Judge sentences James & Jennifer Crumbley to 10-15 years in prison in Oxford High School shooting
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- A judge sentenced James and Jennifer Crumbley to 10-15 years in prison in connection to the Oxford High School shooting. Both were convicted of four counts of involuntary manslaughter after their son killed four students at Oxford High School on Nov. 30, 2021.
Buy or provide a minor with a gun….you should be held accountable for it.
they shouldn't be allowed to possess firearms after their release.
They shouldn't be released at all.
Since they're now convicted felons, that's not an issue.
and never raise a kid again they probably shouldnt even have a cat after they did their time
@@chaos-fk6fsnot even a mouse
This is a excellent Judge! She gave a lot of thought into the Crime of these Parents! Prayers that the families that are suffering can now heal !
Except she was wrong when she said it wasn’t about bad parenting.
Best part… she set a precedent.
Wait till they start throwing gang members parents in jail. Jesse Jackson will be leading some protest then. 😂
@@brew1234567891 You've really got something up your behind about the gang member thing in these comments, huh? Get back to your kkk meeting
Oh my ! I missed that part that the Judge said it was NOT about bad parenting ! THEY WERE TERRIBLE PARENTS ! Sorry about that !
By that rule then once this woke nonsense is over anyone who butchered a kid should be held accountable
Well done the judge. Good sentences.
These so-called parents didn't care about their child, only themselves. They weren't even there to offer him support when he was caught, they chose to clean out their bank accounts and run away. They had many chances to help their son, but because of their selfishness they will always be known as horrible, uncaring people who raised a murderer.
This is how the government fools the low intellect populace (more than 80 percent of Americans sadly)into believing that it´s doing something about the problem of gun violence while doing NOTHING AT ALL. Meanwhile ensuring that the NRA´s gun sales keep booming. There are still several guns in each American household and the cycle of gun violence continues.This has nothing to do with parenting or mental health help. America is bleeding in dying need of gun control and affordable healthcare that includes mental health. Yet it will do anything to prevent any change in legislation to attain this including inventing charges to jail Americans for just being their usual dumb ole selves. I have never seen a dumber country in my life.
I completely agree.
Now if they would have kept the money in the bank they'd at least have interest in 10 to 15 years now they're not going to have nothing
@@vivaldi1948 Are you ready and willing to go to prison if your child gets caught drinking underage at a party or at a friend´s house? Or are just going to forbid them from going out and leaving your sight? Once your child is out of your sight he or she is out of your control.
Slippery slope. Now parents will be on the hook for any little slap-on-the-wrist misdemeanor their kid commits
My dad was an avid hunter. He had four sons and none of us ever had access to his guns. The guns were locked up in one place and the ammunition was locked up in a steel chest in another place. None of us ever even attempted to gain access to them, we knew better.
A family member taught hunter seafety needed to own a hunting rifle in CA (1980s). One cilent's son failed the test, and was told to try agian in a few months. The parent tried to bribe my gandfather. My grandfather told them to leave, never come back.
That and I bet your Dad knew one word that these parents did not . That word is No. Sounds like your Dad did a good job raising you!
Same. Our dad taught us safety first. All four of us.
We had full access to hunting shotguns and rifles, but never would it have crossed our minds to go shoot up our school. We also were not ignored by our parents. Our issues be they physical or mental were addressed cause my parents actually raised us, unlike these people. It's sad for the kid that's never getting out of prison that his parents cared so little that this was the result. It's just that much worse that he clearly had mental health issues and in the parent's brilliance, they bought the kid a gun and left him to his own mental images. Just so terrible. I was very far from a perfect parent, but I sure as hell kept up with what went on with my kids...not every single detail, but by far enough to know what the hell was going on. This woman when presented with clear warning signs was more concerned about getting out of the school and not taking the kid so she didn't have to deal with him. Unconditional love...she should never be able to look at that kid again...ever.
My Dad used to leave loaded guns out in the open around the house. He'd come home from work, pull a gun out of his ankle holster and leave it on the kitchen table. My brother and I never got into trouble with guns because we weren't psychopathic like Ethan. Quit blaming the parents for the extraordinary, unpredictable, deviant behavior of their son.
