There is a bow that will instantly make you a better shot and it's called a straight end longbow. That is why Hill used a longbow. Hill used the Mediterranean draw and never used 3 under. I shot my first deer with a Howard Hill longbow when I was 16 YO. The deer was running full out and jumped an 8 ft. ditch. My arrow hit him in the shoulder and went through the shoulder blade and into his spine, downing him instantly. I could never have hit him with any other bow.
Excellent information and VERY well explained. I am just getting back into traditional, not shooting much since I was a kid. This video clarifies so much and was immensely useful. Thank you.
I prefer to use face-walking to bring my arrow closer to my eye, than raising the shelf. This keeps the nock point centered better and puts equal pressure on the limbs. I’m speaking from shooting self-bows that I can make myself. I do 100% agree with making sure you get better at close ranges and forget about worrying about longer ranges when starting off. Not sure about shooting a 700 grain arrow for hunting though :-). To each his own I guess.
"Everybody gap-shoots" This is 100 percent true. Everybody aims one way or another, they just have different versions of it. The gap is either a conscious or subconscious reference for where you need to hold for the trajectory of the arrow to intersect the spot you want to hit. Good shooting starts with proper, REPEATABLE form, well tuned equipment, and shooting often to maintain muscle memory.
@@jeremylong6229 That's right. Many archers refuse to believe bows can be shot well without using sights or reference marks to "aim" the arrow at their spot. What they don't realize is "instinctive" shooters are aiming by subconsciously lining up the arrow to specific points such as the bow arm locked straight and the anchor being fixed firmly to the face. Then, all it takes is training the brain to repeat this motion exactly and repeatedly, therefor, you need good form to be a good instinctive shot. Whether you look at the tip of the arrow or not, one way or another, we are all aiming or else nobody would be able to hit what they are looking at.
James Cooper videos exist of people shooting in a pitch black environment at a lit up target and being accurate... which totally de bunks the sub conscious aiming theory. Their is a treason I can take a full length arrow and a cut down arrow and hit the same spot with them. If I were using the tip of the arrow as a reference point one would be higher than the other
Jeremy Long Thank you! I was just thinking of that when I came across your comment. In total darkness, you’re not lining up a damn thing, and there are archers who can do this.
I'm a Mechanic who is Imagining I'm an Archer. I get what you're saying. I can tell the experience of a skilled tech by watching them use their tools. Unskilled mechs standout like a noob trying to nock an arrow. 😆 Thanks for the insight. Good material.
I'm still an amateur/moderate at archery but I find that the more I try to consciously gap shoot (concentrate on finding the correct gap for the distance I'm shooting) the worse I do. If I just draw and quickly "feel" it's right and loose my arrow, i do MUCH better. It's hard to explain, and I know I'm gap shooting, but it is only partially conscious. I have to NOT think so much about the details of my aiming and cut loose when it feels right.
Boo-Not meaning to impinge upon another's channel and I must preface by saying that the vision in my left eye is much worse than my right eye. I would teach youngsters by having them fix their eyes on a spot then close their eyes and without moving their head and eyes, point at the spot then open their eyes. They are quite surprised that they are pointing at the spot. This demonstrates the natural ability to point. Now the way my father taught me is simple- There is a 'V' formed by the arrow shaft and the sight window (side of the bow) as the arrow is drawn. I quite consciously keep the "spot' in that "V' as I draw the last 4-5 inches. At full draw I cant the bow and my head then release. Now, if I don't cant the bow, at 30 yds my arrows will group 5-6 inches left, so canting is obviously bringing the tip of the arrow to the right but I don't see it because I'm looking at the 'spot'. This is obviously the Unconscious or Natural Pointing part. I'm sure there is some super mini camera that can be mounted in the point of an arrow to verify this. Howard Hill said that putting 3 arrows into a 3 inch circle at 30 yards is very good shooting. Consciously pointing the arrow somewhere else to hit a 'spot' might have worked for Horace Ford in 1850 but sadly it never worked for me.
