I agree. And I disagree. I Think, pluto in this Position could be a healer, If the intentions of pluto are good ones. Only the Presence of the pluto Person could be healing and regenerating the house Person on a very deep Level. I refuse only to see the bad Manifestation of this overlay.
Pluto can also be transformative of course, not just secretive, controlling and manipulative. It can bring to the light of awareness hidden fears and hypocrasies and enables the death or shedding of the old skin of fears that keep us imprisoned. Working layer by layer if we are ready to allow it. My Pluto is in a new friend's 12th House and has already gone to work burrowing into her unconscious where she feels she has things she wants to connect with. I'm trying to stay aware of how much of my Pluto engagement is too much for her though. All things in our human experience can obviously go too far and have a double edged sword effect which needs to be kept tabs on I think.
Decided to do a synastry for a friend of mine who was murdered 17 years ago. We has this aspect and he came to me in a dream with a message the day he was murdered. That’s how I taped into his unconscious mind…
@@modernastrology4521 I am the pluto person and his 12th house 🕊. Just checked his natal chart and his own pluto was in his 12th house too. (My moon went into his 1st house)
I ABSOLUTELY agree. I had this aspect with someone in the past and it was extremely intense. Our synastry was such 8th & 12th house synastry(we had stellium) so i guess it made it extra intense. I was the house person for the 12H and planet person for the 8H and we were like... telepathic with each other. I almost felt like I was able to sense his thoughts and control/ manipulate his subconscious motives ♤
I think that having this Pluto placement is hard. But what I can really tell you is that, if you indulge too much in bad things you will attract them I have Pluto in Scorpio and Scorpio Rising when you activate the 12th house by meditation and self-study things change for the better. If you learn meditation from a young age and continue with that you will see that Pluto in this position can bring good fruits for example wealth and prosperity, luck even at times. The theme of losing can be also but the power to regenerate is big. For example studying astrology, psychology, and esoterism can help. The 12th house is the house of the soul so if you know this you learn spirituality. I am traveling throw life with a constant question which is very simple it's called "why?". I also want to say that incredible forces are churned when you have you're Pluto in Scorpio and Scorpio Rising as a physical body. In astrology, we talk about Hermetic rules. So you do not have black things around you, there are more unraveled qualities . Nice clip by the way keep doing clips , I like to watch you're clips.
Oh my god!! The fact that this person is in my life after I have healed and discovered astrology! I am SO GLAD that I am awake now and would NEVER hurt him 😭 I hope I can bring him some gentle healing. Truly
Marilyn Monroe had this synastry with her first husband Jim Dougherty. His Pluto was in her 12th house (her own Pluto was also in her 12th house). Jim treated her well when she was still Norma Jeane and loved her and gave her a stable home after her chaotic childhood And she repaid him by having secret affairs with photographers when he was overseas during World War 2 when she became a model, and then sent him divorce papers without any warning to chase Hollywood fame. She destroyed their marriage for selfish reasons (Pluto). But Jim never stopped loving her and still had a psychic bond with her. In 1962, he had a terrible sense that she was going to die but he had no way to warn her, as she had cut him off to embrace the dark underbelly of Hollywood (Pluto).
I painted someone with whom I have my Pluto in Libra in their 12th house closely conjunct their Mercury as well, before I met them. Mercury is also their Chart ruler!
When you have pluto contacts pluto rules the 8 house past life karma... Also 12 house past life karma... We don't meet people for no reason if you meet this person with this pluto aspect their is a reason... The word karma means action. Past life actions that were taken now in this life you must face it resolve it complete end sometimes pluto means ending transformation
@stephfeels555 Absolutely. I have Jupiter in the 12th. Literally a lifetime of Angelic protection and divinely inspired creativity. The 12th is the final human experience, the afterlife, so many will see it as negative, when it is actually the final frontier.
Our sex was... Something else. He was manipulative and had women in the background. I knew yet I wanted to believe his lies so bad.😢 He had multiple planets in my 12th house. Never again.
i have someone's pluto in my 12th house squaring my venus/mars/moon. horrible person anyway and he excercised his psyhopatchic doings on me with much delight :/ (i'm talking about criminal stuff) it hasn't been much transformative more like unnecessary BS.
