'The Boys' Comic Was Kinda Terrible | Nux Reacts
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- The Boys season 4 is happening and the internet is at war arguing about things that i don't care about. you know what i do care about? MORE HOMELANDER BABYYYYY MR AMERICA LETS GOOOOO MAN'S THE GOAT FRFR today we're doing a quick catch up on why this man is one of the greatest written villains of all time... go watch 'The Boys' Comic Was Kinda Terrible by PointlessHub: • 'The Boys' Comic Was K...
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I will forever find it funny that the author thinks comics are too childish but then makes a comic that would be the idea of a child going through an edgy phase
Modern Era of Humans (based off of superficiality) really need to stop utilizing abstractions, that's made to nitpick & appeal to stone (fallacy) of how a certain piece of medium compromises a higher set of perceived standards, that gets determined in its absolute form of truth, to what it should & shouldn't be as; such as how 'edgy' is just an arbitrary 'form of criticism' to which it connotates to a lack thereof 'media literacy' or just lack of independent critical/analytical thinking & an outlook onto different perspectives; all this does is further exemplify an indoctrinated polarization, that's based off of the cognitive perception of individuals, within groups & manifests itself through, or into a social contagion to polarize against any form of 'subject' that is against those set of standards...
Author, "Comics are childish!" Makes a comic that reads like every edgelord fanfic from middle school...
Irony.
@@Alondro77 i think you're projecting... also, where's the context of Ennis supposedly stating that..?
there is none , these people took what a video essayst with verifiable lies as truth @@godzillazfriction
@@Alondro77lmao
Homelander in the show: nihilist turned psycho
Homelander in the comics: psycho turned nihilist
Not really, in the comics he was just an asshole driven to insanity
I would like to point out that in the comic when the plane inccident happen, he tried multiple time to save it before it crash, where in the show he gave up after one attempt. So probably at one point he did care about trying to do a good job before he basically gave up.
@@Underworlddreamyeah, comic homelander was an abusive narcissist (see his relationship with Soldier Boy), but he did actually try to be more of a hero when the money was watching. His job was to be a hero and he was good at his job.
Black Noir had to expend some serious effort to get him to go crazy.
Although, having the failsafe to your unkillable superman be a clone of your unkillable superman was always a pretty dumb idea...
@@SymbioteMullet which yeah ofcourse the billion dollar company only caring for profit, creates a counter intutive creature because they're so hhyperfocused on one thing, they're arrogant to anything else.
thats another one of the main points of the series, since Blacknaur is more an creature than Homalander is a main point, the reason he could even horrify him is because Homelander as a person is patethic, he tried to be surperios yet he couldn't remove the very humanity he had in him so he coped by gaslighting himself.
@@alexcat6685 nah that just sounds like a cop out excuse. "blah blah blah billion dollar company they're so dumb amirite?" no. it's just bad writing and i'm not playing into it at all the only thing that's dumb is the person who wrote it
I don't think power defines a man, a man defines power by what they do with it, which is why Superman works; humility training in Smallville to prevent Superman from going the Homelander route.
Sadly Nux doesn't like superman for the same reason, and I think he's so wrong, but again, everyone has the rights to have a bad take or two
Exactly, the idea that a person that is on level of power that no one else could compete with would automatically be evil is just plain wrong, even The Boys play off of this by making sure the audience knows that Homelander was messed with his whole childhood in every way you could think of.
We aren't solely products of our environment but our environment can help set the ground work for who and what we end up as in life, for better or worse.
@@lykaios8336shame to but it is what it is ig
Exactly, it’s what makes Superman endearing, it’s the fact yeah he has all that power but he helps becuz he wants to becuz he was morally raised to do the right thing by the kents
Power doesn't corrupt people, but corrupt people seek out power. Someone who was born with their power, or has it thrust upon them can be good.
The Boys is made by someone who hates superheroes and Invincible is made by someone who loves them. I love both shows, and it is interesting to look at the shows with that in mind
what a strawmanned, indoctrinated polarization, that you have as part of your cognitive perception...
@@godzillazfriction ???
@@CatsLilaSalem yep... that's all you can do... ??? mark away.
@@godzillazfrictionmy dear boy, what in the fuck? No, like actually what the fuck do you mean? Also using big words doesn't make you smart. You're in every reply section and are losing every arguement.
@@godzillazfriction Why is it a strawman?
Garth Ennis openly hates super heroes. There's no denying that.
Comic Black Noir was made by the government as a potential countermeasure for Homelander, but when Homelander didn't actually go off the reservation Noir went a bit crazy and gaslit Homelander into going crazy.
WHICH IS STUPID .
@@thecomradewarda I see you like Homelander being a rapist than a crazy dude who overthrows the government 😂
Wow... Just wow... Just bad.
....wait so he made Himelander snap just so he can do his job as the failsafe?
He didn't go a bit crazy, bro ate children, r-worded butcher's wife, and framed homelander for it
Bro hated superheroes so much that he made his own superheroes to kill all the superheroes and then kill themselves
Hughie was the sole survivor of the boys. Plus pointless hub didn't mention some stuff, like how Butcher went on a killing spree eliminating Supes and how he killed Mothers Milk, Kimiko and Frenchie so that they wouldn't get in his way in releasing the virus that would eliminate all supes, then manipulating Hughie into killing him so he could finally be stopped.
He claims to be lord nux-lore and will consume all obscure and surprising lore but he hasn’t reacted to Splatoon lore yet
true.
He claims he will dive deep into any obscure lore and that he's chaotic, yet no Xavier Renegade Angel reaction. Smh he gotta catch up
@@tananatana4011 XRA is simply too peak. He wouldn't be able to handle it
And Ben 10 :/
Ikr? He hasn’t even done a deep dive into the Suggsverse smh
Crazy how we’re now at the stage where people are getting tired of superhero parodies that came about because people were getting tired of superheroes.
Can't remember the villains name, think it's Sauron or something, pterodactyl guy, gets called out by Spiderman that he could cure cancer. His rebuttal? "But I don't want to cure cancer, I want to turn people into dinosaurs!"
