Does Inverting Mozart Really Sound Like Beethoven?
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Welcome to LivingPianos.com, I’m Robert Estrin. The subject today is how Mozart can sound like Beethoven when the music is in a minor key. You might be thinking that Beethoven and Mozart have completely different musical personalities. That’s true. Even though they lived around the same time, you hear the fire and the passion of Beethoven and the elegance and sweetness of Mozart. So, what are the similarities between these two brilliant and unique composers?
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Mozart's works sounds romantic, dark, dramatic, sad and heavy.
I recommend these works of Mozart that have a lot of emotion and feelings.
Fantasy for organ in F minor kv. 608
Andante for organ in F minor kv. 594
Kyrie in D minor kv. 341
Piano concertos No.20 kv.466, Piano concerto No.24 kv.491
Aria for bass and orchestra "Cosi dunque tradisci" Kv.432
Miserere kv.85
Viaticum from Litaniae kv.125
Modulating prelude kv.624
Prelude and fugue for piano kv. 394
Fantasy for piano in C minor kv. 396
String quintet no.2 in C minor kv.406, String Quintet no.3 in C major kv.515
String Quintet no.4 in G minor kv.516 String Quintet no.5 in D major kv.593
Thamos king of Egypt kv. 345
Arias and choruses "Pieta numi pieta" "Qual nuovo terrore" "Ha vinto amore" "O Voto Tremendo" "Tutte nel cor vi sento" "D'oreste d'aiace" from the Opera Idomeneo kv.366
Concertante symphony for violin and viola kv.364 (the second "andante" movement is sublime and very melancholic)
Piano Concerto No. 23 "Adagio" kv.488
String Quartet no.3 kv.156 (adagio)
String Quartet No.8 kv.168 (andante)
String Quartet No.13 kv.173
String Quartet No.11kv.171
String Quartet No.15 kv.421
String Quartet No.18 kv.464
String Quartet No.19 kv.465
String Quartet No.16 kv.428
Quartet for piano and strings kv.478
Masonic Funeral kv.477
Concerto for two pianos kv.365
Adagio & fugue for strings in C minor kv.546
Laudate Dominum from Visperas Solemnes kv.339
Mass in D minor kv.65
Ave verum corpus kv.618
Violin Sonata in E minor kv.304
Rondo for piano in A minor kv.511
Adagio for piano in B minor kv. 540
Overture from Don Giovanni kv.527 Arias "A cenar teco" "Don Ottavio so morta" "Crudele" "Ah soccorso! Son tradito"
Aria "L'ho Perduta" from the Opera The Marriage of Fifaro kv.492
Andantino from Piano Concerto No. 9 kv.271
Piano Sonata No.15 kv.533 (andante)
Piano Sonata No.14 kv.457
Piano Sonata No. 8 kv.310
Piano Fantasy kv.397
Piano Fantasy kv.475
Mass in C minor kv.427
Aria for soprano & orchestra "Popoli di Tessaglia" kv.316
Aria for soprano & orchestra "Mia Speranza Adorara!" Kv.416
Aria for soprano kv.272
Symphony No.25 in G minor kv.183
Symphony No.38 in D major kv.504
Symphony No.39 kv.543
Tremendum from Litaniae Venerabili Altaris kv.243
Piano Concerto No.25 kv.503
Misericordias Domini kv.222
Funeral march for piano in C minor kv.453a
Sonata for violin and piano kv.379
Symphony No.40 kv.550
Sonata for violin and piano kv.526
Variations for violin and piano in G minor kv.360
Piano Concerto No.22 kv.482 (andante)
Piano concerto No.18 kv.456 (andante)
"Laudate pueri" from Visperas Solemnes kv.339
Variations for piano kv.455, kv.354, kv.398, kv.264, kv.500
Gigue for piano kv.574
Suite for piano kv.399
Menuet for piano kv.355
Arias "Der, welcher wandert diese straße volt" "Ach, ich fuhl's, es ist verschwunden, ewighinder liebe gluck" from the Opera Magic Flute kv.620
Piano sonata for 4 hands kv.497
Aria "Wer ein liebchen hat gefunden" from the opera The Abduction from the Seraglio kv.384
Lieder for voice and piano kv.519, kv.523, kv.619, kv.520, kv.390 😉
Wow, thanks a lot.
Amazing comment bravo
At first i was thinking Mozart for the 1st, but when i heard the second i knew it was Mozart. I chose Beethoven 1st and Mozart 2nd....maybe its just me, but Mozart seems more playful and more simplistic. Where Beethoven is more emotional driven and to the point. I love vids like this...keep up the good work.
Thank you so much for the new style of longer videos, we were always craving for more Robert, learning and enjoying at the same time
That's very good to hear. I've got lots more coming for you!
First Beethoven. Second Mozart. Thank you very much, as always
When we inverted Mozart's major work, it became Beethovenian. My question is how would it be if we took a Major work of Beethoven and inverted it. Would it sound like Mozart?
some examples that i have found:
Für Elise: ruclips.net/video/cXXElxO6KaY/видео.html
Moonlight 1st mvt: ruclips.net/video/k-g9xHUr-GQ/видео.html
Moonlight 3rd mvt: ruclips.net/video/KdmmXm3dOYM/видео.html
5th Symphony, 3rd/4th mvt: ruclips.net/video/-JB0vdsckBY/видео.html
so no, it likely won't sound like mozart...