@@ao1920 stabbing, blackmailing, money stuff. interestingly everybody around him went to prison except him. i bumped into him few months ago and was still threatening towards me, had to look behind me until i got home.
my ex had his pluto in my 12th house. He messed my mind up. Now im traumetized and suffer from fibromyalgi. Sometimes i felt like he was the devil. Trying to brainwash me..
I have Pluto in the 12th house and I don’t treat people I care about like that. He was just a piece of shit person. I pray that you heal from your experience and I’m sorry that had happened to you.
I am so scared by this. You found my post for a reason. This person has so many hard aspects to me. Pluto conjunct ascendant, Pluto square Venus, Lilith conjunct Chiron in my 5th house, Sun/Uranus conjunct Anti-Vx, and personal asteroid conjunct Vx in the 8th. The list goes on and on...thanks to you I have found ways to deal with the powerful connection. This all is happening on my Chiron return this year. I feel like my whole life is crumbling around me. Thank you for helping me understand some of the powerful forces at play here. You are a blessing to me.
Is this even more intense if my pluto is already in my own 12th house on top of my partners pluto being in my 12th? I imagine there will constantly be an unconscious power struggle between us two.
Be careful. I have my Pluto in my 12th with my partners Pluto in my 12th and she's not lying about the tactics and patterns. It can be very transformative but the transformation I find is a slow one bc by the time you realize what's happening, you've already been sucked into the vortex. It's our duty to self reflect and evolve out of the toxicity and become greater and it is so rewarding once you do. You'll feel empowered ☺️ blessings to you
When you have your natal Pluto in the 12th house you can more easy handle your partners Pluto in your 12th house because you already familiar with this energy.
I would like to add something here in regards to the houses vs. the signs. A house has aspects of a sign's character, but is NOT the sign itself. Hence in traditional astrology the planets have house positions where they rejoice, meaning they feel comfortable there. For the 12th house it's Saturn, whereas Pisces is ruled traditionally by Jupiter and later on has been assigned Neptune as a co-ruler, you know. I hope you don't mind me chiming-in here, dear Berta. Just think it's helpful when looking at the overall house-activities, i.e. characteristics and life's themes. So here I leave for you the planets in houses (has nothing to do with the signs they rule!) where they rejoice. Sun - 9th house Moon - 3rd house Mercury - 1st house Venus - 5th house Mars - 6th house Jupiter - 11th house Saturn - 12th house.
im sorry. you've confused me with the way you wrote this. it was hard for me to understand because i interpret it as a lot of incomplete sentences thus making it hard for me to see the full picture of what youre trying to say.
This is 1st time am feeling you are 100% false since a year .. at least for me .. my partner Pluto worked in increasing attraction for 12 years .. and shares love with support to success .. you forgot about the good side ^_^
Hi, synastry is a complex, here I am talking about one thing at a time.I don´t diminish your experience, but truth is that this is how Pluto operates in the 12th house. It is always a risk to tell something negative about any aspect or planet in houses, because if we have this placement with someone we always defend it no matter what and are very sensitive about it.
A co jeżeli to Pluton rodziców (obu) wchodzi mi do 12 domu? Unikać, zerwać więzi, ograniczyć kontakt do minimum? Mieszkają niedaleko więc ciężka sprawa.....
Can you pls tell how it could manifest if the Pluto persons are your parents - both of them are placed in my 12th house. I had always issue with my dad but last years with my mother as well as I see more clearly her intentions towards me and the fact that she wasn't always honest with me. Just general info. Dziękuję bardzo :-))))))
Same both my parents hit my 12th house along with Uranus. Always felt they were sabotaging me and I was right when I found out they were putting ill will towards me and my name. They were never supportive of me and my dreams always gaslighting me and pretty much beat my self esteem to the ground. But through astrology I’ve empowered myself. I also noticed that my fathers mars hits my 8th house as well and my mothers debilitated Venus hits my 2nd house. So yeah they are the worst but I’m healing because now I know how they affected me my entire existence.
You have not discussed clearly about pluto in 12th house but conjunct ascendant at 3 degrees of scorpio? Is it really that bad? We also have saturn conjunct venus at my 12th house scorpio. His sun also in my 12th house but in the sign of libra. I really like this guy but he does confuse me
You know, I would have to see whole synastry chart to come any conclusion. But it seems like there is lot of 12th house stuff going on, so no wonder he confuses you. I have another video in my playlist about pluto conjunct asc, you can check it out.