Where do you get a modern recurve bow in the 200lb @30"? I currently pulling 140lbs@32" but i am striving to break Mark Stretton's Guiness record with a recurve instead of an english longbow. I cant even buy a bow above 140lbs. Do you know any suppliers that will make this recurve bow for me?
Historical Archery Joe Gibbs does! Look him up on Facebook. He specializes in shooting very heavy longbows and he makes extremely heavy pull longbows and recurves.
I may know some guy in the Netherlands who can do that for you,. But I can inagene that's quite far. Also, never expected to see you here. Good Luck with your draw weight record, but please don't get injured doing it. I heard story's about english longbow shooters who shot #100 and above and they got n archery injury, so they couldn't shoot above #30 for the next couple years. For me that seems like hell, so take care it doesn't happen to you! Stay healthy!
Wow I used the same theory when reloading my competition pistol rounds 20 years ago. Only it was the longer the distance the more gunpowder. I didn’t even think to use the same theory for archery.
I watched in one of your vids about your Beowulf from white wolf wasn't completely to your liking.i was curious if you could expand on that.i was considering one.
Need some help with arrow selection for my wife. In the process of getting a bow but want to get an arrows right for her. 25” draw @ 35 to 40# draw weight. Any suggestions please would help.
Tex, big fan. You should start lifting weights so that you can pull that 100lbs. bow. I don’t have a problem with it but if others do then a weight training program will help you be able to pull back any string! Have a good weekend thar, Tex!
Well In howards day we didn't have the technology to build a consumer recurve that was stronger. At the upper draw weights the limbs of a recurve are as stable was a longbow but you really don't see it until you get up to the 70lb draw range and up. A recurve tends to for since I won't claim to know have faster arrow speed than a longbow. But a longbow tends to be more torq proof asfaras your shots go. thanks for watching.
I understand split vision, but I can not do it. I have nueroprocessing issues that my brain will switch to just my right eye. I am left eye dominant but when I try to aim with both eyes open my brain focuses my right eye and my left eye just sees a cloud. So I see in a tunnel vision that I can not actually aim because I lose depth perception. Therefore I have to close my left eye to aim. I can shoot left handed, but the same situation happens just my brain focuses on my left eye instead of my right still a tunnel vision with no depth perception. So I close one eye and have developed my own way of aiming sighting the arrow with my eye and my three fingers contacting the string about a finger and a half below the arrow to anchor at the corner of my mouth. I don't really know how to explain what I do to someone else because it isn't actually string walking. My fingers and anchor and arrow position never change, I move where the point of the arrow is in relation to the target. The way I sight the fletching actually serves as a range finder also. I have developed my technique since I was 9 years old and I am 44 now. I don't even know if my way could work for someone else that doesn't have the neuroprocessing issue I have.
Sorry guy, but you have many things wrong about Howard. One, he did not aim with his non-dominant eye. According to John Schulz, whom I have discussed these things numerous times, Hill was more instinctive than mechanical. He used the eye over the arrow in an acknowledgment level of aim at most. His target methods included point of aim methods, he replaced a physical point of aim with an imaginary point of aim and then proceed to develop an automatic response through experience, which is something people develop through consistent form and experience, even shooting instinctive. In an aggressive hunting situation that 'imaginary' point will need to move with the position changes of the shooter and the game in the process of the shot. The aiming method merely shortens the learning curve. The major trick, if it is one, is refined focus control and being able to use peripheral vision, and that is accomplished by having a steady focus on a single spot. If the eyes are dancing all around, so is the information leading to the brain.John told me that during his years with Hill that he was instinctive on trick shots. Hill used normal weight arrows and high speed cameras to film moving arrows. The cameras were heavy. The basic thing with being able to use secondary aiming in any situation is to have absolute control of the eyes and even then it is best if it remains at an acknowledgement level and not carried into a mechanical step by step procedure. Perhaps Hill had a better visual memory than most, he certainly had refined hand /eye skills, but so do many others. My bows shoot in the 170 plus fps range, my point on is from 54 to 64 yards. At 40 to 45 yards the crown of my head ferrule on a deer comes just under it chest with a level shot. At less than 30 yards the crown of the ferrule of the head is on the ground. I have discussed this with John and he said that it was the same for him and Hill. When Hill spoke of his 'gaps' he was referring to yardages that were near point on. The bow hand rises slightly ahead of the drawing hand and finishes in a straight back motion. That is where the acknowledgement takes place in the aim. Shooting at near point on, anyone will, at first, notice the gauged distance and gap from even an 'imaginary' aiming reference, but in short while that will get grooved in and become an automatic response, as long the form remains consistent.
