shared with Thai.
@@sssf85k True, I understand the whole "Thai restaurant" label thing they had to do to attract customers. I'm happy to see that there are more restaurants that are straight up presented as Lao now!
Is Laos only one country in the entire world Grilled chicken (Ping Gai)? 😮😂😂😂
@@nawaphonrujiwong2367 let's use some critical thinking here, obviously when I say ping gai I'm talking about how it's marinated and prepared, how it tastes and how it's cooked. obviously "grilled chicken" isn't only a lao thing, but the way lao people make it has become popularized in thailand.
YES 100% at the feeling “strange at how our foods are so well-loved and received but the word “Lao” is basically derogatory in Thailand” part!!!!!!!!! As a Lao person I [personally] have seen so many Lao/Cambodian culture videos and the ones that don’t mention any similarities with Thai culture, there would be comments saying “Thai people do this too” or something of that nature. The videos I [personally] have seen online of Thai culture, seldom do Thai people *ever* mention similarities with Lao or Khmer culture. As a person who’s in their late 20s, growing up I have definitely have heard my parents talk about how Thai people think they’re better than us. I’ve felt this too. It’s exhausting trying to convince people who don’t want you sitting at their table, and these people expect to be able to sit at yours. We value so many of the same things in our culture yet get little to no respect because we are not a rich country. Like imagine how powerful TLC (Thai/Lao/Cambodian) would be if we all helped each other out and worked together.
you have to understand that there are mainly two version of papaya salad, "tam thai" and "tam lao". and the later invented (tam thai) were a lot more popular to tourists and is the one sold mostly in thai restaurants around the world.
In Thailand there are very different recipes for Som Tam. What you get when you order Som Tam in a restaurant depends on the region of the country. The biggest differences are between the central region, the north and Isaan. Just give it a try.
Laotian food tastes better in Thailand
Excellent video and thank you. Since you're not Lao or Thai person, your narrative is based on historical facts of people who cook and consume. Tam Som was and is looked down upon food from real Thai elites. The real Thais eat only imported beef from Japan and Argentina.
New subscriber! Papaya salad in Laos is really spicy, so to be safe you should always tell them how many chili you want. Thank you for making this video, it means a lot to me as a Laotian. We are peaceful and forgiving people that why we rarely show our pain from those bombs.
12:43 I think u can said, Thai papaya salad is LAOS inspired salad... Without the femented fish saurce.. Adopted and adapted.by Thailand..
You have to tell them how you want it very spicy 🥵 or not yo spicy 🌶️
Laos papaya salad 🥗 today is not the real Laos Som Tom , they try to hard to put everything on
for real Laos Som Tom
it’s only papaya 🍋🍎sugar and fish sauce
this real Laos papaya salad , I went to Laos last year, I don’t own Som Tom 😊😅
In Thailand we have many versions of Som Tam, one of them which we call Thai Som Tam is sweeter and tastes milder than other versions, and it’s mainly only eaten in bangkok
Difference in Thai papaya salad vs lao/isan is Thai versions don’t use fermented fish. Lao/isan make it the same. They also eat sticky rice everyday. Thais rarely eat sticky rice.
@@awax9221 What do you mean Thai rarely eat sticky rice. Sticky rice is everywhere in I-san and center. Actually its everywhere lol
@@iROChakri isan people eat sticky rice central Thai real Thai people that do not speak isan do not eat sticky rice and if they do it’s rare.
@@awax9221 And Isan people are Thai people. So Thai people do eat lots of sticky rice. They are all real Thai people.
@@iROChakri Then why r they called isan and not Thai? And why does a person from Bangkok call someone from northeastern Thailand khon isan. The language and food is also different. So yea a thai person especially from Bangkok with no connection to isan do not eat sticky rice and if they do it’s a rare occasion. Only places that eat sticky rice everyday is Laos and northeastern part of Thailand “isan” which are ethnically lao but now part of Thailand.
Fan of your videos, but sometimes things seem poorly researched: Isaan food is not looked down upon. This is a point that could have been made a long time ago, but by now it is the most popular regional cuisine across Thailand. It's the most popular category in Grab and what feels like half of all street food is Isaan now. Likely supported by Isaan people being the biggest migrant group in most places. Granted, it hasn't arrived in many high-end restaurants, but average people hold Isaan food in high regard.
would you call tacos in america and tacos in mexico different cuisine? good job on your research. you just have to dig a little bit to find the truth. most people cant think past second level of connecting dots and using basic logic. Papaya salad is Lao cuisine. no matter who makes it or what country it can be made in today.
continue the hard work I can literally feel that you are gonna be a big youtuber soon!
