That speciale moment than ALL the left-wing party decide to unite to form a big one, only to only be keep together by sheer spite and hatred for the other party who manage to do thing on their own
Incorrect. As [20th-century intellectual you have never heard of] writes in their book (which is only available in its original language), there should be at least five.
@@slender-grip-lebanon-taller Okay. Well, America doesn't have the influence in Europe that it used too also it's lot easier to get things done when there is unity among European states at least at the EU level.
Everything after the 5min mark of this video is a HIGHLY inaccurate depiction of what happening here. First, the no-confidence vote that got rejected isn't from Melenchon; he isn't an MP right now. It was voted by France Unbowed, the Greens, the Communists, and some Socialist MPs. France Unbowed isn't the only left party condemning the socialist restraint at the no-confidence vote; both the Communists and Greens are also not happy with Faure's decision. Also, as you said, Melenchon isn't the NFP leader, he is the unofficial leader of France Unbowed but not at the National Assembly. One thing that you didn't mention even once in this video as to "why" the Socialists and especially Faure are acting like this, is the upcoming Socialist congress that will decide who will become the leader of the party. The socialists are split almost 50/50 between the Faure camp and the Hollande camp. Faure is seen as an NFP-sympathetic socialist (so more leftwing) while Hollande is in favor of reaching to the center and maybe even trying to reconquer the center-left abandoned by Macron's agenda becoming more and more rightwing. This Congress is a very high risk for Faure who might lose his job, he is trying to create distance between him and France Unbowed to appease the center-left of the party. Faure is in an all-in situation, especially at a time when the center-left of the socialist is gearing up for the next elections, with François Hollande and Raphaël Glucksmann both trying to take the lead for the presidential election running on an anti-Melenchon platform while Faure has always been an advocate for a single left candidate in 2027 (tho he isn't a fan of Melenchon himself). Also, the 7:15 comment about the presidential election, while true, does not paint a complete picture. Before the 2027 elections, there will be the 2026 municipal elections, which are really important for the left as they directly decide who is elected to the Senate, an election in which the socialist leadership is being challenged for the first time in decades. Right now the Socialists are in a difficult situation, most of the anti-NFP socialists are actual socialist mayors of big cities like Hidalgo in Paris or Payan in Marseille and they fear an alliance between France Unbowed and the Greens to take over the remaining big cities (back in 2020 they managed to conquer a lot of biggest cities of the country like this with Lyon, Strasbourg and Bordeaux). The 2027 election is obviously something that everybody on the left is thinking about but the priority right now is the 2026 municipal elections, and the tensions are already at an all-time high. Depending on the results it will completely change the way the left will go into the 2027 elections, if the center-left socialists maintain their hold on the big cities they will probably not be united for 2027. But if France Unbowed and the Greens actually manage to win a couple of big cities, let's say Paris, Toulouse, and Marseille, then the balance of power will shift in favor of Melenchon. That's why the key election that is explaining the current tension within the NFP and within the socialist party is the 2026 election. Also, categorizing France Unbowed as far-left might be true in the UK context where everything more left of the labour party is considered far left, in France's context it's absolute nonsense. The French far-left has a history and a clear definition, it strictly refers to the non-reformistts parties, which France Unbowed isn't. They're a reformist, republican, classic left-wing party. The radical left might be a good middle ground if you prefer, but the far-left are Trotskyist parties like Lutte Ouvrière, the Nouveau Parti Anticapitalist, Révolution Permanente or even some anarchist organizations like the UCL and Action Directe.
Should have been Macron laughing though. Le Pen cannot be more happy to see the failure of the Macron government, especially if her party does not directly cause it.
A few things to clarify: 1) Mélenchon said that the Socialists were "no longer partners", but in the same breath that they were "circumstantial allies". It's a weird way to put it, but this clearly means that he does _not_ want to fracture the alliance -- even though he probably wishes he _could_ (and likes to use that threat). If the left really split, Macron could seize the opportunity to call snap elections once again, hoping to take advantage of leftist divisions to have a shot at getting an absolute majority once again. That was essentially his (mis)calculation in his previous gamble. Even though he promised not to do it again, I don't think anyone trusts him on that. 2) From the Socialists' perspective though, Bayrou is a much better Prime minister than Barnier. Barnier was from the Republicans, the Socialists' old archnemesis, while Bayrou's centrist party has always been much friendlier to them. Bayrou even once supported Socialist candidate François Hollande against Republican candidate Nicolas Sarkozy during the runoff of the 2012 presidential election. And Bayrou did concede them a few things. This means that the Socialists can hope to sell some improvement to their electorate. Having said that, they're still too fragile to stand on their own in a legislative election, and would still need to form a union with France unbowed in such an event. 3) Now this _could_ all change if Bayrou and his government manage to pass a law to make the next legislative election proportional. In this case, the Socialists wouldn't need to be allied to anyone. That would free them. For some reason though they don't seem too keen on the idea. Maybe some remember their old glorious days of absolute majorities with nostalgia, but thinking they could pull it off once again would be delusional.
It's worth asking how much of the promises made by the Socialists were genuine. Some measures like the scrapping of the decision to fire 4000 teachers, net zero were promises already made by the previous Barnier government. Additionaly because they want a budget that doesn't cause more debt what will cancelled will be taken by new econimies elsewhere. Unfortunately the former president Hollande seems to be as delusional as You point out. I can only hope he's dismissed and ridiculed. Finally the Party is on the verge of splitting Faure was elected with just a very meager 51% of the vote in the last socialist congress. His adversary was anti Mélenchon and anti NUPES. Faure's decision should be seen as appeasing the elephants still in the Party (Hollande among them) to remain first secretary in the next congress in April. Many of the youths of the party fiercely disagree with the Party's decision not to censure
Is proportional representation in France something that could happen in the near future? I thought it was an eternal election promise that is never fullfilled
@johannes123abc4 It looks unlikely now for several reasons. The RN wants a 50 % gain for the winner of legislative elections in essence an election similar to the U.K The central Bloc and the Left will never accept that because of the majority it would give the RN. Then this alliance goes against the interests of France Unbowed because without a two turn legislative elections their left leaning allies would no longer need their support. Finally the French right who's part of the government is opposed to it because they opposed it since their formation in the 1950's and 1960 due to the fact that every party that makes a small percentage would have representatives making majority building even more difficult than now.