Yeah this backwoods POS is a fraud, Howard Hill didn't shoot like that at all. Schulz even warned us about morons like this guy trying to fake what Howard taught.
Its annoying. People I've known that find out I taught myself guitar would ask if I could teach them. It led to arguments, loss of friends, and a whole mess of other dumb problems. At this point when people ask. The only education I can give is this. "If you realllllly wanna do it..... you'll figure it out on your own"
Hey this video is pretty good, well done. However, saying they technology for slow motion didn't exist in the 1940's or other eras when Howard Hill filmed those demonstrations isn't correct. Slow motion for film has existed since pretty much the advent of film cameras. Even at the earliest stages, undercranking and overcranking a camera resulted in fast or slow motion. Just because they couldn't created The Matrix doesn't mean they couldn't do slow motion. But, you don't need a random jerk commenter on RUclips to tell you all this stuff. You can do your own research and come to your own conclusions. Keep up the good work on your videos.
Okay, you seem to know more about what you are talking about than anyone else I see on youtube. Not saying some are not too bad ... but here you go ... I'm 60 yrs old ... an expro wrestler 270 lbs. and neither of my arms will straighten out ... at 6'5" I have a wing span of a flying dinosaur but really can only pull back to about 26" (My left arm was broken at the elbow in a match & my right can't straighten out due to heavy lifting and bone chips in it.) I certainly can't pull back a heavy weight bow now with my bad joints ... so hear is my question: I have 2 cheap 40lb bows I just bought from WISH (one a recurve & one a straight pull.) I have a one pin sight on one with a brush ... but I have no friggin idea how to aim the damn thing ...can you help me? Is my disabilities from physical abuse going to make archery a no go thing? I just want to shoot decent and hit a bulls eye once in awhile, but I'm like pathetic and killing my shed rather than hitting the target ... my wife is pissed ... pleased help if you can ...
Hi Joe, you can definitely shoot well with some guidance (and perhaps the right bow). Any physical constraints you may have just need taking into consideration. I know of a guy who draws a bow with his teeth! (he lost an arm in a motorbike accident). A bow does not need to be heavy to get accurate results. I suggest finding a local club/another archer and get some tuition/guidance. Best of luck in your archery journey
@@nathanpartin7197 I wrote that a year ago when I just started prick, not wasting anyone's time as there was never a response except your asshole comment. Thanks for your non help...
I’m an experienced archery and it’s Zzzzzz to watch, there is plenty of ways to inform people to shoot better, this is painful to listen too. Appreciate the video but Archery 101 channel is a good channel on this subject.
Best video I have seen explaining split vision shooting! Great job, keep the Trad videos coming!
There is a bow that will instantly make you a better shot and it's called a straight end longbow. That is why Hill used a longbow. Hill used the Mediterranean draw and never used 3 under. I shot my first deer with a Howard Hill longbow when I was 16 YO. The deer was running full out and jumped an 8 ft. ditch. My arrow hit him in the shoulder and went through the shoulder blade and into his spine, downing him instantly. I could never have hit him with any other bow.
Excellent information and VERY well explained. I am just getting back into traditional, not shooting much since I was a kid. This video clarifies so much and was immensely useful. Thank you.
I prefer to use face-walking to bring my arrow closer to my eye, than raising the shelf. This keeps the nock point centered better and puts equal pressure on the limbs. I’m speaking from shooting self-bows that I can make myself. I do 100% agree with making sure you get better at close ranges and forget about worrying about longer ranges when starting off. Not sure about shooting a 700 grain arrow for hunting though :-). To each his own I guess.