Tek Knight in the comics was actually good he was hero suffering from brain cancer which made him horny 24/7 and he sent away his underaged sidekick because he almost did something with him and later died saving someone and in his head he died thinking he saved the world also it's sad Love Sausage never became an ally to The Boys
Wow that's crazy how they did him in the show then. 😮
I mean.. in show he also get so dark because of tumor in his head.. in Generation V he was pretty normal.. well for most part buut I guess tumor progression get a little worse than it was aaand we had him in season 4
"Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely"
Is so tired and kinda cringe, makes it sound like everyone is actually an evil monster for some reason
"Absolute Power REVEALS Absolutely"
Feels better, more optimistic, doesnt make it sound like you would become an asshole if you yourself were given great power. It still means that power can corrupt but doesnt mean that power just makes everyone a Hitler
Then I'm sorry to tell you the outcome for anyone and everyone will be the same absolutely
It’s funny because that’s what evil Superman said to good Superman in Justice league unlimited
“Power corrupts after all, and who has more power than Superman”
Superman rebukes it but I forget what he says
@@jacobmc9738 It's silly to say that everyone lives the same lifes. Let alone say that everyone is evil if given the opportunity.
@sophiadebar382 the problem is that Superman is an idealization of the perfect person. In real life, no one is beyond corruption.
5:19-6:13
I mean you look at humanity abilities at AVARAGE and tell me that shit isn't scary, we all have power to commit anything we just aren't god level, we are powerful yet most of the time people choose to use it for good, for the betterment of eachother or just interact with other people.
Humanity is one perfect example on how power doesn't corrupt, it reveals, Animals have a similar distinction it's why they have both evil and good traits, they vary in personalities and how much they care.
Yeah the comic were just Garth Ennis screaming 'I hate superheroes' for 72 issues.
Not really , the story is decent and the charactera are well done too , the worldbuilding is also pretty decent , it jsut has pacing issues in the end and some times an ecces of gore , but not different than the show in that regard
@@spinosaurusstriker No, no, and no.
Imagine if someone made a manga about how much they hate anime and manga
@@Rnzzy why
@Rnzzy That’s complete and utter bullshit.
Garth Ennis is a good writer. But the man loves writing 3 things: The Vietnam War, making superheroes into goobers, and World War 2. He really likes war stories and the military. That probably puts the finale of The Boys' comic into perspective.
yup
Kinda Ironic he is treating the military the way he hates how people treat superhero's. Putting them on a pedestal acting like they are the best thing ever.
@@paladinboyd1228 yup that’s right
Comic book black noir really said “It was me, Barry.”
😂😆🤣
Translucent’s death is an example of that one Alfred Hitchcock quote about the bomb. You’re shown and told that Homelander has super-hearing so he’d hear the explosion and end the show prematurely. That tension and the display of the powers of the Seven and what they can do is excellent at tension.
Oh yes homelander would pick on this one sound between the tens of thousands going on in the city. And homelander can only hear or smell good when he's focusing, That many sounds would make a person go crazy
@@Walthu_99.5 I mean He's actively looking for Translucent it on that moment
Homelander wasn't evil Superman, Noir was. The point of comic homelander was to show how boring it would be for a regular guy to have Superman's powers. He wasn't truly evil, but he was a narcissistic douche. He basically gaslighted himself into becoming evil because he thought his true "godlike" self was leaking out. Noir was created to be the countermeasure for homelander going evil, but he never did... so Noir did shit himself so he could finally merc and replace homelander.
Also, the comic didn't end with homelander and his coup because butcher was the big bad.
Edit: Basically Homelander was never special. He still felt somewhat ordinary and human despite being raised to see himself as a god. Even with his heel turn, he couldn't reach the same level of depravity his clone did. He was just human, and he knew it. He wasn't the god he was raised to believe but just another human. All in all, a pretty cool subversion of the evil Superman trope.
Well part of what drove Homelander crazy was he thought he was blacking out and doing what Noir was doing, because Noir was sending pictures of all his depraved actions to Homelander.
Homelander, partially scared of the consequences if his unforgiveable actions ever came out attempted the coup to avoid retribution for Noir's crimes, thinking he had already done so much that was unforgiveable.
The guy whose doing the video Nux is reacting to really presented the ending disingenuously.
Homelander still r*ped starlight and killed a family of 4 he is very much still evil
@TheLikenessOfNormal right... I read the comics a while ago. I was more interested in the trope subversion stuff, so it was focused more on my reading of the Stillwell scene and the noir reveal. But yeah, cool comment.
@@TheLikenessOfNormalthe part that drove him crazy was seeing pictures of himself eating a baby without having a single memory of doing such a horrible thing
Scrolled through the comments and I think this is the best take. 🤌🏽
As much as I hate the comic I'm actually going to make an argument for the Homelander and Black Noir twist.
Don't get me wrong. It's poorly written and not foreshadowed at all, but the idea is interesting. What the video left out was that Black Noir was created as a failsafe. A more powerful Homelander that exists just to kill Homelander if he ever goes too far. Of course, considering the shit the other heroes are up to, that makes no sense in the comic. The clone slowly going crazy because he can't do the one thing he was made for and deciding to make Homelander lose his mind, just so he can kill him is a cool idea though. Even if everything surrounding it is trash.
The thing with tropes is that the power isn’t even lost from repeated use, it’s from repeated bad use
"dropped a video"
I mean... Two years ago but yeah.
Many people repeat that the comic is bad without reading it first
I wouldn’t say bad, like Cody, I’d say it’s alright. It’s passable
*Nah it's shit*
I enjoyed it!
@@robinfire0772 just because you don't like it this does not make it bad it is just an opinion
@@FriendlyGhost-rf7tq my opinion is it's bad what now
“The Boys” comic is literally just Mr. I hate superhero’s going “See, see, superheroes are a bad concept because I wrote a comic where superheroes are a bad concept. Praise me for the total genius I am.”