@ Well, Bayrou has advocated for proportional representation his whole life, and he's now the Prime minister. There is also a majority of MPs who are nominally in favor. Although the exact formula could be a source of contention. Fact is, with a political landscape split in 3, uninominal elections by constituency are much more dangerous, and each party can risk near obliteration every time. Plus, Bayrou sort of needs this, because his party would then be more independent from Macron's. And, more than anything, taking away any prospective of 1 block getting an absolute majority would also alleviate the risk of Macron trying to call snap elections once more, and this in turn would solidify Bayrou's power relative to Macron. So I think they _might_ be smart enough to go for it. If it ends up being blocked, sure enough one party that has blocked it will bitterly regret it, and rather sooner than later.
France Unbowed is not far left. they're literally compromising with the communists, they are not marxists or anarchists themselves. also, if you're refering to Weimar, the social-democrats relied on the paramilitary freikorps, a far right group, to crush communist led strikes. the spartakist strikers were not at fault when the liberals couldn't stand to see them asking for ownership of their means of work and higher wages proportional to their work (rather than having to pay a boss like he's a man in the middle)
Well, you should be careful because LFI (France Unbowed) is not far left, but hard/radical left. It must also be said that the Socialist Party is questioning their political strategy, especially because they are divided and their latest internal reunion ended up in a 36-30 vote in favor of non-voting the motion. The no confidence motion was by the way voted by all the other Left parties and even some socialist MPs decided to go against the party's official line with 8 of them voting the motion anyway. The divisions within the party are deep, between the slight majority that is in favor of the Left coalition (NFP) which is mostly the new generation and urban/sub-urban ones, and in the other hand the righter wing of the party that is more keen on breaking up with LFI (which they see as repellent) and is composed of the so called "elephants", historic figures of the party that were mostly responsible for the party's collapse in 2017 because of their involvement in the unpopular Hollande's presidential term. Their positioning is more center-left, hence it explains why they did pretty well in terms of ranking during the European elections with Glucksmann (which is the archetype of center-left that is Macron-friendly) by taking some part of the Ensemble potential electorate (and that's why Ensemble did way worse than before). Keep in mind that Macron's interest is also to tear the left parties apart, especially by pushing for a divorce between the PS and LFI. Socialist in favor of NFP (left) : Chloé Ridel, Pierre Jouvet, Olivier Faure, Fatiha Keloua-Hachi, Dieynaba Diop... Socialist less favorable (center-left) : François Hollande, Raphael Glucksmann (not a PS technically but yk), Carole Delga, Jerome Guedj...
I think what's going to happen is: the anglosphere will get closer together in a multi-polar world, the EU countries will have their own bloc, Russia, China Iran....India neutral
@@somer573 that mean the center ally with the "moderate left" so Macron win. Wich many on the left will se as a betrayal, something like 70% of the people want an end to the pansion reform and they just ditch the coalition in the hope to gain seats. I'm far from pro LFI (the party of melanchon) as melanchon is a d*uchbag, but on this one the socialist just prove their reputation of traitors, the left was supposed to remain united to form a big block to offer an alternative to the far right, aligning with the most unpopular president for a power grab is just playing in the far right hands. So yea in the end you are right it also mean le pen win sadly
Unlikely because if the budget is the same as Barnier they may decide to censure the PM once again. Also there is also the LIOT political group (Libertés, Indépendants, Outremer et Territoires) that has enough deputies to vote the censure without the socialists A representative said that they would consider censure if the budget for the Outremer departments is lowered and if there's not a change in the pension reform passed last year. Finally it would worth asking if this stability will really do the country good if we continue with the same economic policies that brought us that much debt
I like that Ben Blissett wore a horizontally stiped, blue and white 'Breton Shirt' to cover a French topic. Next time I hope to see him wearing a beret as well. 😉
There’s a card called the trump card (no relation to trump) that that automatically defeats any card because it amounts to you calling your opponent “literally hi-ler”
@@goldenfiberwheat238 How would a specific action being KERRYed out? This would be HILLARYous! Who is paying the BILL? Does somebody become amBUSHed? Who has adVANCEd? Somebody could WALZ down another one´s thesis!
@@goldenfiberwheat238 However, he should be careful to play that card, because the opponent might have the "protesters in France" trap card hidden in the field
@@the_washingmachine1295 have French protestors ever actually gotten what they wanted? They passed that pension reform bill even though there were mass riots
A very important part that (I think) wasn't clear in the video: Had the PS voted the motion of no confidence, the government would have survived as the RN gave the votes needed anyway. I think this important because otherwise it seems that the PS saved the government. In fact, the government didn't really need them to be saved as RN would have not voted the no confidence vote. In my opinion, the PS is being smart by approaching the independent voters who would be interested in them but see a problem with regards to Melenchon's LFI. Melenchon is a bit making a nothing-burger because either way, the PS growing in seats would still make him a strong actor is a leftwing alliance. More votes for NFP helps him more than it hurts him. But that's my view.
