I had the same thoughts when it came to the entire concept of the canon events, with the whole cause and effect thing going on, and thinking the idea that every single spider man across the multiverse has to experience all these exact events just seems very implausible and inconsistent with how the multiverse should work. I doubt Miguel is lying about it though, I have a feeling maybe that he’s just misinformed due to what he experienced when he destroyed the other universe. That had to have happened because Peter B and a bunch of other spider people were there during the event when that universe died, no doubt they probably wouldn’t want to test that any further at the risk of potentially destroying another entire universe.
That's also my head canon (pun intended lol). They do that to make Miguel an antagonist for ATSV because Spot is set up to be the big bad in beyond the spiderverse
That cop would probably have been in danger even if The Spot hadn’t been there. That’s the point of "The Web of Life and Destiny" and "the Canon" it’s not a timeline, it’s a set of abstract events. "A police captain close to Spider-Man dies trying to protect a kid while Spider-Man fights a nemesis." Any set of circumstances can lead to these events. Miguel is Spider-Man 2099, supposedly his dimension’s Peter Parker went through the exact same events. Hell, there was a Peter Parker in Miles’ dimension who’s life beats Miles is supposedly doomed to repeat (though he probably stole them from him when he died prematurely) The point is the event has to happen, like a rule, the circumstances of it aren’t set. Probably if The Spot hadn’t shown up, it would’ve happened when Alchemax activated the Collider on their own. The events are also tied to a dimension so any interference on a Multiversal scale has a chance, not a 100% chance but a chance to fundamentally screw up the event. Now, there are obvious holes in logic in what we know. How is Miguel entering another dimension to live the life of his dead counterpart him breaking a canon event? How come Miles’ universe didn’t get destroyed when he became an anomaly? What’s the deal with Gwen changing her dad’s fate at the end when he decides to resign? You could find explanations around those but they’re clearly setup to introduce a reveal that will alter the way we understand the concept.
Miguel O’Hara It’s pronounced MIG-L Miguel I feel like you would know this since you watched the movie and had enough time to make a video on said movie Like not to be disrespectful or anything, but mispronouncing a characters name can be off putting
The ending of the video encapsulates why the perspective of the people about determinism is so misguided. Determinism ain't nihilistic. In fact, it consolidates the idea of the conection between all things. Everything being neccesary. Everything meaning something. The overrating of freedom is result of actually the evil within us (that is if we consider evil as selfishness) because being determined is being dependant of the other and the other of you. Maybe that's also the point of love as selflessness?...
It's odd because only the spiderverse is affected by canon events. Obviously it's just a plot point for a story but if it were true that anomalies do harm to the universes they exist in then the whole spider society is doing harm by continuing to interact
I really like your video but I couldnt care less about determinism, even if our acts of free will are determined by our nature and nurture, we can still make those choices. So being negative about it is meaningless... With this I'm saying uhh, I like that Miles is doing the right thing since clearly Miguel has no idea what he's doing (he refuses to see the contradictions to why the multiverse is damaged because of his trauma, I can't wait to see how the next movie tackles it all)
Yeah I kinda wish Miguel was fleshed out more in this movie, he came off a bit one not, but nonetheless the threat he poses to Miles is really strong. I agree, it’ll be interesting to see what’s revealed with his character in part two
@@mintrommovies I was a little worried but we did get to see him being a great Spider-man when he wasn't being irrational, I think they won't dissappoint and his arc will be great
This is a damn good summary of my only issue with the film. fate is rather overplayed and I loved how they toyed with the idea of it, however I'm still waiting on beyond to entirely break the formula. I watched the flash recently and it handled time travel, multiverse shit, AND fate TERRIBLY so it's great to see mainstream movies like spiderverse use these usually bad tropes to its advantage yk?
I couldn't watch the video cuz the way you say Miguel :(
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Miguwel 💀💀
I had the same thoughts when it came to the entire concept of the canon events, with the whole cause and effect thing going on, and thinking the idea that every single spider man across the multiverse has to experience all these exact events just seems very implausible and inconsistent with how the multiverse should work.