It got really old... really fast.
Author likes Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. How tf you turn it into "superheroes are a bad concept"?
@@nothingwrong2293 Because that's the impression that literally everyone got from the the man's own work.
And he clearly doesn't like Superman, Batman, or Wonder Woman *that* much if he has such demonstrable hatred for the very genre that created them.
@@1992holycrap "literally everyone" more like a few youtubers who "literally everyone" got their opinions from. There is a bit in the comic where Stillwell is unimpressed with Homelander, since he never did anything exceptional or even interesting with all his power and was just a selfish asshole, no more no less. That implies that Stillwell would be impressed by someone like Superman, who is selfless and humble despite the power
@@nothingwrong2293but as Humans do naturally, eventually it will become boring & too much of an archetype to process for what Stillwell strove for, in regards to Homelander...
James Stillwell is very much like 'The Outsider' from Dishonored, who is neither bound towards superficial dichotomy's such as 'Good & Evil' & has viewed & put Humanity through all the lenses The Outsider can process through; with James, it's about how a Human can process enough power & how that cognitively shapes him but with The Outsider, he already processed & knows the measures of what Humanity is & he just exists and now his process is about how anyone can handle power, through different means of how a Human is cognitively shaped as to why he chooses specific human beings such as Corvo, Daud etc.
I would by no means call the comic ending “great”, but he’s glossing over a lot and grossly oversimplifying some of the events and characters and their motivations. It’s not by any stretch the best ending ever, but not quite so terrible as he makes it seem.
i dont understand how it isn't great by your standards of what's not great...
also, that's not the final ending of The Boys main comic run.
The Boys to Marvel and DC is like Shrek being anti Disney.
Shrek got nerfed in the dream works version. Took away his heat vision, fire breath, ability to eat lightning and kill clouds
I would absolutely love if in the final season of the boys they make Black Noir say the Reverse Flash line to Homelander just for the sake of saying fuck it like how the comic ending is.
"It was me Homelander! I was your clone and made you drink all the milk and take over the government!"
For that to happen, the current Noir would have to go away somehow and then be replaced by a Homelander clone that would also need to be explained. Noir is currently an entirely different character and the same is true for the original Noir that died in the prior seasons. They'd have to also add new scenes where Homelander gets evidence of "himself" doing worse stuff than he already did, crossing even his lines, to set such ending up properly.
At the end of the day, I think it'd just be better to see a new and unexpected ending. Maybe it'll be underwhelming, maybe it'll be genius, but they already changed so much, so why not continue with this new vision to the end?
lol true. But the original Black Noir is dead and the new Black Noir is different from the Comic. Plus Homelander in the show is already set as the villain of the story so making Black Noir as Homelander's clone is impossible. But ngl that would've been hilarious to see.
I swear I remember M'M and Butcher having an argument about why temp-V is hypocritical in the show before they knew it was poisonous making it always having been an ethical question with the added threat, maybe I just need to rewatch S3 or im a genius
I think i remember a scene like that too
Nah there definitely was a scene like that, MM says to Butcher something like “the whole reason we do this is because no one should have that kind of power” just off the top of my head
The thing that makes the "moral argument" not work is that they work with starlight and kimiko. Their problem isn't superpowers, it's corrupt people with superpowers. It's why they only go after the seven.
It's hypocritical of butcher to use V since he hates everyone with powers except Ryan, seemingly a soft spot for kimiko (although he probably just sees her as a weapon), and Maeve that one scene. But it's also hypocritical for mm and Frenchie to have a problem with temp V. MM especially should be more like Hughie considering his history with soldier boy
You should watch just stop’s video about the boys comic too to see the differing opinions
nah he sucks
@@balanced2482 I doesn’t matter your opinion on him (personally I don’t hate him) the video is well put and makes great points so it deserves merit
@candiaa I agree, it is good to see different views on a singular topic as you may agree or disagree but either way it broadens your perspective.
Yes please.
Watchmen is some dark lore, boss
Warchmen is peak dark super heros
The boys is comic is a cheap knockoff
The comics DO have some nuance tho. Not a ton, its still a blatant power fantasy for the creator, but people don't give them their due credit.
For one, once you look at the Supes as not just as characters, but as *products* of a greedy corporation the story takes on a VERY different feel
Most of the supes in the comics didn't have any special powers. The only thing that spearates them is a different costume. They're not trained or anything, most are just a bunch of incompetent celebrities given powers. Its why the Boys can kill them so easily.
And every bad thing Supes do is ultimately a product of Vought being an incompetent, greedy company that cuts corners wherever they can.
They don't care if their supes are mentally well or good people, they just care that they are *profitable*
And its funny he says that there's no complexity to the comics while showing pages of the G-men, a superhero group made up of people who were consistently SAd as children. Its easily one of the darkest storylines in the comic, mainly because Hughie slowly pieces it together and ties it to why they are all so weird and gross.
The trauma they went through messed them ALL up, making them think that mistreating their own & each other's bodies and ignoring any level of privacy isn't a big deal. It makes the line at 34:10 MUCH more haunting as you realise that these are abuse victims protecting their abuser cause its all they know and because "none of them said no" , even though they were just kids and had no power or choice in the matter.
Hughie even convinces the Boys to go in and stop the cycle of abuse by killing the Xavier wannaby and revealong it to the world, at which point Stillwell shows up with Vought's death squad and MURDERS all the G-men and the abuser. Revealing that they knew what was going on, but let the G-Men do what they wanted as long as it didn't draw too much attention, which it DID. So they went scorched earth. And The Boys, being able to do absolutely nothing, are forced to walk away
The show is better overall, but the comics have their moments in portraying a world basically ran by an EVIL company who sees human life as an expendable commodity at best and a nuisance that needs to be eliminated to preserve the bottom line at worst.
it's like you're having some backhanded cope of being subjected towards the superficiality, that is pinpointed against the comic, while going against the superficiality, that's against the comic... hmmmmmmm.
