I absolutely love that the music starts out using Harumi's lietmotif until Lloyd convinces himself that Avatar Harumi isn't real, after which Unagami's lietmotif is used. It must help that Unagami and Harumi's themes are so melodically similar.
So here's an interesting thing I've been thinking about: A lot of people on the interwebs debate wether Avatar!Harumi is actually the real Harumi brought back from the dead, an NPC, or a real player using Harumi as their avatar. The answer to this debate comes in the weirdest of places: The Ninjago Character Encyclopedia. The entry on Avatar!Harumi states that she was created from Lloyd's memories. So she's essentially a manifestation not of how Harumi was, but of how Lloyd specifically _remembers_ Harumi being. Which, come to think of it, is an explanation for a lot of weird things about her character. Avatarumi (which is what imma call her for the rest of this comment) is a way better fighter than her flesh and blood counterpart was. This is probably because every fight Lloyd had with her was a struggle. Not actually because she was stronger, but because he was always off his game and/or at a disadvantage for a couple of reasons. But her being a way better fighter than him is how the game represents this. Even weirder than how strong she is, is the way she behaves during the battle. She flips back and forth between her sweet, innocent persona, and being completely merciless and cold way, _way_ more often than her actual self ever did. The real Harumi tried tricking Lloyd by appearing more innocent a couple times per season. This AI knockoff does it three times in the span of two minutes. This is because, undoubtedly, Lloyd's memory is an exaggeration. I can say this with certainty because _anyone's_ memory is like this naturally. We all remember good things as better and bad things as worse, we all exaggerate things in our heads at least a little bit. And lastly, there's her dialogue near the start of the fight. She says that Lloyd left her behind and couldn't save her. And that's a collection of lines that have always bugged me, from the moment I saw this scene. Because it's something no one would say. Not any IRL person, not Unagami, not the real Harumi. There's no way anyone would blame Lloyd for her death, he's just not responsible for what happened in the slightest. But he probably blames _himself_ on some level, and if Avatarumi is a manifestation of his thoughts, then she would, too. Thank you for reading my frickin' four-paragraph essay about why this scene is actually brilliant and not crap like I initially thought it was, your time is much appreciated.
You make good points and I agree with you. It’d be scary if Avatarumi were to be the Harumi in crystallized. To have a representation of a character who is basically merciless with no actual background, motive, or any way to negotiate would be very bad news, especially if her bad sides were exaggerated.
the only thing that doesn't make sense to me in this explaination is that Avatarumi doesn't know the answer to Lloyd's question at the end. If she's a representation from Lloyd's memories she should know that they went to feed the poor in their first date, since lloyd didn't forget this. The rest of the theory is great though !
@@conflictbrooks well I still like the theory either way ! It does make it a more interesting fight and gives much more meaning to the music And it could always be something about Unagami taking Harumi as she is, checking very quickly through the pages to check « how she usually acts according to Lloyd » and then taking control of her and completely F up the questioning at the end cause he didn’t study enough !
All of Harumi's soundtracks are *KILL-ER AMAZING!!!* Which is somewhat fitting as she has attempted to kill Lloyd at least 4/5 times (twice from attempting to drown him, twice from attempting to slash/stab him in the chest and once from him nearly getting eaten alive by piranhas). *And* the avatar version of her did actually kill him in Prime Empire (though her avatar version of her did die as well in the process). Plus she was the cause for Hutchins and her adoptive parents deaths. Also let's not forget about how many citizens would've died when she and Emperor Garmadon took over and ruled Ninjago city.
Ninjago Writer 1: Should we make lloyd the main character? Ninjago Writer 2: Yeah but make him traumatized more and more with double the amount of pain.
My god what an amazing track. I absolutely love this. I really like the intense harumi theme followed by the techno arcade music making it seem like a simulation. Probably my favorite ninjago soundtrack followed by Lloyd vs garmadon season 8
I don’t know if this is just me but If you listen with headphones, in the beginning you can feel some of the music moving left to right inside your headphones don’t know if it’s just me or what
The newer seasons aren't great but this scene was done really well. The soundtrack was amazing. Edit:watched all of 11 and 12 and 13 and I’ve changed my mind, the new episodes are pretty great.
I kind of love how this soundtrack is, within the context of the first time it's played, a video game boss battle theme. Because that means that after the Overlord explained that he created the Great Devourer, he quite literally starting hearing boss music.
0:00 the first strike 0:28 serious fighting 1:03 The trick 1:18 the idea 1:33 the confirmation 1:43 the realization 1:46 the final battle 2:06 the last strike I hate these names so heres a better version a entire year later 00:00 The Hit 0:28 A One-Sided Battle 1:03 The Deceiving Act 1:18 The Plan 1:33 The Unfortunate Confirmation 1:43 The Confrontation 1:46 The True Fight 2:06 The Last Swing
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I absolutely love that the music starts out using Harumi's lietmotif until Lloyd convinces himself that Avatar Harumi isn't real, after which Unagami's lietmotif is used. It must help that Unagami and Harumi's themes are so melodically similar.