I think you could still say that it's beethoven because when you think from a form standpoint, beethoven had a lot more different ideas. With mozart, it is all mostly about nicely framed, gallant-style octaves, scales and arpeggios. Whereas with beethoven, maybe slightly disregarding his early compositions, the form is always here and there with improvisatory and even more brusque structure than mozart regardless of the key.
Beethoven: Moonlight Sonata 1st movement and Mozart: Scene from Don Giovanni where Don Giovanni is stabbed by the Commendatory
@@Fm-xu9id Wow! Thank you! I am really enlightened :) Thank you!
I really thought the second one was Beethoven! Thanks for the great content!
I thought Mozart was 1st (i cry) :(.
An early Beethoven compared with a relatively later Mozart. I knew it going in. The overlap is interesting but not surprising. That 'classicism' however late, was 'in the air' at that time. If Mozart had lived longer, then the Romantic zeitgeist would have taken over as it did with Beethoven.
I love your videos and your lessons on music theory! Please keep them coming. You have so much knowledge and understanding, and I have so much to learn!
Thank you! Will do!
I didn't know these pieces and I got it right away. The first just has those Beethoven-y dynamics and phrases like at 06:34 where he goes up the scale forward-back-forward-back (same as in Moonlight Sonata) compared to the Mozart style at 9:14 where he likes to run straight up and down (also the left hand 1-5-3-5 16th notes are very much Mozart-y). Great video as always!
There is a particular "pattern of emotion" that each composer had in the way they communicated through each of their works honestly.
Although, if I had not known that it was a quiz I would not have known to the difference between the two!!!
Awesome episode!!!!
Great! I always wanted to know it. I could imagine what it sounded like. Great job!
What an interesting video,and what a nice player Definitely enjoyed it !
I think First one is Beethoven and later Mozart 😊 thank you sir for such a great insight 👍👍
Should remove this comment as to not ruin it for others who scroll down the comments as they listen.
Loving your channel from Melbourne, Australia. I’m so familiar with these pieces that it was no challenge for me but enjoyed hearing them .
Thank you Robert,
videos about Mozart are much appreciated
I grew up listening to Gilels's Beethoven sonatas. That was easy for me.
Your 7 foot concert grand sounds amazing! Another great vid and performance.
Thank you!
Wonderful video. 💪
Awesome video. This was a real eye opener!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanx, Robert.
Great thumbnail it made sense after watching the video. Robert have you ever noticed or wondered why Mozart’s 2nd movement of both piano concertos No 6 and No 21 are surprisingly similar ?
That grand piano really sounds so much better than the one in the studio. :) what a beautiful instrument.
I really like the way your digital piano has the action exposed. What kind of digital piano is that?
It is one of 2 prototype modular concert grand systems I have developed.
1:56 I hated intervals until you explained it like that
i had it backwards but both sounded like my idea of beethoven ... i would not have thought mozart at all ...
This was interesting, but I miss your ‘how to’ piano lesson videos. I hope you continue those as well. Thanks.
When I heard the passage at 7:28 I immediately knew without a doubt it was Beethoven
I guessed right, but it was really because it seems Mozart used a lot more trills and ornaments which were evident in the second piece, rather than the tone.
The trills really do give it away...
This is so cool!
From where is the sound coming from? Some sort of sensors?
Yeah, this is pretty much a high-quality digital piano that was uncovered. Most digital pianos don’t look like this when uncovered, but the higher end ones at around 4000+ start looking like this.
Great subject and content. Yes, the Mozart piece did have echoes of Beethoven's style.
I guessed it right, but if you listen to Beethoven or Mozart enough you’ll realize they both have distinct flavors of their compositional techniques that set them apart enough. Beethoven’s use of his broken arpeggios and booming sometimes galloping rhythms while Mozart shines in his melodic runs and phrasing of them that makes his pieces distinct to him. Great video!
Thanks!
I guessed right!
Love your videos and lessons!
Makes us wonder how different Mozart's style would have become if he had lived another 35 years. His late operas are so different from the early ones, it gives us a taste of what was to come.
Amazing!
I guessed Beethoven on the first piece I was pretty sure of it....then the second piece had me second guessing, quite remarkable, thanks Robert, that was really interesting 😁👍🏼👏🏻
Thank you foe this lesson.
I regret having listened to all Mozart's and Beethoven's sonatas so much that I can't guess since I already know the piece too well. Btw I would say that sonata 5 up until 7:00 kinda sounds like Mozart, but from 7:00 it's clearly Beethoven.
Wow, it was actually quite difficult to tell, I only knew which was which because I recognized the Beethoven sonata.
I love his passion
, wow I sure underrated you years ago and I apologize you are a genius. Don
First plays, that's for sure Beethoven, second one plays, oh, that's for sure Beethoven.