I find it questionable if the PS can win many Ensemble voters as the media and government have started a smear campaign against France Unbowed and more generally any program that somewhat breaks from neoliberal orthodoxy its only a matter of time before this rheroric is turned against the rest of the French left
The PS isn't being particularly smart, as splitting now from the NFP in favor of a government that's not well liked by french people to appear more "reasonable" and to touch "independent voters" (I don't know what you mean, but they're not touching any disaffected voter, at most older or right wing voters that in truth would not vote for the PS). Staying in the alliance, appearing as it's leader and as the reasonable ones here would've worked much better to rehabilitate their image to left wing voters. Now they have shown their true colors, and we'll anybody that had doubts will now continue to vote for the green party if they're for a more "reasonable" left, and the others will just continue to follow France unbowed due to them never trusting the PS in first place. Let's not forget why the PS is in this position currently, they lost their hegemony due to their non left wing policy during the Hollande presidency. He is a very much disliked person in the left, even though journalists love him for some reason. The part of their voters that didn't care about left wing policy left with Macron to the center party, and will probably still follow them for the next elections. We'll have to see what's gonna happen now, but France unbowed hopes for the PS to split to call them traitors, and the rest of the parties are waiting in a similar manner. It's an annoying waiting that's caused by Emanuel macron's prime minister choice.
You make a lot of good points. The thing I'm trying to get at is that the NFP can try to widen their voter base. Some people would vote for LFI and never PS, the reverse is true too. I personally think, the PS is doing the right thing *for them* because they are reaching out to more voters. If the NFP wants to govern, they will need more voters (btw LFI also does everything it can to attract more voters as well). The only issue I have with the LFI "traitor's" narrative is that it will make it harder to stand behind one program, like what happened earlier in the year. I think that the left could benefit in not doing any friendly fire and instead focus on playing "good cop/ bad cop" with the government. NFP has its position because of LFI and PS and everyone else in the alliance. That was a real victory for the left in France, one they want to replicate (and do even better).
@@ohimats I think the ability for the PS to reach center leaning voters is limited. It happened during the european elections but these elections are always the exception rather than the norm. Plus with how much media propaganda has been made against France Unbowed and more generally any left leaning movement that is critical of neoliberalism. It's good to ask whether this electorate can still see the PS as an option or how much it has been radicalised towards the right and is beyond reach (in my opinion). The PS signed an agreement that they then reneged. Additionaly Olivier Faure is seeking reelection as The Socialist Party's first secretary, his recent turn to the center should be viewed as him seeking to appease the old Elephants of the party (Hollande being one of them). I wouldn't expect much from the government first they had "Les cahiers de doléances" that followed the "Grand Débat" that were completely ignored, then 2022 legislative elections, then the European elections and finally the legislative elections in 2024. The center and right under president Macron and PM Bayrou is not ready to compromise they've made that very clear. They are obsessed with their holy neoliberal doctrine. To conclude I really resent that sort of stability blackmail the government is practising. Saying to other opposition parties : "You may not like this budget but we'll accuse You of being irresponsible for not passing a budget even though we are in the minority and we normally wouldn't be able to pass this budget ".
The NFP started to fracture from the get-go, it has never been a credible alliance for government as it was once again based on coercitive strategies from France Unbowed over the other parties. The NFP splitting has always been only a matter of time depending on how Melenchon could force its "allies" to stay together through threats and intimidation.
They didnt' "Split", they are simply different parties. It's all too normal they don't have the same strategy all the time. The NFP still exists. It was never a becoming-one or doing-the-same-thing. What will matter is unity for the next presidential election.
Hello TLDR, as a French citizen I would like to correct an error you systematically make in your videos on French politics. La France Insoumise is not a far-left party. It is only presented as such by its political opponents and the media in order to decriminalize and demonize it. Yet France Insoumise's program is not far-left, nor is its ideology. It's a left-wing party. For example, if we compare their ideas with the program of the Socialist Party and its president François Mitterrand in the 1970s-80s, France Insoumise appears far less radical, and in fact like a completely classic left-wing party. Moreover, the Conseil d'Etat, France's highest administrative court, issued a ruling in March 2024 (a few months before the 2024 European and legislative elections), stating that France Insoumise could not be considered a far-left party, but a left-wing party. I also think to remember that you mentioned the Rassemblement national as a right-wing party in a previous video (I'm not sure about this point). This same court decision declared that the Rassemblement National was indeed an extreme right-wing party. And if you think about it, this party was founded by a Waffen-SS and still embodies a racist ideology and against the rule of law, so it makes sense. I hope this comment reaches you :)
It actually has a good chance, Presidential Elections are always personality contests more than big platform endorsement, and Attal is very popular actually.
can't see that happening tbh. france has decent politics, we won't let the same guy do it again, because we're not in a "bipartisan" duopoly of right-wing parties
@metalicarus8372Additionaly Macron has done a real disservice to his potential successor because people will start to question economic choices not mention its party has been on the decline in the last few elections not to mention the increasong factionalism on the party it will be hard to move back up again Though with the media trying to scare the populace against the French left I'm afraid it could work. Another insufferable center right vs far right second turn 😢😢😢😢
Mélenchon is no longer a deputy and is no longer the leader of the La France Insoumise party, even if he has influence over it. So the censures and alliances don't come from him.
No left wing parties want revolution, armed guerilla or planned economy anymore. Plenty of right wing parties have strong links with literal nazis and promote ethnic supremacism, election denialism, reactionnary viewpoint impopular even amogn the right.
france got a far left , they are call partie communiste francais, melechon isnt far left , he is from a breakaway party who was part of the socialist party , the main leftist party in france when Miterrand was in charge
Je résume en tant que français : en gros tous les électeurs de gauche sont pour l'union de la gauche (du PS aux PCF) mais les parties / personnalités sont plus réticentes.
One interesting point to highlight is that contrary to Barnier, Bayrou has always been in favour for Proportional Vote in Legislative Elections, there is a good chance that he will introduce it before the next anticipated snap election next July. If it passes, then the electoral alliances like NUPES and NFP would be rendered moot and the Socialists would have a good chance at getting ahead of France Unbowed.
