Here in Sweden E10 is now the new standard petrol since beginning of august. Almost none of our cold petrol stations have higher octane on offer which means that a lot of the countryside now has no better petrol on offer other than E10. Yesterday when I was out riding my Kawasaki I had to take a 25km detour to fill my bike up as I´m not putting E10 in my tank before I know for a fact that is does not damage anything. This of course means that sooner or later people will be caught out in a situation where they must use the E10, so we propably will very soon start to hear grumblings about this. There are lots of classic cars, bikes and boats in Sweden and it will be interesting to see how this turns out in a longer run. They also represent quite a staggering amount of wealth and influence, the classic scene is no poor mans game. Some ruined classic Ferrari engines later there will propably be heated discussions about this topic. And all because of some stupid politicians who want to show the people that they are in control of the climate situation. Good grief...
I can assure you, that it damage everything in the engine and the fuel lines. All this is Tyrants that only want to find other Method of ruling over others and depressing people.
@@Gismo3333 looking at the horizon, degraded E fuel is the least of our worries.. like Bette Davis once euphemistically warned. Fasten your seat belts people! It's going to be a bumpy ride or more likely, a very long walk.
So, if the idea (here in the UK) is having us use E10 for "green" reasons, then isn't the fact that we have to use more fuel to go the same distance self-defeating...🤔
@@davidbesant ten percent less FOSSIL carbon. Then burn ten percent more of the 90 percent FOSSIL carbon ....... Mmm 9.0 plus 0.9 fossil....is 99percent of the fossil fuel used in e00. So yay . I think its more a move to increase churn in vehicles and retire some of the old ( pre 2000) stock
@@gregsmith5695 Yeh! its all political retoric for the propaganda factor and the votes they need to stay in power. What a crock... My 98 Fazer is deff not compatible with e10, put e5 in and have a fuel bomb in the tank to stabalise the fuel or something.. they a just a few quid on ebay and are supposed to mitigate the degradation of fuel when left a while.. The fact the ethanol seperates and degrades over time is the reason Ive put it in, but also hoping that I can still have some fuel pipes etc at the end of the day.. cheers very interesting about india..
Here in the US we have at least a half dozen fuel stabilizers available at your local auto parts and accessories store that work to prevent rust, degradation of plastic and rubber in fuel systems while also extending the life of the fuel. Also we have some stations that still sell non-ethanol fuel, at a premium of course. Owners of boats, motorcycles , classic cars and lawn equipment are the chief customers. There are videos on You Tube showing how to remove ethanol from fuel but frankly it’s not worth the time and effort and anytime you start playing with volatile chemicals in my opinion you’re just asking for trouble. The real problem we face is that we have a group of elites with too much time on their hands.
And those products also slice dice and can grow hair on a bowling ball but if you order right now during this commercial you can double your order (just pay shipping and handling) It is mostly plecebo effect. I wish they actually worked as advertised.
But whats the point of destroying the fuel first, and making a bad fix after, that cost a lot of money? We are at lest not going empty for oil in the first 200-300 years. So why begin with this shit now? It is because they want power over other people. Nothing else. They are tyrants… worse then the Nazis under ww2.
Project Farm did a great video comparing various fuel stabilizers including letting parts sit in treated vs untreated ethanol fuels for as as much as a year IIRC. The results of his testing showed that the fuel stabilizers did very little to prevent the deleterious effects of adding ethanol to your gasoline.
Here in Australia E10 fuel has been offered for several years. Every time I've tried it I have found the price saving (about 5%) is offset by the 10% increase in fuel consumption and disappointing reduction in performance. Its rare now to find a service station that still offer it. I pity any place that it's compulsory!
@@sexysilversurfer Maybe on paper but my experience with E10 is higher fuel consumption so that completely offsets any oil usage reduction right there so now we're back to square one... Maybe a different scenario in cars specifically designed to only run on E10? Dunno...
Same in my case, I have a 2011 Tiger 1050 and it does support E10, I filled it with E10 just the once and it ran so very rough and was so down on power I topped it off with Premium 95 at the first opportunity, never revisited it. E10 isnt an environmental panacea, combusting ethanol isnt any better for the environment - it is good for the corn industry though.. thats about it.
Great vid as always, Uncle Stu. I can chime in from the ‘States about E10 fuel. I’ve used it in my 2000 Jeep Wrangler since day one as it’s difficult in my area to find pure petrol. It still has the old iron inline six cylinder but is fuel injected with a basic ECU controlled ignition. The only issue I have is that on extremely hot days I get a bit of spark knock or “pinging” if I am towing or lug the rpms down too much climbing an incline. The same thing happens with my 2018 Triumph Street Cup. It doesn’t seem to matter what octane I choose, as we have on offer 87, 89, or 93 which are all e10 fuels. The only issue I’ve had with ethanol fuel is with small engines that I don’t use that often such as a chain saw. If any fuel is left in them for a season it will inevitably not start or run properly if at all until the fuel system is cleaned out. Many times the carburetor will have to be completely cleaned out, a new spark plug installed, and components such as primer pumps fuel lines and filters replaced before it will run. There are fuel stabilizers available but the easiest thing to do is to keep a small can of pure petrol in the shed for the lawn equipment. As far as the bike or autos, you will never be near a pure petrol station when you need it, so it’s not worth the bother. For long term storage I believe one should run the ethanol fuel as low as possible then fill up with pure petrol, run it a bit to make sure it is throughout the system, and hope for the best. If any fuel is left too long it will gum up and cause issues, so I wouldn’t leave it sitting forever and expect it to run. Thanks for all the wisdom you share. Cheers.
There are tribes of people in the world that have ether been recently found and left alone, or never been found. They live in a kind of bubble, free from modern technology and the luxury (that some people think are the given basics) of this world we have made. They live in huts made from whatever natural material is around them, passing the day with daily tasks that benefit their community without a thought of payment or self progression, just the want of the whole community to succeed and sustain their way of life. Far after we have ran ourselves into the ground and realised we have screwed it, long after the “the destruction of the world” they shall inherit the earth, and they deserve it far more than us. Until then I shall ride my bike on whatever it will take, knowing that it won’t last forever anyway. I’m not saying go vegan, ware sandals and walk everywhere. Just think less of what you consume with “want” and look more at what you could do with desire. Yes the government are crooked, but don’t blame them for everything, otherwise the changes you never make in your life will always be someone else’s fault. Fantastic video Stu, enjoy your rest and will see you Friday.
If a zen master meditates in the woods and no one notices. Why does he move to a place to get noticed??? Better yet. Why does he always have the latest model of a smart phone to get enlighten on??? Peace be with you.
My previous bike was an MZ Skorpion (Yamaha 660 single cylinder engine). At the end of a day's riding, the current petrol required me to switch off the fuel and leave the engine running until it cut out. Failure to do this meant that the following day, the engine completely refused to start. The only cure was to drop off the carb's float bowl and dump the contents. I replaced the carb and the second example had exactly the same issue. Something in the carb disagreed with the 5% ethanol so badly that it quickly poisoned the fuel sufficient to make it useless. I imagine ramping up the ethanol content is going to force many owners of older bikes to do something similar.
remove the ethanol by adding water to the E10 fuel in a see through container along with a little food colouring added to the water , the water absorbs the ethanol which can then be drained from the bottom of the container leaving no ethanol in the fuel. The process takes 24 hours to get full effect.
The owner's manual for my Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 (year and model 2021) contains the following information: Fuel Type: Unleaded Gasoline Ethanol content: E10 to E25 Minimum Octane Index: Octane RON 91 (Theoretical Octane Index) or Higher
The goal is not a 'fuel' system.. it's a feudal system. BG and the WEF believe pollution reduction is population reduction.. Jabs x 2 + boosters = PR. 😊
There's a diesel engine out there are 3 cylinder opposed that's actually like 50 to 55% efficient if I recall correctly from a previous video I watched maybe half a year ago can't recall the name I would like to State it it's expensive but it's actually badass though it's yeah it's technically six cylinders but it's three cylinders opposed I believe vertically it's not a boxer engine
If not so much a growing population…but rather how it’s growing. Third world country tries with increasing middle class is actually the biggest problem
Save the Planet, Kill yourself, ha ha. Please don't shoot the messenger. I am referring to the fear mongering governing with fear as a tool to gain respect. Crazy as it sounds however, I herd Sad Guru make a comment about people taking their own lives, because of fear of the virus. Fear brings anxiety, which leads to depression, which can bring about the thought of suicide. No Fear No respect policies, aren't respectful, they're life threatening, in my opinion. I think it's time science takes a leadership in making clean fuels. Funding should come from us the people. Then we can share the benefits. Instead of the oil giants.
Here in Australia we've had E10 for many years, over a 12months use it has been shown that the costs increase, our 98octane fuel, using 5,000klms/year works out the most economical and the best for the motor - it's possibly worthwhile adding 1.0ml acetone per 1.0litre and 2-5ml synthetic 2-stroke oil - the separation is a challenge and the 2-stroke oil can coat and protect the fuel tank - similarly, methylated spirits added periodically will reduce water surface tension, allowing burning of the fuel, reducing separation
Aye-yup...RIGHT! You can stop hiding under your beds boys & girls... I run my Interceptor 650 on E20 because that's what's available, and it's just as much fun.The biggest mistake you'll make is to garage your ride as some sort of misguided political stance. You have a motorcycle, Stay calm & ride on! (And SUBSCRIBE to Uncle Stu!)
Hello Stuart! Being a life long resident of Michigan, I haven’t found one marina that offers any ethanol fuel. Many boaters have been stranded on the Great Lakes because of ethanol. As for me, I hope I never have to use it in any of my vehicles. Thank you for the videos!
A lot of those boaters got stranded because until there was push back there was no option but ethanol fuel. The fuel docks were selling it out of ignorance,greed (subsidised and cheaper), or just plain unavailibilty of unadulterated fuels. The same disasterous results will happen in England too. And THEY at least should know better given the documented and anecdotal problems in the US. They just don't care. Our betters have spoken.
I have a spare dilithium crystal Stu, you can have that. Bought it at a car boot from a guy with pointy ears named Colin. He said it was in good condition and had only been used for 80 trillion light years. Apparently fits all models of RE & some Triumphs with a little "fettling".
Will it cause the magic smoke to leak out of my zener diodes? It might be nice not having to be home before dark for a change with the Lucus electrics I have been using.
@@SteeeveO From reading articles in Biker and Bike I got the idea that he didn't like motorcycles. Unless he has other plans for the crystal. They put those those in phasers too don't they? KAAAAAHHHHNNN!
In Australia E10 is almost universally avoided. Hotter running engine with 5-10% reduced efficiency means that it costs more to run than standard petrol. We don't have E5 and yet I wouldn't run any ethanol ever again. Also - if water gets into your fuel the effect is magnified with ethanol fuel.... Keep away from any ethanol in your fuel. Finally, cradle to grave it uses up more carbon as the carbon that goes into generating the ethanol is higher than the savings... Just doesn't make sense at any level.
Excellent and comprehensive overview. I'm in the US where E10 is what you basically always get unless you go out of your way searching for 100% gasoline. My 2002 Honda CB750 is not compatible with E10 (says so in the owners manual). I bought the bike in 2012 with only 400 miles on the odo (a real find) but had to rebuild the carburetors due to o-ring deterioration and partially plugged main jets. My practice now is to drain each of the four carburetor float bowls if I have not run the engine for two weeks. This may be overly cautious but it has kept me out of trouble. Thanks for your channel. Subscribed!
Ethanol fuel in a damp country like England is a recipe for trouble specially for low use machines that could sit for weeks with tanks full of ethanol fuel. Cars are not so affected due to their sealed fuel systems that limit the fuels exposure to air moisture, motorbikes however the fuel is much more exposed to the elements. Ethanol has an affinity for water, this could easily leave water droplets in your tank, which only has one place to go, into your carby or fuel injectors.