"Everybody gap-shoots" This is 100 percent true. Everybody aims one way or another, they just have different versions of it. The gap is either a conscious or subconscious reference for where you need to hold for the trajectory of the arrow to intersect the spot you want to hit. Good shooting starts with proper, REPEATABLE form, well tuned equipment, and shooting often to maintain muscle memory.
James Cooper no it's not true.. people who haven't put the time in to shoot "instinctively" just refuse to believe it
100% on point james.
@@jeremylong6229 That's right. Many archers refuse to believe bows can be shot well without using sights or reference marks to "aim" the arrow at their spot. What they don't realize is "instinctive" shooters are aiming by subconsciously lining up the arrow to specific points such as the bow arm locked straight and the anchor being fixed firmly to the face. Then, all it takes is training the brain to repeat this motion exactly and repeatedly, therefor, you need good form to be a good instinctive shot. Whether you look at the tip of the arrow or not, one way or another, we are all aiming or else nobody would be able to hit what they are looking at.
James Cooper videos exist of people shooting in a pitch black environment at a lit up target and being accurate... which totally de bunks the sub conscious aiming theory. Their is a treason I can take a full length arrow and a cut down arrow and hit the same spot with them. If I were using the tip of the arrow as a reference point one would be higher than the other
Jeremy Long Thank you! I was just thinking of that when I came across your comment. In total darkness, you’re not lining up a damn thing, and there are archers who can do this.
I'm a Mechanic who is Imagining I'm an Archer. I get what you're saying. I can tell the experience of a skilled tech by watching them use their tools. Unskilled mechs standout like a noob trying to nock an arrow. 😆 Thanks for the insight. Good material.
Nice video...I never thought of shooting a heavier arrow. Will try and see how it works out.
I'm still an amateur/moderate at archery but I find that the more I try to consciously gap shoot (concentrate on finding the correct gap for the distance I'm shooting) the worse I do. If I just draw and quickly "feel" it's right and loose my arrow, i do MUCH better. It's hard to explain, and I know I'm gap shooting, but it is only partially conscious. I have to NOT think so much about the details of my aiming and cut loose when it feels right.
Boo-Not meaning to impinge upon another's channel and I must preface by saying that the vision in my left eye is much worse than my right eye. I would teach youngsters by having them fix their eyes on a spot then close their eyes and without moving their head and eyes, point at the spot then open their eyes. They are quite surprised that they are pointing at the spot. This demonstrates the natural ability to point. Now the way my father taught me is simple- There is a 'V' formed by the arrow shaft and the sight window (side of the bow) as the arrow is drawn. I quite consciously keep the "spot' in that "V' as I draw the last 4-5 inches. At full draw I cant the bow and my head then release. Now, if I don't cant the bow, at 30 yds my arrows will group 5-6 inches left, so canting is obviously bringing the tip of the arrow to the right but I don't see it because I'm looking at the 'spot'. This is obviously the Unconscious or Natural Pointing part. I'm sure there is some super mini camera that can be mounted in the point of an arrow to verify this. Howard Hill said that putting 3 arrows into a 3 inch circle at 30 yards is very good shooting. Consciously pointing the arrow somewhere else to hit a 'spot' might have worked for Horace Ford in 1850 but sadly it never worked for me.
I'm new to bows in general and I thank you for these videos mate great for beginners. Cheers from New Zealand
I hope I can help you. feel free to be in touch over instagram.
Tex it's been a while since I've seen any of videos. But as always you Rock brother!
I like the detail using arrows in Howard Hills cresting style.
Tex grebner would be my companion in farcry 100% of tge time😂
Very insightful. Thanks.
GREAT video!!
Pretty good advice.
Where do you get a modern recurve bow in the 200lb @30"? I currently pulling 140lbs@32" but i am striving to break Mark Stretton's Guiness record with a recurve instead of an english longbow. I cant even buy a bow above 140lbs. Do you know any suppliers that will make this recurve bow for me?