@@godzillazfriction what?
@godzillazfriction what?
@@spinosaurusstriker Ignore them, they attempt to seem smarter than everyone around them in every comment they leave only to get shit on by every other comment.
So Nux went from "absorbing all lore", to just "absorbing the lore of things he's told is the best version of that thing."
And by absorbing he means watching half baked biased recap video that ignore counter arguments
Oh right, nux has to keep up the charade that he's a psycho so he has to hate Hughie, the nicest guy on the show.
Tropes are a self fulfilling prophecy.
They become tropes because they work, and because they work everyone uses them, which kills the interest in the concept, killing the trope.
Especially when the trope is lazily executed and churned out in an attempt to grab cash.
Nuxa-lore would never react to "I have No mouth and I must scream"
This aged well
I disagree with Nux, I think acolyte writting is still worse than the ending go The Boys comics
Don’t expect this to be seen but I think maybe you should give Just Stop’s video on The Boys comic and how he defends it. I say it’s worth a watch because he does have some points. Like I said don’t expect this to be seen.
He abridged the finale A LOT to the point where skipped some serious context:
Homelander being gaslighted into becoming a monster and the reveal that Noir is a stronger clone of him DOES make sense with the theme of the story in the comics.
Homelander thought of himself as a god among men. When in reality, he really wasn't all that special at ally he was just bad product. This extends to the supes that basically got mercd in 5 minutes because they were never THAT strong. They just thought they were because years of having their dirty laundry cleaned up by Vought made them think they were beyond consequences.
And Noir was essentially created to watch Homelander and kill him if he ever went rogue. His one purpose was sitting in front of him for years and he couldn't do anything about it, so he went mad and MADE it happen.
Even the SA of Becca was just another iron in the fire Noir had to push Homelander into thinking he's been doing these terrible things for a long time and to put him in Butcher's sights, leading to Homelander constantly being under pressure from the FBI watching him, making it all the more likely that he would snap and Vought would give the kill order
As for Butcher deciding to kill all the Boys and commit genocide, that's another aspect that's built up over time. Multiple characters point out that Butcher's hatred for Supes goes beyond any sense of morality. Even the FBI was lowkey scared of him and basically used him as a rabid dog they pointed in the right direction. After Butcher finishes off Noir, who was sverely hurt after his fight with Homelander and the military peppering him with everything they had, Butcher realises that the only way to end the cycle was to *destroy* Compound V and everything it touched, which includes a LOT of innocent people
He kills the boys 1 by 1 because he knew they would be the only ones who could stop him.
He even distracts Hughie instead of killing him because Butcher couldn't bring himself to do it.
In the end, Butcher tricks Hughie into thinking he killed his parent, prompting Hughie to kill him and ending his plan before it went too far.
In the end, while Hughie and Annie love happily ever after, we see that Butcher was *somewhat* right as Vought simply rebrandes itself and started the business all over again, much to Stillwell's dismay
Even with abridge version I still know it's fucking garbage. Just say you like gore and fights without any meaning to it, that's why you defend this.
@@adamturek210just say you want to hate on the comic
@@adamturek210because a youtuber said so
@@nothingwrong2293 Tell me what about the comics is worth defending? The fact that every character in the comics is worse than in the tv show, terrible plot twists, or that everything that happens in the comics happens for the shock value without serving any deeper meaning?
@@adamturek210 no, the fact that every character in the comics is better than in tv show, amazing plot twists, or that far from everything that happens in the comics happens for the shock value without serving any deeper meaning. All you said so far is that "the thing is bad" without any substance, parroting someone else's opinion, how can anyone take you seriously
The whole "They hate The Boys because it's making fun of them" argument is so stupid, that it makes sense that people simping for season 4 actually believe it.
Newsflash, people can like media that makes fun of their own politics, what they do not like is when it is terribly written.
People saying they dont like season 4 are basically boiling it down to "forced wokeness" that's not a legit critique like lazy writing or inaccurate character behaviors or motivations that differ from the first seasons which they did like. Things like homelander being a fascist grifter or frenchie being gay have been there and its not like those aspects of them are being handled super differently. I have plenty problems with the show forced wokeness is not one of those.
@@sycamoreman9625there are writing problems with season 4, some arcs just fall flat. Why the fuck did frenchie fuck one of his victims? He wasn’t that bad of a person before.
S4 feels like long boring filer arc the whole season feels it was about butcher realise he has power and basically they throw random sht to rest of the cast and make political jokes just to waste time until season ends
Like tell me what starlight gained as character this whole season…..…an abortion
I miss when the boys actually felt like it was mocking both sides. Then they just turned homelander into an allegory for trump and they try to do everything to make you hate characters like soldier boy.
Seth rogens dirty fucking hands helping sully a show that was great
@@maxdavis7722 Yeah thats what I am saying. That is a valid critique although I think that with frenchies sexual and murderous history its not like hes a great guy. Them killing off noir after this big reveal, making things seem low stakes with things like the deep and noir attacking them and then everyone is just fine, not explaining the relationship b/w kimiko and frenchie more. None of those things are the things that i see people being upset over tho which is my point the antiwokeness concept is just manufactured moral outrage at a show that was already left leaning even in the basic premise.
Gotta say... love sausage was better in the comics
Da.
This guy really undersold what exactly Black Noir did to Homelander in the comics. He went out and committed the most horrible atrocities in Homelander's costume, taking pictures of it and sending them anonymously to both Homelander as well as The Boys. In fact the Homelander that assaulted Billy's wife was actually Black Noir, who sent pictures of the assault to both Billy and Homelander.
From Homelander's perspective he was receiving perfect, unedited photos and films that showed him doing the most evil atrocious shit. Even that "Superman but he eats babies" line is based off of what Black Noir did as Homelander to fuck with him and make him think he was going mad.
Homelander was gaslit and manipulated into a psychotic episode where he was unable to properly observe reality.
