That's insane power for those stubbies. No offense to other channels, but, at the end of the day, torquing down huge bolts and then busting them free is the only true way to assess nut busting power. Tim Johnson out here doin' it again.
It's odd you guys consider specifically THESE bolts and nuts to be the true representation of torque to match what you see at home when even between his own bolts here they don't agree. On this same set up we see the 2953 impact driver also busting 550 ft-lbs free using a 1/4" adapter, a tool Milwaukee rates at 167 ft-lbs.... A mixture of new and old hardware every time, all torqued within an inch of its life - stretching more each time, no way to calibrate. Unless you have a DeWALT DCF921 side by side doing the same hardware at the same time, this is all just fun bolt busting. Not really measuring much.
My gen one still kicking that ass. When it comes to using power tools, the weight /power ratio is everything. Especially if using it all day to help fatigue.
That's awesome! The Stubby (gen 1 or 2) with an XC battery gets the work done, and it's so much nicer to hold a 3-lb tool rather than 8-10 lbs. And when you need it, you can grab that High Torque. Thanks for watching.
Did you make a mistake with the 1/2" on larger fasteners at 600 ft/lbs? It looks like you were going in forward, not reverse for that test. Around the 14:30 mark.
Not a big Milwaukee fan but I do love the stubby impact wrench. Used it for lag bolts, brake work , lawnmower blades. Lug nuts you name it. Have the newer 1/2 mid torque very seldom do I need it.
the 3/8" impact usually makes more numbers (like seen in this test) because the motor has a lighter anvil to hit so it takes away less power and less force from the hammer
While it CAN do 550/600. Its definitely a workout of it. Its still really impressive how easy everything looked 450 and under. Definitely enough for a stubby. I cant wait to get one in September
I'm very happy with my gen1 stubby 3/8. I only use it for smaller stuff like covers and bash plates and trims and interior stuff etc. For more oomph I have my gen2 M18 mid torque for that. For those wondering which one to get, choose the one that suits YOUR needs.
@@james2042I carry a midtorque in my truck. I like that it runs off 18v batteries because I also have an m18 air inflator, m18 inverter and other 18v tools. Get whatever works for you. I like the size of the midtorque. It’s kinda big but not huge.
I put in a pre-order in with Ohio Power Tool after watching this video and some coverage from the 2024 Pipeline event showing the durability improvements made on the Gen-2. I like that they added a third planetary gear and strengthened the handle. And wow, it has some impressive performance. I'm excited for this one!
I’ve got the same set up. I use 1/2 inch in mid torque and big boy impact. I wonder if they are working on a new mid torque. If they do I’m getting it too 😂😂
I've been waiting for this review and it didn't disappoint! As advertised and many said there was no way and it went 50 over!? Mines on order i can't wait to use it on the rigs. Great channel.
Hey Shop Tool Reviews love your Reviews of impacts! Thee only beef I have with the review is that I'd like to see what consistent forward torque does this new M12 gen 2 put out without hammering on the nut or bolt! Thanks Tim have a great day
Thats crazy that tiny m12 wrench makes ~750nm of blasting torque. That is mid-level territory of those long nose m18s. The previous version of that compact line had just half of this power and it often wasn't enough for some more stubborn bolts.
They'll break most lugs sure but the problem is *when* they do it and how. Even older mid-torques will absolutely *zip* most lugs off without that much impacting. The Stubby/compacts need to impact a bit and rattle around making noise a few seconds and then the lug comes off. It's a difference in how much work the tool has to do and how much noise gets made---the torque levels being hit *on the curve* . If you look at TTC's tests you'll see the old Stubby (they haven't tested the new one yet) takes about *7s* to reach 200lb*ft, something most mid-torques reach in only 2s in the same testing/dyno. Also I don't see the point of using a stubby/compact on lugs when you typically have unlimited space. You're free to do what you want of course, but mid-torques do lugs faster, with less noise, and are the "right tool for the job".
@@rolandm9750 performance to weight stubby wins hands down. The less weight I need to carry the better. People can use what ever tool they want. There is a reason I only use m12 tools since performance to weight. I also have air tools if need be. So my set up works perfect for me.
I bought the 1/2 m18 high torque in an emergency and it just barely got 2 of my lug nuts broke free after about 45 seconds each before overheating and almost draining my 5ah battery on the 3rd. I wish it would have worked on my truck, be even cooler if the 12v could do it but I tried that one first (bought brand new just for the truck lugs) and it had no chance.