He won't even try. That kind of thing requires a constitutional change. And getting the full parliement not just the Assembly to vote for it will be impossible. Plus as PM there are so many things to do before even considering that. The first is to resolve the budget crisis and that alone is a multiple year plan.
they have no real chance to get ahead. and if they do, they will simply bite into the right's part. they are "hard centrists", meaning they don't advocate for any leftist policies (and always turn to the right), ergo they will fail to garner leftist support in due time
Despite TLDR’s admirable objectivity’s on the vast majority of issues, the channel continues to elide discussion of antisemitism on the left. Melenchon, like Corbyn, has repeatedly been accused of antisemitism. And yet in videos specifically discussing either of these leaders, it either goes unmentioned or, in Corbyn’s case, we get mention of failing to hold the party accountable for it rather than his own history. I’m a Too Long subscriber and a big fan of the channels. As this issue and some coverage around the Israel are the only times I feel I can detect a strong editorial line, I feel it’s important to bring up.
Because its dumb actively criticizing corbyns supposed antisemtismesm relentlessly has resulted in a gutted labour party and the rise of reform since the working class left labor when it became clear labor existed purely for the elites with out corbyn.
Yet, it's just accusations that are thrown in the air Mélenchon never ever got in trouble with the law, while, for example, Le Pen did have multiple troubles with the law Saying Isreal is doing a genocide and saying sionisme can't work isn't being antisemitic, it's called stating facts
It's pretty obvious that the accusations are just "these people we don't want in charge are antisemetic, just trust us bro". And the sheep eat it up. If the media actually cared about hatred and prejudice, then why is there never any mention of actual racism by right-wing figures which has solid proof behind it? The media in the UK went so wild with "Corbyn is antisemetic, no we wont give proof, just trust us bro" that it completely destroyed his life. Yet, absolutely NOTHING about Johnson's comments on Muslims or books he's literally written with racist stereotypes. Hmm....
French Politics trying to stabilize: Impossible
It's about the chance as peace in the Balkan, and they all get along. Or Germany to forgive Greece's debt.
To be fair, left-wing parties always had a tendency at going at each other.
@manana1444 And so do right wing parties lmao, the further you go in either directions, the less cooperative and compromising they get.
@@JaegerDreadfulnot really tbh. Right wing groups tend to unite around their shared conservatism.
That speciale moment than ALL the left-wing party decide to unite to form a big one, only to only be keep together by sheer spite and hatred for the other party who manage to do thing on their own
Has the French left Split? I didn't even know that they were in Croatia to begin with...
good one😂
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thats fucking funny mate
😂😂 good one
I don't get it
Two leftists walk into a bar.
Three factions emerge
Incorrect. As [20th-century intellectual you have never heard of] writes in their book (which is only available in its original language), there should be at least five.
And if they are jewish leftwingers nine factions form.
The Sino-Soviet split and it's consequences have been a disaster for the leftist movement
5 Emerge until every split again because they can’t decide on some shit and now their are 10
Looking at how fractured the left is in Israel.This is not far off.
Leftists try to stay united for more than 2 seconds challenge impossible)
The right never even tried to be fair
More like “closet centrists stop donning socialist costumes because they like the social approval they gain”
Just the french in general
Do you support the people front of Judea or the judean peoples front
@@JZTechEngineering what's the difference
Your getting bots now, that means the channel is becoming more popular
Just means you’re early to a vid
@@luisthoppil6163 The right wing is getting strong in Europe though. Bots or not that won't matter.
@@luisthoppil6163 yup
@@Swedishpolymath imho they are populst not right wing - they say what gets them votes, without any backbone
@@slender-grip-lebanon-taller Okay. Well, America doesn't have the influence in Europe that it used too also it's lot easier to get things done when there is unity among European states at least at the EU level.
Everything after the 5min mark of this video is a HIGHLY inaccurate depiction of what happening here.
First, the no-confidence vote that got rejected isn't from Melenchon; he isn't an MP right now. It was voted by France Unbowed, the Greens, the Communists, and some Socialist MPs. France Unbowed isn't the only left party condemning the socialist restraint at the no-confidence vote; both the Communists and Greens are also not happy with Faure's decision. Also, as you said, Melenchon isn't the NFP leader, he is the unofficial leader of France Unbowed but not at the National Assembly.
One thing that you didn't mention even once in this video as to "why" the Socialists and especially Faure are acting like this, is the upcoming Socialist congress that will decide who will become the leader of the party. The socialists are split almost 50/50 between the Faure camp and the Hollande camp. Faure is seen as an NFP-sympathetic socialist (so more leftwing) while Hollande is in favor of reaching to the center and maybe even trying to reconquer the center-left abandoned by Macron's agenda becoming more and more rightwing.
This Congress is a very high risk for Faure who might lose his job, he is trying to create distance between him and France Unbowed to appease the center-left of the party. Faure is in an all-in situation, especially at a time when the center-left of the socialist is gearing up for the next elections, with François Hollande and Raphaël Glucksmann both trying to take the lead for the presidential election running on an anti-Melenchon platform while Faure has always been an advocate for a single left candidate in 2027 (tho he isn't a fan of Melenchon himself).
Also, the 7:15 comment about the presidential election, while true, does not paint a complete picture. Before the 2027 elections, there will be the 2026 municipal elections, which are really important for the left as they directly decide who is elected to the Senate, an election in which the socialist leadership is being challenged for the first time in decades. Right now the Socialists are in a difficult situation, most of the anti-NFP socialists are actual socialist mayors of big cities like Hidalgo in Paris or Payan in Marseille and they fear an alliance between France Unbowed and the Greens to take over the remaining big cities (back in 2020 they managed to conquer a lot of biggest cities of the country like this with Lyon, Strasbourg and Bordeaux). The 2027 election is obviously something that everybody on the left is thinking about but the priority right now is the 2026 municipal elections, and the tensions are already at an all-time high. Depending on the results it will completely change the way the left will go into the 2027 elections, if the center-left socialists maintain their hold on the big cities they will probably not be united for 2027. But if France Unbowed and the Greens actually manage to win a couple of big cities, let's say Paris, Toulouse, and Marseille, then the balance of power will shift in favor of Melenchon.
That's why the key election that is explaining the current tension within the NFP and within the socialist party is the 2026 election.