Actually alcohol is typically added to fuel to minimize problems with water condensation in tanks especially in conditions when conditions are just about freezing temperatures.
@@kronop8884 It's the same process, but reversed. In your situation you have a tank of fuel with some non miscible water droplets in the tank, some alcohol is deliberately added, usually a very small amount around 500mL or less to combine with the water and allow it to be carried through the fuel system and burnt. With E10 in a 50 L fuel tank you will have 5 L of alcohol all trying to attract water molecules into the the tank.
@@raygale4198 True, and in theory it might look like a potential problem. However having spent years in Brazil where everything runs on 100% Ethanol in combination with high humidity and rainy seasons I never experienced, or heard of anyone having problems with their cars or motorcycles due to the hydroscopic properties of alcohol. Perhaps if fuel was sitting for years on end in a tank this might cause concern.
Let’s face it what with COVID variants getting slowly worse, another world war on the horizon, climate change knocking on the door. E10 fuel is the least of our worries. Have a great weekend. I’ve got an evening of answering the phone. I work for the Samaritans.
Awesome info Stuart ! , on that I am picking up my Orange Crush Interceptor tomorrow morning ,, so looking forward to it as tomorrow the weather is looking good here in Western Australia . Keep up the good work mate .
Thank you, again, Stuart, for your very informarive views, and enjoy your .."time out". You well deserve it. If not to much of a problem, would you mind listing the music track and band playing in this latest vid. Thank you, all the best and enjoy. John
Here in the states we have been using 10% ethanol for many years,, modern motorcycles have been made to burn it, but small engines (lawn mowers & such) are destroyed by it. We have E85 for so called flex fuel vehicles. In recent years some of the fuel stations in my state of Arkansas have been offer premium grade non ethanol fuel which I use in my 20 year old Harley. Vintage motorcycles it is not recommended to use ethanol ⛽ fuel. It may not really matter since many governments are trying to outlaw ICE vehicles so we need to enjoy what we got while we got it.
Here in Brazil we have been using e25 for several years (since 2008). There are also cars and motorcycles that run on any proportion from 100% gasoline to 100% Ethanol, Known as Flex fuel engines. In the 1970s, the Brazilian government created the "Pró Álcool" (by alcohol) program for the development, production and sale of ethanol-powered cars, with tax breaks, to face the global oil crisis. In 2003 the first flex fuel car was launched in Brazil (VW Gol). As of 2008 all cars produced in Brazil use Flex Fuel engines, as well as most motorcycles up to 250cc. The use of ethanol reduces pollution and improves performance a little, as it has more octane, but increases fuel consumption. On average, here in Brazil, flex fuel cars consume 30% more fuel when fueled 100% with ethanol.. There is no perfect solution. I have a 650cc Interceptor. Fantastic bike, the essence of what a bike should be! Greetings from Brazil
Sir, have you faced any problems at all in using E25 fuel in your interceptor? As far as I know the OEM has only developed the engine so far to be compatible with E10 in India.
We are living through truly insane times…… Ain’t that the truth… always the poor who suffer, in order to appease the conscience of the rich. Thanks, as always, Stu 🙏👍😊
@@JiteshRout yeah inherit by being born in the right family invest it, liquidate and circulate the capital any average Joe given the money can do that 😂😂😂
Here in Maine in the states it's been 10% ethanol for quite some time haven't gone to E20 and I hope we don't I put an additive into my fuel I have 4, 5 gallon gas cans I fill up and put the additive stabilizer and injection cleaner in. I'm finding my motorcycles run a lot better but sometimes I have to fill up at the pump like on Saturday my 276 mile ride to Acadia National Park went to the top of Cadillac Mountain. Then back down to the furthest southern tip and had a really baked stuffed haddock stuffed with lobster when a seafood sauce. With fries on the side with a nice cold draft beer with blueberries in it that was tasty. Have fun on your rides stay safe.
A few days ago it took me 20 goes to start my petrol lawnmower, which has sat through the winter with E10 fuel. The previous year I used Shell V power, which is 5% ethanol, and the machine started far more easily. I almost always use V power or Esso super in my triumph, and my fiat 500. I always add fuel stabiliser to the bike's tank whennlaying it up for the wihter, and it starts first time every year.
Here in Canada we have had ethanol-laced fuel for some years. Some people claim to be able to tell the difference but frankly, I cannot. I will admit that my vintage bikes (‘83 BMW R100RS and three 1970s Yamaha XS650s) all use premium (95 octane) and thus far, it does not contained ethanol - so, for the most part, it hasn’t affected me much.
I have a vintage motorcycle, built in 1930, and with the use of brass in the fuel system - pipes, float, jet block and jets - and possible other vulnerable components, I make a point of draining the fuel if I’m not going to use the bike for a prolonged period. However, I was interested to read in the 1935 edition of “Tuning for Speed” the recommendation that the bike be run on ethylised petrol in order to be able to raise the compression ratio in order to make a touring engine “a little more snappy “. There are no caveats regarding potential damage to components caused by ethanol.
I also remember Cleveland Discol fuel, (I passed my motorcycle test in 1966) which included ethanol. It was sold widely from the 1920s/30s until 1968. I don’t recall any problems arising from the use of this fuel. The 1928 Velocette catalogue recommended using compression ratios and fuels for their KSS model as follows: 1). For touring. Compression ratio 6 to 1:- ordinary petrol; 2). Factory specification. Compression ratio 7 to 1:- 50/50 petrol/Benzole; 3). High compression ratio 8.5 to 1:- Discol PMS 2, containing ethanol. Incidentally, the KSS at that time was guaranteed to do 80mph on the 7 to 1. Perhaps the problem lies with modern materials used in recent vehicles, and modern seals, etc., used in classic and vintage ones?
I noticed in the video that Stuart was filling up with e5 and yes this will still be available for some time hopefully. I also use the latest version of Castrol Valvemaster that prevents ethanol damage as even e5 can cause problems, ie plastic petrol tanks such as used on some Aprilia and Triumph motorcycles, the damage being blistering of the tank itself or simply swelling up and no longer fitting the bike properly. I have had fuel pipe issues on my Suzuki GS850 outfit and have switched to a car type petrol hose designed to be submerged in a fuel tank and so far so good. The latest incarnation of Castrol Valvemaster also contains an octane booster which works very well with super unleaded and may or may not help e10 users in the power loss department.
@@mikecartlidge5355 I don’t own a modern motorcycle. My 1930 machine is a Scott Flying Squirrel, and the fuel pipe, carburettor body and float are all brass. My main concern is that the petrol tank has been lined, probably some time during the past 25 years, and I don’t know what effect ethanol will have on the liner. It seems ok so far though.
@@neilfoddering921 Hi Neil you can now buy chemicals that will safely remove old liner if you do have a problem, you can then re line the tank with a liner that will handle e10.
I have had chronic carburetor problems on my small engine power equipment. I also had a rough time getting my wife's carbureted bike to start in spring. We now have injected bikes, and they are ok with our e10. I still fill them as is opportune with the no ethanol fuel available a county or 2 away. It stores better.
I found out about E10 the hard way.....last Spring I had to tear my carburetor apart three times to get every tiny bit of corroded rubber out.....then replace the fuel line...fortunately premium fuel here (Canadian Prairies) is ethanol free...but I am sure they will eventually meddle with it as well.
In Brazil we are at 25%~40% ethanol already - our fuel sucks (and we pay a lot for it). Old bikes and cars struggle due to the carburator as the ethanol damages it.
I live in France and bought a new interceptor last year, on the petrol tank was a sticker stating "use only E5 or E10 fuel" so if you have an interceptor or continental GT your fine
I inadvertently filled up the Interceptor with E10 earlier in the week, but it does have the E10 sticker on the tank so I know it's not a major issue. I think I'll do what you suggest though and fill up with Super before the winter as I'll be using it less frequently then of course. I'll also definitely be putting E5 Super in my 1984 Suzuki GP100 from now on and in my Hayter petrol lawn mower. It might even make me mow the lawn faster..... With regard to EV's - I think they're going to become the new Diesels, you know, the super clean diesels that we were encouraged to buy instead of the horrid petrol cars until everyone had one and then the government decided they weren't that clean after all and then we were all told to buy the cleaner petrol cars. Formula One are currently trialling and developing fuel for Internal Combustion Engines that is "bio-waste" fuel, so properly carbon neutral as it's made from bio "waste" (therefore apparently cleaning up the world as it goes). I honestly believe that as soon as everyone has an EV, we'll all be told that we should be buying the new generation of Internal Combustion Engines that are much better for the environment because they run on a new 100% renewable "bio Waste" fuel. And then they'll offer scrappage schemes for our EV's so we go and buy the new vehicles instead. Keeps the money rolling in.......
In Sweden we have a scrappage program for "complete cars with an original catalyst", they'll offer you anywhere from 3000 to 10000 SEK (~320-1100 dollars) for them. "Complete cars". In other words some rusted thing with little value wont do but a thing that is roadworthy or easily fixable on the other hand they'll take. Every scrapyard i've been to will under no circumstance sell me any parts or the cars in question. Idiots leave their cars in there to be scrapped along with the parts they contain while probably being stupid enough to realize that the money they get is their own taxes or is freshly printed i.e government created inflation money. As a car guy i hate this for many reasons but enviromentally too, the resource use is insane.
the 2023 Sinnis Hoodlum Euro 5 requires 92 octane fuel (source: user manual page 3). The short version: it will run on E10 but my dealer recommends I fill up with E5 if and when available *to reduce the potential for engine damage*.
E10 has been a staple fuel here in the USA for a number of years. I personally have no fuel-related problems either with my motorcycles or 4 wheeled vehicles. Perhaps the fuel mileage has dropped from the time we had gasoline (Petrol) without the alcohol, but it has been so long now that no one pays any attention.
Genuine question, because England tends to have a damp climate most of the year and ethanol absorbs water is it possible that although I've seen a lot of comments from people in the states saying that they've not had any problems with E10 it could be problematic here (uk)?
@@sambrooks7862 I live in Florida where it is humid and if you let E10 sit for 2-3 months in a can or tank it will degrade and absorb moisture. Stabil additive works to keep the fuel from separating.
@@jamesharvey44 thanks James, I've been using a stabiliser since E5 was introduced in England some years back and at the moment a lot of places still sell E5 (super unleaded) so I'll keep using E5 for as long as it's still available. Thanks again. 👍
I live around Kansas City, Missouri in the US, and being in the middle of corn country, we have lots of E-10 and even E-85. E-85 is STRICTLY for E-85 vehicles only, however. Most all vehicles, including motocycles, use E-10 and you have to search to find non-ethanol fuel. In my opinion, E-10 works just fine as a day to day fuel. The only thing is is that it will go bad quickly (months) if not used, and usually faster in smaller quantities, a few gallons. It can be stored a bit longer, but it definitely needs fuel stabilizer added to it for best results. I have a vehicle from every decade from the 30's to the 2000's and they all work fine on E-10.
@@craiglicata I support the farmers no matter what their products are used for. The farmers grow corn and sell it for the highest price. After that, who ever buys it can, and do what ever they want with it. I don't like E-10 myself, but I do use it in my daily driver because it's more readily available, and it works just fine. I do use non ethanol in my bikes, yard equipment and a lot of my cars because they don't get driven everyday and to avoid fuel sys problems from leaving ethanol sitting for long periods of time. It's all about how it's being used.
@@JetScreamer24 You and I are subsidizing those "farmers" to grow that corn. No skin off my nose if they sell it to a distiller or a feedlot. I have a real issue with paying them to do it. And lets not kid ourselves about "farmers" tilling the land on the old IH Farmall.Get big or get out killed that and the farm debt crisis killed them in the 80s. Those that are left are corporate growers. Also did you hear that Bill Gates has a green thumb? Seems he bought a lot of land recently.