@@thereitroche1622yeah but are we talking regular truck or a semi truck. You use a 1" gun on a semi truck period. If you have some smaller consumer level truck, your lugs are so over torqued, it is insane and you need to buy a torque wrench
The old stubbies only hit 250ft with specific Sockets same with these need the correct size and weight sockets to hit them numbers But man these new stubbies are impressive
Na the old version hit 450ft lbs with 4.0 battery.. I bet with a 6.0 battery it would be incredible close between the two generations: ruclips.net/video/G2uBwusLKrw/видео.htmlsi=t3ncihIkBwv4uaJy
@@VintageEngineRepairs that testing video is with 33 mm Sockets Not with The average size socket used all over vehicles like a 17 or 24mm the torque is higher on a heavier socket
What is the weight of the two different sockets? The heavier the socket the harder the hit. Excellent video brother, thank you. All the graphs and numbers are fine but at the end of the day, busting actually nuts loose is what we want to see.
Im not convinced the 3/8 drive is stronger than the 1/2. Socket weight plays a roll and youre using a 1/2 drive socket with an adapter welded on to it. Thats a decent amount of extra weight. I wanna see the same size sockets but in their own drives against each other
The 3/8" makes more torque in tests done by others as well. But you are correct about mass/inertia. But it's apparently the mass/inertia of the lighter anvil that allows it to make better numbers.
The 3/8 might be able to put out a little bit more power due to the fact it's more narrow and smaller so in theory at the same RPM it could do more revolutions per minute than 1/2-in and also being smaller it can focus its energy better with less friction than the 1/2-in thus allowing it to squeak out a little more
Word on the street is Milwaukee has a patent pending for an m12 XC battery with a 3 pouch stack on the bottom and 3 18650’s in the handle. Wonder if it’s going to be released under the forge branding
Need that. I have a bunch of off brand Milwaukee batteries for lights and chargers and vacuums, but when I need the power or the force I use High outputs or forge when available. You can feel the difference
New Stubby means Clearance old stubby! Home Depot is blowing the old ones out for dirt cheap in kit form. Grabbed 2 sets yesterday and it ends up being like $60 per stubby impact when you account for the value of the battery and extra tool they give you for $179 total. Too good to pass up.
You are correct. I got two of the kits from HD online on July 25 2024 for $179.00 and got a free 99.00 tool that I returned so the kit ended up costing me about $116
Apparently, this is completely false. Per an article on the science of torque + bolts on a website CALLED _BOLT SCIENCE_ ... If a nut is untightened immediately after being tightened, the torque needed to untighten it will be less than that needed to tighten it. This is due to the portion of the torque which actually stretches the bolt always acting in the untightening direction. Hence when a nut is immediately untightened, usually about 20% less torque is needed than was needed to tighten it in the first place. As the time passes from when the nut was tightened, the torque needed to untighten it tends to increase. After half a day or so, the release torque can be typically up 10% greater than the tightening torque. This is due to a number of effects including embedding of the contact surfaces and changes in temperature affecting the friction conditions. Such effects typically increase the friction and hence a greater release torque is required. Because of such friction changes, the use of torque auditing methods (measuring the backoff - or crack-off torque or the tightening or crack-on torque) to assess if the bolt being tightened correctly is only accurate if it is completed shortly after the assembly was tightened. PS: the 1/2 did pull a 600 off ... annnd the 3/8 failed at 600 once. Less definitive, but still poignant enough for me to change my order. Thanks for the great evaluation, whether the numbers are accurate or dubious ... it was relative ... and that is useful data.
I've been A Dewalt, guy for a very long time, but after looking at your video, I've been thinking of making of getting this inpack, just wouldn't want to have, different battery and chargers,
I have the first gen and I’ve always felt like it was not quite enough for what I usually needed. I had to grab my 18v 1/2” mid torque half the time when I used it. So I ordered a new gen 2 and im selling my lightly used 1st gen for $100 to a new co worker.
Very cool, but I have had too many issues with the m12 tools I’ve bought so far, I’m done with Milwaukee. Glad to see them pushing the competition though
That’s amazing for a 12v I think I might be getting one eventually even tho I got the dewalt dcf921 like a month ago. Not getting it anytime soon but maybe a Christmas’s present. For 150ft lbs difference I’m not in any hurry.
Sounds like the 3/8 is hammering faster, that could be why but who knows. impressive either way, I would add this to my collection. My Dewalt 923 for smaller stuff and the half inch version of this for Lugnuts.
I'm split on it. As mentioned by superspeeder, it definitely is a cost cutting measure and just adds a failure point. But being able to change modes one handed is so useful
Love to see the first few who dip them black! It's interesting to see the difference in the 3/8 & 1/2 performance, I wonder if it's to do with the mass or velocity when moving that mass in rotation to break free..
Seems that a mistake by milwaukee to only give the end user the option of changing modes with the trigger. It's great that they added that as a feature, but a physical button for switching should still be available. 90% of the time, I would use the button, in very rare circumstances, would the trigger switch be necessary. It's also more steps to change modes, rather then just 1 or 2 button presses.