Hi Jennivere, Saturn in the 12th house in synastry is one of the most difficult placements couple can have. Point being, house person feels intimidated and scared by Saturn person on an unconcsious level. Saturn always works slowly, so it takes time for a house person to realize Saturns power.
Hi Maria, Pluto is natural malefic, so tends to play out in more difficult ways even in easy aspects. However, I have video like pluto trine/sextile mars which is positive one. I mainly upload pluto in difficult aspects in synastry and these are simply not easy to handle in a relationship. So, that is the reason as well.
Modern Astrology I am Plutonian but was always the one being manipulated and used. I have always felt more Martian cause my anger is legendary. But maleficent? Me? Wish I was honestly.
Maria, check my video on how pluto aspects make you scorpionic. I talk about your situation there. That in natal chart it can go both ways. And you-having difficult contacts in natal chart may be the one being used by other people.
I agree. And I disagree. I Think, pluto in this Position could be a healer, If the intentions of pluto are good ones. Only the Presence of the pluto Person could be healing and regenerating the house Person on a very deep Level. I refuse only to see the bad Manifestation of this overlay.
Ty so much. This I agree with.
Pluto can also be transformative of course, not just secretive, controlling and manipulative. It can bring to the light of awareness hidden fears and hypocrasies and enables the death or shedding of the old skin of fears that keep us imprisoned. Working layer by layer if we are ready to allow it. My Pluto is in a new friend's 12th House and has already gone to work burrowing into her unconscious where she feels she has things she wants to connect with. I'm trying to stay aware of how much of my Pluto engagement is too much for her though. All things in our human experience can obviously go too far and have a double edged sword effect which needs to be kept tabs on I think.
Very insightful.
I’m the Pluto person I’ve promised myself not to be manipulative
Decided to do a synastry for a friend of mine who was murdered 17 years ago. We has this aspect and he came to me in a dream with a message the day he was murdered. That’s how I taped into his unconscious mind…
Hi. Very interesting. You were house person?
@@modernastrology4521 I am the pluto person and his 12th house 🕊. Just checked his natal chart and his own pluto was in his 12th house too. (My moon went into his 1st house)
Love this
HE definitely visited you
I ABSOLUTELY agree. I had this aspect with someone in the past and it was extremely intense. Our synastry was such 8th & 12th house synastry(we had stellium) so i guess it made it extra intense.
I was the house person for the 12H and planet person for the 8H and we were like... telepathic with each other. I almost felt like I was able to sense his thoughts and control/ manipulate his subconscious motives ♤
I think that having this Pluto placement is hard. But what I can really tell you is that, if you indulge too much in bad things you will attract them I have Pluto in Scorpio and Scorpio Rising when you activate the 12th house by meditation and self-study things change for the better. If you learn meditation from a young age and continue with that you will see that Pluto in this position can bring good fruits for example wealth and prosperity, luck even at times. The theme of losing can be also but the power to regenerate is big. For example studying astrology, psychology, and esoterism can help. The 12th house is the house of the soul so if you know this you learn spirituality. I am traveling throw life with a constant question which is very simple it's called "why?". I also want to say that incredible forces are churned when you have you're Pluto in Scorpio and Scorpio Rising as a physical body. In astrology, we talk about Hermetic rules. So you do not have black things around you, there are more unraveled qualities . Nice clip by the way keep doing clips , I like to watch you're clips.
Thanks for sharing😀
Oh my god!! The fact that this person is in my life after I have healed and discovered astrology! I am SO GLAD that I am awake now and would NEVER hurt him 😭 I hope I can bring him some gentle healing. Truly
Marilyn Monroe had this synastry with her first husband Jim Dougherty. His Pluto was in her 12th house (her own Pluto was also in her 12th house). Jim treated her well when she was still Norma Jeane and loved her and gave her a stable home after her chaotic childhood And she repaid him by having secret affairs with photographers when he was overseas during World War 2 when she became a model, and then sent him divorce papers without any warning to chase Hollywood fame. She destroyed their marriage for selfish reasons (Pluto). But Jim never stopped loving her and still had a psychic bond with her. In 1962, he had a terrible sense that she was going to die but he had no way to warn her, as she had cut him off to embrace the dark underbelly of Hollywood (Pluto).
I painted someone with whom I have my Pluto in Libra in their 12th house closely conjunct their Mercury as well, before I met them. Mercury is also their Chart ruler!