The comic explanation is honestly way fucking better, cause Homelander was led to thinking he was blacking out, committing these horrible atrocities he would never be forgiven for (cause he couldn't forgive himself for them) and that put him on his path to try and dominate the world to avoid possibly paying consequences for actions he was tricked into thinking he did.
Then who was the black noir that helped him rape star?
Berserk is the modern equivalent of the Odyssey. It's the story of a man freeing himself from the causality causality imposed by the gods.
*SPOILER*
I will admit I rolled my eyes pretty hard when they revealed Homelanders big plan is taking place on January 6th. I think there should still be SOME subtlety lol
No one gives a shit how hard you rolled your eyes
Yeah but that's standard inauguration date it has nothing to do with the "Incident" it would still be the same date of it didn't happen
It's no different than labor day being in September and Tax day coming around.
It's just standard dates of politics and business
@@VemoNotRated well yes, but January 6th has a specific connotation now, its more than just Inauguration Day. The writers could very easily have not included the date and the point they were making would still be crystal clear
Now react to just stop who defended the comic
no
@@balanced2482 why not 🤔
@@joeymanus8751ignore him. We need to make it happen.
it sucked
@@nedmode9412 so people can still react
9:45 "The City of Ember" movie adaptation fucking traumatized me as a kid because of how badly it butchered the book, characters were aged up/down, missing entirely with new ones created to fill the holes, they added a random giant man eating mole to explain why the supplies were running out (the book just had supplies running out because they were running out), turned the pre-planned evacuation route into a Rube-Golberg death machine, added a random drill-gocart thing that worked off of forks and spoons, and couldn't even get the basic city description right.
The TV show made it that the "super heroes" were bad for reasons. The original comics made them bad because they were "super heroes", if that makes sense.
that's just superficial dichotomy's of what both the comic & the show does...
@@J.P1981 thata not true in the slightless , in the comic its explained that the rrason why many but not all of super are bad is because many of them are abused and treated as marketeable celebrities from early age.
17:21 which is used to show the horror that is Butch, he is stubborn maniac, his stubborness to break through an invombable object until he does is what makes what he does so horrifying.
thats the point of it being so varied in it's gore Butch is horrifying human for the worse and the story does follow that sentiement.
Cover Alt shift X Euron Greyjoy he is the Cthulhu of ASOIAF. And the vids on the Blackfyres and the real Jon Snow they are masterpieces.
Yes
Na he’s a talentless hack, alt scwhift x makes way better videos.
21:56 that point of that is missed here, their incompetence is in point to what the chapter is titled, their patheticness is a challange they have that their personality overcomes, they're portrayed as pathetic, but more in such They're beautiful despite their pathetic traits, they aren't deemened highly or disregaded they're treated as the actual heroes they are via the fact they struggle due to being inexperinced.
I feel like Nux should watch “The Boys Comic is Kinda Great” by Just Stop. It’s a 40 min video and a complete refutation of this video.
Edit: Let me be clear by what I mean “refute”. Just Stop lays out how the comic was not actually a mindless self jerking work of a spiteful man, instead he shows how the author wrote everything with intent and forward sight. The themes are not just “superheros bad”, but instead shows how the path to vengeance is a lifeless one, the evil of corporations, and the complexity of life in a superhero world. To call Garth Ennis an “edgy teen” is a misnomer and a complete misreading of his comics.
also, his video is hidden from the masses because it's age-restricted... which sucks because Just Stop isn't trying to make an indoctrinated & polarized video, because he believes he knows better than the comic & the author himself, but he instead bases a new outlook into given perspectives, that the comic does indeed show accordingly to how Ennis wrote The Boys...
there's a reason why Seth Rogan, Eric speak highly of The Boys comic & therefore don't want to believe, that they can make a better take on The Boys against the comic, since the General Consensus surrounding the show in comparison to the comic is how 'much much better the show is & how it handles for what it was going for'... this General Consensus is just pure a indoctrinated & a polarized incoherent mess.
If anything you said was true, they wouldn't have completely changed the story.....look at Invincible. They haven't changed much besides the order the scenes happened
@@dame3323 ruclips.net/user/shorts5gj3Bq-8Sv4?si=wpLimiLkQppF1Zkb
@@dame3323 Thats not true , amazon also created rings of power and it sucked ass storywise compared to the source they were trying to adapt.
The reason why they changed so much was probably because they didn't planned for it to be more than a coumple of seasons , probably why butcher keeps going in and out from the boys and why many character arcas feel like repeating themselvs .
Also because the comic criticises more hollywood and big corpos more than ever so they chabged it for safe dgynes aboht making fun of the right wich is funny but also very weirds giving that holkywood is primarly left leaning , like , even the denocrat they had as a villian turned out to be a literal natsi , 0 nuance lol
@@spinosaurusstriker Okay buddy. Keep telling yourself that. The boys comics is absolutely dog water. If you like it, cool. Just don't lie and try to make it "good".
The twist at the end where Homelander is revealed to not be evil was the dumbest twist in fiction
I think the twist is fine. What makes it bad is that homelander just dies right after
It needed a better build up to the reveal so you question at what point that Hoimelander turn bad, was it all the years of Black Noir working against him or was he alway bad and Black Noir just gave it the final push.
I personally think the entire black noise twist was good. The problem was the execution. But a guy who went crazy because the thing he was made for didn't went crazy is a good storyline
@@Underworlddream It was clearly Black Noir as Black Noir reveals that EVERY SINGLE heinous action we see Homelander do in ANY PICTURE in the comic (eating babies, rape, etc) was committed by Black Noir and sent both to Homelander as well as The Boys, going to Homelander to fuck with his sense of reality and make him question his sanity and control of his own actions. And then they're sent to the boys so that they can blackmail Homelander and Vought, putting more psychological pressure and stress on Homelander.
From a mental manipulation standpoint it's probably the best written explanation for how they forced a decent man with the powers of a god to become immoral and evil, not by physically forcing him, but by psychologically destroying him and his sense of ego to the point where he felt more evil was the only solution to the hole they made him think he dug himself into.