The 1st gen stubby with a 6.0 on your channel broke 450 but failed 500 ftlbs and this new one broke 600 and failed 650. Good numbers but not “double the performance” like Milwaukee said. I wonder if the socket adapter handicapped this test?
Actually, the socket adapter gives it a bit more power. I have the 3/8 stubby, and when I move up to the 1/2 adapter, it's quite noticeable. That being said, I was still going to pick up a Dewalt DCF921 in 1/2 to try, but not anymore. Even though I can convert my 3/8 to 1/2, I'd like to have a dedicated tool. Plus, when using extensions, 1/2 hits harder than 3/8. Yes, I know I can still add an adapter, but sometimes when I'm working in a tight area, I want the smallest possible footprint. I may just pick up both. Having a 12V stubby hitting as hard as a mid-torque using that large socket is quite impressive. Check out this channel Ridgid midtorque review mentioning the bolts. I'm sure the Stubby can hit 650 or more with the smaller fastener if he can find one that can handle being torqued down beyond 600ft-lbs. Awesome little 12V 👍🏻
Double the performance on *rated numbers*. Problem is the old one was well underrated and the new one accurately rated. I don't think anyone was expected this would be breaking 900lb*ft, unless they were seriously misguided.
Problem is the torque required to remove a fastener is up to 40 percent less than the initial torque. And literally everything matters, even thread pitch can change the results.
@@rolandm9750 I was only really waiting for them to come out with a Tri Light version. For them to up the power numbers is a bonus🤙🏼people that don't use there's on the daily working on vehicles don't realize that the old stubby could pretty much easily remove 95-97% of most passenger vehicle fasteners using standard size sockets. Yup occasionally you run into some you need to move up to Midtorque/Hightorque level for removal, but now that may not be the case so much.
Now what we need is the old 3/8 with the new 3/8 both with 5ah HO battery comparison. Lets do it STR.... Checking your videos the old one had hit 500 ft-lbs and the new one now hits 600 ft-lbs.
Man, I work on cars every weekend for hours and my mid torque gets heavy over time. I have the old stubby but now I want the new. 2 lbs a lot of weight over a 8hr day.
Bro the 1/2” was in FORWARD on the final 600lbs test. No wonder it couldn’t break the bolt free. I’m disappointed, I thought you were better than that.
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Re-watch the video he does put the 5.0 on the 1/2. It's also implied in the off-camera testing they thoroughly tested them multiple times and still had the 3/8 squeaking out the 1/2. TTC did a video on why this phenomenon is common on TTI-made impacts--the 3/8" often just slightly outperforming the 1/2.
The 3/8 might be able to put out a little bit more power than the 1/2-in because it is smaller and more narrow so in theory at the same RPM it could do more revolutions per minute and also being smaller it can focus its energy more efficiently with less friction than the 1/2-in allowing it to squeak out a little bit more power a scenario like this is only possible with something like this impact where everything is essentially identical
Great deal on the old model 1/2" M12 at Home Depot. As of 07-26-2024 you could get the kit with the Impact Wrench, charger, 4Ah and 2Ah batteries and soft case for $116.00 with a HACK! You had to order the kit online and then choose a free select tool. I chose the Hackzall with a value of $99.00 The trick or hack is you then return the "free" tool and get $63.00 back. So the impact wrench nets out at about $116.00 you got to love that
To make sure you have all power of impact goes to nut you should "assist" to socket and maintain pressure on it so socket will be in contact with nut in the moment of impact. Otherwise most of power goes to just rotate socket in the air. As gap between socket and wrench bigger with 1/2 in comarison to 3/8 you have a different results
If I'm not mistaken I think it was the M18 Fuel Compact Impact Wrenches the 3/8 inch outperformed the 1/2 drive in loosening and fastening torque. You are by far my favorite channel and most trusted.
Just go look at the old videos of the 2554/2555 (there's 2-3 videos I think). STR typically got them to break around 450, so this is doing over 100lb*ft more.
@@rolandm9750 that was with 4.0 batteries, this video is running 6.0 battery’s. I bet they’d be incredibly close if he used 6.0 battery on the older generation.
At the 14:40 mark how you not realize the tool was tightened instead of loosing it? I mean even a rookie will look at the tool if its not moving the bolt and maybe see if its orientation is correct. And even during the editing part you still didnt catch that part…unexceptable!
I would like to see if you only run the impact wrench for 5 seconds then another 5 seconds, if that would make a difference in its breakaway numbers. I find that sometimes works for me, but I don't have "Lab conditions" to test my theory if it is a fluke or common occurrence.