When you have pluto contacts pluto rules the 8 house past life karma... Also 12 house past life karma... We don't meet people for no reason if you meet this person with this pluto aspect their is a reason... The word karma means action. Past life actions that were taken now in this life you must face it resolve it complete end sometimes pluto means ending transformation
My partners pluto is in my 12th house and my pluto is in his 12 house.
The 12th house is the house of divinity. I suppose the creator and Angels know a lot about us, but that does not make them dangerous.
I wish the deeper aspects weren’t demonized. I believe there is magic in this house not just this negative karma thing
@stephfeels555 Absolutely. I have Jupiter in the 12th. Literally a lifetime of Angelic protection and divinely inspired creativity. The 12th is the final human experience, the afterlife, so many will see it as negative, when it is actually the final frontier.
He has Pluto in Libra in his 7th and in my 12th. Very great explanation thank you 🙏
Our sex was... Something else. He was manipulative and had women in the background. I knew yet I wanted to believe his lies so bad.😢 He had multiple planets in my 12th house. Never again.
i have someone's pluto in my 12th house squaring my venus/mars/moon. horrible person anyway and he excercised his psyhopatchic doings on me with much delight :/ (i'm talking about criminal stuff) it hasn't been much transformative more like unnecessary BS.
What did he do?
@@ao1920 stabbing, blackmailing, money stuff. interestingly everybody around him went to prison except him. i bumped into him few months ago and was still threatening towards me, had to look behind me until i got home.
So true! This is great explanation👍🙏Thank you🧚🏻♀️
my ex had his pluto in my 12th house. He messed my mind up. Now im traumetized and suffer from fibromyalgi. Sometimes i felt like he was the devil. Trying to brainwash me..
OMG I am sorry to hear your sorry. Hopefully you are going to be alright.
It’s not always Pluto fault.
I have Pluto in the 12th house and I don’t treat people I care about like that. He was just a piece of shit person. I pray that you heal from your experience and I’m sorry that had happened to you.
Why what did he do how does his Pluto in your12th house affect you?
thank you so so much 3 years this gives me so much validation
I am so scared by this. You found my post for a reason. This person has so many hard aspects to me. Pluto conjunct ascendant, Pluto square Venus, Lilith conjunct Chiron in my 5th house, Sun/Uranus conjunct Anti-Vx, and personal asteroid conjunct Vx in the 8th. The list goes on and on...thanks to you I have found ways to deal with the powerful connection. This all is happening on my Chiron return this year. I feel like my whole life is crumbling around me. Thank you for helping me understand some of the powerful forces at play here. You are a blessing to me.
me too
Update??
Is this even more intense if my pluto is already in my own 12th house on top of my partners pluto being in my 12th? I imagine there will constantly be an unconscious power struggle between us two.
Be careful. I have my Pluto in my 12th with my partners Pluto in my 12th and she's not lying about the tactics and patterns. It can be very transformative but the transformation I find is a slow one bc by the time you realize what's happening, you've already been sucked into the vortex. It's our duty to self reflect and evolve out of the toxicity and become greater and it is so rewarding once you do. You'll feel empowered ☺️ blessings to you
@@IDontHaveTheAnswers how to be aware of what's going on in your unconscious, especially when someone has access to it that easily?
Yes it will be more intense with this natal aspect
When you have your natal Pluto in the 12th house you can more easy handle your partners Pluto in your 12th house because you already familiar with this energy.
@@dianadi5519 whats your experience with it? i have pluto conj sun
and his pluto is in both of our 12th houses. what do you think?
This is scary ... I have this synastry my pluto is already in the 12th house but he is the Pluto person .
so what happened?
I would like to add something here in regards to the houses vs. the signs.
A house has aspects of a sign's character, but is NOT the sign itself.
Hence in traditional astrology the planets have house positions where they rejoice, meaning they feel comfortable there.
For the 12th house it's Saturn, whereas Pisces is ruled traditionally by Jupiter and later on has been assigned Neptune as a co-ruler, you know.
I hope you don't mind me chiming-in here, dear Berta.
Just think it's helpful when looking at the overall house-activities, i.e. characteristics and life's themes.
So here I leave for you the planets in houses (has nothing to do with the signs they rule!) where they rejoice.
Sun - 9th house
Moon - 3rd house
Mercury - 1st house
Venus - 5th house
Mars - 6th house
Jupiter - 11th house
Saturn - 12th house.
im sorry. you've confused me with the way you wrote this. it was hard for me to understand because i interpret it as a lot of incomplete sentences thus making it hard for me to see the full picture of what youre trying to say.