@@gregsmith5695 If you think that all farms today are corporate farms, then you aren't a farmer and don't know anything about farming. Where I'm from, I don't know of any corporate farms in our county or adjacent ones. These are family farms. They aren't the 200 or 300 acre farms of the 80's. They are farmers that farm a few thousand acres, on owned and/or rented land. They became big because they were small in the 80's and weren't the ones that went into debt and disappeared. They smartly grew over the years, and no, they don't farm with 60 - 70 year old tractors. With that being said, there are a lot of corporate farms in my state as in other states. I am not for subsidies for any corporate farms, because between them and the AG companies, they dictate prices to the cost of farming as well as crop prices. The only subsidies should be for the family farms to help level the playing field. Can't fight the corporate farms cause they have the politicians in their pockets, both sides! And the billionaires will do whatever they want with their money, because they can. Farmers can't fight that either! Now. None of this has anything to do with how a Royal Enfield runs on E-10, but I didn't take this conversation in this direction.
Stuart, industrial hemp breathes in more C02 than trees. It is a closed cycle when growing it for fuel. The C02 created by combusting hemp ethanol would be re-absorbed by the next hemp crop, so we would stop increasing the atmospheric levels.
Yes, there was so much money in it even members of a Royal family got involved it the manufacture and installation of those bloody awful blots on the landscape---Wind Turbines!!. Giant windmills that spend most of there time not rotating or after a short time have suffered catastrophic failure.. We are being conned....!
@@TerraPosse You would say that wouldn't you. I don't expect any other response from a treehugger....I live in a part of Spain where thousands of those damn things are now blotting a once beautiful landscape..You will be happy, I'm sure, to hear that I come from the generation ( Baby Boomer) you believe ruined the Planet.... Ha, Ha!
The technical specifications in my RE 650 manual say that up to E10 can be used. I'm in Thailand and have only ever put 95 in it so I can't comment on power or cost differences.
I have a 1954 In-line six carbureted car with 160 degree Fahrenheit thermostat. At 40 Fahrenheit ambient temp, underhood temp near the carburetor is hot enough to boil non-alcohol gas in the glass fuel filter bowl. All modern fuels have boiling problems in this circumstance.
As a biker I'm so looking forward to having to stop more and more often to fuel up... And it costing more and more... And having to suck the fuel out of my whole fuel system over the winter just in case it causes rust/corrosion... Or getting an electric bike and needing to stop for hours to 're-fuel'... And getting stuck because when you got low on power the next several chargers you visited were broken or had someone on them spending hours to charge... And effectively having half the already short range and double the already frequent re-charges because you can't rely on the infrastructure...
USA based subscriber here. Tracking my fuel economy for over 20 years across a number of vehicles shows that the mpg's decrease almost exactly equal to the amount of ethanol blended into the gasoline; so, E10 gave me about 10% degradation in my fuel economy, E15 gives me about 15%, etc. All of my carbureted small engines suffer greatly from ethanol and eventually they rot from the inside out. It starts with the carburetors themselves where the ethanol seems to destroy the alloys either from the alcohol attacking them or the water extracted from the air doing so. Eventually, the needles, needle seats, etc. all succumb and a complete replacement is necessary. The alcohol is particularly destructive to the plastics in the fuel components such as the gas tanks, the seals around the fuel line intrusions, and the fuel lines themselves. Replacing the fuel lines with ethanol compatible ones is fairly straight-forward; however, replacing the seals and the gas tanks themselves is often unpossible. I have three lawn trimmers and a rotary mower sitting in my shed at this very moment awaiting burial for this very reason. Adding food (alcohol) to our gasoline is a horrible, no good, very bad idea and makes no sense from either an environmental or an economic perspective. Environmentally, it requires more water, petroleum products (i.e. fertilizers), and arable land to produce the ethanol than it does to produce the gasoline replaced. Economically, it raises the cost per mile above using gasoline to travel the same distance. It's an especially bad economic decision once you factor in the replacement costs of the current generation of engines that are running just fine today.
Hi Stuart. Thanks again for a comprehensive and pragmatic presentation on a vexing issue. Most of us should be safe with our current vehicles, but I take your points on worldwide population dynamics, the future of water resources and the constant burden on the under dog. Perhaps many will resort to electric cycles, walking or horse and cart again! Governments will do what they do and we have to remember it was we who put them there. I shudder to think of the admnistrative inadequacies when electtic is the norm (availability of charging resources, limited range), quite similar to the existing situation vis a vis CNG vehicle (like in countries like India). Regarding Covid related frustrations, I couldn't agree with you more. Being a physician working in that field in India, population, civic sense and administrative systems drive us bats! And the third wave should peak here by October! Time to head for the hills? By the way, thats a most elegant pair of brown gloves you had on. I imagine it feels even better. I remember you gave a description in an earlier video, but my dementing memory banks just suffered a skid🤣🤣🤣. Heres wishing you a good R&R session. I will of course check in on friday for your next elevating report. Bye. Shashi.
I have a 1995 carbureted motorcycle that was in storage for 20 years. It was stored full of non-alcohol gas, Twice during that time the fuel in the tank was drained and refilled with non-alcohol gas. The tank is not rusty and I have no fuel problems.
Here in the USA we have already seen farming shift from food grade to industrial grade to grab the govt subsidies and impacting the commodities market. It has long been proven that E-fuel impacts almost all small engines negatively, dramatically shorten the lifespan and does in fact cost more and encourage higher taxation IF there is a reported savings at the pump. I only run Super Grade in my bikes-all fuel injected. I winter store my bikes with E-free race fuel at considerable expense, and I also run my small engine lawn engines on E-free 'canned' fuel. The total cost of my efforts and equipment repair or replacement over the years has this planet-saving E-fuel BS upside down. The best way to save the planet is to vote out these gas-bag politicians...;-)
We have E10 and E85 here in the states. I thought only we had it because of the corn lobby. It drove up the price of corn based food. Honestly I have not had any serious issues with the fuel but you do lose some fuel mileage with it. Most small engine powered products ie: snowblowers, power washers, lawn mowers don't recommend anything above E10. Any classic car or biker needs to change fuel hoses to a ethanol resistant hose or it will eat them up as well as carburetor parts any gaskets or accelerator pumps.
The E85 would actually be E100 but the 15% gasoline is there because it was feared we stupid proles might take to drinking it instead of paying for nice heavily taxed and bonded liquor.
Great you've covered this prominent topic. My interceptor has both an e5 and e10 sticker on the fuel tank. I use supreme in all my bikes and an 05 plate car at the mo. I will also experiment removing ethanol with water, there are a number of vlogs on this, and add an octane boost to the ethanol removed fuel. A bit of a faff but only way in the longer term we will be able to keep our classic vehicles on the road🙄
@@Kamarov2090 mine is may 2020 Baker Express and the stickers are on my tank above the filler cap towards the headstock. Use high octane petrol cause that is a max 5% ethanol so far.
Excellent (and, to me, timely) installment here, Stuart. As a Yank, here's the most info I can offer (sorry if it's bit scattershot): - Depending on the part of the States one lives in (or travels through), while E10 has been pretty much a standard for a while, you'll find everything from E10 to E85(!) available, the latter presumably for use in vehicles designated as "FlexFuel." (You likely know this, ut I'm just putting it out here.) - There's been recent controversy here as to the short- and mid-term storage efficacy of E10, with some stating that the stated issues regarding separation and the attendant issues with corrosion and the like are overblown (at least in terms of modern vehicles), while others maintain that there are problems. I remain agnostic on the issue. - You comment regarding Piaggio was an eye-opener: My 2015 Vespa GTS300 Super officially runs on E10 Premium ("Super" on that side of the Atlantic, US93 octane), although the manual, as well as the sticker next to the gas cap states *not* to fill the tank with anything with higher Ethanol content than E10. I hazard a guess than anything else Piaggio imports here, from Piaggio's own brand of scooters to Moto-Guzzi (funny, I thought y'all pronounced it "Moto-GUTSY" over there, and that *we* were "doing it wrong"), to Aprilia, should all be on-board with E10. - There's been some talk about introducing E15 nationwide as the "new" standard, but I predict that will go over like the proverbial lead balloon here, largely due to politics (what else?) along with the fact that it took forever-and-a-day to get E10 across the board. Personally, I'm okay with that, since while I'm anything *but* a climate-denier, I strongly doubt further tinkering with Ethanol is going to help much on the c02 front. (Nor, IMO, is simply "going electric", but that's another argument for another time.) - I had no idea there even *was* a thing like E5/E7: I presumed (ignorantly), that E10 was more-or-less an international thing. Consider my chastened. - As far as E10 versus straight gasoline/petrol, I don't have much of a reference: my GTS is my first road machine, bought new in late 2015, my first moto since riding dirt bikes some four decades previous, and E10 is the only go-juice I've ever known. In addition, since I deviate from the 'Murican norm and use my ride for basic transportation rather than just a weekend/warm-weather toy, I ride pretty much year-round, pausing only for heavy snow/ice conditions, meaning the bike is idle for a few weeks rather than months, so "stale" fuel in the tank has never been a problem. For my lawn mower, it's a different story, which is why I retired the gas mower for an electric version a few months back. (One area where electric makes *absolute* sense.) - I believe the E10 issue is largely going to have an effect on owners of older vehicles, which, paradoxically, effects two opposite ends of the economic scale, both Over Here and Over There: folks who can't afford newer/more-economical vehicles (over here, they drive ten-year-old giant SUVs like Ford Expeditions, Chevy TrailBlazers and Dodge Durangos, with MPG ratings approaching the single-digits), and the more-well-heeled and their high-octane vintage rides. The funny thing is that *my* ride uses Premium as well (explains why my 300cc ride can keep up with fast highway traffic), so I grok the concern here. Great stuff here, Stuart, as usual.
Dad has a 2005 moto guzzi griso 1100, and 2003 lemans 1100. Here in California we have had e10/e15 only station for a decade or more. Both "aren't compatible" but have been doing fine. The main issue with guzzi in that era is the plastic tanks. Causes paint to bubble on the lemans, griso has been fine. Pretty sure my 80's guzzi's aren't e10/e15 friendly but I run it anyways. Just need to richen up the fuel mixture and go. I have first hand seen old fuel/ethanol damage it's annoying but that's the price we pay now.
Totally agree with your view and opinion on climate change, pollution of the earth, population, etc. I would go further but in order to avoid the severe backlash, I will just say that the real problem IS the world population, fix that and the rest just naturally follows, but of course we may have already buggered everything up, just my opinion of course🤔
My local Tesco in Suffolk has had E10 for a while. Yesterday, I wanted to buy some petrol for my lawnmower and some more for my 2 stroke tools. I decided to buy E5 which is available there but at 140.9 p/l. So overnight the cost of E5 petrol has jumped up significantly, its a good job that my tools don't use much. It will be interesting to see if E10 has any effect on my bikes. The 2013 Sportster should be OK but I am slightly concerned for my 1981 Honda CX 500 and if I ever get it recommissioned my 1954 BSA A10.
So, if I had a vehicle that was incompatible with E10 all I would have to do is travel 65 miles to my nearest petrol station that stocks Super Unleaded.... Makes sense to the enviromental town-dwellers I suppose. On a positive note, I am now definitely now old enough to officially join the Old Farts Club as my first thought on hearing about E10 was "will the lawnmower run on it" (and I f@cking hate cutting the bloody grass).
Stuart, many thanks for this explanation. I saw a headline about the 'new' fuel and 'Your vehicle might not be compatible' but it's really difficult to actually get any detailed info. And yes, there are too many people .......
Fuel stabilizers barely work or do not work with ethanol blended gasolines. Mowers, snow blowers, string trimmers, chainsaws etc will have problems. They will run ok but the problem comes from the intermittent use and storage. Use no-alcohol or completely drain when not in use.
Just watched a video on Harry's garage channel he's talking to lord Bamford at JCB HYDROGEN is the way forward for heavy plant machines and HGVS He says the world leaders and politicians have been obsessed with Elon Musk and the electric obsession.