I’ll wait a few months to see how reliable they are. I know with the gen 4 impact driver the teeth in the gears strip because they have been hardened too much, from factory.
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Wow just when I was thinking of getting the 1/2”. I know it probably doesn’t matter but I wonder what has more power, the 1/2” or the 3/8” with 1/2” adapter.🤔
If you’re gonna have just one impact and it’s gonna be one of these stubbies what’s the consensus ? 3/8 or 1/2. If you have equal socket sets. I’m thinking 1/2 cause you can use a reducer for 3/8
Could the difference in power from the 3/8 to the 1/2 be due to the weight difference of the sockets considering one was modified and likely now heavier?
Honestly the original stubby was more than capable. This to me is more a feature upgrade of better lights and auto mode. The torque rating is irrelevant at this point because this is functionally a mid torque 18v, and it was established mid torques were already a niche category because automotive is usually under 300 and heavy equipment is well into the 1000+
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I’m ordering the 1/2 next week for my birthday present to my myself.
Happy birthday yoo. May your stubby see some kickass nut bursting.
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That's insane power for those stubbies. No offense to other channels, but, at the end of the day, torquing down huge bolts and then busting them free is the only true way to assess nut busting power.
Tim Johnson out here doin' it again.
Charts are cool but agreed. Can it do the job yes/no
It's odd you guys consider specifically THESE bolts and nuts to be the true representation of torque to match what you see at home when even between his own bolts here they don't agree. On this same set up we see the 2953 impact driver also busting 550 ft-lbs free using a 1/4" adapter, a tool Milwaukee rates at 167 ft-lbs....
A mixture of new and old hardware every time, all torqued within an inch of its life - stretching more each time, no way to calibrate. Unless you have a DeWALT DCF921 side by side doing the same hardware at the same time, this is all just fun bolt busting. Not really measuring much.
Sorry, but it's not
Nope not even this is real. go let a truck drive for a couple years then go take off some nuts that got some rust on em that’s realistic 😂😂
torque test channel is best
Cant wait to get these bad boys. That’s serious power for 12V
That is incredibly impressive that they more than doubled the torque. Pretty incredible. I’m sold lol. Will be picking up the 3/8”.
What a beast for the weight!
ive had my gen 1 3/8th stubby for years now, definitely a much needed upgrade
I still have and love the first gen. It’s awesome!!!
This is what a real upgrade looks like! Looking forward to mine!
My gen one still kicking that ass. When it comes to using power tools, the weight /power ratio is everything. Especially if using it all day to help fatigue.
That's awesome! The Stubby (gen 1 or 2) with an XC battery gets the work done, and it's so much nicer to hold a 3-lb tool rather than 8-10 lbs. And when you need it, you can grab that High Torque. Thanks for watching.
I just love Milwaukee. I only have M18 tools. I will buy M12, I like that small size...and I will have both M12 and M18 :))
Did you make a mistake with the 1/2" on larger fasteners at 600 ft/lbs? It looks like you were going in forward, not reverse for that test. Around the 14:30 mark.
You can 100% see the tool is in forwards
@@lucaskosty6305 I guess I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed. Would like the test redone.
Yeah it’s def in forward
@@coryarnold8077 Test is busted!! 🤣
It's absolutely in forward. 😂
Not a big Milwaukee fan but I do love the stubby impact wrench. Used it for lag bolts, brake work , lawnmower blades. Lug nuts you name it. Have the newer 1/2 mid torque very seldom do I need it.
the 3/8" impact usually makes more numbers (like seen in this test) because the motor has a lighter anvil to hit so it takes away less power and less force from the hammer
Ttc did show that, and it makes sense
I find it strange cause I have a weighted socket which hits way harder than a normal impact socket, so you would think heavier anvil breaks harder
No and no, the reason the 3/8 was stronger was because of the batteries he used, so this test is a fail
Thank you. One of the best " regular guy " testing and demonstration of these. Great video 👍
While it CAN do 550/600. Its definitely a workout of it. Its still really impressive how easy everything looked 450 and under. Definitely enough for a stubby. I cant wait to get one in September
More like mid October
I'm very happy with my gen1 stubby 3/8. I only use it for smaller stuff like covers and bash plates and trims and interior stuff etc. For more oomph I have my gen2 M18 mid torque for that.
For those wondering which one to get, choose the one that suits YOUR needs.
A gen 2 stubby will do basically everything A midtorque can do within reason. It's an effective 12v replacement for the compact and mid torque
@@james2042I carry a midtorque in my truck. I like that it runs off 18v batteries because I also have an m18 air inflator, m18 inverter and other 18v tools. Get whatever works for you. I like the size of the midtorque. It’s kinda big but not huge.
I have the m18 3/8th love it but sometimes it’s too big, but I don’t know if this new m12 could replace the power on the m18?