In the past, people in the northern and Isan (North Eastern in Sanskrit) once referred by people in the central as Laotian. Then, the nationalism happened, and everyone in every corner of Thailand had been told that they are “Thai” by the government.
By the way, Using the word “stole” is a little bit controversial, just brace yourself for the flood of comments.
Yeah, the Siamese government wanted to erase the Lao people of Thailand's identity hence why they all just refer to them as Isan now.
@@hunhoon6283Thai government stopped counting Lao population for the census back in the mid 90s. If they had continued on with accurate census counts, it is estimated the Lao population is actually higher than the Central Thai population, hence why Lao is no longer counted but lumped in the general term as “Tai.”
Interestingly enough, all Tai populations (including Lao) always us “Tai” to mean “people of” and ONLY use this terminology to refer to related ethnic/tribal kin folks’ place of origins (never used for other ethnic groups or nationalities)…but yet Central Thais themselves are the only ones who don’t use or understand the concept of “Tai” when referring to themselves.
I believe there is a reason for this though (and technology has caught up enough to back some Lao people’s claims that the Central Thais aka the Syam Thais aren’t related to Tai-Lao ethnic tribes at all (originally of course). DNA analysis have shown they are of primarily Mon-Malay origins with recent Southern Chinese admixture. And anyone who understands the linguistics of how languages evolve at all, it is very clear the modern Thai language is a Creole language of some form, a mixture of Tai-Lao, Mon-Khmer and a little of Hakka Chinese.
That's true, I also found the " stole " thing strange. And tbh ,I never associated papaya salad with Thailand or Asia, for that matter .I lived in Malawi as a kid, and we would have it as well. Semi -ripe ones so less sour. I think that in many countries where people have it, they don't really question about it's origins. I'd like to see the Mexican version of this dish. Another thing, if a dish is too spicy/hot, you should never ever drink water ! A piece of bread ,or a few sips of milk, even natural joghurt, is the best way to soothe your mouth. For the de-mining program, Laos is still littered with unexplosed anti-personal ones, I think that they have started to use the giant african rats, which were used in Mozambique and successfully too. Because even today, there's people in Laos who lose a leg, here, life there. The US has the moral obligation to help them.
@@coucoubrandy1079 Yep, my dad told me a story when Thai ran sak Vietiane they took all the important documents and recorded history to Thailand..I'm not sure they burn it!! ITS call Bhai Ruan..
@SKYBaal-ms6xw I don't know anything about the history of Laos, or of South East Asia tbh, it's a pity that we don't hear much about it. I have a question : can you read Thai or Cambodian script ? Because they look a bit the same to me
The papaya salad he ate looking out the papaya is highly modified. Growing up in Laos, the papaya salad is more pungent with fermentation fish and crabs.
I absolutely love the content you have been putting out :)
the way you edit and share food history is not only interesting but concise, thank you!
This is a beautiful and Intelligent video. Beautiful editing and love the discussion. The Papaya salad, I once had in Laos is super spicy.
you got it brother . Lao foods was the best . you don't use your mouth to say the food it is good . you use your mouth to eat food to say foods it's good ..Lao peoples don't promote. .who made ideal of papaya is born from Lao mother land same as lao essan .. today's Thai running there mouth promoting claims that's Thai Thai.. Thai try do anything to erase Lao name
The first papaya salad you ate in Thailand at 3:40min is Luang Prabuang style salad and where is Luang Prabuang? Hmmm. Thailand is famous because of issan food and culture.
But Isan doesn't Lao anymore after separated. The food in Isaan was developed by combined with thai food culture and ingredients so the food the invented by Isaan is "Thai Isaan food".
Subscribed because of the Portuguese 🇵🇹 video and i am not disapointed ...
Keep these great videos coming
The Somtum Lady was saying fire in the hole...
This channel is Johnny Harris but for food.
I love papaya salad and we have our version in Cambodia too 🥲 I love it
Thank for clarifying NOTHING
Hmmm... I have tried both Thai and Laotian style papaya salad. I prefer Thai. I do love Issan/Esan food because it is more garlicky. I think what is really innovative is how Thailand invented Pad Thai for marketing purposes and nation building in the 1930s. Either way, I do love Laotian food as well. In fact, all of SE Asian food is so tasty. Can you do a video on how the Portuguese influenced Korean kimchi? Before the Portuguese brought peppers to Asia, kimchi wasn't red and it wasn't spicy!