Historical Archery Joe Gibbs does! Look him up on Facebook. He specializes in shooting very heavy longbows and he makes extremely heavy pull longbows and recurves.
I may know some guy in the Netherlands who can do that for you,. But I can inagene that's quite far. Also, never expected to see you here. Good Luck with your draw weight record, but please don't get injured doing it. I heard story's about english longbow shooters who shot #100 and above and they got n archery injury, so they couldn't shoot above #30 for the next couple years. For me that seems like hell, so take care it doesn't happen to you! Stay healthy!
Blue Bowman. I met a guy that farted during a 140# bow draw and he was never the same. Hope this helps.😼
Wow I used the same theory when reloading my competition pistol rounds 20 years ago. Only it was the longer the distance the more gunpowder. I didn’t even think to use the same theory for archery.
I watched in one of your vids about your Beowulf from white wolf wasn't completely to your liking.i was curious if you could expand on that.i was considering one.
Where you been brother! Hope all is going well for you.
howard was weak eyed dominate thats what makes it work
Energy isn't created or destroyed. But stored and converted into motion. Don't you just Love recovery.
I think shield cut feathers are louder than parabolic cut.
Soo?? Could you explain how to hear color please.. that would be great.
😅
Need some help with arrow selection for my wife. In the process of getting a bow but want to get an arrows right for her. 25” draw @ 35 to 40# draw weight. Any suggestions please would help.
I don't have a bunch of experience but possibly a .600 spine.
Tex, big fan. You should start lifting weights so that you can pull that 100lbs. bow. I don’t have a problem with it but if others do then a weight training program will help you be able to pull back any string! Have a good weekend thar, Tex!
He does live feed savage workout videos daily on Instagram
SolidSnakeArchery I don’t watch the girly IG!
Lol, brutal.
Check my videos pulling 140lbs @32"
Is a recurve stronger than a longbow? If so why did Howard only shoot longbows like when he killed big animals
Well In howards day we didn't have the technology to build a consumer recurve that was stronger. At the upper draw weights the limbs of a recurve are as stable was a longbow but you really don't see it until you get up to the 70lb draw range and up. A recurve tends to for since I won't claim to know have faster arrow speed than a longbow. But a longbow tends to be more torq proof asfaras your shots go. thanks for watching.
Anyone ever tell you you're voice sounds just like Ruthless Robbie Lawler?
I understand split vision, but I can not do it. I have nueroprocessing issues that my brain will switch to just my right eye. I am left eye dominant but when I try to aim with both eyes open my brain focuses my right eye and my left eye just sees a cloud. So I see in a tunnel vision that I can not actually aim because I lose depth perception. Therefore I have to close my left eye to aim. I can shoot left handed, but the same situation happens just my brain focuses on my left eye instead of my right still a tunnel vision with no depth perception. So I close one eye and have developed my own way of aiming sighting the arrow with my eye and my three fingers contacting the string about a finger and a half below the arrow to anchor at the corner of my mouth. I don't really know how to explain what I do to someone else because it isn't actually string walking. My fingers and anchor and arrow position never change, I move where the point of the arrow is in relation to the target. The way I sight the fletching actually serves as a range finder also. I have developed my technique since I was 9 years old and I am 44 now. I don't even know if my way could work for someone else that doesn't have the neuroprocessing issue I have.