As a wise RUclips technician would say ......... "mother of pearl"
Took the words out of our mouths. lol. Thanks for watching.
Love the new Feature on hoe to change speeds that is sweet
I put in a pre-order in with Ohio Power Tool after watching this video and some coverage from the 2024 Pipeline event showing the durability improvements made on the Gen-2. I like that they added a third planetary gear and strengthened the handle. And wow, it has some impressive performance. I'm excited for this one!
Wow 600 ft that is crazy from a M12 Stubby
These have more power than Milwaukees Gen 3 M18 3/8th stubby impact wrenches. Impressive!
I prefer the 3/8 for the stubby models. For higher torque i'd get the mid torque 1/2 drive. Thanks for posting a great video.
I’ve got the same set up. I use 1/2 inch in mid torque and big boy impact. I wonder if they are working on a new mid torque. If they do I’m getting it too 😂😂
1/2" Mid torque and 3/8" Stubby is the best one-two punch in their lineup IMO.
@@italianstallion399 yes sir 🔥🔥
I've been waiting for this review and it didn't disappoint! As advertised and many said there was no way and it went 50 over!? Mines on order i can't wait to use it on the rigs. Great channel.
Seems to be common that mileauke 3/8 drive tools put out more power then 1/2 great video as always @Shop Tool Reviews
Hey Shop Tool Reviews love your Reviews of impacts! Thee only beef I have with the review is that I'd like to see what consistent forward torque does this new M12 gen 2 put out without hammering on the nut or bolt! Thanks Tim have a great day
Just got the 1/2 today. Truck gave me a good deal on it, surprised the hell out of me.
BRUHHH 🤯 Milwaukee done it again. The stubby. A tool for EVERY man’s garage. 📈 I have the Gen1 3/8-1/2 and they amazing as it is.
Take my money!
I'd get the 3/8 just to use the Gear Wrench bolt extractor socket kit. I'd get the 1/2 just to tighten and break bolts.
Thats crazy that tiny m12 wrench makes ~750nm of blasting torque. That is mid-level territory of those long nose m18s. The previous version of that compact line had just half of this power and it often wasn't enough for some more stubborn bolts.
Ill disagree my M12 stubby can break 95% of all the lugnuts of the vehicles I work on. I love it since it provides the power I need in a small size.
They'll break most lugs sure but the problem is *when* they do it and how. Even older mid-torques will absolutely *zip* most lugs off without that much impacting. The Stubby/compacts need to impact a bit and rattle around making noise a few seconds and then the lug comes off. It's a difference in how much work the tool has to do and how much noise gets made---the torque levels being hit *on the curve* . If you look at TTC's tests you'll see the old Stubby (they haven't tested the new one yet) takes about *7s* to reach 200lb*ft, something most mid-torques reach in only 2s in the same testing/dyno.
Also I don't see the point of using a stubby/compact on lugs when you typically have unlimited space. You're free to do what you want of course, but mid-torques do lugs faster, with less noise, and are the "right tool for the job".
@@rolandm9750 performance to weight stubby wins hands down. The less weight I need to carry the better. People can use what ever tool they want. There is a reason I only use m12 tools since performance to weight. I also have air tools if need be. So my set up works perfect for me.
I bought the 1/2 m18 high torque in an emergency and it just barely got 2 of my lug nuts broke free after about 45 seconds each before overheating and almost draining my 5ah battery on the 3rd. I wish it would have worked on my truck, be even cooler if the 12v could do it but I tried that one first (bought brand new just for the truck lugs) and it had no chance.
@@thereitroche1622yeah but are we talking regular truck or a semi truck. You use a 1" gun on a semi truck period. If you have some smaller consumer level truck, your lugs are so over torqued, it is insane and you need to buy a torque wrench
Old geezerz love giving unwarranted warnings backed by “trust me”. Why would a 550 ft lbs device not work with lug nuts ???????
The old stubbies only hit 250ft with specific Sockets same with these need the correct size and weight sockets to hit them numbers But man these new stubbies are impressive
Na the old version hit 450ft lbs with 4.0 battery.. I bet with a 6.0 battery it would be incredible close between the two generations: ruclips.net/video/G2uBwusLKrw/видео.htmlsi=t3ncihIkBwv4uaJy
@@VintageEngineRepairs I been using the gen 1 stubbies since they came out in real world use never had them go above 250 which is there rating
@@VintageEngineRepairs that testing video is with 33 mm Sockets Not with The average size socket used all over vehicles like a 17 or 24mm the torque is higher on a heavier socket
Going with the 1/2 since i already have the older 3/8 will be a good combination to have
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Milwaukee fired back and did it extremely well. With both battery platforms
What is the weight of the two different sockets? The heavier the socket the harder the hit.