I got it wrong. Oh well. But I have a question: I see only one mic on the piano. Wouldn't that pick up the middle notes more than the high and low notes? Are there other mics out of sight? I know sound recording is a difficult thing, and I'd like to learn more about it. Can you make a video about that?
Having been already familiar with both pieces of music, I knew right away the first piece was Beethoven and the second was Mozart. I've listened to both pieces countless times but it was a great comparison!
Great idea. I got the pieces right - but - I was second guessing myself thinking you had "inverted" them. I find I do not like Mozart generally, but I do like Beethoven. I find Chopin & Liszt more to my liking.
Not quite clear on the inverted thing, looks like you just switched hands?
8:42 kinda gives it away who wrote it
That is just crazy!
Can you make a video about that keyboard setup?
what action is that?
In your other video about the difference between Mozart and Beethoven, I wrote that;
"I don't think this is true. Beethoven Piano Sonata in C minor Op.111 (considered his final masterpiece) first movement contains that's rather minuscule in its development. Beethoven tries to imitate the dissonant fugal style of Mozart's fugue for two pianos K. 426. Whereas Mozart's Piano Sonata for 4 Hands in F major K.497 is far more expansive than stuff like Beethoven Op.49 Piano Sonatas.
Also one thing about Beethoven is that, he struggles a lot. In the first movements of Piano Sonata Op.31 No.2 in D minor "Tempest" and Symphony No.5 in C minor, there's too much "dragging out" of things (prolonged chords, pauses, long recitatives). The Archduke Piano Trio is another example"
Beethoven is a much concentrated, serious, and deep composer than Mozart. It has a more complex sense of expression, a far more technical use of musical motifs, more technical demand for performers and the greater capability for create logical continuity for each structure.
great stuff. i was right.... i dont know the names of pieces but i probably heard them before somewhere.
Wow you blew my mind! I think the first one is Mozart and second is Beethovens.
First one is Beethoven and the second one is Mozart. I'm much more listening to Beethoven but in this case I more like Mozart's one.
I guessed wrong :( It would be cool to not reveal the authors on the same video tho. Thanks for your videos man!
Mozart loves his Trills and Scales 😀
This is very interesting. If you told me that reversed version was a lost composition of beethoven, i would believe it. Really sounds like beethoven when you reverse it
That background looks like Mozart and Beethoven are about to square up for a rap battle
Obviously the 1st one is Beethoven and the 2nd is Mozart. Beethoven's music is more dramatic with more subito changes while Mozart's is sweet with simple joy.
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I thought the first one was mozart until the second one played, which I knew for sure, %100, was mozart. That's cool...
Does inverted Beethoven sounds like Mozart then??? A question.. I guess worth testing :)
What is this piano?
I love piano concerto 20.
Yeah, Got it right
A: Beethoven B: Mozart. I didn't cheat. Hope I'm not wrong...yikes, that was hard.
You should have pulled an agadmator and said, "Feel free to pause the video . . . ," before you told us which was which!
Just wondering if you invert a Beethoven, would it sound like Mozart.....
I knew the first one was Beethoven from a "Frasier" episode. Although he never mentions the name of the piece, I know Beethoven is more of a "Frasier" piece than Mozart.
Surely Mozart at one time played his music reversed just for fun. Did not Beethoven turn a rivals music in reverse to make fun of him??
I got it wrong 😮😮
Basically, Tennet in the classical 🤣.
Mozart has one of the most distinguishable sounds-a little education and it will be easy to tell the difference!
and then Vivaldi enters.........................
Got it. Woo hoo!
I got it right! Uhuul
From 10:30 to 10:32 is incorrect. Beethoven sounds like Mozart. Who wrote first? MOZART
That's exactly the point - how Mozart can sometimes sound like Beethoven - particularly when he is in a minor key.
Beethoven is a much concentrated, serious, and deep composer than Mozart. It has a more complex sense of expression, a far more technical use of musical motifs, more technical demand for performers and the greater capability for create logical continuity for each structure.
Interesting. I thought the first one was Mozart.
Glory was right!
Yay I got it right number 1 was Beethoven number 2 was Mozart yay
If what you hear makes you happy then it's probably Mozart's.
If what you hear makes you depressed then it has to be Beethoven's
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I was correct.
One has to know the stylistic character of each composer and then its quite obvious who composed it. Being a retired music teacher made it easier for me and anybody who has studied music at the college level should also know if they didn't then they slept through their music history class.
Wait, is Robert married?
Sorry Robert, no confusion between the way each composer handles thematic material and development even so early on in Beethoven's musical life. And early Beethoven vs late Mozart, one would expect that what is being heard is a transition of Beethoven's early stage and growth as a composer. In terms of Mozart's musical periods, the candle that burned half as long also burned twice as bright. As short as his life was there was immense growth over that short a span. Piano sonatas were not Morzart's essential compositional form and unlike Beethoven did not mirror or foreshadow his greater compositional and formal achievements. Mozart strength, particularly in the piano concerti, the establishment of soloist vs orchestra as if he infused into the form the relationship of an operatic aria. If we are comparing "power and force" between the two, the Mozart Requiem is required listening.
Beethoven better