Judge made the right sentence for them both .. 10-15 yrs .. so happy they were held accountable & their credit served means nothing .. they got a long time a head of them to think … parents do have accountability and should be held accountable..
Does that mean eligible for parole at 10 years?
@@arizonadreaming4183yeah, but I think the 865 days that Mr. Crumbly had already served will be deducted from the 10. Then I believe they have to go up against a parole board.
@lilithstribe They'll get credit for time served. @annemariefurlong5048 is misinformed.
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I hope you never have kids that wind up snapping because you're going to be in the same predictment as the crumbsley's maybe this time they'll give you a hundred years instead of 10 to 15 years
It was very telling that they each said they felt bad so they thought they shouldn't have to go to jail. But they each never took any responsibility and never said they even messed up at all.
Unfortunately, we have many more American parents who have no empathy, responsibility, or a sense of right or wrong these days. It's all about getting even, buying more guns, hating others & feeling entitled. No one is exempt here. Let us all learn from this & not turn a blind eye.🙏😔
@peacenow42 There is nothing "unloving" about the observation. In fact it was incredibly insightful, thoughtful, intelligent and based on facts and hope for the future.
@peacenow42 take it however u like, but I'm just stating the obvious! Peace out ✌️
That is BECAUSE THEY MAKE MONEY ONLINE FROM KILLINGS AND TORTURE OF CHILDREN ADULTS AND ANIMALS DEEP STATE ETC AND FEEL NOTHING FOR ANYONE AND THEY PASSED IT TO THERE CHILDREN THAT OUR GOVERNMENT ALLOWED LGBT. I AM A VICTIM OF THERE CRIMES BUT SURVIVED. NO JUSTICE OR RESTITUTION EITHER. THIS HAPPENED REPEATEDLY AS HOLLYWOOD AND THE REST OF THE WORLD DIDNT CARE. SO I TAKE MY SCARS FROM ALL THE RAPES BEATINGS KIDNAPPINGS SCARS AND BROKEN BONES FROM UNMERCIFUL TREATMENT BY ENTITLED PEOPLE AND JUST WALK ON? 😢
@peacenow42read my comment underneath yours. There a TRILLION ENTITLED
Finally, some true justice. Mrs. Crumbley was more concerned about losing her job than the people her son shot, and was more concerned about her job than she was about her son. Mr. Crumbley apparently tried to do exactly the opposite of what should have been done at every step in the history of this sad case. Mr. Crumbley bought him the gun, took him to the range, and then did not insure that the weapon and ammunition was properly secured. If Mr. Crumbly had been doing that, this most likely would not have happened. I have owned guns all my life, and I spent 25 years in the military. The actions of the Crumbleys in this matter are indeed criminal, and due justice has been served.
Oh okay I understand You were in a military and what they did was careless by not physically securing the gun careless understand the difference between careless and criminal how do you lock a gun where the kid if he wanted to could not break that lock is there a lock that's actually kid-proof? I don't know about you but I've already six kids and trust me every one of them a fucked in the head when I was growing up my father had a liquor cabinet and he put a lock on it so what I did I took the hinges off drank the liquor and filled the back up with water he didn't find out until New Year's Eve when he brought the liquor out and realized he had no liquor. The way he secured that liquor didn't they how do you secure a gun from a kid who secretly snapping wasn't openly snapping because a kid was never in trouble in school never in trouble with the law maintain good grades never had disciplinary action held a part-time job was fed everyday clothe everyday had the things that a kid needed shit he sounded better off than 80% of American kids but yet he snapped I'm sorry Don't tell me you were in a military and you know how to lock up your gun but there is no such a thing as locking securing your gun good enough for kid wants something they're going to get it let's get real here your criminalizing something that shouldn't be criminalized
@@johnadams3715 Then don't have guns in the house.
And by the way the father did lock the gun and it was in the secured place and a bullet were held separately in the hidden location The kid just knew where they were so don't listen to the prosecutor paint the picture look at the facts of the case that what's CNN or NBC acclaiming
@@johnadams3715 knowing their son was in mental distress and letting him have access to a firearm. You don't know the difference.
@@johnadams3715 It was not locked up. It was in the case the gun was purchased in, with no lock. You can watch the body cam video of when they found it. SMH. You are misinformed.