Excellent video brother, thank you. All the graphs and numbers are fine but at the end of the day, busting actually nuts loose is what we want to see.
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Im not convinced the 3/8 drive is stronger than the 1/2. Socket weight plays a roll and youre using a 1/2 drive socket with an adapter welded on to it. Thats a decent amount of extra weight. I wanna see the same size sockets but in their own drives against each other
The 3/8" makes more torque in tests done by others as well. But you are correct about mass/inertia. But it's apparently the mass/inertia of the lighter anvil that allows it to make better numbers.
The torque test channel did a whole video on this it's worth a watch
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The 3/8 might be able to put out a little bit more power due to the fact it's more narrow and smaller so in theory at the same RPM it could do more revolutions per minute than 1/2-in and also being smaller it can focus its energy better with less friction than the 1/2-in thus allowing it to squeak out a little more
Word on the street is Milwaukee has a patent pending for an m12 XC battery with a 3 pouch stack on the bottom and 3 18650’s in the handle. Wonder if it’s going to be released under the forge branding
Need that. I have a bunch of off brand Milwaukee batteries for lights and chargers and vacuums, but when I need the power or the force I use High outputs or forge when available.
You can feel the difference
Nice video ! I was going to order the 1/2 and use an adaptor to 3/8 I use more 3/8 on all my stuff so makes more sense like you say
WOW! 💯💪Both are considerably a beast. Like a honey badger 🦡
New Stubby means Clearance old stubby! Home Depot is blowing the old ones out for dirt cheap in kit form. Grabbed 2 sets yesterday and it ends up being like $60 per stubby impact when you account for the value of the battery and extra tool they give you for $179 total. Too good to pass up.
You are correct. I got two of the kits from HD online on July 25 2024 for $179.00 and got a free 99.00 tool that I returned so the kit ended up costing me about $116
@@bkee62 Insane deal. Wish I bought more of them.
Apparently, this is completely false. Per an article on the science of torque + bolts on a website CALLED _BOLT SCIENCE_ ...
If a nut is untightened immediately after being tightened, the torque needed to untighten it will be less than that needed to tighten it. This is due to the portion of the torque which actually stretches the bolt always acting in the untightening direction. Hence when a nut is immediately untightened, usually about 20% less torque is needed than was needed to tighten it in the first place.
As the time passes from when the nut was tightened, the torque needed to untighten it tends to increase. After half a day or so, the release torque can be typically up 10% greater than the tightening torque. This is due to a number of effects including embedding of the contact surfaces and changes in temperature affecting the friction conditions. Such effects typically increase the friction and hence a greater release torque is required. Because of such friction
changes, the use of torque auditing methods (measuring the backoff - or crack-off torque or the tightening or crack-on torque) to assess if the bolt being tightened correctly is only accurate if it is completed shortly after the assembly was tightened.
PS: the 1/2 did pull a 600 off ...
annnd the 3/8 failed at 600 once.
Less definitive, but still poignant enough for me to change my order. Thanks for the great evaluation, whether the numbers are accurate or dubious ... it was relative ... and that is useful data.
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I've been A Dewalt, guy for a very long time, but after looking at your video, I've been thinking of making of getting this inpack, just wouldn't want to have, different battery and chargers,
Wondering if the reason for the 3/8 to have more breaking power is because the socket has a little more mass to it?
I have the first gen and I’ve always felt like it was not quite enough for what I usually needed. I had to grab my 18v 1/2” mid torque half the time when I used it. So I ordered a new gen 2 and im selling my lightly used 1st gen for $100 to a new co worker.
Just sold my older stubby. I actually had a brand new and a slightly used one. Used it mostly for tapcons.
Very cool, but I have had too many issues with the m12 tools I’ve bought so far, I’m done with Milwaukee. Glad to see them pushing the competition though
I'm going to buy a 1/2 model for brake jobs. Might get the 3/8 if i like the 1/2 enough.
Wouldn't recommend the 3/8 not because bad tool just anvil size is so small they flare out the head on all of my gear wrench sockets.
Thanks for this video ❤
I have too many impacts. Stop this madness.... ok cool ordering the new one 😅🤣😎
With this new stubby do you really need the mid torque?
That’s amazing for a 12v I think I might be getting one eventually even tho I got the dewalt dcf921 like a month ago. Not getting it anytime soon but maybe a Christmas’s present. For 150ft lbs difference I’m not in any hurry.
Sounds like the 3/8 is hammering faster, that could be why but who knows. impressive either way, I would add this to my collection. My Dewalt 923 for smaller stuff and the half inch version of this for Lugnuts.
Am I the only one who doesn't like the new gimmick to change the fastening mode? I love the button on my old stubby.