I saw that vid, great and well presented, made me think hydrogen is the way forward, although there is no real evidence fossil fuels are causing a problem, read a book, "unsettled" by Steven koonan
@@TerraPosse battery power is not the solution for commercial use these vehicles have no down time for recharging and the batteries will weigh up to 6000 kgs
agree completely, all the worlds problems all stem from the same issue, to many people, simple as that, if we all had just one child for two generations problem solved, p.s. has anyone seen the 80's film "Logans Run" problem solved
Thanks for heads up Stuart, I live in Gibraltar and am intending to bring a 1982 650 Honda Nighthawk out here, it was my regular ride back in uk, originally sold in the US it was brought over to UK some years ago by a previous owner, anyway, I'll have to see what we are using out here and if a bike of that era would be ok on E10, I'll update you when I've made a trip to the petrol stn. Great peice, I had no idea what the different fuel types related to.
Hi Stuart, I can confirm that in Gibraltar we are still on E5, i'll check what is on offer in Spain and see if there is anything different in case we have anyone heading down this way.
I live in the top corn producing state in the US. We are the top alcohol producing state. We produce 25% of the ethanol in the US. There are 14 alcohol plants here and 9 more planned. Half of our corn production goes to ethanol. Corn producers are very politically active and powerful here. Corn is a very, very big deal in my state.
10% ethanol gas was first available in my state in June 1978. Many cars that made the switch to ethanol blend at the time experienced several plugged fuel filters initially.
If you have a modern fuel injected daily driven car (with knock sensors, VVT, closed loop ECU, etc) and you use E10 or E15 from the outset, your car will run very well, burn clean and have no fuel related problems.
No idea ethanol in my petrol but I have been having problems with my 2005 pulsar last year. My 2013 FZ no problem to date. Water in tank and carburettor problems.
Some petrol companies in eu don't add ethanol to the 98 octane Premium fuels. BP ultimate 102, Esso synergy suprême and Shell v-Power. Storage for fuels. 6 months for ethanol fuel, 1 year for normal fuel, 3 years for alkylate fuels. Problems with ethanol fuels. Rust in metal fueltanks and also the need to clean the carburator if the bike or lawnmower is sitting unused for a while.
Was just about to comment about CCM's current stance on e10 then you said exactly what I was about to say, I always use premium e5 in my Scrambler anyway. Very informative as usual Stuart, thank you 👍
Don't forget sugar beet. British Sugar has had a large ethanol producing plant at Wissington Norfolk for some years now. Green Energy Plc tankers are regularly seen filling up with ethanol there
In the US, I’ve had mixed results with ethanol in my bikes. I’m fortunate to live near the coast where a lot of boaters can’t run ethanol, so a lot of local stations have ethanol free unleaded (90 octane) for 20-30 cents higher per gallon than the rest. I always fill my 84 BMW K100 with the ethanol free and the rest get premium with ethanol. When the change happened here some years ago, the ethanol mix wreaked havoc on older equipment…not so much in the actual combustion, but the rubber and plastic lines, gaskets, and pumps couldn’t withstand it.
in brazil we have been running variations from 20% to 27% alcohol on petrol for about 20 years, all vehicles produced or designed outside country must to be "tropicalized". RE handle easily with this fuel but it can lead to pre-detonation in specific situations. I think that producing the volume of alcohol needed for this new markets will create a problem bigger than burning gasoline
It's the absolute truth again Stuart. Ecologists in Germany have said if we go to zero emissions now it's too late following the floods. The Amazon rainforest already puts out more Carbon than what it absorbs. I thaught this was meant to be the lungs of the planet. Sugar cane and corn =ethenol. Sugar cane farmers in Australia can use over $30k of diesel a month!
I should have also added to my comments that the plastic fuel level float of my 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet completely dissolved in E10 to the point where there was nothing left but the bare wires of the float sensor left in the tank after about 4 years. I have no idea where the dissolved plastic went other than it must have gone through the bike's FI system and was burned in the engine along with the E10. Fortunately, the replacement fuel level float hasn't dissipated yet and is still working after 6 years. So maybe RE has changed the float's plastic formula since 2011 to be more resistant to E10.
Jets dont run on alcohol so you are correct in that assumption, there are however a number of synthetic fuels and even some biofuels that are rated in some cases to be mixed in jet fuel up to 50%
Jets can run on any liquid that burns. They run best on diesel, but that turns to wax at high altitude temperatures so they run on aviation kerosene which is between paraffin and gasoline really.
@@simonwatts8338 While they can run on many fuels it does not mean that they are allowed to, in aviation they are only allowed to run on fuels that meet exacting specifications for safety and economic reasons (wear may accelerate). Actually fighter jets require even more specific additives than civilian applications to run safely. In really cold applications, think Antarctic, specifically formulated jet fuel is used with even better low temperature properties than normal commercial Jet-A1 fuel, no Ethanol added though.
Excellent report Stu, hit the nail on the head again! Hope you enjoy your break, I wish you hadn't mentioned pork pies though, now, where's that jar of pickle?
Hello Mr. Fillingham, congrats on 100K+ views on your Meteor 350 review. Thank you for your previous vid featuring the original Interceptor. Looking forward to your shop tour of Hitchcock's. Even though I live in the US Hitchcock's is my go to for my INT 650 and will be for the Fireball Yellow Meteor when it arrives. My only problem with E10 fuel has been with small engines made in China especially those with diaphragm type carbs. Enjoy your break Sir!
Thanks for the video. I approached Royal Enfield two weeks ago after buying a new Classic 500. My bike does have E5 and E10 stickers on the tank. They said my bike would be fine with E10. However I think I'll move to E5 Super Unleaded when E10 kicks in just to be safe.
I live in the US and we have had E10 for a while, E10 for the most part works okay but you do lose around 5% performance and milage. On the 2003 Bullet 500 I had, it ate the carb mounting rubber and I had to change it over to a newer compound rubber. If you own classic 70's and older bikes you may have to change "O" rings to Viton/Nitrile or get modern rebuild kits for your carbs. And old fiberglass fuel tanks fail quite spectacularly turning into a slimy goo before clogging your jets. If you store your bike during the winter, pull and drain the tank as even stabilized E10 will collect moisture and rot out seams over time. I don't see E20 being any better but we do have E15 and very few vehicles can use it.
... in my current Car ( Opel Signum ) I never used it yet ( it is not allowed for the engine to be used as it is destroying the rubber seals.) That said I am not really sure if it is safe to use it in my Honda NTV.... Beside this I experienced reduced power and range when using it, so I do not use it.
E10 petrol been in use in the states for years because the alcohol used to cut the gas is cheap. E-10 used quickly isn't a problem, E-10 that sits needs a stabilizer or it starts pulling water into the gas and creates problem. E-10 to E-20 switch is a problem here because older vehicles can't run that high of a cut of Ethanol without issues, E-15 & E-20 will destroy rubber fuel lines and gaskets, along with out of range for most ECM fuel management or carburetor systems without modification, and can cause severe engine damage frome that and lean burning unless addressed.
Ideally you shouldn't store it even with E5 for long periods of time as it can cause rust etc inside the tank... Either drain the tank or separate the ethanol out of your fuel by putting it in a container with a tap, adding water and with a good shaking and leaving it to settle you'll get 3 layers... Fuel, ethanol and water. You can use the tap to drain out the bottom layer and it should be all petrol.
"Where is all the electricity going to come from" Exactly! Also, i wonder if motorway service stations will have to be enlarged to accommodate the thousands of extra "recharge stops"
Just got on my bike this morning and noticed a E5/,E10 the tank. Funny never noticed it before.2020 Royal Enfield Interceptor, so I'm assuming I'm ok to use E10
Perfect summing up of the world’s government’s attitudes to pollution and population growth. I don’t have kids but unfortunately Boris has negated any benefits of that plan!
No doubt there are/will be fuel additives like Redex to compensate, but that's only feasible for classic vehicles that aren't doing big mileage. I used to add Castrol high-octane fuel additive to a BSA 650 that I owned over ten years ago. The previous owner said he got petrol from a local flying club that had 5-star aviation fuel, which cost (at the time) about the same as unleaded with the Castrol additive.
All modern fuels have higher Reid Vapor Pressure than fuels back in the day. Reid Vapor Pressure is higher in winter blends and lower in summer blends. All modern fuels can be troublesome for cars with carbs that do not have pressurized fuel supply lines and recirculation like fuel injected cars have. Alcohol blended fuels get a Reid Vapor Pressure waiver that allows them to be 1 point higher. Cars with "vapor lock" problems, have them because of the modern fuels and they will have them with ethanol blends.
Im in the U.S.. in 2016 I picked up a Ford truck. As it was equiped with FLEX-FUEL, meaning it could run on E-85. I did a test, very small scale. I used every available fuel type offered at my local station for a week of my normal driving. I then broke it down in cost per mile over that week. Unfortunatley my notes havent survived. Maybe ill do it again. But between E-85 105oct, E-10 89oct, Regular 87oct, Mid 89oct , and Super 91oct. The winner was the Mid 89oct followed very close on by Super 91oct. The mid, regular, and super are all 100% gas at my local station. I have since only put the Super in everything. Wish I could have found the numbers and math. But it was all 'napkin ' work and not scientific.
Typically you need a price difference of at least 20% to make up for the mileage reduction when running on E85 but it also depends on how well the engine and fuel injection is adapted which varies a lot between makes and models
Piaggio say that the Vespa GTS 300 is E5 & E10 compatible. I know this because I’ve just bought a new 300 and it has stickers by the filler cap to say so.
I love your videos sir. I am planning to buy a Royal Enfield now. Although it has became a quite common bike here in India. Every third person has a RE.
Actually the performance improves, as ethanol has higher octanes than petrol. But the milage gets worse. 100% Ethanol has 30% less milage than e27 petrol (it's what we have in brazil to compare) but usually you get 2 hp by fueling with 100% ethanol (you can get more with higher compression rates) And yes it is difficult to start a cold (16°C or bellow) engine. Manufacturers used to implement petrol assisted start, but nowadays it heats the injector prior.
Here in Sweden E10 is now the new standard petrol since beginning of august. Almost none of our cold petrol stations have higher octane on offer which means that a lot of the countryside now has no better petrol on offer other than E10. Yesterday when I was out riding my Kawasaki I had to take a 25km detour to fill my bike up as I´m not putting E10 in my tank before I know for a fact that is does not damage anything. This of course means that sooner or later people will be caught out in a situation where they must use the E10, so we propably will very soon start to hear grumblings about this. There are lots of classic cars, bikes and boats in Sweden and it will be interesting to see how this turns out in a longer run. They also represent quite a staggering amount of wealth and influence, the classic scene is no poor mans game. Some ruined classic Ferrari engines later there will propably be heated discussions about this topic. And all because of some stupid politicians who want to show the people that they are in control of the climate situation. Good grief...
I can assure you, that it damage everything in the engine and the fuel lines. All this is Tyrants that only want to find other Method of ruling over others and depressing people.
They've already inoculated the herd.. next they're going to inoculate the internal combustion engine out of existence too.
The ethanol is easy to remove, I will not be using E10 in my motorcycles.
@@georgebarnes8163 then who do you do that. Cant you explain if its so easy?
@@Gismo3333 looking at the horizon, degraded E fuel is the least of our worries.. like Bette Davis once euphemistically warned. Fasten your seat belts people! It's going to be a bumpy ride or more likely, a very long walk.
So, if the idea (here in the UK) is having us use E10 for "green" reasons, then isn't the fact that we have to use more fuel to go the same distance self-defeating...🤔
It's all just political window dressing. Appearing to do something positive, that in reality is just robing Peter to pay back Paul.
Greenwash
@@davidbesant ten percent less FOSSIL carbon. Then burn ten percent more of the 90 percent FOSSIL carbon ....... Mmm 9.0 plus 0.9 fossil....is 99percent of the fossil fuel used in e00. So yay .
I think its more a move to increase churn in vehicles and retire some of the old ( pre 2000) stock
@@jasonudall8614 And you figured it out. This is to destroy present ICE stocks slowly enough to not cause an all out backlash.