"She wouldn't do anything different". Nope that can't be out of context. If I was called & saw my daughter drew that. The school wouldn't need to give me 48 hrs. I'd be taking her for emergency mh treatment. The school did more than the parents. But when they wouldn't take him out of school, that drawing literally showed his plans. The school should've informed parents they need to contact 911 for mh emergency. Or at v least when they refused to take him home, told them they'd be calling 911. But in no way should he both been allowed back in the school. Saying "within 48 hours" this was an immediate emergency & they don't check his bag. These 2 knew he'd a gun when they saw the drawing & did NOTHING. Accessory to murder forget involuntary manslaughter. 10 - 15 yrs was def less than expected esp with judges words before. Was expecting to hear above the 15 yrs expected.
The most telling thing for me was when she said that his bedroom was so untidy that she couldn't clean anymore, and just told him to move to another room!
Yes what parent does that WTF you make your kid clean the room. Maybe then she would have found the dead and mutilated birds
@@MyLifeInTheDesert spot on!
It's about time parents are held to account.
Looks like the “mom’s” defense attorney will have to look for another “room/house mate”. Ugh
@Orli-g LOL! I bet her husband is breathing a sigh of relief. AS IF there were ever any chance that ludicrous proposition would be seriously considered.
Her husband might wanna take "half" now before there's nothing left to take. I can't imagine anybody will be lining up to have her represent them.
@@Detroit1980 😂😂😂
There were so many opportunities ignored for his parents to intervene before tragedy struck. Very sad.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 justice has been served to the families of those poor victims
For everyone guessing, headphones are assisted hearing device. He has hearing loss.
Doubtless from all his time on the shooting range.
@@MerelyGifted , exactly what I was thinking! 😁
I thought he was listening to music
Bye bye Crumbleys. 👋 Worst parents in America.
They are horrible parents. Were horrible parents. However, there are many, many horrible parents in our society today. The fact that it has not progressed to such an outcome for these unnamed parents is mere happenstance, surely.
@@SharonMartinezwell said
I’m sure there are more idiots like them. They just haven’t been caught yet.
@@SharonMartinez SO elequently and well stated. Fact.
@@SharonMartinezYes. But it establishes a precedent.
The judge is wrong.. it is about poor parenting... and it is about punishing bad parents!!! send them to prison! period. No guilt about that!
....at her lawyer's *guest house?*
She asked for house arrest...
They are defiant and not remorseful in the least.
Way to piss off a judge by suggesting or inferrinf a judge does not know his or her job in his/her prescence.
@@MichaelWarlock it will fly.
After appeals have been denied, I hope we get to hear prison phone calls between parents and son.
The judge said "no contact"
Not sure about Michigan, but many state’s prisons don’t have FOIA for phone calls, like county jails allow.
@@Orli-gyeah, I'm not sure about Minnesota either, but a few RUclipsrs are starting to release lots of these jailhouse phone calls for all to hear.
Oh please yes🙏🏻
I'm shocked. I didn't think she would sentence them to prison because she appeared to side with them. Thank goodness she did her job.
Did you hear the Mrs wanted to be released, and be able to move in the guest house of her lawyers?😂😂😂😂😂
Parents from hell
There are plenty of lousy parents out there finally doing something about it YES
And heaven help us AND the children, there are thousands just like them.
Yes your ritht here
Their past times that became their obsession
Horses , drinking & sex with strange people online took every single thought
None left for their ooopsy baby as she called him
No more guns for you!!
They really showed their true colors when they emptied their son's bank account and went on the run. Concerned about themselves way more than their son's well-being.
Yup
If you really think ppl are going to care about your freedom when your child had unfettered access to a firearm in your home that resulted in lives lost, you're sadly mistaken. If you worry this could be you, good. Do something to fix that.
Sincere condolences to the families. Excellent outcome under the dire circumstances. 🙏🙏🙏
What parents would empty there kids bak accounts no matter what they have done or where they are and ignoring mental health issues as I said parents from hell
He had no use for it.