Sorry guy, but you have many things wrong about Howard. One, he did not aim with his non-dominant eye. According to John Schulz, whom I have discussed these things numerous times, Hill was more instinctive than mechanical. He used the eye over the arrow in an acknowledgment level of aim at most. His target methods included point of aim methods, he replaced a physical point of aim with an imaginary point of aim and then proceed to develop an automatic response through experience, which is something people develop through consistent form and experience, even shooting instinctive. In an aggressive hunting situation that 'imaginary' point will need to move with the position changes of the shooter and the game in the process of the shot. The aiming method merely shortens the learning curve. The major trick, if it is one, is refined focus control and being able to use peripheral vision, and that is accomplished by having a steady focus on a single spot. If the eyes are dancing all around, so is the information leading to the brain.John told me that during his years with Hill that he was instinctive on trick shots. Hill used normal weight arrows and high speed cameras to film moving arrows. The cameras were heavy. The basic thing with being able to use secondary aiming in any situation is to have absolute control of the eyes and even then it is best if it remains at an acknowledgement level and not carried into a mechanical step by step procedure. Perhaps Hill had a better visual memory than most, he certainly had refined hand /eye skills, but so do many others. My bows shoot in the 170 plus fps range, my point on is from 54 to 64 yards. At 40 to 45 yards the crown of my head ferrule on a deer comes just under it chest with a level shot. At less than 30 yards the crown of the ferrule of the head is on the ground. I have discussed this with John and he said that it was the same for him and Hill. When Hill spoke of his 'gaps' he was referring to yardages that were near point on. The bow hand rises slightly ahead of the drawing hand and finishes in a straight back motion. That is where the acknowledgement takes place in the aim. Shooting at near point on, anyone will, at first, notice the gauged distance and gap from even an 'imaginary' aiming reference, but in short while that will get grooved in and become an automatic response, as long the form remains consistent.
Yeah this backwoods POS is a fraud, Howard Hill didn't shoot like that at all.
Schulz even warned us about morons like this guy trying to fake what Howard taught.
Its annoying. People I've known that find out I taught myself guitar would ask if I could teach them.
It led to arguments, loss of friends, and a whole mess of other dumb problems.
At this point when people ask. The only education I can give is this.
"If you realllllly wanna do it..... you'll figure it out on your own"
Well said... On all points.
Hey this video is pretty good, well done. However, saying they technology for slow motion didn't exist in the 1940's or other eras when Howard Hill filmed those demonstrations isn't correct. Slow motion for film has existed since pretty much the advent of film cameras. Even at the earliest stages, undercranking and overcranking a camera resulted in fast or slow motion. Just because they couldn't created The Matrix doesn't mean they couldn't do slow motion. But, you don't need a random jerk commenter on RUclips to tell you all this stuff. You can do your own research and come to your own conclusions. Keep up the good work on your videos.
Alright Tex, never mind the bollocks. Please tells use you have been in a stand trying your poetic heart out to cure the Whitetail Curse.
Fucking genius! Lol
Okay, you seem to know more about what you are talking about than anyone else I see on youtube. Not saying some are not too bad ... but here you go ... I'm 60 yrs old ... an expro wrestler 270 lbs. and neither of my arms will straighten out ... at 6'5" I have a wing span of a flying dinosaur but really can only pull back to about 26" (My left arm was broken at the elbow in a match & my right can't straighten out due to heavy lifting and bone chips in it.) I certainly can't pull back a heavy weight bow now with my bad joints ... so hear is my question:
I have 2 cheap 40lb bows I just bought from WISH (one a recurve & one a straight pull.) I have a one pin sight on one with a brush ... but I have no friggin idea how to aim the damn thing ...can you help me? Is my disabilities from physical abuse going to make archery a no go thing? I just want to shoot decent and hit a bulls eye once in awhile, but I'm like pathetic and killing my shed rather than hitting the target ... my wife is pissed ... pleased help if you can ...
Hi Joe, you can definitely shoot well with some guidance (and perhaps the right bow). Any physical constraints you may have just need taking into consideration. I know of a guy who draws a bow with his teeth! (he lost an arm in a motorbike accident). A bow does not need to be heavy to get accurate results. I suggest finding a local club/another archer and get some tuition/guidance. Best of luck in your archery journey
If you want to do it you'll find a way, if you make excuses quit wasting yours and everyone's time and quit
@@nathanpartin7197 I wrote that a year ago when I just started prick, not wasting anyone's time as there was never a response except your asshole comment. Thanks for your non help...
Rex kwando😂
I’m an experienced archery and it’s Zzzzzz to watch, there is plenty of ways to inform people to shoot better, this is painful to listen too. Appreciate the video but Archery 101 channel is a good channel on this subject.