Also, categorizing France Unbowed as far-left might be true in the UK context where everything more left of the labour party is considered far left, in France's context it's absolute nonsense. The French far-left has a history and a clear definition, it strictly refers to the non-reformistts parties, which France Unbowed isn't. They're a reformist, republican, classic left-wing party. The radical left might be a good middle ground if you prefer, but the far-left are Trotskyist parties like Lutte Ouvrière, the Nouveau Parti Anticapitalist, Révolution Permanente or even some anarchist organizations like the UCL and Action Directe.
Why?
Thank you for explaining the situation, was a bit dissapointed in the lack of nuance of reporting.
excellent explanation. tldr should pin this comment to apologize and make up for their shortcomings in the video
they have an obvious centrist bias in this channel, pretty clear for anyone to see. thank you for the info
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Le Pen laughing in the background
Should have been Macron laughing though. Le Pen cannot be more happy to see the failure of the Macron government, especially if her party does not directly cause it.
I’m dying at that Melechon Yigioh card
Maybe Trump can trade his new shiny Charizard card for it...
Who would use a normal card nowadays without supporting spell 😂
Worst, a blue eyed white dragon wannabe with one star ripped ...
A few things to clarify:
1) Mélenchon said that the Socialists were "no longer partners", but in the same breath that they were "circumstantial allies". It's a weird way to put it, but this clearly means that he does _not_ want to fracture the alliance -- even though he probably wishes he _could_ (and likes to use that threat). If the left really split, Macron could seize the opportunity to call snap elections once again, hoping to take advantage of leftist divisions to have a shot at getting an absolute majority once again. That was essentially his (mis)calculation in his previous gamble. Even though he promised not to do it again, I don't think anyone trusts him on that.
2) From the Socialists' perspective though, Bayrou is a much better Prime minister than Barnier. Barnier was from the Republicans, the Socialists' old archnemesis, while Bayrou's centrist party has always been much friendlier to them. Bayrou even once supported Socialist candidate François Hollande against Republican candidate Nicolas Sarkozy during the runoff of the 2012 presidential election. And Bayrou did concede them a few things. This means that the Socialists can hope to sell some improvement to their electorate. Having said that, they're still too fragile to stand on their own in a legislative election, and would still need to form a union with France unbowed in such an event.
3) Now this _could_ all change if Bayrou and his government manage to pass a law to make the next legislative election proportional. In this case, the Socialists wouldn't need to be allied to anyone. That would free them. For some reason though they don't seem too keen on the idea. Maybe some remember their old glorious days of absolute majorities with nostalgia, but thinking they could pull it off once again would be delusional.
It's worth asking how much of the promises made by the Socialists were genuine.
Some measures like the scrapping of the decision to fire 4000 teachers, net zero were promises already made by the previous Barnier government.
Additionaly because they want a budget that doesn't cause more debt what will cancelled will be taken by new econimies elsewhere.
Unfortunately the former president Hollande seems to be as delusional as You point out.
I can only hope he's dismissed and ridiculed.
Finally the Party is on the verge of splitting Faure was elected with just a very meager 51% of the vote in the last socialist congress.
His adversary was anti Mélenchon and anti NUPES.
Faure's decision should be seen as appeasing the elephants still in the Party (Hollande among them) to remain first secretary in the next congress in April.
Many of the youths of the party fiercely disagree with the Party's decision not to censure
Is proportional representation in France something that could happen in the near future?
I thought it was an eternal election promise that is never fullfilled
@johannes123abc4 It looks unlikely now for several reasons.
The RN wants a 50 % gain for the winner of legislative elections in essence an election similar to the U.K
The central Bloc and the Left will never accept that because of the majority it would give the RN.
Then this alliance goes against the interests of France Unbowed because without a two turn legislative elections their left leaning allies would no longer need their support.
Finally the French right who's part of the government is opposed to it because they opposed it since their formation in the 1950's and 1960 due to the fact that every party that makes a small percentage would have representatives making majority building even more difficult than now.
Melenchon Ego killed the alliance
@ Well, Bayrou has advocated for proportional representation his whole life, and he's now the Prime minister. There is also a majority of MPs who are nominally in favor. Although the exact formula could be a source of contention. Fact is, with a political landscape split in 3, uninominal elections by constituency are much more dangerous, and each party can risk near obliteration every time.
Plus, Bayrou sort of needs this, because his party would then be more independent from Macron's. And, more than anything, taking away any prospective of 1 block getting an absolute majority would also alleviate the risk of Macron trying to call snap elections once more, and this in turn would solidify Bayrou's power relative to Macron.
So I think they _might_ be smart enough to go for it. If it ends up being blocked, sure enough one party that has blocked it will bitterly regret it, and rather sooner than later.
This is very common in leftwing parties for some reason always fighting eachother or having a civilwar.
Same with right wing
They came together to hate the small country in the Middle East and then dispersed...talking about the Eurropean anti-Semitic mentality
@@runajain5773 both sides have problems w ideological puritanism but its a much bigger issue for the left
4:15 I tribute my two France Unbowed MPs to tribute summon: Framce Unbowed Leader Jean Luc Melenchon, then I play pot of greed to draw 2 cards
Damn wasting a tribute summon on non effect monster
@starseeker1334 it could be like the first parts of yugioh where effect monsters were rare and lots of tributes were big damages like Dark Magician
Slava BAGUETTE 🥖 Geroyam Croissant 😮
Meta
The left and splitting? Name a better couple
Centrists and enabling fascism
@adamo1242 touch grass
French and splitting
@@KieranSmith16ok. And stop touching kids
@KieranSmith16 I do, and what I said is true
>far left beefing with the maistream left while the far right rises
hmmmmm i think i have seen this movie before
It's a classic
France Unbowed is not far left. they're literally compromising with the communists, they are not marxists or anarchists themselves.
also, if you're refering to Weimar, the social-democrats relied on the paramilitary freikorps, a far right group, to crush communist led strikes.
the spartakist strikers were not at fault when the liberals couldn't stand to see them asking for ownership of their means of work and higher wages proportional to their work (rather than having to pay a boss like he's a man in the middle)
@metalicarus8372 k sure buddy
Weimar Republic?