They both deserve life in prison
I don't understand why the judge made the statement, "This is not a case of bad parents". Yes it is. Before the school incident happened, Ethan sent text messages to a friend. He was telling the friend he asked his parents for help. Also, according to the text messages, I believe he asked his parents to take him to see a doctor because of the delusional thoughts he was having. Instead of getting him help like he was requesting, they did not. I'm astonished on so many levels! Most teens are too embarrassed to even tell their parents about having such thoughts, and even more teens are concerned that if they do tell their parents about it then their parents will take them to a doctor. But here we had a teen willing to confide in his parents and WANTING them to take him to a doctor. That breaks my heart. And then, as if you can't think it can get more worse and outrageous, the father gets him a weapon. This is just shocking. It just floors me. And THEN the parents fled the city after their son was arrested. They were willing to abandon their son in the city where he was being held in jail instead of being there for him and checking in on him while he was in custody. Who does that??? What parents do that??? I mean, come on... In my opinion, given the facts of this case, these two "parents" deserved WAY more time than this judge gave them. I'm so saddened for the parents of the victims and so angry at these (seemingly) MALICIOUSLY neglectful Crumbley "parents".
Because there is no law against bad parenting.
@@NoName-ml5yk There are laws against bad behavior. Neglect by a parent is a bad thing (i.e. bad parenting). This case is an example of bad parenting. Then it can be expounded how this BAD parenting was criminal. But to say, "It's not a case of bad parenting", is not accurate.
What parents buy their 15yo kid who was all about shooting people, a hand gun. And they trained him at the shooting range. They are brainless.
At least the mom is eating well in prison so far😵💫
Well at that weight she honestly may not make it 15 more years. I’m guessing high triglycerides, high cholesterol, inactivity, bad food, and lack of exercise could take decades off your life and maybe even cause cancer
why wouldn't they show the parents' reactions, what's the point of putting the camera on the judge?
Well said! This judge gave both the defendants a lot of leeway throughout the trial!
this will be overturned on appeal. This is an emotional conviction -- Zero credible basis.
Lol your so wrong just stfu
How wrong you are. Times are changing.
Another insane day in Babylon. The teenager should be going to prison not his parents.
Their son, is also a victim of their inaction, and neglect to do their jobs as parents. He’ll miss out on a normal life. He obviously had mental issues, I hope he’s getting the help he needs, unfortunately, it’s at the taxpayers expense.
@peacenow42 probably felt if his parents wouldn't believe him no one would...my thoughts...I don't know..
Ethan was obsessed with internet torture videos, was building bombs and killing birds. There's also the fantasies he wrote in his journal. He was a budding psychopath and he's hoodwinked many into thinking he's the victim here.
@peacenow42-- Unfortunately, children and teenagers don't always do things in a way that makes logical sense. We ALL wish the son had asked the school for help, but the greater responsibility was with the parents.
And the son was smart enough to reach out to his parents multiple times, and to text and talk to them about his hallucinations -- but they only laughed at him and ignored his concerns.
When a child's own parents have made him feel embarrassed and ashamed for asking for help from them, that child will almost always also be reluctant to ask for help at school .
There's a reason we don't hold children and teenagers to the same expectations as adults .
@peacenow42 -- He was tried as an adult because of the severity of the crime. Not because he has reached the neurodevelopmental level of an adult yet. Which is one of the concerns that educated people have about trying children as adults for their crimes.
@peacenow42 -- as someone who's been through med school and grad school I'm very surprised that a peds nurse has that attitude about trying children as adults. As parents we are supposed to be looking out for our kids and getting them care, and then includes being able to figure out some stuff that children might not be able to express yet on their own, even as teenagers. These parents had a child who had such insight into his own disease that he asked for help directly. They ridiculed him. You should understand why he might not have asked for help at school.
So if the son had mental illness why was he sentenced to life instead of guilty by mental illness so he could get help. Now hes just rotting in prison forever
Because mental illness doesn’t mean a lack of knowledge that what you are doing is wrong. It doesn’t mean a lack of intent. He should be in prison for the rest of his life. Would you want your kids out in the world with him ?
@@MyLifeInTheDesert spot on! Such a shame that Michigan doesn't have the death penalty because Ethan Crumbley is the poster boy for it!
Google mentally incompetent
Such a sad case.
Didn’t the shooting happen like 3 years ago? They’re still not in jail?