I would have preferred to keep a button, this neutral-double click thing seems like it'd be a pain in the butt.
I think it sucks too I think the only reason they changed it was for one handed mode. I get it that may have a use but almost never
Obviously a cost savings measure.
I'm split on it. As mentioned by superspeeder, it definitely is a cost cutting measure and just adds a failure point. But being able to change modes one handed is so useful
I don’t like it
Love to see the first few who dip them black! It's interesting to see the difference in the 3/8 & 1/2 performance, I wonder if it's to do with the mass or velocity when moving that mass in rotation to break free..
It's a very small difference, but it does show in the testing. Thanks for watching.
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At 14:30, you had the 1/2" in forward. 😂 oops.
Seems that a mistake by milwaukee to only give the end user the option of changing modes with the trigger. It's great that they added that as a feature, but a physical button for switching should still be available. 90% of the time, I would use the button, in very rare circumstances, would the trigger switch be necessary. It's also more steps to change modes, rather then just 1 or 2 button presses.
I would prefer a physical button too but being able to switch modes with 1 hand is a nice thing to have while laying under a car.
I orderd the 3/8 and can't wait to try it
The 1st gen stubby with a 6.0 on your channel broke 450 but failed 500 ftlbs and this new one broke 600 and failed 650. Good numbers but not “double the performance” like Milwaukee said. I wonder if the socket adapter handicapped this test?
Actually, the socket adapter gives it a bit more power. I have the 3/8 stubby, and when I move up to the 1/2 adapter, it's quite noticeable. That being said, I was still going to pick up a Dewalt DCF921 in 1/2 to try, but not anymore. Even though I can convert my 3/8 to 1/2, I'd like to have a dedicated tool. Plus, when using extensions, 1/2 hits harder than 3/8. Yes, I know I can still add an adapter, but sometimes when I'm working in a tight area, I want the smallest possible footprint. I may just pick up both. Having a 12V stubby hitting as hard as a mid-torque using that large socket is quite impressive. Check out this channel Ridgid midtorque review mentioning the bolts. I'm sure the Stubby can hit 650 or more with the smaller fastener if he can find one that can handle being torqued down beyond 600ft-lbs. Awesome little 12V 👍🏻
Double the performance on *rated numbers*. Problem is the old one was well underrated and the new one accurately rated. I don't think anyone was expected this would be breaking 900lb*ft, unless they were seriously misguided.
Problem is the torque required to remove a fastener is up to 40 percent less than the initial torque. And literally everything matters, even thread pitch can change the results.
To be fair. The first gen is only rated for 250. At least they are consistently under rated instead of over.
@@rolandm9750 I was only really waiting for them to come out with a Tri Light version. For them to up the power numbers is a bonus🤙🏼people that don't use there's on the daily working on vehicles don't realize that the old stubby could pretty much easily remove 95-97% of most passenger vehicle fasteners using standard size sockets. Yup occasionally you run into some you need to move up to Midtorque/Hightorque level for removal, but now that may not be the case so much.
Now what we need is the old 3/8 with the new 3/8 both with 5ah HO battery comparison. Lets do it STR....
Checking your videos the old one had hit 500 ft-lbs and the new one now hits 600 ft-lbs.
They should make a second gen right angle impact with more torque
A new surge would be awesome
The ol' Surge has been around a while. People that love them, love them a lot. They are definitely quieter and easier to hold. Thanks for watching.
Kinda funny when you tested the Hercules 1/4 impact you went to 550 on the bigger bolts why didn’t you do that on this test?
Man, I work on cars every weekend for hours and my mid torque gets heavy over time. I have the old stubby but now I want the new. 2 lbs a lot of weight over a 8hr day.
You're exactly right. Love the Stubby (both old and new) for this reason. Thanks for watching.
I think the 3/8 owners like myself were praying more umf for our 3/8's than the 1/2 hence the outcome lol! Can't go wrong with either imho.
Youre supposed to use 5.0 high output batteries
Bro the 1/2” was in FORWARD on the final 600lbs test. No wonder it couldn’t break the bolt free. I’m disappointed, I thought you were better than that.
Yep. 👍
Shop tool review awesome video the Milwaukee always coming out with better tools. hey there's a question I want to ask you do you know also where I can get a drill operator rivet gun I believe I seen that on your show one time thank you for the review...
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My DeWalt stubbys still do pretty good, I'll wait till they make a new one
Would like to see the 1/2 with the 5.0 battery. The 6.0 is nice but is a step behind.
Re-watch the video he does put the 5.0 on the 1/2. It's also implied in the off-camera testing they thoroughly tested them multiple times and still had the 3/8 squeaking out the 1/2. TTC did a video on why this phenomenon is common on TTI-made impacts--the 3/8" often just slightly outperforming the 1/2.