@@gregsmith5695 Yeh! its all political retoric for the propaganda factor and the votes they need to stay in power. What a crock... My 98 Fazer is deff not compatible with e10, put e5 in and have a fuel bomb in the tank to stabalise the fuel or something.. they a just a few quid on ebay and are supposed to mitigate the degradation of fuel when left a while.. The fact the ethanol seperates and degrades over time is the reason Ive put it in, but also hoping that I can still have some fuel pipes etc at the end of the day.. cheers very interesting about india..
Here in the US we have at least a half dozen fuel stabilizers available at your local auto parts and accessories store that work to prevent rust, degradation of plastic and rubber in fuel systems while also extending the life of the fuel. Also we have some stations that still sell non-ethanol fuel, at a premium of course. Owners of boats, motorcycles , classic cars and lawn equipment are the chief customers. There are videos on You Tube showing how to remove ethanol from fuel but frankly it’s not worth the time and effort and anytime you start playing with volatile chemicals in my opinion you’re just asking for trouble. The real problem we face is that we have a group of elites with too much time on their hands.
And those products also slice dice and can grow hair on a bowling ball but if you order right now during this commercial you can double your order (just pay shipping and handling)
It is mostly plecebo effect. I wish they actually worked as advertised.
But whats the point of destroying the fuel first, and making a bad fix after, that cost a lot of money?
We are at lest not going empty for oil in the first 200-300 years. So why begin with this shit now?
It is because they want power over other people. Nothing else. They are tyrants… worse then the Nazis under ww2.
Project Farm did a great video comparing various fuel stabilizers including letting parts sit in treated vs untreated ethanol fuels for as as much as a year IIRC. The results of his testing showed that the fuel stabilizers did very little to prevent the deleterious effects of adding ethanol to your gasoline.
Here in Australia E10 fuel has been offered for several years. Every time I've tried it I have found the price saving (about 5%) is offset by the 10% increase in fuel consumption and disappointing reduction in performance. Its rare now to find a service station that still offer it. I pity any place that it's compulsory!
Yep. Also my experience.
It’s all to do with reducing reliance on oil. That’s the real reason.
@@sexysilversurfer Maybe on paper but my experience with E10 is higher fuel consumption so that completely offsets any oil usage reduction right there so now we're back to square one... Maybe a different scenario in cars specifically designed to only run on E10? Dunno...
@@sexysilversurfer Except modern agriculture is entirely dependent on oil.
Same in my case, I have a 2011 Tiger 1050 and it does support E10, I filled it with E10 just the once and it ran so very rough and was so down on power I topped it off with Premium 95 at the first opportunity, never revisited it. E10 isnt an environmental panacea, combusting ethanol isnt any better for the environment - it is good for the corn industry though.. thats about it.
Great vid as always, Uncle Stu. I can chime in from the ‘States about E10 fuel. I’ve used it in my 2000 Jeep Wrangler since day one as it’s difficult in my area to find pure petrol. It still has the old iron inline six cylinder but is fuel injected with a basic ECU controlled ignition. The only issue I have is that on extremely hot days I get a bit of spark knock or “pinging” if I am towing or lug the rpms down too much climbing an incline. The same thing happens with my 2018 Triumph Street Cup. It doesn’t seem to matter what octane I choose, as we have on offer 87, 89, or 93 which are all e10 fuels. The only issue I’ve had with ethanol fuel is with small engines that I don’t use that often such as a chain saw. If any fuel is left in them for a season it will inevitably not start or run properly if at all until the fuel system is cleaned out. Many times the carburetor will have to be completely cleaned out, a new spark plug installed, and components such as primer pumps fuel lines and filters replaced before it will run. There are fuel stabilizers available but the easiest thing to do is to keep a small can of pure petrol in the shed for the lawn equipment. As far as the bike or autos, you will never be near a pure petrol station when you need it, so it’s not worth the bother. For long term storage I believe one should run the ethanol fuel as low as possible then fill up with pure petrol, run it a bit to make sure it is throughout the system, and hope for the best. If any fuel is left too long it will gum up and cause issues, so I wouldn’t leave it sitting forever and expect it to run. Thanks for all the wisdom you share.
Cheers.
There are tribes of people in the world that have ether been recently found and left alone, or never been found. They live in a kind of bubble, free from modern technology and the luxury (that some people think are the given basics) of this world we have made. They live in huts made from whatever natural material is around them, passing the day with daily tasks that benefit their community without a thought of payment or self progression, just the want of the whole community to succeed and sustain their way of life. Far after we have ran ourselves into the ground and realised we have screwed it, long after the “the destruction of the world” they shall inherit the earth, and they deserve it far more than us. Until then I shall ride my bike on whatever it will take, knowing that it won’t last forever anyway. I’m not saying go vegan, ware sandals and walk everywhere. Just think less of what you consume with “want” and look more at what you could do with desire. Yes the government are crooked, but don’t blame them for everything, otherwise the changes you never make in your life will always be someone else’s fault. Fantastic video Stu, enjoy your rest and will see you Friday.
Yes most live in the UK in Birmingham Bradford London Leicester etc etc etc
If a zen master meditates in the woods and no one notices. Why does he move to a place to get noticed??? Better yet. Why does he always have the latest model of a smart phone to get enlighten on??? Peace be with you.
My previous bike was an MZ Skorpion (Yamaha 660 single cylinder engine). At the end of a day's riding, the current petrol required me to switch off the fuel and leave the engine running until it cut out. Failure to do this meant that the following day, the engine completely refused to start. The only cure was to drop off the carb's float bowl and dump the contents. I replaced the carb and the second example had exactly the same issue. Something in the carb disagreed with the 5% ethanol so badly that it quickly poisoned the fuel sufficient to make it useless.
I imagine ramping up the ethanol content is going to force many owners of older bikes to do something similar.
remove the ethanol by adding water to the E10 fuel in a see through container along with a little food colouring added to the water , the water absorbs the ethanol which can then be drained from the bottom of the container leaving no ethanol in the fuel. The process takes 24 hours to get full effect.
The owner's manual for my Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 (year and model 2021) contains the following information:
Fuel Type: Unleaded Gasoline
Ethanol content: E10 to E25
Minimum Octane Index: Octane RON 91 (Theoretical Octane Index) or Higher
Brilliant, first time I've heard population growth openly discussed in the context of pollution reduction.
The goal is not a 'fuel' system.. it's a feudal system. BG and the WEF believe pollution reduction is population reduction.. Jabs x 2 + boosters = PR. 😊
There's a diesel engine out there are 3 cylinder opposed that's actually like 50 to 55% efficient if I recall correctly from a previous video I watched maybe half a year ago can't recall the name I would like to State it it's expensive but it's actually badass though it's yeah it's technically six cylinders but it's three cylinders opposed I believe vertically it's not a boxer engine
It actually gets more efficient with a few extra cylinders
If not so much a growing population…but rather how it’s growing. Third world country tries with increasing middle class is actually the biggest problem
Save the Planet, Kill yourself, ha ha. Please don't shoot the messenger. I am referring to the fear mongering governing with fear as a tool to gain respect. Crazy as it sounds however, I herd Sad Guru make a comment about people taking their own lives, because of fear of the virus. Fear brings anxiety, which leads to depression, which can bring about the thought of suicide. No Fear No respect policies, aren't respectful, they're life threatening, in my opinion. I think it's time science takes a leadership in making clean fuels. Funding should come from us the people. Then we can share the benefits. Instead of the oil giants.
Here in Australia we've had E10 for many years, over a 12months use it has been shown that the costs increase, our 98octane fuel, using 5,000klms/year works out the most economical and the best for the motor - it's possibly worthwhile adding 1.0ml acetone per 1.0litre and 2-5ml synthetic 2-stroke oil - the separation is a challenge and the 2-stroke oil can coat and protect the fuel tank - similarly, methylated spirits added periodically will reduce water surface tension, allowing burning of the fuel, reducing separation
Aye-yup...RIGHT! You can stop hiding under your beds boys & girls... I run my Interceptor 650 on E20 because that's what's available, and it's just as much fun.The biggest mistake you'll make is to garage your ride as some sort of misguided political stance. You have a motorcycle, Stay calm & ride on! (And SUBSCRIBE to Uncle Stu!)
Hello Stuart! Being a life long resident of Michigan, I haven’t found one marina that offers any ethanol fuel. Many boaters have been stranded on the Great Lakes because of ethanol. As for me, I hope I never have to use it in any of my vehicles. Thank you for the videos!
A lot of those boaters got stranded because until there was push back there was no option but ethanol fuel. The fuel docks were selling it out of ignorance,greed (subsidised and cheaper), or just plain unavailibilty of unadulterated fuels. The same disasterous results will happen in England too. And THEY at least should know better given the documented and anecdotal problems in the US. They just don't care. Our betters have spoken.
I have a spare dilithium crystal Stu, you can have that. Bought it at a car boot from a guy with pointy ears named Colin. He said it was in good condition and had only been used for 80 trillion light years. Apparently fits all models of RE & some Triumphs with a little "fettling".
Will it cause the magic smoke to leak out of my zener diodes? It might be nice not having to be home before dark for a change with the Lucus electrics I have been using.
@@gregsmith5695 sorry it's been sold to a nice man called Khan.
@@SteeeveO The mayor of London has a motorcycle?
@@gregsmith5695 yep. A Ducati Desmosadiqi. Sorry.
@@SteeeveO From reading articles in Biker and Bike I got the idea that he didn't like motorcycles. Unless he has other plans for the crystal. They put those those in phasers too don't they? KAAAAAHHHHNNN!
In Australia E10 is almost universally avoided. Hotter running engine with 5-10% reduced efficiency means that it costs more to run than standard petrol. We don't have E5 and yet I wouldn't run any ethanol ever again.
Also - if water gets into your fuel the effect is magnified with ethanol fuel.... Keep away from any ethanol in your fuel.
Finally, cradle to grave it uses up more carbon as the carbon that goes into generating the ethanol is higher than the savings... Just doesn't make sense at any level.
Excellent and comprehensive overview. I'm in the US where E10 is what you basically always get unless you go out of your way searching for 100% gasoline. My 2002 Honda CB750 is not compatible with E10 (says so in the owners manual). I bought the bike in 2012 with only 400 miles on the odo (a real find) but had to rebuild the carburetors due to o-ring deterioration and partially plugged main jets. My practice now is to drain each of the four carburetor float bowls if I have not run the engine for two weeks. This may be overly cautious but it has kept me out of trouble. Thanks for your channel. Subscribed!
Thanks Stuart. A very informative video, just like all your others.
Ethanol fuel in a damp country like England is a recipe for trouble specially for low use machines that could sit for weeks with tanks full of ethanol fuel. Cars are not so affected due to their sealed fuel systems that limit the fuels exposure to air moisture, motorbikes however the fuel is much more exposed to the elements. Ethanol has an affinity for water, this could easily leave water droplets in your tank, which only has one place to go, into your carby or fuel injectors.
Actually alcohol is typically added to fuel to minimize problems with water condensation in tanks especially in conditions when conditions are just about freezing temperatures.
@@kronop8884 Ethanol is hygroscopic, meaning it absorbs moisture from the air. Ray is correct
@@kronop8884 It's the same process, but reversed. In your situation you have a tank of fuel with some non miscible water droplets in the tank, some alcohol is deliberately added, usually a very small amount around 500mL or less to combine with the water and allow it to be carried through the fuel system and burnt. With E10 in a 50 L fuel tank you will have 5 L of alcohol all trying to attract water molecules into the the tank.
@@raygale4198 True, and in theory it might look like a potential problem. However having spent years in Brazil where everything runs on 100% Ethanol in combination with high humidity and rainy seasons I never experienced, or heard of anyone having problems with their cars or motorcycles due to the hydroscopic properties of alcohol. Perhaps if fuel was sitting for years on end in a tank this might cause concern.