You said you do love issan food, basically. Those people who call themselves issan used to be Laotian
Isaan is Lao food mixed with some Thai influences, but across the River, modern Lao food is heavily mixed with Vietnamese and French influences.
U can love what ever u want.. but Papaya salad is original Laos....Thai made it sweet and add on peanut...In Laos there are a lot of variation every chef cook differently..
7000 subscribers and he’s already travelling to other countries to film videos, love that for you
This video was already in production 10 days ago when he had 150 subs.
There are the same people but separated by French colonists
These are high-quality videos! I just like it more when you do it about countries where cold is forgotten.
Trick this guy I think you know nothing
I love the way you use food to tell stories. Gives me Anthony Bourdain vibes
I won't be surprised when this channel reaches a million subscribers
Anthony Bourdain is my main inspiration, so that means a lot to me!
did chine steal mala LOL
Awesome video mate, hope this one blows up like your Portugeuse video 🇵🇹 📹
"I'm not gonna use English too loudly here"
Something tells me that's not actually an issue, similar to how most Vietnamese have forgiven/don't care about Americans anymore.
Hell, if you visit Cambodia, people there will outright tell you that they hate the Viets more than Pol Pot because they 'invaded their country'.
Crazy
Love the video btw definitely please make more!
How can Laos make fish sauce to use in Papaya salad ?
That's one of the very dumbest question s I've ever read in RUclips.
@@shonietojve Go buy youtube premium first little kid lol.
I didn't know that papaya comes from the Americas! The spicies of food that was brought from the Americas had such a huge impact on the world! So many food that we eat regularly comes from the Americas like corn, tomatoes & potatoes.
Witnessing your rise from Earl to Duke to Prince to Absolute Monarch has been wonderful. Continue killing it brother 💪😎
These videos are great, thanks for uploading them all the time, they feel like documentaries even though they're 10mins which is pretty crazy. Thanks for these great videos!
When I think about papaya salad, I think about Laos, not Thailand. When I think about curry, now that’s Thailand.
issan is Laos back in many decade ago issan even fight with siam bc they dont want to be the part of siam
On the other hand, as you might not know. Thailand lost half of its territory. Mekong River because France built it and Thai people don't have to welcome Isaan Lao people that you talk about because Isaan is already their home. Your information is one-sided.
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One again, really good video. Shooting tip... get a gimbal or a gimbal camera. Cheers and Adventure on!
Honestly, Thai label it as a country food.. do to ferment fish sauce..when food become popular Thai change the name to Some Tam...Now sale all over...Laos has so many style .. north south and central cook different..
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Bro very good chanel i found your chanel by the portuguese cousine video keep up doing videos like this very good video
You are right on everything about papaya salad and issan people, by the way, issan people are Laotian people. Keep up the good work.
Issaan people are lao descendants. It's sad that the new generation of issaan younger Gen z don't know they're parents and elders were original lao people at one point before getting adopted into Thailand... Issaan language is Lao period dot and issaan food is Lao food. Lao people are pretty humble that's why they don't really fight back. Lao people are chill and laid back we want peace not war. Thailand is always claiming to have invented something or the first to do something taking lao credit.
And it's thummuck hoong to laos not som tom
I have few Isan Thai people and they want nothing to do with Laotian people in Lao. Its a shame how Laotian people always try to claim Thai dishes such as Papaya salad esp when papaya and red chili for example were imported to Southeast Asia during Ayutthaya period and Thai people taught Laotian people how to cook papaya salad. Alsp the language in Lao is Thai, not the other way around.
@@iROChakri that's right you have a few issaan people that believe that... But majority knows they are lao deep down. that's a total lie even the white people said papaya salad originated from laos and even scholars n historians have said Thailand published their region and claimed the issaan part as their own. U central Thai liar. I understand it's been decades but the food the stews and sauces don't lie issaan cuisine is very much laos . Bye hater. If you say issaan people don't wanna be associated with laos then stop speaking our language and speak full Thai instead of using 90 percent of lao dialect when u speak. Period. Dot. I believe issaan people know where they came from so it don't matter. Their food is our food pretty much. They are a hybrid of Thai and mostly lao dialect.