I doubt Miguel is lying about it though, I have a feeling maybe that he’s just misinformed due to what he experienced when he destroyed the other universe. That had to have happened because Peter B and a bunch of other spider people were there during the event when that universe died, no doubt they probably wouldn’t want to test that any further at the risk of potentially destroying another entire universe.
That's also my head canon (pun intended lol). They do that to make Miguel an antagonist for ATSV because Spot is set up to be the big bad in beyond the spiderverse
That cop would probably have been in danger even if The Spot hadn’t been there.
That’s the point of "The Web of Life and Destiny" and "the Canon" it’s not a timeline, it’s a set of abstract events.
"A police captain close to Spider-Man dies trying to protect a kid while Spider-Man fights a nemesis."
Any set of circumstances can lead to these events. Miguel is Spider-Man 2099, supposedly his dimension’s Peter Parker went through the exact same events. Hell, there was a Peter Parker in Miles’ dimension who’s life beats Miles is supposedly doomed to repeat (though he probably stole them from him when he died prematurely)
The point is the event has to happen, like a rule, the circumstances of it aren’t set.
Probably if The Spot hadn’t shown up, it would’ve happened when Alchemax activated the Collider on their own.
The events are also tied to a dimension so any interference on a Multiversal scale has a chance, not a 100% chance but a chance to fundamentally screw up the event.
Now, there are obvious holes in logic in what we know. How is Miguel entering another dimension to live the life of his dead counterpart him breaking a canon event? How come Miles’ universe didn’t get destroyed when he became an anomaly? What’s the deal with Gwen changing her dad’s fate at the end when he decides to resign?
You could find explanations around those but they’re clearly setup to introduce a reveal that will alter the way we understand the concept.
Miguel O’Hara
It’s pronounced MIG-L Miguel
I feel like you would know this since you watched the movie and had enough time to make a video on said movie
Like not to be disrespectful or anything, but mispronouncing a characters name can be off putting
mi-gwell
I love these short essay-esque videos keep it up
Meegoo-el
The ending of the video encapsulates why the perspective of the people about determinism is so misguided. Determinism ain't nihilistic. In fact, it consolidates the idea of the conection between all things. Everything being neccesary. Everything meaning something. The overrating of freedom is result of actually the evil within us (that is if we consider evil as selfishness) because being determined is being dependant of the other and the other of you. Maybe that's also the point of love as selflessness?...
It's odd because only the spiderverse is affected by canon events. Obviously it's just a plot point for a story but if it were true that anomalies do harm to the universes they exist in then the whole spider society is doing harm by continuing to interact
If Miles is the original anomaly then does that mean no one we see in the movie traveled to another universe before King pin activated the collider?
Why are you saying Migwel
I really like your video but I couldnt care less about determinism, even if our acts of free will are determined by our nature and nurture, we can still make those choices. So being negative about it is meaningless... With this I'm saying uhh, I like that Miles is doing the right thing since clearly Miguel has no idea what he's doing (he refuses to see the contradictions to why the multiverse is damaged because of his trauma, I can't wait to see how the next movie tackles it all)
Yeah I kinda wish Miguel was fleshed out more in this movie, he came off a bit one not, but nonetheless the threat he poses to Miles is really strong. I agree, it’ll be interesting to see what’s revealed with his character in part two
@@mintrommovies I was a little worried but we did get to see him being a great Spider-man when he wasn't being irrational, I think they won't dissappoint and his arc will be great
you aren't in control of any choices if determinism is true
Wake up babe, mintrom drop 🎉🎉
This is a damn good summary of my only issue with the film. fate is rather overplayed and I loved how they toyed with the idea of it, however I'm still waiting on beyond to entirely break the formula. I watched the flash recently and it handled time travel, multiverse shit, AND fate TERRIBLY so it's great to see mainstream movies like spiderverse use these usually bad tropes to its advantage yk?
Yeah totally. Can’t wait to see how awful flash is for myself
@@mintrommovies please come back and tell me if it was any good. I feel like i'm going insane being the only one that hated it.
Glad to see u return, Mintrom.
Cheers dude, video on the idol coming next ;)