Let’s face it what with COVID variants getting slowly worse, another world war on the horizon, climate change knocking on the door. E10 fuel is the least of our worries. Have a great weekend. I’ve got an evening of answering the phone. I work for the Samaritans.
Awesome info Stuart ! , on that I am picking up my Orange Crush Interceptor tomorrow morning ,, so looking forward to it as tomorrow the weather is looking good here in Western Australia . Keep up the good work mate .
Thank you, again, Stuart, for your very informarive views, and enjoy your .."time out". You well deserve it. If not to much of a problem, would you mind listing the music track and band playing in this latest vid. Thank you, all the best and enjoy. John
Here in the states we have been using 10% ethanol for many years,, modern motorcycles have been made to burn it, but small engines (lawn mowers & such) are destroyed by it. We have E85 for so called flex fuel vehicles. In recent years some of the fuel stations in my state of Arkansas have been offer premium grade non ethanol fuel which I use in my 20 year old Harley. Vintage motorcycles it is not recommended to use ethanol ⛽ fuel. It may not really matter since many governments are trying to outlaw ICE vehicles so we need to enjoy what we got while we got it.
In Brazil, petrol is E27 for quite some time.
Keep up the good work, Stuart, best regards.
Here in Brazil we have been using e25 for several years (since 2008). There are also cars and motorcycles that run on any proportion from 100% gasoline to 100% Ethanol, Known as Flex fuel engines.
In the 1970s, the Brazilian government created the "Pró Álcool" (by alcohol) program for the development, production and sale of ethanol-powered cars, with tax breaks, to face the global oil crisis. In 2003 the first flex fuel car was launched in Brazil (VW Gol). As of 2008 all cars produced in Brazil use Flex Fuel engines, as well as most motorcycles up to 250cc.
The use of ethanol reduces pollution and improves performance a little, as it has more octane, but increases fuel consumption. On average, here in Brazil, flex fuel cars consume 30% more fuel when fueled 100% with ethanol.. There is no perfect solution.
I have a 650cc Interceptor. Fantastic bike, the essence of what a bike should be!
Greetings from Brazil
Sir, have you faced any problems at all in using E25 fuel in your interceptor? As far as I know the OEM has only developed the engine so far to be compatible with E10 in India.
We are living through truly insane times…… Ain’t that the truth… always the poor who suffer, in order to appease the conscience of the rich. Thanks, as always, Stu 🙏👍😊
@@JiteshRout the royal family ahem ahem
@@JiteshRout yeah inherit by being born in the right family invest it, liquidate and circulate the capital any average Joe given the money can do that 😂😂😂
Unlike the Poor the obscenely rich can always find a way to adapt or find a loop hole in which to hide...
@@namirkalra8815 you think Bill Gates inherited his riches?
@@namirkalra8815 if it would be that simple then every lottery winner would have been a "stupidly" rich as you say
Here in Maine in the states it's been 10% ethanol for quite some time haven't gone to E20 and I hope we don't I put an additive into my fuel I have 4, 5 gallon gas cans I fill up and put the additive stabilizer and injection cleaner in. I'm finding my motorcycles run a lot better but sometimes I have to fill up at the pump like on Saturday my 276 mile ride to Acadia National Park went to the top of Cadillac Mountain. Then back down to the furthest southern tip and had a really baked stuffed haddock stuffed with lobster when a seafood sauce. With fries on the side with a nice cold draft beer with blueberries in it that was tasty. Have fun on your rides stay safe.
A few days ago it took me 20 goes to start my petrol lawnmower, which has sat through the winter with E10 fuel. The previous year I used Shell V power, which is 5% ethanol, and the machine started far more easily. I almost always use V power or Esso super in my triumph, and my fiat 500. I always add fuel stabiliser to the bike's tank whennlaying it up for the wihter, and it starts first time every year.
Always interesting to listen to you Stuart. Thank you...
Here in Canada we have had ethanol-laced fuel for some years. Some people claim to be able to tell the difference but frankly, I cannot. I will admit that my vintage bikes (‘83 BMW R100RS and three 1970s Yamaha XS650s) all use premium (95 octane) and thus far, it does not contained ethanol - so, for the most part, it hasn’t affected me much.
I have a vintage motorcycle, built in 1930, and with the use of brass in the fuel system - pipes, float, jet block and jets - and possible other vulnerable components, I make a point of draining the fuel if I’m not going to use the bike for a prolonged period. However, I was interested to read in the 1935 edition of “Tuning for Speed” the recommendation that the bike be run on ethylised petrol in order to be able to raise the compression ratio in order to make a touring engine “a little more snappy “. There are no caveats regarding potential damage to components caused by ethanol.
I also remember Cleveland Discol fuel, (I passed my motorcycle test in 1966) which included ethanol. It was sold widely from the 1920s/30s until 1968. I don’t recall any problems arising from the use of this fuel. The 1928 Velocette catalogue recommended using compression ratios and fuels for their KSS model as follows: 1). For touring. Compression ratio 6 to 1:- ordinary petrol; 2). Factory specification. Compression ratio 7 to 1:- 50/50 petrol/Benzole; 3). High compression ratio 8.5 to 1:- Discol PMS 2, containing ethanol. Incidentally, the KSS at that time was guaranteed to do 80mph on the 7 to 1. Perhaps the problem lies with modern materials used in recent vehicles, and modern seals, etc., used in classic and vintage ones?
I noticed in the video that Stuart was filling up with e5 and yes this will still be available for some time hopefully. I also use the latest version of Castrol Valvemaster that prevents ethanol damage as even e5 can cause problems, ie plastic petrol tanks such as used on some Aprilia and Triumph motorcycles, the damage being blistering of the tank itself or simply swelling up and no longer fitting the bike properly. I have had fuel pipe issues on my Suzuki GS850 outfit and have switched to a car type petrol hose designed to be submerged in a fuel tank and so far so good. The latest incarnation of Castrol Valvemaster also contains an octane booster which works very well with super unleaded and may or may not help e10 users in the power loss department.
@@mikecartlidge5355 I don’t own a modern motorcycle. My 1930 machine is a Scott Flying Squirrel, and the fuel pipe, carburettor body and float are all brass. My main concern is that the petrol tank has been lined, probably some time during the past 25 years, and I don’t know what effect ethanol will have on the liner. It seems ok so far though.
@@neilfoddering921 Hi Neil you can now buy chemicals that will safely remove old liner if you do have a problem, you can then re line the tank with a liner that will handle e10.
I have had chronic carburetor problems on my small engine power equipment. I also had a rough time getting my wife's carbureted bike to start in spring. We now have injected bikes, and they are ok with our e10. I still fill them as is opportune with the no ethanol fuel available a county or 2 away. It stores better.
I found out about E10 the hard way.....last Spring I had to tear my carburetor apart three times to get every tiny bit of corroded rubber out.....then replace the fuel line...fortunately premium fuel here (Canadian Prairies) is ethanol free...but I am sure they will eventually meddle with it as well.
In Brazil we are at 25%~40% ethanol already - our fuel sucks (and we pay a lot for it). Old bikes and cars struggle due to the carburator as the ethanol damages it.
I live in France and bought a new interceptor last year, on the petrol tank was a sticker stating "use only E5 or E10 fuel" so if you have an interceptor or continental GT your fine
I inadvertently filled up the Interceptor with E10 earlier in the week, but it does have the E10 sticker on the tank so I know it's not a major issue. I think I'll do what you suggest though and fill up with Super before the winter as I'll be using it less frequently then of course. I'll also definitely be putting E5 Super in my 1984 Suzuki GP100 from now on and in my Hayter petrol lawn mower. It might even make me mow the lawn faster.....
With regard to EV's - I think they're going to become the new Diesels, you know, the super clean diesels that we were encouraged to buy instead of the horrid petrol cars until everyone had one and then the government decided they weren't that clean after all and then we were all told to buy the cleaner petrol cars.
Formula One are currently trialling and developing fuel for Internal Combustion Engines that is "bio-waste" fuel, so properly carbon neutral as it's made from bio "waste" (therefore apparently cleaning up the world as it goes). I honestly believe that as soon as everyone has an EV, we'll all be told that we should be buying the new generation of Internal Combustion Engines that are much better for the environment because they run on a new 100% renewable "bio Waste" fuel. And then they'll offer scrappage schemes for our EV's so we go and buy the new vehicles instead. Keeps the money rolling in.......
Gp100 😯👍👍
In Sweden we have a scrappage program for "complete cars with an original catalyst", they'll offer you anywhere from 3000 to 10000 SEK (~320-1100 dollars) for them. "Complete cars". In other words some rusted thing with little value wont do but a thing that is roadworthy or easily fixable on the other hand they'll take.
Every scrapyard i've been to will under no circumstance sell me any parts or the cars in question.
Idiots leave their cars in there to be scrapped along with the parts they contain while probably being stupid enough to realize that the money they get is their own taxes or is freshly printed i.e government created inflation money.
As a car guy i hate this for many reasons but enviromentally too, the resource use is insane.
the 2023 Sinnis Hoodlum Euro 5 requires 92 octane fuel (source: user manual page 3). The short version: it will run on E10 but my dealer recommends I fill up with E5 if and when available *to reduce the potential for engine damage*.
E10 has been a staple fuel here in the USA for a number of years. I personally have no fuel-related problems either with my motorcycles or 4 wheeled vehicles.
Perhaps the fuel mileage has dropped from the time we had gasoline (Petrol) without the alcohol, but it has been so long now that no one pays any attention.
Genuine question, because England tends to have a damp climate most of the year and ethanol absorbs water is it possible that although I've seen a lot of comments from people in the states saying that they've not had any problems with E10 it could be problematic here (uk)?
@@sambrooks7862 I live in Florida where it is humid and if you let E10 sit for 2-3 months in a can or tank it will degrade and absorb moisture. Stabil additive works to keep the fuel from separating.
@@jamesharvey44 thanks James, I've been using a stabiliser since E5 was introduced in England some years back and at the moment a lot of places still sell E5 (super unleaded) so I'll keep using E5 for as long as it's still available. Thanks again. 👍
I live around Kansas City, Missouri in the US, and being in the middle of corn country, we have lots of E-10 and even E-85. E-85 is STRICTLY for E-85 vehicles only, however. Most all vehicles, including motocycles, use E-10 and you have to search to find non-ethanol fuel. In my opinion, E-10 works just fine as a day to day fuel. The only thing is is that it will go bad quickly (months) if not used, and usually faster in smaller quantities, a few gallons. It can be stored a bit longer, but it definitely needs fuel stabilizer added to it for best results. I have a vehicle from every decade from the 30's to the 2000's and they all work fine on E-10.
@@craiglicata I support the farmers no matter what their products are used for. The farmers grow corn and sell it for the highest price. After that, who ever buys it can, and do what ever they want with it.
I don't like E-10 myself, but I do use it in my daily driver because it's more readily available, and it works just fine. I do use non ethanol in my bikes, yard equipment and a lot of my cars because they don't get driven everyday and to avoid fuel sys problems from leaving ethanol sitting for long periods of time. It's all about how it's being used.
@@JetScreamer24 You and I are subsidizing those "farmers" to grow that corn. No skin off my nose if they sell it to a distiller or a feedlot. I have a real issue with paying them to do it. And lets not kid ourselves about "farmers" tilling the land on the old IH Farmall.Get big or get out killed that and the farm debt crisis killed them in the 80s. Those that are left are corporate growers.
Also did you hear that Bill Gates has a green thumb? Seems he bought a lot of land recently.
@@gregsmith5695 If you think that all farms today are corporate farms, then you aren't a farmer and don't know anything about farming. Where I'm from, I don't know of any corporate farms in our county or adjacent ones. These are family farms. They aren't the 200 or 300 acre farms of the 80's. They are farmers that farm a few thousand acres, on owned and/or rented land. They became big because they were small in the 80's and weren't the ones that went into debt and disappeared. They smartly grew over the years, and no, they don't farm with 60 - 70 year old tractors.