@@kaiserteddie9564 The French Council of State has actually designated LFI as a left-wing party (and not a far left) and the RN as a far right party.
*sigh* here we go again.
Every french knows that the NFP is an alliance of convenience and that the split would come from LFI and the parti socialiste.
Wow! A large Left coalition has broken up, no one could've seen this coming.
Don't worry, they come back together when they want to spread hatred against Israel.
They haven't comoletely broken up yet, the vote on the budget will decide if they do or not.
Well, you should be careful because LFI (France Unbowed) is not far left, but hard/radical left.
It must also be said that the Socialist Party is questioning their political strategy, especially because they are divided and their latest internal reunion ended up in a 36-30 vote in favor of non-voting the motion. The no confidence motion was by the way voted by all the other Left parties and even some socialist MPs decided to go against the party's official line with 8 of them voting the motion anyway. The divisions within the party are deep, between the slight majority that is in favor of the Left coalition (NFP) which is mostly the new generation and urban/sub-urban ones, and in the other hand the righter wing of the party that is more keen on breaking up with LFI (which they see as repellent) and is composed of the so called "elephants", historic figures of the party that were mostly responsible for the party's collapse in 2017 because of their involvement in the unpopular Hollande's presidential term. Their positioning is more center-left, hence it explains why they did pretty well in terms of ranking during the European elections with Glucksmann (which is the archetype of center-left that is Macron-friendly) by taking some part of the Ensemble potential electorate (and that's why Ensemble did way worse than before).
Keep in mind that Macron's interest is also to tear the left parties apart, especially by pushing for a divorce between the PS and LFI.
Socialist in favor of NFP (left) : Chloé Ridel, Pierre Jouvet, Olivier Faure, Fatiha Keloua-Hachi, Dieynaba Diop...
Socialist less favorable (center-left) : François Hollande, Raphael Glucksmann (not a PS technically but yk), Carole Delga, Jerome Guedj...
don't expect this channel to cover these types of nuances. big centrist bias here
@@recoilAbs Center bias 🤨 My man came up with new terminology
Glucksmann's party being Place Publique within NFP
I don't see any difference, they are all anti-Semitic European parties.
far left more or less means hard/radical left
Striped shirt for the video on France, nice 👌
He just needs to hold a cigarette and take occasional drags off it.
I love your content just as much as I ever did, but I really miss your old intro. It was so good!
Better a melanchon than a starmer.
I think what's going to happen is: the anglosphere will get closer together in a multi-polar world, the EU countries will have their own bloc, Russia, China Iran....India neutral
For all the talk of the right being divided, the left sure know how give them a run for their money every fucking time.
So, what's the differences in policy & ideology between the 4 parties?
If they split up, we may finally go out of that political deadlock since June.
THAT MEANS LE PEN WINS
@@somer573 that mean the center ally with the "moderate left" so Macron win. Wich many on the left will se as a betrayal, something like 70% of the people want an end to the pansion reform and they just ditch the coalition in the hope to gain seats. I'm far from pro LFI (the party of melanchon) as melanchon is a d*uchbag, but on this one the socialist just prove their reputation of traitors, the left was supposed to remain united to form a big block to offer an alternative to the far right, aligning with the most unpopular president for a power grab is just playing in the far right hands.
So yea in the end you are right it also mean le pen win sadly
Unlikely because if the budget is the same as Barnier they may decide to censure the PM once again.
Also there is also the LIOT political group (Libertés, Indépendants, Outremer et Territoires) that has enough deputies to vote the censure without the socialists
A representative said that they would consider censure if the budget for the Outremer departments is lowered and if there's not a change in the pension reform passed last year.
Finally it would worth asking if this stability will really do the country good if we continue with the same economic policies that brought us that much debt
@@somer573 What's the difference, they're all anti-Semitic
I like that Ben Blissett wore a horizontally stiped, blue and white 'Breton Shirt' to cover a French topic. Next time I hope to see him wearing a beret as well. 😉
Every episode he becomes progressively more french.
4:15 politicians card game when?
There’s a card called the trump card (no relation to trump) that that automatically defeats any card because it amounts to you calling your opponent “literally hi-ler”
@@goldenfiberwheat238
How would a specific action being KERRYed out?
This would be HILLARYous!
Who is paying the BILL?
Does somebody become amBUSHed?
Who has adVANCEd?
Somebody could WALZ down another one´s thesis!
@@goldenfiberwheat238 However, he should be careful to play that card, because the opponent might have the "protesters in France" trap card hidden in the field
@@the_washingmachine1295 have French protestors ever actually gotten what they wanted? They passed that pension reform bill even though there were mass riots
I was not expecting a Yu-Gi-Oh card lmao
A very important part that (I think) wasn't clear in the video: Had the PS voted the motion of no confidence, the government would have survived as the RN gave the votes needed anyway. I think this important because otherwise it seems that the PS saved the government. In fact, the government didn't really need them to be saved as RN would have not voted the no confidence vote.
In my opinion, the PS is being smart by approaching the independent voters who would be interested in them but see a problem with regards to Melenchon's LFI. Melenchon is a bit making a nothing-burger because either way, the PS growing in seats would still make him a strong actor is a leftwing alliance. More votes for NFP helps him more than it hurts him. But that's my view.
I find it questionable if the PS can win many Ensemble voters as the media and government have started a smear campaign against France Unbowed and more generally any program that somewhat breaks from neoliberal orthodoxy its only a matter of time before this rheroric is turned against the rest of the French left
The PS isn't being particularly smart, as splitting now from the NFP in favor of a government that's not well liked by french people to appear more "reasonable" and to touch "independent voters" (I don't know what you mean, but they're not touching any disaffected voter, at most older or right wing voters that in truth would not vote for the PS). Staying in the alliance, appearing as it's leader and as the reasonable ones here would've worked much better to rehabilitate their image to left wing voters. Now they have shown their true colors, and we'll anybody that had doubts will now continue to vote for the green party if they're for a more "reasonable" left, and the others will just continue to follow France unbowed due to them never trusting the PS in first place.