@@Supported32320 - ok. One sentence in a statement here for you.
Each planet has a house that it rules.
What happens if Pluto and Moon is in 1st house and Libra is ascendant.
His pluto is in my 12th house but conjunct my ascendant in scorpio with a tight orb. What does it mean?
Did you experience something special?
U said if house person. Walks away from pluto person ud b surprized at how he reacts, u mean that he would come stalking after u?
I am having a direct conjunction of my pluto from eleventh house to my partners pluto in his 12 house. What is in this case to expect?
so very true i think he’s put spyware on my phone too :(
What happens when Pluto in 12th house ? His Pluto is in my 12th house
are you Pluto or house
Using placidus or whole signs?
Nice 👍 what about the fourth house in synastry? It is also a water house.
I will continue with Pluto in the houses, so stay tuned :)
This is 1st time am feeling you are 100% false since a year .. at least for me .. my partner Pluto worked in increasing attraction for 12 years .. and shares love with support to success .. you forgot about the good side ^_^
Hi, synastry is a complex, here I am talking about one thing at a time.I don´t diminish your experience, but truth is that this is how Pluto operates in the 12th house. It is always a risk to tell something negative about any aspect or planet in houses, because if we have this placement with someone we always defend it no matter what and are very sensitive about it.
@@modernastrology4521 smh just stop
she could be cheating on you don’t speak so soon
@@themoonbleu627 12 years on this relationship proved it .. always don't forget the good side of planets in synastry ^-*
@@msk4u2 it would have been cool if you went into what exactly was good about it. how did pluto's transformative quality work for you
Hello can u please do Pluto in partners 9 th house???? Thanks 🙏
A co jeżeli to Pluton rodziców (obu) wchodzi mi do 12 domu? Unikać, zerwać więzi, ograniczyć kontakt do minimum? Mieszkają niedaleko więc ciężka sprawa.....
Can you pls tell how it could manifest if the Pluto persons are your parents - both of them are placed in my 12th house. I had always issue with my dad but last years with my mother as well as I see more clearly her intentions towards me and the fact that she wasn't always honest with me. Just general info. Dziękuję bardzo :-))))))
Same both my parents hit my 12th house along with Uranus. Always felt they were sabotaging me and I was right when I found out they were putting ill will towards me and my name. They were never supportive of me and my dreams always gaslighting me and pretty much beat my self esteem to the ground. But through astrology I’ve empowered myself. I also noticed that my fathers mars hits my 8th house as well and my mothers debilitated Venus hits my 2nd house. So yeah they are the worst but I’m healing because now I know how they affected me my entire existence.
You have not discussed clearly about pluto in 12th house but conjunct ascendant at 3 degrees of scorpio? Is it really that bad? We also have saturn conjunct venus at my 12th house scorpio. His sun also in my 12th house but in the sign of libra. I really like this guy but he does confuse me
You know, I would have to see whole synastry chart to come any conclusion. But it seems like there is lot of 12th house stuff going on, so no wonder he confuses you. I have another video in my playlist about pluto conjunct asc, you can check it out.
What wold your assessment be with Saturn in 12th house synastry? Is that a red flag? Thank you
Hi Jennivere, Saturn in the 12th house in synastry is one of the most difficult placements couple can have. Point being, house person feels intimidated and scared by Saturn person on an unconcsious level. Saturn always works slowly, so it takes time for a house person to realize Saturns power.
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but what if its pluto in my 12th house but sextile my venus at 0 degrees
I’ve noticed you’re always being so negative when it comes to Pluto. Why?
Hi Maria, Pluto is natural malefic, so tends to play out in more difficult ways even in easy aspects. However, I have video like pluto trine/sextile mars which is positive one. I mainly upload pluto in difficult aspects in synastry and these are simply not easy to handle in a relationship. So, that is the reason as well.
Modern Astrology I am Plutonian but was always the one being manipulated and used. I have always felt more Martian cause my anger is legendary. But maleficent? Me? Wish I was honestly.
Maria, check my video on how pluto aspects make you scorpionic. I talk about your situation there. That in natal chart it can go both ways. And you-having difficult contacts in natal chart may be the one being used by other people.
Modern Astrology Thank you. I will check this out!!
she’s wasn’t negative