This is qhy Ninjago soundtrack is amazing
@@ZeroJump Amen :)
The brilliance of the Ninjago soundtrack strikes yet again.
As an aspiring composer (with Ninjago's soundtrack being a major source of inspiration for me) this is very beneficial to know!
I can't stop listening to this soundtrack. It's incredible!
Soundtracks that Harumi is in are incredible overall
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Agreed.
The fighting animation in this scene was just so smooth, I love it. The animation is eye-candy.
So here's an interesting thing I've been thinking about:
A lot of people on the interwebs debate wether Avatar!Harumi is actually the real Harumi brought back from the dead, an NPC, or a real player using Harumi as their avatar.
The answer to this debate comes in the weirdest of places: The Ninjago Character Encyclopedia. The entry on Avatar!Harumi states that she was created from Lloyd's memories. So she's essentially a manifestation not of how Harumi was, but of how Lloyd specifically _remembers_ Harumi being. Which, come to think of it, is an explanation for a lot of weird things about her character.
Avatarumi (which is what imma call her for the rest of this comment) is a way better fighter than her flesh and blood counterpart was. This is probably because every fight Lloyd had with her was a struggle. Not actually because she was stronger, but because he was always off his game and/or at a disadvantage for a couple of reasons. But her being a way better fighter than him is how the game represents this.
Even weirder than how strong she is, is the way she behaves during the battle. She flips back and forth between her sweet, innocent persona, and being completely merciless and cold way, _way_ more often than her actual self ever did. The real Harumi tried tricking Lloyd by appearing more innocent a couple times per season. This AI knockoff does it three times in the span of two minutes. This is because, undoubtedly, Lloyd's memory is an exaggeration. I can say this with certainty because _anyone's_ memory is like this naturally. We all remember good things as better and bad things as worse, we all exaggerate things in our heads at least a little bit.
And lastly, there's her dialogue near the start of the fight. She says that Lloyd left her behind and couldn't save her. And that's a collection of lines that have always bugged me, from the moment I saw this scene. Because it's something no one would say. Not any IRL person, not Unagami, not the real Harumi. There's no way anyone would blame Lloyd for her death, he's just not responsible for what happened in the slightest. But he probably blames _himself_ on some level, and if Avatarumi is a manifestation of his thoughts, then she would, too.
Thank you for reading my frickin' four-paragraph essay about why this scene is actually brilliant and not crap like I initially thought it was, your time is much appreciated.
Hmmm...Interisting
You make good points and I agree with you. It’d be scary if Avatarumi were to be the Harumi in crystallized. To have a representation of a character who is basically merciless with no actual background, motive, or any way to negotiate would be very bad news, especially if her bad sides were exaggerated.
the only thing that doesn't make sense to me in this explaination is that Avatarumi doesn't know the answer to Lloyd's question at the end. If she's a representation from Lloyd's memories she should know that they went to feed the poor in their first date, since lloyd didn't forget this. The rest of the theory is great though !
@@medorgaming26 This... Is a very good point. I guess Unagami didn't access that specific memory? I don't know. It does kinda fall apart there...
@@conflictbrooks well I still like the theory either way ! It does make it a more interesting fight and gives much more meaning to the music
And it could always be something about Unagami taking Harumi as she is, checking very quickly through the pages to check « how she usually acts according to Lloyd » and then taking control of her and completely F up the questioning at the end cause he didn’t study enough !
All of Harumi's soundtracks are *KILL-ER AMAZING!!!* Which is somewhat fitting as she has attempted to kill Lloyd at least 4/5 times (twice from attempting to drown him, twice from attempting to slash/stab him in the chest and once from him nearly getting eaten alive by piranhas). *And* the avatar version of her did actually kill him in Prime Empire (though her avatar version of her did die as well in the process). Plus she was the cause for Hutchins and her adoptive parents deaths. Also let's not forget about how many citizens would've died when she and Emperor Garmadon took over and ruled Ninjago city.
Rip Lloyd 💀
@@Khalidmoh576 *"RIP Lloyd's heart" you mean ;D*
@@meteoritea yes of course
@@Khalidmoh576 _poor little cinnamon roll ●︿●_
@@meteoritea I wonder wat garmadon is doing now
One of the best moments in all of ninjago
CAN'T THEY JUST LET HIM BE HAPPY?! 😭😂
No, the writers need to make sure that he gets his does of trauma each season
@@meteoritea After Zane gets physically abused
@@spinjitzumasterfalcon Yes also that ●︿●
- Cole Fell From a High Place.
Ninjago Writer 1:
Should we make lloyd the main character?
Ninjago Writer 2: Yeah but make him traumatized more and more with double the amount of pain.
My god what an amazing track. I absolutely love this. I really like the intense harumi theme followed by the techno arcade music making it seem like a simulation. Probably my favorite ninjago soundtrack followed by Lloyd vs garmadon season 8
0:54
Agreed.