With that being said, there are a lot of corporate farms in my state as in other states. I am not for subsidies for any corporate farms, because between them and the AG companies, they dictate prices to the cost of farming as well as crop prices. The only subsidies should be for the family farms to help level the playing field. Can't fight the corporate farms cause they have the politicians in their pockets, both sides! And the billionaires will do whatever they want with their money, because they can. Farmers can't fight that either!
Now. None of this has anything to do with how a Royal Enfield runs on E-10, but I didn't take this conversation in this direction.
Stuart, industrial hemp breathes in more C02 than trees. It is a closed cycle when growing it for fuel. The C02 created by combusting hemp ethanol would be re-absorbed by the next hemp crop, so we would stop increasing the atmospheric levels.
'Global emissions' is definitely an industry. Very informative video.
Yes, there was so much money in it even members of a Royal family got involved it the manufacture and installation of those bloody awful blots on the landscape---Wind Turbines!!. Giant windmills that spend most of there time not rotating or after a short time have suffered catastrophic failure.. We are being conned....!
Seriously, I think nuclear is the future but it’s a very “scary” tech.
@@TerraPosse You would say that wouldn't you. I don't expect any other response from a treehugger....I live in a part of Spain where thousands of those damn things are now blotting a once beautiful landscape..You will be happy, I'm sure, to hear that I come from the generation ( Baby Boomer) you believe ruined the Planet.... Ha, Ha!
@@TerraPosseI thought you would resort to insults ....thats all you've got left...thats all you ever have left..
@@TerraPosse ....Your name ...EarthGroup ..tells us everything we need to know about you and you agenda...Bye..
The technical specifications in my RE 650 manual say that up to E10 can be used. I'm in Thailand and have only ever put 95 in it so I can't comment on power or cost differences.
I have a 1954 In-line six carbureted car with 160 degree Fahrenheit thermostat. At 40 Fahrenheit ambient temp, underhood temp near the carburetor is hot enough to boil non-alcohol gas in the glass fuel filter bowl. All modern fuels have boiling problems in this circumstance.
As a biker I'm so looking forward to having to stop more and more often to fuel up...
And it costing more and more...
And having to suck the fuel out of my whole fuel system over the winter just in case it causes rust/corrosion...
Or getting an electric bike and needing to stop for hours to 're-fuel'...
And getting stuck because when you got low on power the next several chargers you visited were broken or had someone on them spending hours to charge...
And effectively having half the already short range and double the already frequent re-charges because you can't rely on the infrastructure...
USA based subscriber here.
Tracking my fuel economy for over 20 years across a number of vehicles shows that the mpg's decrease almost exactly equal to the amount of ethanol blended into the gasoline; so, E10 gave me about 10% degradation in my fuel economy, E15 gives me about 15%, etc.
All of my carbureted small engines suffer greatly from ethanol and eventually they rot from the inside out. It starts with the carburetors themselves where the ethanol seems to destroy the alloys either from the alcohol attacking them or the water extracted from the air doing so. Eventually, the needles, needle seats, etc. all succumb and a complete replacement is necessary. The alcohol is particularly destructive to the plastics in the fuel components such as the gas tanks, the seals around the fuel line intrusions, and the fuel lines themselves. Replacing the fuel lines with ethanol compatible ones is fairly straight-forward; however, replacing the seals and the gas tanks themselves is often unpossible. I have three lawn trimmers and a rotary mower sitting in my shed at this very moment awaiting burial for this very reason.
Adding food (alcohol) to our gasoline is a horrible, no good, very bad idea and makes no sense from either an environmental or an economic perspective. Environmentally, it requires more water, petroleum products (i.e. fertilizers), and arable land to produce the ethanol than it does to produce the gasoline replaced. Economically, it raises the cost per mile above using gasoline to travel the same distance. It's an especially bad economic decision once you factor in the replacement costs of the current generation of engines that are running just fine today.
Hi Stuart. Thanks again for a comprehensive and pragmatic presentation on a vexing issue. Most of us should be safe with our current vehicles, but I take your points on worldwide population dynamics, the future of water resources and the constant burden on the under dog. Perhaps many will resort to electric cycles, walking or horse and cart again!
Governments will do what they do and we have to remember it was we who put them there. I shudder to think of the admnistrative inadequacies when electtic is the norm (availability of charging resources, limited range), quite similar to the existing situation vis a vis CNG vehicle (like in countries like India).
Regarding Covid related frustrations, I couldn't agree with you more. Being a physician working in that field in India, population, civic sense and administrative systems drive us bats! And the third wave should peak here by October! Time to head for the hills?
By the way, thats a most elegant pair of brown gloves you had on. I imagine it feels even better. I remember you gave a description in an earlier video, but my dementing memory banks just suffered a skid🤣🤣🤣. Heres wishing you a good R&R session. I will of course check in on friday for your next elevating report. Bye. Shashi.
EVs , with the way KSEB bills have been going lately... I shudder at the thought 😀
What a wonderful honest government we seem to have . An indication of their character.
Very interesting information, thanking you with regards 🙏
I have a 1995 carbureted motorcycle that was in storage for 20 years. It was stored full of non-alcohol gas, Twice during that time the fuel in the tank was drained and refilled with non-alcohol gas. The tank is not rusty and I have no fuel problems.
That lilting music in the beginning too was very nice
Here in the USA we have already seen farming shift from food grade to industrial grade to grab the govt subsidies and impacting the commodities market. It has long been proven that E-fuel impacts almost all small engines negatively, dramatically shorten the lifespan and does in fact cost more and encourage higher taxation IF there is a reported savings at the pump. I only run Super Grade in my bikes-all fuel injected. I winter store my bikes with E-free race fuel at considerable expense, and I also run my small engine lawn engines on E-free 'canned' fuel. The total cost of my efforts and equipment repair or replacement over the years has this planet-saving E-fuel BS upside down. The best way to save the planet is to vote out these gas-bag politicians...;-)
We have E10 and E85 here in the states. I thought only we had it because of the corn lobby. It drove up the price of corn based food. Honestly I have not had any serious issues with the fuel but you do lose some fuel mileage with it. Most small engine powered products ie: snowblowers, power washers, lawn mowers don't recommend anything above E10. Any classic car or biker needs to change fuel hoses to a ethanol resistant hose or it will eat them up as well as carburetor parts any gaskets or accelerator pumps.
The E85 would actually be E100 but the 15% gasoline is there because it was feared we stupid proles might take to drinking it instead of paying for nice heavily taxed and bonded liquor.
Great you've covered this prominent topic. My interceptor has both an e5 and e10 sticker on the fuel tank. I use supreme in all my bikes and an 05 plate car at the mo. I will also experiment removing ethanol with water, there are a number of vlogs on this, and add an octane boost to the ethanol removed fuel. A bit of a faff but only way in the longer term we will be able to keep our classic vehicles on the road🙄
What year is your interceptor ? mines 2020 and i cant seem to find any info in the user manual
@@Kamarov2090 mine is may 2020 Baker Express and the stickers are on my tank above the filler cap towards the headstock. Use high octane petrol cause that is a max 5% ethanol so far.
Excellent (and, to me, timely) installment here, Stuart. As a Yank, here's the most info I can offer (sorry if it's bit scattershot):
- Depending on the part of the States one lives in (or travels through), while E10 has been pretty much a standard for a while, you'll find everything from E10 to E85(!) available, the latter presumably for use in vehicles designated as "FlexFuel." (You likely know this, ut I'm just putting it out here.)
- There's been recent controversy here as to the short- and mid-term storage efficacy of E10, with some stating that the stated issues regarding separation and the attendant issues with corrosion and the like are overblown (at least in terms of modern vehicles), while others maintain that there are problems. I remain agnostic on the issue.
- You comment regarding Piaggio was an eye-opener: My 2015 Vespa GTS300 Super officially runs on E10 Premium ("Super" on that side of the Atlantic, US93 octane), although the manual, as well as the sticker next to the gas cap states *not* to fill the tank with anything with higher Ethanol content than E10. I hazard a guess than anything else Piaggio imports here, from Piaggio's own brand of scooters to Moto-Guzzi (funny, I thought y'all pronounced it "Moto-GUTSY" over there, and that *we* were "doing it wrong"), to Aprilia, should all be on-board with E10.
- There's been some talk about introducing E15 nationwide as the "new" standard, but I predict that will go over like the proverbial lead balloon here, largely due to politics (what else?) along with the fact that it took forever-and-a-day to get E10 across the board. Personally, I'm okay with that, since while I'm anything *but* a climate-denier, I strongly doubt further tinkering with Ethanol is going to help much on the c02 front. (Nor, IMO, is simply "going electric", but that's another argument for another time.)
- I had no idea there even *was* a thing like E5/E7: I presumed (ignorantly), that E10 was more-or-less an international thing. Consider my chastened.
- As far as E10 versus straight gasoline/petrol, I don't have much of a reference: my GTS is my first road machine, bought new in late 2015, my first moto since riding dirt bikes some four decades previous, and E10 is the only go-juice I've ever known. In addition, since I deviate from the 'Murican norm and use my ride for basic transportation rather than just a weekend/warm-weather toy, I ride pretty much year-round, pausing only for heavy snow/ice conditions, meaning the bike is idle for a few weeks rather than months, so "stale" fuel in the tank has never been a problem. For my lawn mower, it's a different story, which is why I retired the gas mower for an electric version a few months back. (One area where electric makes *absolute* sense.)
- I believe the E10 issue is largely going to have an effect on owners of older vehicles, which, paradoxically, effects two opposite ends of the economic scale, both Over Here and Over There: folks who can't afford newer/more-economical vehicles (over here, they drive ten-year-old giant SUVs like Ford Expeditions, Chevy TrailBlazers and Dodge Durangos, with MPG ratings approaching the single-digits), and the more-well-heeled and their high-octane vintage rides. The funny thing is that *my* ride uses Premium as well (explains why my 300cc ride can keep up with fast highway traffic), so I grok the concern here.
Great stuff here, Stuart, as usual.
Dad has a 2005 moto guzzi griso 1100, and 2003 lemans 1100. Here in California we have had e10/e15 only station for a decade or more. Both "aren't compatible" but have been doing fine. The main issue with guzzi in that era is the plastic tanks. Causes paint to bubble on the lemans, griso has been fine.
Pretty sure my 80's guzzi's aren't e10/e15 friendly but I run it anyways. Just need to richen up the fuel mixture and go.
I have first hand seen old fuel/ethanol damage it's annoying but that's the price we pay now.
Totally agree with your view and opinion on climate change, pollution of the earth, population, etc. I would go further but in order to avoid the severe backlash, I will just say that the real problem IS the world population, fix that and the rest just naturally follows, but of course we may have already buggered everything up, just my opinion of course🤔
My local Tesco in Suffolk has had E10 for a while. Yesterday, I wanted to buy some petrol for my lawnmower and some more for my 2 stroke tools. I decided to buy E5 which is available there but at 140.9 p/l. So overnight the cost of E5 petrol has jumped up significantly, its a good job that my tools don't use much.
It will be interesting to see if E10 has any effect on my bikes. The 2013 Sportster should be OK but I am slightly concerned for my 1981 Honda CX 500 and if I ever get it recommissioned my 1954 BSA A10.
So, if I had a vehicle that was incompatible with E10 all I would have to do is travel 65 miles to my nearest petrol station that stocks Super Unleaded.... Makes sense to the enviromental town-dwellers I suppose.
On a positive note, I am now definitely now old enough to officially join the Old Farts Club as my first thought on hearing about E10 was "will the lawnmower run on it" (and I f@cking hate cutting the bloody grass).
Stuart, many thanks for this explanation. I saw a headline about the 'new' fuel and 'Your vehicle might not be compatible' but it's really difficult to actually get any detailed info. And yes, there are too many people .......