Issaan = laos not central Thailand... issaan was a name given from real Thai natives to call lao people living in Thailand stolen land from lao. Essentially brain washing them. Which is why they are now called issaan people.... But you knows it lao... Issaan people will always speak lao dialect so in the end Thai never truly won converting our people.
Issan basically means northeast in Thai language. People in Issan are Thai people by nationality, mostly Tai ethnicity. Nothing about Isan is Laos or Lao. Most Thai people in Issan also dont associate themselves with Laos people in Lao.
You can see Laos as a left over part of Thailand (same to Cambodia), that got separated during French colonization. If French didnt come, there would be no Cambodia and Laos, but only greater Thailand. Basically, Laos and Cambodia came from Thailand. Thats a fact. You can already see that Laos people speak a variety of Thai language as well. I have visited Laos, and I can communicate with people there just fine. They speak Thai with some weird accent. After all as I said, Laos was once part of Thailand. So the evidences of Thai influences still can be seen in today Laos ie food, language, cultures etc.
@@iROChakri LMAO your delusional lao came before Thailand. Long lives lao language with the issaan. Lao power
It always coming to one or two things, Pride of their heritage or Rivalry against the neighbor.
I have no idea how I got here but I'm so happy I am. Big fan, love your format and content
Issan food is popular all over Thailand, especially in Bangkok, no idea what you're talking about...
He was putting it in historical context. Pay attention.
He said "not a lot of food from Issan is eaten in the rest of the country". This doesn't mean there isn't Issan food that is popular in Thailand, but that there are many foods that have not been accepted by Bangkok Thais. Even then, the Issan foods that are popular all over Thailand have been modified to accomodate the Central Thai palette (aka less peppers, sweeter, etc.). However, there are still hundreds of Isaan dishes that are still ignored and see as gross - specifically foods containing insects or fermented fish.
Isan food is lao food 80% of isan people are ethnically lao. Same language same food same culture same errthang 😂
@@awax9221 Lao and Isan had separated for a long time and Isan developed there food more than Lao by combined with Thai food culture (many ingredient can be found only in Thailand in the past).
@avusookay6743So you're FAKE Buddhist right ? Lying is a sin !
Isan people are just Suay and Kui tribes had been living in the region for more than 5000 years. Suay and Kui belong to Mon/Khmer. These people converted their culture, traditions, languages to become Lao in the 14th century. After the Frenco-Siamese treaty in 1907 the what do called Isan or Northeastern Thailand was decided by using the Mekhong River as the boundary between Thailand and Laos.
Everything that is popular in Thailand is always claimed by neighbor countries. Thailand is a shark. Laos and Cambodia are remoras. Reality is Thai people put work and effort to brand it and make it popular. Thats why people associate Papaya salad to Thai food and Thailand. Welcomes to Thailand anyway.
Laos food is basically Thai issan food. Dont worry. If Laos people really did invent Papaya salad, they would be able to invent new delicious dishes and promote to the world, before Thai people do. So far, I aint seeing this happening. Thai people are known for their creativity to invent new things.
Ps. Laos aint gonna surpass Thailand if they keep claiming. Papaya salad for example will only make the "Thai" dish become more popular throughout the world. This is why Thailand is one of the most popular destinations in Asia. Thanks to Laos and Cambodian people 😊
@@user-sx5ob9bm9t Thank you for preseving Thai cultures in your country, and promoting Thai tourism on Thai behalf, bro. We welcome 30-40 millions tourists yearly 🤤
@@user-sx5ob9bm9tbecause it is the truth. They don’t have the ability to promote things themselves so the only thing that they did is to leech off Thailand. Everything you will hear from these neighboring countries will involve Thailand somehow
Oh that means Burger, Pizzas are American foods then ! Stop lying to the world would you ? Why Thais like to lie a lot ? Oh wait I forgot ! it's a part of Thai culture and traditions.
Of course Lao people can claim it as their cultural dish. The Isan cuisine is technically of the ethnic Lao people. And, more than 80 percent of the Isan/ northeastern population are ethnic Lao people who assume Thai nationality anyways, with history to that. Thus, it's both a Thai Isan and Laotian dish, though it's of the ethnic Lao nonetheless. Not the trolling, lol.
@Andarsia No. Both people in Isan Thailand and Lao are Tai kadai, an ethinicity from South China. Also no one in Isan calls themselves Laos. They all call themselves Thai. Just because Papaya salad was invented by Isan people who share the same ethinicity to people in Lao, doesn't make it a Loatian dish.
You should try more than one places in each country.