The show while not exactly subtle in anyway at least tried to have some sort of commentary. The comics beyond just being edgy as fuck for its own sake was basically just the creator shitting in every comic hero he hated witch where basically everyone but batman and wonder woman with no other substance.
The Boys season 4 is pretty brainrot.
I don't know if you care for Sonic Comics or Sonic in general Nux but there was a big Sonic Comic writer named Ken Penders who is infamous among the Sonic Fandom. His Knuckles spin off series might be worth doing a video/reaction on because of how crazy it gets. It might be worth it just to experience the oddity that is Ken Penders. There's also a lot of Drama with him so that might be something you'd be more into regardless of the lore of Archie Sonic.
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Damn… then you’re missing out with how Wano and Egghead are going with that animation.
But hey, who am I to judge? You do you.
Eh the boy's comic is superior in my opinion, the boy's are an actual threat in the comic and just as bad as the seven as a whole instead of butcher being the only morally grey character on the team it is also paced way better and don't even get me started on all the homelander wank the show does when he wasn't even the main villain in the comic.
no such thing as 'morality'...
MCU humour wasn't even bad it was actually the perfect amount up until phase 3's end
Ragnarok kick started the overly comedic moments that took all the atmosphere and seriousness out if everything
The thing is you must know which character are actually meant to have humour and which don't
A tony stark without dry humor , spiderman without goofing around or a dead pool without meta jokes wouldn't work but a character like Thor or hulk shouldn't have more than a few funny lines during each movie
I CONSTANTLY talked about how shitty Ragnarok's humor was whenever it was brought up. Mainly cause it killed all the serious moments and people looked at me like I was crazy lol
It was so damn validating seeing people notice it too after Endgame. Especially with Love & Thunder
@@filipvadas7602 to be clear "fat Thor" wasn't even bad , it was a clear consequence of his depression but everything that came after was just straight up an insults to the character development we got earlier
Ragnarok was only good because it got lucky, taika watiti didn't even like the character and only did it for the money , i honestly can't blame him i would have done the same if i seriously needed money for my family, i blame the one that gave him the job and full creative freedom on the character and the story
I think you should watch Just Stop’s video on the boys as well, the comics are better then most people give them credit for and I find this video to be a bad faith take personally, just stop does a good job of making counterpoints and explaining the positive qualities of the comics. (Though there’s still plenty of negatives)
nah, the video is just all cope
With how positively the video painted the show and seemingly forgot that the show also just froze it's plot as well, I'm really not surprised
@@Gronminthe video was put out before the current season
@@balanced2482 Proper Analysis is not cope. Pointlesshub’s video leaves out A LOT of vital context for plenty of scenes to make them sound worse then they truthfully are and fails to mention that there are moral dilemmas regarding the murder of supes through the perspective of Hughie, who even has his moment of realizing all of their vengeance was pointless.
@@LordErebusBloodmoon good news for you I haven't seen any of the new season....
I think it's sad that people will watch a video that poorly deconstructs the comic and never give the comics a chance because of a person's awful understanding of it.
The Boys comic is more than an edgy power fantasy and actually has a lot to say. In matter of fact I found a video that is in response to this video "The Boys Comic is Kinda Great!" by Just Stop.
Honestly, I hope people wouldn't watch these videos without reading the comics first and having their own thoughts about it.
But, videos like these just prevent people from reading a good and interesting story. Though, I will admit, there are edgy for edginess sakes in the comic, but not to the degree this video let on.
I think you put way to much faith in the average person's free thinking ability.
Yeah I noticed how bad the deconstruct was with how disingenuously he did Homelanders death and Noir's reveal.
It's imo a pretty powerful moment to realize that someone who was actually a fairly decent person was driven to that level of darkness and evil not because of his power but because he was presented, with seemingly irrefutable evidence that he was blacking out and doing heinous evil shit.
Like Homelander at the end of the boys is recontextualized from being a villain to being a tragic victim of an actual psychopaths plot to drive him crazy and ruin him.
And that EVERY SINGLE THING he brings up in this video and says Homelander did it like: "Superman, but he eats babies" the baby eating was done BY BLACK NOIR.
It recontextualizes even Billy's entire conflict with Homelander cause you find out the personal vendetta Billy has against Homelander was for something Black Noir did in disguise.
It even makes Billy pity Homelander and it makes Homelander FEEL BAD FOR BILLY
They get a beautiful moment realizing that they spent so long as enemies when they were victimized by the same puppet master inflicting and playing with their traumas.
23:55 the comic uses it to expand character and themes, in the same the way the show does, which that show has more to those actions that just "How far are they gone" it also examplifying them as people, Homelander crushing a homeless man's skull while hitting the sex style is an addition to add to his and his partner's character of Arrogance served to add to the greater theme.
Homelander in the comics being disgusted of things he doesn't remember doing completely disregards this, as if he was really just a sciopath and nothing else why would he feel a human emotion? for purpose was the Psychoptic capatalist head of Vaut so apathetic, surely he'd be written the same way as "Psychopath" characters, yet he's made to best represent what the story critizes.
so sociopathy & any superficial (& BS) 'Personality' disorders don't equate to it being a 'Human emotion'... hmmmmm
@@godzillazfrictionI may actuallt have gotten that wrong, sciopathy and Psychopathy can feel emotion.
What Homelnader wanted to be a is a monster people care about, he wanted feel important superior, A GOD.
But because he is only human aswell, he became incompetent, arrogant and caring enough to know what those images showed were wrong.
Which is strage for a called "god" to care about mortal lives, he says it so himself, he's confused on why he's repulsed by it.
The entire point about it him doing that is that he is pathetic, thats the point he's just another asshole trying to act better than everyone else and gets what he deserved reality check, with his "Father" who basically abondened him day 1 despite still being there.
Explaning it's because Homelander is doing what anyone edglord would do, he's limted by the human thinking and acts like that not case, so ofcourse He's dissapointed Homelander isn't strong enough to not need other people's apporval especially his.