Fuel stabilizers barely work or do not work with ethanol blended gasolines. Mowers, snow blowers, string trimmers, chainsaws etc will have problems. They will run ok but the problem comes from the intermittent use and storage. Use no-alcohol or completely drain when not in use.
Just watched a video on Harry's garage channel he's talking to lord Bamford at JCB
HYDROGEN is the way forward for heavy plant machines and HGVS
He says the world leaders and politicians have been obsessed with Elon Musk and the electric obsession.
yep I watched it, very interesting
I saw that vid, great and well presented, made me think hydrogen is the way forward, although there is no real evidence fossil fuels are causing a problem, read a book, "unsettled" by Steven koonan
@@TerraPosse battery power is not the solution for commercial use these vehicles have no down time for recharging and the batteries will weigh up to 6000 kgs
Spot on Stuart. No Ministry of Common Sense in Whitehall yet as far as I Know.
agree completely, all the worlds problems all stem from the same issue, to many people, simple as that, if we all had just one child for two generations problem solved, p.s. has anyone seen the 80's film "Logans Run" problem solved
Thanks for heads up Stuart, I live in Gibraltar and am intending to bring a 1982 650 Honda Nighthawk out here, it was my regular ride back in uk, originally sold in the US it was brought over to UK some years ago by a previous owner, anyway, I'll have to see what we are using out here and if a bike of that era would be ok on E10, I'll update you when I've made a trip to the petrol stn.
Great peice, I had no idea what the different fuel types related to.
Hi Stuart, I can confirm that in Gibraltar we are still on E5, i'll check what is on offer in Spain and see if there is anything different in case we have anyone heading down this way.
I live in the top corn producing state in the US. We are the top alcohol producing state. We produce 25% of the ethanol in the US. There are 14 alcohol plants here and 9 more planned. Half of our corn production goes to ethanol. Corn producers are very politically active and powerful here. Corn is a very, very big deal in my state.
Great info ..enjoy the break
10% ethanol gas was first available in my state in June 1978. Many cars that made the switch to ethanol blend at the time experienced several plugged fuel filters initially.
If you have a modern fuel injected daily driven car (with knock sensors, VVT, closed loop ECU, etc) and you use E10 or E15 from the outset, your car will run very well, burn clean and have no fuel related problems.
No idea ethanol in my petrol but I have been having problems with my 2005 pulsar last year. My 2013 FZ no problem to date. Water in tank and carburettor problems.
Some petrol companies in eu don't add ethanol to the 98 octane Premium fuels. BP ultimate 102, Esso synergy suprême and Shell v-Power. Storage for fuels. 6 months for ethanol fuel, 1 year for normal fuel, 3 years for alkylate fuels. Problems with ethanol fuels. Rust in metal fueltanks and also the need to clean the carburator if the bike or lawnmower is sitting unused for a while.
E10 is supposed to help with our co2 pollution issues,,, although it, apparently, creates as much co2 pollution during the manufacturing process
Was just about to comment about CCM's current stance on e10 then you said exactly what I was about to say, I always use premium e5 in my Scrambler anyway. Very informative as usual Stuart, thank you 👍
I have a vintage camper and I'm yet to upgrade the fuel lines so I guess I have a bit of spending to do.
You have my condolences, Be prepared for a lot of engine trouble with older equipment.
Don't forget sugar beet. British Sugar has had a large ethanol producing plant at Wissington Norfolk for some years now. Green Energy Plc tankers are regularly seen filling up with ethanol there
In the US, I’ve had mixed results with ethanol in my bikes. I’m fortunate to live near the coast where a lot of boaters can’t run ethanol, so a lot of local stations have ethanol free unleaded (90 octane) for 20-30 cents higher per gallon than the rest. I always fill my 84 BMW K100 with the ethanol free and the rest get premium with ethanol. When the change happened here some years ago, the ethanol mix wreaked havoc on older equipment…not so much in the actual combustion, but the rubber and plastic lines, gaskets, and pumps couldn’t withstand it.
in brazil we have been running variations from 20% to 27% alcohol on petrol for about 20 years, all vehicles produced or designed outside country must to be "tropicalized". RE handle easily with this fuel but it can lead to pre-detonation in specific situations.
I think that producing the volume of alcohol needed for this new markets will create a problem bigger than burning gasoline
It's the absolute truth again Stuart. Ecologists in Germany have said if we go to zero emissions now it's too late following the floods. The Amazon rainforest already puts out more Carbon than what it absorbs.
I thaught this was meant to be the lungs of the planet. Sugar cane and corn =ethenol. Sugar cane farmers in Australia can use over $30k of diesel a month!
Do any of our American friends know if old Briggs and Stratton lawnmowers are E10 compatible? It seems a bit over the top to run it on super unleaded.
I should have also added to my comments that the plastic fuel level float of my 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet completely dissolved in E10 to the point where there was nothing left but the bare wires of the float sensor left in the tank after about 4 years. I have no idea where the dissolved plastic went other than it must have gone through the bike's FI system and was burned in the engine along with the E10. Fortunately, the replacement fuel level float hasn't dissipated yet and is still working after 6 years. So maybe RE has changed the float's plastic formula since 2011 to be more resistant to E10.
Have you been using E10 in your triumphs yourself Stuart? The manual of my 2019 ST states it can take E5 and E10. I wonder why i should not use E10?
I stick to E5 in al my vehicles
Very informative Stuart, I bet the fuel for private jets isn’t getting any ethanol in it 🤔 and then again I thought diesel was the enemy 🤔
Jets dont run on alcohol so you are correct in that assumption, there are however a number of synthetic fuels and even some biofuels that are rated in some cases to be mixed in jet fuel up to 50%
Jets can run on any liquid that burns. They run best on diesel, but that turns to wax at high altitude temperatures so they run on aviation kerosene which is between paraffin and gasoline really.
@@simonwatts8338 While they can run on many fuels it does not mean that they are allowed to, in aviation they are only allowed to run on fuels that meet exacting specifications for safety and economic reasons (wear may accelerate). Actually fighter jets require even more specific additives than civilian applications to run safely.
In really cold applications, think Antarctic, specifically formulated jet fuel is used with even better low temperature properties than normal commercial Jet-A1 fuel, no Ethanol added though.
Excellent report Stu, hit the nail on the head again! Hope you enjoy your break, I wish you hadn't mentioned pork pies though, now, where's that jar of pickle?
Hello Mr. Fillingham, congrats on 100K+ views on your Meteor 350 review. Thank you for your previous vid featuring the original Interceptor. Looking forward to your shop tour of Hitchcock's. Even though I live in the US Hitchcock's is my go to for my INT 650 and will be for the Fireball Yellow Meteor when it arrives. My only problem with E10 fuel has been with small engines made in China especially those with diaphragm type carbs. Enjoy your break Sir!
Thanks for the video.
I approached Royal Enfield two weeks ago after buying a new Classic 500. My bike does have E5 and E10 stickers on the tank. They said my bike would be fine with E10.
However I think I'll move to E5 Super Unleaded when E10 kicks in just to be safe.
I live in the US and we have had E10 for a while, E10 for the most part works okay but you do lose around 5% performance and milage. On the 2003 Bullet 500 I had, it ate the carb mounting rubber and I had to change it over to a newer compound rubber. If you own classic 70's and older bikes you may have to change "O" rings to Viton/Nitrile or get modern rebuild kits for your carbs. And old fiberglass fuel tanks fail quite spectacularly turning into a slimy goo before clogging your jets. If you store your bike during the winter, pull and drain the tank as even stabilized E10 will collect moisture and rot out seams over time. I don't see E20 being any better but we do have E15 and very few vehicles can use it.
... in my current Car ( Opel Signum ) I never used it yet ( it is not allowed for the engine to be used as it is destroying the rubber seals.) That said I am not really sure if it is safe to use it in my Honda NTV.... Beside this I experienced reduced power and range when using it, so I do not use it.
my bikes all of them suzuki savage,triumph america,and now my triumph bobber they All love the shell v-power 98+.
E10 petrol been in use in the states for years because the alcohol used to cut the gas is cheap. E-10 used quickly isn't a problem, E-10 that sits needs a stabilizer or it starts pulling water into the gas and creates problem. E-10 to E-20 switch is a problem here because older vehicles can't run that high of a cut of Ethanol without issues, E-15 & E-20 will destroy rubber fuel lines and gaskets, along with out of range for most ECM fuel management or carburetor systems without modification, and can cause severe engine damage frome that and lean burning unless addressed.
Ideally you shouldn't store it even with E5 for long periods of time as it can cause rust etc inside the tank... Either drain the tank or separate the ethanol out of your fuel by putting it in a container with a tap, adding water and with a good shaking and leaving it to settle you'll get 3 layers... Fuel, ethanol and water. You can use the tap to drain out the bottom layer and it should be all petrol.
"Where is all the electricity going to come from" Exactly! Also, i wonder if motorway service stations will have to be enlarged to accommodate the thousands of extra "recharge stops"
Let's not forget about the pumps, heating, lighting, air conditioning, an other mechanical components used in the process.
@@ChIGuY-town22_ Yes there must be thousands of things that haven't been taken into consideration.
I believe that the Donnington produced Norton 961 Commando’s and most Dominators are not compatible with E10 petrol as they have plastic petrol tanks.
Just got on my bike this morning and noticed a E5/,E10 the tank. Funny never noticed it before.2020 Royal Enfield Interceptor, so I'm assuming I'm ok to use E10
Perfect summing up of the world’s government’s attitudes to pollution and population growth. I don’t have kids but unfortunately Boris has negated any benefits of that plan!
A brilliant and informative video. Many thanks, Stuart. Enjoy your break.
Always a great video could you please tell what is the best fuel for the R E Hunter 350 .
I use E5.
Very informative video.
No doubt there are/will be fuel additives like Redex to compensate, but that's only feasible for classic vehicles that aren't doing big mileage. I used to add Castrol high-octane fuel additive to a BSA 650 that I owned over ten years ago. The previous owner said he got petrol from a local flying club that had 5-star aviation fuel, which cost (at the time) about the same as unleaded with the Castrol additive.
All modern fuels have higher Reid Vapor Pressure than fuels back in the day. Reid Vapor Pressure is higher in winter blends and lower in summer blends. All modern fuels can be troublesome for cars with carbs that do not have pressurized fuel supply lines and recirculation like fuel injected cars have. Alcohol blended fuels get a Reid Vapor Pressure waiver that allows them to be 1 point higher. Cars with "vapor lock" problems, have them because of the modern fuels and they will have them with ethanol blends.
Im in the U.S.. in 2016 I picked up a Ford truck. As it was equiped with FLEX-FUEL, meaning it could run on E-85. I did a test, very small scale. I used every available fuel type offered at my local station for a week of my normal driving. I then broke it down in cost per mile over that week. Unfortunatley my notes havent survived. Maybe ill do it again. But between E-85 105oct, E-10 89oct, Regular 87oct, Mid 89oct , and Super 91oct. The winner was the Mid 89oct followed very close on by Super 91oct. The mid, regular, and super are all 100% gas at my local station. I have since only put the Super in everything. Wish I could have found the numbers and math. But it was all 'napkin ' work and not scientific.
Typically you need a price difference of at least 20% to make up for the mileage reduction when running on E85 but it also depends on how well the engine and fuel injection is adapted which varies a lot between makes and models
Piaggio say that the Vespa GTS 300 is E5 & E10 compatible. I know this because I’ve just bought a new 300 and it has stickers by the filler cap to say so.
I love your videos sir. I am planning to buy a Royal Enfield now. Although it has became a quite common bike here in India. Every third person has a RE.
Actually the performance improves, as ethanol has higher octanes than petrol. But the milage gets worse. 100% Ethanol has 30% less milage than e27 petrol (it's what we have in brazil to compare) but usually you get 2 hp by fueling with 100% ethanol (you can get more with higher compression rates)
And yes it is difficult to start a cold (16°C or bellow) engine. Manufacturers used to implement petrol assisted start, but nowadays it heats the injector prior.