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At 14:30, the 1/2" was in forward. 😂
The 3/8 might be able to put out a little bit more power than the 1/2-in because it is smaller and more narrow so in theory at the same RPM it could do more revolutions per minute and also being smaller it can focus its energy more efficiently with less friction than the 1/2-in allowing it to squeak out a little bit more power a scenario like this is only possible with something like this impact where everything is essentially identical
Ok take my money Milwaukee!!!!
Great deal on the old model 1/2" M12 at Home Depot. As of 07-26-2024 you could get the kit with the Impact Wrench, charger, 4Ah and 2Ah batteries and soft case for $116.00 with a HACK! You had to order the kit online and then choose a free select tool. I chose the Hackzall with a value of $99.00 The trick or hack is you then return the "free" tool and get $63.00 back. So the impact wrench nets out at about $116.00 you got to love that
To make sure you have all power of impact goes to nut you should "assist" to socket and maintain pressure on it so socket will be in contact with nut in the moment of impact. Otherwise most of power goes to just rotate socket in the air. As gap between socket and wrench bigger with 1/2 in comarison to 3/8 you have a different results
If I'm not mistaken I think it was the M18 Fuel Compact Impact Wrenches the 3/8 inch outperformed the 1/2 drive in loosening and fastening torque. You are by far my favorite channel and most trusted.
We appreciate the kind words, we really do. It was actually the M18 FUEL Gen 2 Mid-Torque that the 3/8" outperformed the 1/2". Thanks for watching.
I’m keeping my 2ng Gen when milwaukee brings out the full ring light I’ll pick up the Gen 3 haha
Im going to wait for the 1100 version, ill give my son the week ass 250 version for his Lincoln logs
Worth mentioning that you ve used 2 different batteries with different outputs, the high output one generates more power...
We need to compare new versus old stubbies
Just go look at the old videos of the 2554/2555 (there's 2-3 videos I think). STR typically got them to break around 450, so this is doing over 100lb*ft more.
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@@rolandm9750 that was with 4.0 batteries, this video is running 6.0 battery’s. I bet they’d be incredibly close if he used 6.0 battery on the older generation.
11:27 The 1/2” DID break 600. You said later it didn’t? Or am I missing something?
.....& at 14:30, the 1/2" was in forward!! 😂
At the 14:40 mark how you not realize the tool was tightened instead of loosing it? I mean even a rookie will look at the tool if its not moving the bolt and maybe see if its orientation is correct.
And even during the editing part you still didnt catch that part…unexceptable!
Thank you, great review!
I would like to see if you only run the impact wrench for 5 seconds then another 5 seconds, if that would make a difference in its breakaway numbers.
I find that sometimes works for me, but I don't have "Lab conditions" to test my theory if it is a fluke or common occurrence.
I’ll wait a few months to see how reliable they are. I know with the gen 4 impact driver the teeth in the gears strip because they have been hardened too much, from factory.
I love my existing stubby but this is so ridiculously powerful I’ll be looking for deals on the 2562-20 😂
Would have liked more of a comparison with the old one rather then comparing the 3/8 to 1/2"
Absolutely agree
My biggest complaint about Milwaukee tools is availability. I just got my hands on the 3/8” version but it’s thanksgiving. Happy thanksgiving!
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Wow just when I was thinking of getting the 1/2”. I know it probably doesn’t matter but I wonder what has more power, the 1/2” or the 3/8” with 1/2” adapter.🤔
Adapters eat avLOT of torque.
...& he had the 1/2" in forward at 14:30.😂
A great test is to check rotation speed of 3/8 VS 1/2, I assume that a larger objects take longer to make a full rotation? Great review as always.
If you’re gonna have just one impact and it’s gonna be one of these stubbies what’s the consensus ? 3/8 or 1/2. If you have equal socket sets. I’m thinking 1/2 cause you can use a reducer for 3/8
The 1/2" was in forward at 14:30.😂
Damn I should have kept my mid torque 😂
Great tools! I like my m12 stubby! Kind of curious... did Milwaukee give these to you for free? How did you get them so early?
Could the difference in power from the 3/8 to the 1/2 be due to the weight difference of the sockets considering one was modified and likely now heavier?
The RUclips channel that I always come to, to get unbiased reviews. I can’t wait till I get mine from Ohio power tools
Honestly the original stubby was more than capable. This to me is more a feature upgrade of better lights and auto mode. The torque rating is irrelevant at this point because this is functionally a mid torque 18v, and it was established mid torques were already a niche category because automotive is usually under 300 and heavy equipment is well into the 1000+
I would like to see the porter cable 1/2 inch high torque and mid torque torque tested
Do adapters take away from the tourqe?