He's just another shomoe trying to be the next hitler and he failed horribly.
@@alexcat6685 1st off you can't determine what's 'Right nor Wrong' in its absolute form of truth (especially 'Good & Evil')...
2nd, im going to wait for you to ask me to elaborate on how there's no such thing as the abstraction & the informal labelling of 'Psychopathy & Sociopathy' & any 'Personality Disorder' (especially the abstraction of 'Personality' itself) that's based off of the 'pathological differences' that isn't the most, & highly perceived 'social accepted standard'...
15:56 while the comic did treat it jokely, he was more than that he was a moral pervert, as in his brain wasn't functioning and he hated it, he wanted to be more than just some compulsive fucker it's why he pushes people away intentionally so they get close enough to be hurt.
Him having stadards despite what is said would go against The Boys comic being One Dimensional, not even just that many of the antogisnt and even protaganist mean more than just some power fantasy, Butch, the main guy who is treated to this lens is treated as the maniac he's become, so fueled to hate Supers he hurts innocent ones because he's so addicted to it, it's become his second nature and thats is treated with the Predujice it derserves by his own team, his best friend.
He won't mention that because it throws his point out a window 😂
Honestly, The Boys perfectly parodied the Mr Beast drama. Even someone with genuinely good intentions will be corrupted by absolute power and authority. In his quest for the peak of entertainment, there was collateral damage. People that had to be paid off. Sufferings that had to be swept under the rug. It breaks my heart so much to know that it's Mr Beast that I'm talking about as I say this...
As someone who read the books way before the show was ever a concept, the show is ABSOLUTELY better.
BUT…
You knew exactly what you were getting with the comics.
They were the fast food or junk food you ate and hated yourself for consuming, yet some how always made your way back to.
The show is the high quality restaurant version of whatever that is for you.
Also, you should definitely check out Watchmen and probably The Authority as well.
~_~
gotta love the appeal to stone fallacy & acting like you absolutely know better because you watched the show & read the comic.
I definitely disagree with all of this. The comic is superior, and Seth Rogen has nothing to do with it. I can't stand that unfunny stoner Canadian.
0:00 how dare you! I am a Male Lady! Not a Female Gentleman!
Look you can like the show more, but i don't think the originla video is foing Justice to the Homelander Comic books. Please atleast give the Comics a chance as well.
Thing about Garth Ennis is that he'll stumble into an amazing concept with such a deep possibility for storytelling... and then claim that having a character stab a dolphin to fuck the wound is the pinnacle of though provoking narratives
Nux straight up came up with a better idea )in the sense of hit-pieces about fictional characters) than anything Ennis has ever done.
Ennis made a story about an infection that removes the mental inhibitions stopping you from doing the thing you desire most, and used it as the backdrop for what may as well just be even more torture porn. A person becoming Crossed and going out on a motorcycle with a shotgun to blow the brains out of every police officer or city official? Nah, have 4 random people dismember a child while raping the parents and making them watch.
Ennis doesn't even do "edge for the sake of edge" he makes over-the-top edgy BS and claims it's the best thing ever written
This is my first time actually seeing this video, and wow, is it bad. Honestly, the comics aren't terrible, just very much of its time and not my taste. I don't know what comic this dude read, but based on his video, it clearly wasn't the same one I did. The dude is just factually wrong for most of it. Either he's lying about having actually read it all, or he has the reading comprehension of a middle schooler.
You might want to check out Just Stop's response to this video for another perspective. Honestly, I feel like most people in the "x is terrible crowd" just go by public opinion and don't even read the source material.
Just stop is the only one who talks about this comic fairly. It's so hard to be a Garth Ennis fan. People misrepresent his work allll the time. It sucks. He's an amazing writer.
Given he just lied about what happened in the tv show as well I'm going with the comprehension of a toddler
Oh? What facts did he get wrong?
@@justlisten203I don't know man, Garth is just kinda weird. I read crossed and well i didn't come out of that with how gh opinions of ol ennis
has been a minute but from what, I remember, he just uses several reductive blanket statements throughout or misrepresented certain aspects of the comic. He presents the comic as if doesn't have a message or it's just edge and shock with no substance or depth.
You should absolutely watch the extended cut of the watchman
In my opinion the comics was so much better, and the "plot twist" at the end was the best part. The fact that they removed Black Noir is the reason I dislike the series (and also the person they got to play Hughie). The Homelander was gaslit into believing that he had a "evil side" that was doing things without his knowledge, and goes insane because of it.
Basically the series completely changes so many of the things that made the comic great.
I like the boys show and comic. In my opinion they changed so much that it is two different stories like for instance black noir is the one who eats babies black noir is the one who murdered Butchers wife. Black noir is a clone of Homelander.
Nah, Homelander is not based
Fun fact, the boys has a Hebrew dub. That's right, a legit Hebrew dub. Not a fan or parody, an official Hebrew dub with a certified voice cast.
35:59 Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they write a tragic ending. Either make Vought win or The Boys become villainous in nature, or an absolute chaos ending. Having an ending where The Boys are shined in a good light would be a meh ending, which might happen, if Amazon makes them do so.
Kinda disappointed by this reaction after literally just watching the video on Artistic Vandalism. In like, maybe in some parts it was vandalized in a way that was preferred or in a way you weren't aware of so it is suddenly ok. Dunno man, kinda jarring.
Agree. What the point of adapting something if you are not going to adapted it but only surface level stuff. Having read most of the comic, I would say I recognized the problem it has but I feel that they have some good ideas that could be polish to be made better then what in the comic but instead we don't even get that.
16:06 I mean, Professor X has stated to be in love with Jean Grey in a comic, and Jean Grey in that comic is a teenager/minor, so it’s not so far from reality with what the RUclips guy said there.
Oooh, you should check out more of this channel. It's pretty good when it comes to tackling certain media.