Description: “The track we have all been waiting for.”
Me: This sounds nothing like the Detective Zane theme, or Harumi’s death scene.
Exactly!
I have been waiting for it, but not as much as Harumi’s death scene soundtrack :/
@@ertooo4324 I'm guessing that, will never be released
I still waiting for Harumi's Despair Theme, I've been waiting long. But this one also great
its to sad
I don’t know if this is just me but If you listen with headphones, in the beginning you can feel some of the music moving left to right inside your headphones don’t know if it’s just me or what
Yeah they use that trick a lot with Ninjago
@@ScrollwormoftheFanWings Yeah like with the SOG theme
The newer seasons aren't great but this scene was done really well. The soundtrack was amazing.
Edit:watched all of 11 and 12 and 13 and I’ve changed my mind, the new episodes are pretty great.
The new seasons are awesome
Eh its only seasons 10 and 11 that arent great. 8, 9, 12 and 13 are amazing
@@nuggetcomics8539 "Season 11 isn't great" Did you SEE the Ice Chapter? Plus Mafch of the Oni wasn't bad.
@@HighLordoftheBathroom yeah the ice chapter wasnt bad, but filler made it average and march of the oni was a little disappointing
@@nuggetcomics8539 Well I'll admit that March of the Oni was disappointing when it came to the number of episodes, but the story was well-crafted.
I can’t wait for this because I loved that soundtrack
Sepuzin Thanks!
You could not wait 11 hours?
@@biscuitsandbricks3666 what did I do?
It's curious how in the end this soundtrack ends up being, not Lloyd or Harumi, but an dynamic and exciting version of Unagami's theme.
I'm just gonna like this preemptively since I already know I love this soundtrack!
Harumi,s theme are my favorite!!
Hello there
You're like Ninjago's Justin Y. If there's a RUclips video that relates to Ninjago, you've commented on it.
Jay’s boss would have probably been his birth dad. Nya’s boss probably would have been Jay.
THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE SILLY VIDEOGAME SEASON I WAS NOT PREPARED FOR THIS
All I wanted Lloyd to say when she appeared was- “HER AGAIN?????!!!!” 😂
the prime empire soundtrack in amazing
great job with the music
we and I think I speak for the community that we are grateful for your channel and your time
Thank you
He just reposts it
0:28 You took my parents! You took everything from me!
I kind of love how this soundtrack is, within the context of the first time it's played, a video game boss battle theme.
Because that means that after the Overlord explained that he created the Great Devourer, he quite literally starting hearing boss music.
First seconds of this soundrack remember me season 9 soundtrack
0:29
This moment was a little funny, Harumi just trying to stab Lloyd, and then Lloyd just scoots away xD
you can hear Harumi's despair soundtrack in there. So good.
0:29 You took my parents, you took everything from me
Literally breaks my heart watching this scene every fucking time
Finally!!!!! I have been waiting for this moment~ MUAHAHAHA
The wildbrain era has to have the best fight scenes in the show
It's like for just this one scene, the greatness of the Oni Trilogy returned
"You took my parents, you took EVERYTHING FROM ME!"
this soundtrack is to fire for me bro🥰🥰
All the people you saved and were we're you when I needed you were were you
My favourite part in this soundtrack is 0:29 to1:04
its the same track as in the new ep 13 of season 16
Prime Empire handled Harumi way better then crystallized did with just one episode
Oml cant the writers give him a brake
I miss her
Uhmmmm....Then you should be happy now
0:00 the first strike
0:28 serious fighting
1:03 The trick
1:18 the idea
1:33 the confirmation
1:43 the realization
1:46 the final battle
2:06 the last strike
I hate these names so heres a better version a entire year later
00:00 The Hit
0:28 A One-Sided Battle
1:03 The Deceiving Act
1:18 The Plan
1:33 The Unfortunate Confirmation
1:43 The Confrontation
1:46 The True Fight
2:06 The Last Swing
I like season 12 only for this
Insane!
So good
0:42 you took my parents, you took EVERYTHING away from me!
Can please upload the sad music that plays when Harumi appears?
Say what you want about prime empire as a season but this soundtrack and scene is one of the best in the show
How did Unagami even know about Lloyd’s thing with Harumi?
0:00 Mr f theme in season 16 Mr f vs lloyd ep 13
I get street fighter or mortal combat vibes
My mind: I wonder who Lloyd is going to fight?
*Sees Harumi*
Oh, man 😨😬.
Who ever player 2 is there pretty good
lloyd still loves her,but lloyd…its not her
No I like this scene because it's the first time Lloyd didn't completely lose in front of Harumi
Amasing remix the harumi song and prime empire
Solid
That bish an imposter but dam good soundtrack
Poggers to u bro
This music honestly feels like it’s from Tenet
is this on Spotify
😭😭😭😭😭😭
I don't believe harumi is dead but... why???
Batman vs zur-en-arrh
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When you want to go to school but you're asian:
As an Asian I see this as an aboslute win