Let's not forget why the PS is in this position currently, they lost their hegemony due to their non left wing policy during the Hollande presidency. He is a very much disliked person in the left, even though journalists love him for some reason. The part of their voters that didn't care about left wing policy left with Macron to the center party, and will probably still follow them for the next elections. We'll have to see what's gonna happen now, but France unbowed hopes for the PS to split to call them traitors, and the rest of the parties are waiting in a similar manner. It's an annoying waiting that's caused by Emanuel macron's prime minister choice.
You make a lot of good points.
The thing I'm trying to get at is that the NFP can try to widen their voter base. Some people would vote for LFI and never PS, the reverse is true too. I personally think, the PS is doing the right thing *for them* because they are reaching out to more voters. If the NFP wants to govern, they will need more voters (btw LFI also does everything it can to attract more voters as well).
The only issue I have with the LFI "traitor's" narrative is that it will make it harder to stand behind one program, like what happened earlier in the year. I think that the left could benefit in not doing any friendly fire and instead focus on playing "good cop/ bad cop" with the government. NFP has its position because of LFI and PS and everyone else in the alliance. That was a real victory for the left in France, one they want to replicate (and do even better).
@@ohimats I think the ability for the PS to reach center leaning voters is limited.
It happened during the european elections but these elections are always the exception rather than the norm.
Plus with how much media propaganda has been made against France Unbowed and more generally any left leaning movement that is critical of neoliberalism.
It's good to ask whether this electorate can still see the PS as an option or how much it has been radicalised towards the right and is beyond reach (in my opinion).
The PS signed an agreement that they then reneged.
Additionaly Olivier Faure is seeking reelection as The Socialist Party's first secretary, his recent turn to the center should be viewed as him seeking to appease the old Elephants of the party (Hollande being one of them).
I wouldn't expect much from the government first they had "Les cahiers de doléances" that followed the "Grand Débat" that were completely ignored, then 2022 legislative elections, then the European elections and finally the legislative elections in 2024.
The center and right under president Macron and PM Bayrou is not ready to compromise they've made that very clear.
They are obsessed with their holy neoliberal doctrine.
To conclude I really resent that sort of stability blackmail the government is practising.
Saying to other opposition parties :
"You may not like this budget but we'll accuse You of being irresponsible for not passing a budget even though we are in the minority and we normally wouldn't be able to pass this budget ".
"Well, the last one may not be real", nor are the others.
The situation is still much more stable than what's going on in the US!
France isn't happy, without turmoil in politics and goverment 🤷🏻♀️
As a leftist my annoyance with the left not being able to stay united for 3 seconds is immeasurable.
Im french and I love how you guys explain french politics
the do such a shit job though. very biased, understand fuck nothing of politics. I'd recommend channels like "Pure Politique"
@metalicarus8372then why do u watch and comment
@@Banigoat based response
wait a second, have they ever been united?
They have ! And, then, the alarm clock went off.
socialist party has always been a traitor. these fuckers can't stand by their political program even when three other parties do, its telling
Yes, they have been united since October 7, you know, anti-Semitism Europeans
The French Council of State has designated LFI as a left-wing party (and not a far left)
The NFP started to fracture from the get-go, it has never been a credible alliance for government as it was once again based on coercitive strategies from France Unbowed over the other parties.
The NFP splitting has always been only a matter of time depending on how Melenchon could force its "allies" to stay together through threats and intimidation.
Not me finding it pretty funny that, when it cuts to Ben, we see he’s wearing a rather French-looking sweater
They didnt' "Split", they are simply different parties. It's all too normal they don't have the same strategy all the time. The NFP still exists. It was never a becoming-one or doing-the-same-thing. What will matter is unity for the next presidential election.
great timing lads 🙄
Ben looking like he's going to steal my Big Mac today
Left wing and splitting, name a more iconic duo, ill wait.
Imagine calling your party NOOBS
Yeah, the way TLDR chooses to pronounce the name is pretty wild.
Hello TLDR, as a French citizen I would like to correct an error you systematically make in your videos on French politics.
La France Insoumise is not a far-left party. It is only presented as such by its political opponents and the media in order to decriminalize and demonize it.
Yet France Insoumise's program is not far-left, nor is its ideology. It's a left-wing party. For example, if we compare their ideas with the program of the Socialist Party and its president François Mitterrand in the 1970s-80s, France Insoumise appears far less radical, and in fact like a completely classic left-wing party.
Moreover, the Conseil d'Etat, France's highest administrative court, issued a ruling in March 2024 (a few months before the 2024 European and legislative elections), stating that France Insoumise could not be considered a far-left party, but a left-wing party.
I also think to remember that you mentioned the Rassemblement national as a right-wing party in a previous video (I'm not sure about this point). This same court decision declared that the Rassemblement National was indeed an extreme right-wing party. And if you think about it, this party was founded by a Waffen-SS and still embodies a racist ideology and against the rule of law, so it makes sense.
I hope this comment reaches you :)
The nebula link does not seem to work for 40%off 😞
Isnt the sound extremely low ?
Love the Yugioh reference!
So in order to stop people who want to change your way of life, you team up with people who want to destroy your way of life. Genius.
Leftists try to maintain left wing unity challenge: Impossible.
well here the centre left moderate socdems (basically libs) broke unity, not the leftists
Advantages to having a 2 party system: you don’t have to deal with this mess.
Why are you putting Macron in the thumbnail of a video about the french left?
They don't split, they grow 🐙
Imagine if after all of this the Candidate from Macron's Party ends up President
It actually has a good chance, Presidential Elections are always personality contests more than big platform endorsement, and Attal is very popular actually.
@@LadCarmichael Edouard Philippe has a good chance of being president
can't see that happening tbh. france has decent politics, we won't let the same guy do it again, because we're not in a "bipartisan" duopoly of right-wing parties
@metalicarus8372 dude, I hope so but i'm not optimistic.