To be fair failing at one topic doesn't mean you fail at every single one, just some parts need retooling or they'll ruin the media literarncy,
Juststop better explains, though in a more to the aduience rather than the specifc video itself on the oppisiste: "The Boys Comic is Kinda Great!" :ruclips.net/video/D8pNQulytkM/видео.html
This is how movie and tv show remakes should be done... Fix what was bad about it and get a redemption arc done.
Saw a thread where people were arguing about if the boys comic or show was better. The people defending the comic made it seem like people who didn’t like the comic were just not smart enough to understand the deep meaning
In the year of our lord 2024 there are still people who belch out "the book was better" to sound smarter.
17:13 for me one of the most dissapointing, the original Webcomic Did Storytelling SO much better, while the Manga has Demon Slayer issue of relying too much on animation make up for what people are actually here for: story, they want to be invested in a story not see cool action scenes they could from other areas.
those things are servings for the story not the otherway around and one Punch man manga and most likely the Anime Completely Forgot what the series is trying to be resutling alot of scaling without little meaning.
which is why I wanna make a hand in making a semi parody series based on a defenctive clone of Saitama, that actually leans into what the webcomic was going for, One Weak Man it would be concept name as it revolves about apprecaiting the little things and how those supposed "little" things are way bigger than one can imagine.(like I have the goal to convince you to be tear eyed over some weird looking guy lifting his finger)
Comic black noir/Homelander's clone pulls it was me, barry be like: Do you remember when your working in the sworee and someone is touching you?! It was me, hughie! I clapped you violently and it seems like no one belives you!!!!!
Comic hughie: NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
17:30 like I said about Butch, He's more than just Edgy, he actually uses his egde to make a point about blind hatred and like I said about who he kills not always being on dimeniosal
The only thing i can see happening in the series that happens in the comics is Butcher becoming crazy and killing everyone that has powers after defeating homelander
The way i think the show will end is simple, they dont will, because "the good guys always win in the end" is a massive trope, and the boyz are arguably the good guys, technically
no such thing as 'Good guys' & vice versa...
@@godzillazfriction ok let me rephrase, the protagonists
@@Axeky ok... so i guess you won't ask how that is, in regards to my initial comment.
He claims to consume all lore and yet he hasn't watched more spooky month yet lmao
The boys only kill so many supers in the comic because they literally also become permanent supers to fight back.
The show does right by having the ones killed not only be few and far between and with some workarounds or literally requiring another super to help, but also points out the hypocrisy in season 3 of actively choosing a debatably dangerous method to even the playing field versus the already existing Supers on their side that, both didnt know about V being the reason they were even Super, and didnt have a choice.
It also makes a great point about those temporary powers making them become more violent and corruptible like the people they're trying to hunt and stop which further proves the point of the characters calling them hypocrites for sinking that low just for a win.
“The x-men, but professor X diddles kids”
Soooo just early X-men lol
Noir being a clone is fucking obvious, he doesnt speak and cant actually fly his jet, he kills people for fun but acts pike its an idiots accident, he falls from great heights plenty of times and lives easy. The comic never shows noir being a competent ninja just a silent menace
22:02 Like I said about these guys, they're a nuanced mess of pain that the Boys aside from the exception wish to save, which then because butch best man goes with he follows.
22:49 still shouldn't and it isn't taken by the comic away that hughie is right in caring about killing people in general, that's why he's horrified of the powers the chemicals he was given did and why he was so stricken by it.
Highly recommend Just Stop's video on the comics for a nearly complete opposite perspective
I kinda want Nux to react to The Boys is Kinda Great by JustStop. Who has a different take on The Boys comic which is Kinda Interesting.
comics is better.
And there is no way you will "consume all lore" when you don't watch things, you monstly watch videos of biased people talking about lore.
Hey Nux, can you react to Just Stop’ response video ‘The Boys Comic is Kinda Great’ because I want you to react to a boys comic defender
The art was kinda terrible too.
(No offense to the artist tho)
The twist in the comics was LITERALLY "IT WAS MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, BARRY!" only done unironically and with zero humorous intent.
Can't belive black noir pulled a "it was me barry." On homelander in the comics
People aren’t mad at The Boys for making fun of them. They’re mad that it stopped being funny and just started dropping endless ‘memba berries about irl politics.
It only stopped being funny to the people it makes fun of.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think _everyone_ hated Hughie getting sexually assaulted, but the writers thought that was peak comedy.
Big changes that are important to point out. Stormfront in the comic is still a Nazi but is Homelanders dad and otherwise doesn’t do much. Soldier boy is a literal pants pissing coward who doesn’t do much before he’s killed.
...considering how he feels about the comic...then the show is basically just that after season 2. Theyve been fiddle fucking around with a higher emphasis on the thing he disliked about the comics.
Garth Ennis wrote a graphic novel about complex mental deterioration caused by familial abuse via gaslighting before it was a modern trope.
"Gaslighting may not be the only factor leading to mental illness but the same factors that leave a person vulnerable to gaslighting may result in lower self-esteem, uncertainty about their own reality, anxiety, and ultimately depression. Over time, you begin to believe that there is something wrong with you because one of the most important people in your life is telling you this. It can affect a person's functioning in terms of work, school, and socialization."
Dr. Michelle Riba, MD, MS, clinical professor of psychiatry
The comics are better than the show it's darker and uglier
other way around
@@balanced2482 nope
Still, I wouldn't call Garth Ennis a bad writer. I really enjoyed his Hellblazer run, Preacher is absolutely one of my favorite comics of all time and his Punisher MAX comics(a Punisher comic set in an alternate, realistic universe) is actually a very well written gritty crime drama. I think Garth Ennis just had a ton load of fun while writing The Boys comic. But there are some scenes in The Boys where Ennis' writing shine at times. Mostly revolving the portrayal of Billy Butcher's insanity. But yeah I'd be lying if I said The Boys comic was good
Preacher was one of the first adult comic books I read and it made me fell in love with the medium (again). And the Max series screams for screen adaptation, one of, if not the best punisher stories.
The crazy thing is, Garth originally pitched this idea to DC.
So imagine this but with actual DC superheroes