@metalicarus8372Additionaly Macron has done a real disservice to his potential successor because people will start to question economic choices not mention its party has been on the decline in the last few elections not to mention the increasong factionalism on the party it will be hard to move back up again
Though with the media trying to scare the populace against the French left I'm afraid it could work.
Another insufferable center right vs far right second turn 😢😢😢😢
how come you put a mirrored image of Macron on the thumbnail again 😂
It should have been mentioned but wasn't, the green party and communist party both signed and voted in favor of the no confidence motion
This would make a really good millennium dawn focus tree
Imagin coming 3ed and expecting everybody to bow diwn and appoint you as leader.... 😂
Wonderful
Dressings up as a mime to report on the French clowns, is a nice touch 😂
Mélenchon is no longer a deputy and is no longer the leader of the La France Insoumise party, even if he has influence over it. So the censures and alliances don't come from him.
The intro music transition is genuinely jarring
LE PENBROS WE ARE SO BACK!!!
Well that was quick
Will you make a video about Serbian student protests?
You always omit something about Mélenchon : he is NOT an elected deputy or anything anymore ! You seem to imply that he still is.
4:15 - Is that a Yu Gi Oh card? LOL.
As a right winger, we can always count on leftists infighting 😂
least dysfunctional day in french politics
I appreciate the use of mime clothing to cover the French
Aw shit, here we go again.
your beret is missing
It was going to happen anyway
Why do you use "far right" to describe right wing parties.
But not "far left" for left wing parties?
Watch again
@lotsodhliwayo
Title. And in general
Because France Unbowed is not a far left party you idiot
No left wing parties want revolution, armed guerilla or planned economy anymore.
Plenty of right wing parties have strong links with literal nazis and promote ethnic supremacism, election denialism, reactionnary viewpoint impopular even amogn the right.
france got a far left , they are call partie communiste francais, melechon isnt far left , he is from a breakaway party who was part of the socialist party , the main leftist party in france when Miterrand was in charge
Je résume en tant que français : en gros tous les électeurs de gauche sont pour l'union de la gauche (du PS aux PCF) mais les parties / personnalités sont plus réticentes.
Du PCF au RN*
Legtnot split challange: impossible
No miming?
As a far-right extremist, I cannot believe the left-wing leaves it so easy for us.
Wearing the obligatory stripey sweater to talk about France.
leon trotsky rolling in his grave rn
Name something more consistent than French politic instability
Third world invaders
Center isnt Left!
I agree. However, the center is slowly moving to the left.
Is the right wing of a 100% communist assembly not communist ?
One interesting point to highlight is that contrary to Barnier, Bayrou has always been in favour for Proportional Vote in Legislative Elections, there is a good chance that he will introduce it before the next anticipated snap election next July. If it passes, then the electoral alliances like NUPES and NFP would be rendered moot and the Socialists would have a good chance at getting ahead of France Unbowed.
He won't even try. That kind of thing requires a constitutional change. And getting the full parliement not just the Assembly to vote for it will be impossible. Plus as PM there are so many things to do before even considering that. The first is to resolve the budget crisis and that alone is a multiple year plan.
they have no real chance to get ahead. and if they do, they will simply bite into the right's part. they are "hard centrists", meaning they don't advocate for any leftist policies (and always turn to the right), ergo they will fail to garner leftist support in due time
There are not far left
Despite TLDR’s admirable objectivity’s on the vast majority of issues, the channel continues to elide discussion of antisemitism on the left. Melenchon, like Corbyn, has repeatedly been accused of antisemitism. And yet in videos specifically discussing either of these leaders, it either goes unmentioned or, in Corbyn’s case, we get mention of failing to hold the party accountable for it rather than his own history.
I’m a Too Long subscriber and a big fan of the channels. As this issue and some coverage around the Israel are the only times I feel I can detect a strong editorial line, I feel it’s important to bring up.
absolute brainrot
Because its dumb actively criticizing corbyns supposed antisemtismesm relentlessly has resulted in a gutted labour party and the rise of reform since the working class left labor when it became clear labor existed purely for the elites with out corbyn.
Who cares
Yet, it's just accusations that are thrown in the air
Mélenchon never ever got in trouble with the law, while, for example, Le Pen did have multiple troubles with the law
Saying Isreal is doing a genocide and saying sionisme can't work isn't being antisemitic, it's called stating facts
It's pretty obvious that the accusations are just "these people we don't want in charge are antisemetic, just trust us bro". And the sheep eat it up.
If the media actually cared about hatred and prejudice, then why is there never any mention of actual racism by right-wing figures which has solid proof behind it?
The media in the UK went so wild with "Corbyn is antisemetic, no we wont give proof, just trust us bro" that it completely destroyed his life. Yet, absolutely NOTHING about Johnson's comments on Muslims or books he's literally written with racist stereotypes. Hmm....
What a shambles.......
Oh boy, leftist infighting. My favorite.
Far-left is finished
It was never quite united to begin with ^^
I love watching news about the left from a left leaning RUclips channel.
Judean People's Front. We're the People's Front of Judea!
LFI stands for La France Islamiste (if they were honest)
Leftists splintering?
Im shocked....shocked I say!
well it lasted this long so thats an accomplishment i guess
Left split
It is not bounded by time-space tradition
Based. Good omen for RN in the next election
Do European parliaments ever actually pass laws?
This are no laws, but yes!
@ what
The leftists never know why they splitin the first place
thats a good thing
You'll recieve a million more migrants AND YOU'LL LIKE IT
Yes!
Melenchon isn’t far left, Even the interior minister says he is left wing
he's worse than far left - he's an extremist!
Exactly, "Lutte ouvriere" and "Nouveau partie anticapitaliste" is more closer to far left
*Even the interior minister...*
Please 🙄how can you be so gullible.
If Mélenchon is not far left, then Marine Le Pen is not far right. Leftists and their double standards...
Talk about serbian protests
nobody cares about your world leaderboard.