The sentence was light 🙄
Since I'm not familiar with all the facts in the case, I can't really comment on their guilt or innocence. However, I would like to pose this question to those that have followed the case from the begging. Hypothetically speaking, let's say the kid was 22, and it wasn't a school. The parents actions remained the same. Do the parents get charged, or, because he's an adult, is he the only one charged???
Can anybody tell me what crime they committed? In the USA, don’t you have to be convicted of a crime to be given a prison sentence?
I know sad times in America once known as land of the free. Do any parents of the kids robbing and murdering in your typical city go to jail for their kids? This opens a road can’t go down, bad precedent has been set.
They were convicted of involuntary manslaughter. Their actions made them complicit in what their son did.
Involuntary manslaughter. They were fully aware of his mental health issues and instead of getting him help they bought him a gun.
Bad decision to take the parents to trial
@@pamyonash9624 no, it was the right decision. They knew their kid was a time bomb and did nothing.
I can't help but worry for the judge. At what point will judges have to be anonymous? These people should be who Trump is calling "animals".
Well, the headset show did not help, i bet he will not wear them in jail.
I doubt if they want to have any contact with their son, other than to tell hin how much they hate him.
Try not to think. The network will do that for you.
They should appeal
This is idiotic blaming the parents for the son shooting those kids. Then put all those parents in jail whos kids kill innocent people from DUI.
Cars aren't guns.
OMG .. so glad judge prayed before sentencing… phleeease Move on
Why did he do it?
Take into account they tried to run away like little bitches
🎉🎉🎉
I think I misunderstood the verdict. I saw 10 to 15 years each defendant. Is that per manslaughter charge or just 10-15 years per parent?
Please don't make fun of me , like I said I think I misunderstood.
I'm not certain, but I think it's total time per parent.
Just in case it wasn't obvious...they are BIG Trump fans. Big.
Keep politics out of this please! This not the place for that nonsense!
Who made you King of RUclips.
No one.
I"ll say what I want.
They loved Trump and all the crazy, now bankrupt, Michigan republicans and their adulation of guns and claims that all gun control laws are somehow going to CAUSE deaths.
If you think mass shootings and school shootings aren't a political subject...well just go and ask the parents of the dead children from Sandy Hook whether THEY agree with you. BIG HINT: They don't.
Good sentences.
Now, in no way do I feel bad for these two and agree the inaction of these two was bizarre and constitute criminal neglect. But does anyone find it terrifying and hypocritical that these prosecutors and here in US Courts……a person was charged, tried, and sentenced to life as an adult and THEN his parents are charged and convicted of manslaughter because their son is a child who they are responsible for??? It can’t actually be both.
Simple. A minor committed murder. Was charged and convicted as adult. What's so hard about that? Am I missing some kind of magic metamorphosis? If the evil spawn shoplfted bubble gum he would have been in juvenile court. But he killed a whole school, That's why he was charged as an adult.
@@acespace7255so you didn’t refute his point 😂😂😂 his point is he was charged as adult but holding his parents responsible too. So if he was charged as juvenile then charging parents responsible for son’s actions is plausible but you can’t have both. You only pointed out why he was charged as adult but that’s not his point. Then the sarcasm on top of it.
It’s bizarre. And like another post stated… if he was mental then why is he not in a mental ward instead of prison? Just curious
@@theTrinity431 ….i missed what acespace put, must have been something.
Well legally you can find one person accountable for murder and then charge additional people as well- as accessories - or in this case, charge them with negligence resulting in manslaughter. The state could have done this even if their son was over 18. This is similar to you or i knowingly giving a drug addict a weapon and letting him or her drive drunk while firing it out the window. The addict could have been 30 years old and convicted of murder but you can still charge the owners of the weapon with manslaughter since they knew the addict was intoxicated and that harm could result. Ethan, in order to go to a mental institution, would have to have a mental illness that inhibited his ability to understand right from wrong or be cognitively impaired at a fairly extreme level. This is not the case here. All three are eligible for prison for different reasons. 😊
AND THIS NOW SETS A STANDARD. HOPEFULLY lol
This is crazy!! Apparently, I'm the only one who disagrees with all the comments. If the parents bought him a car and then he drove over a bunch of people, would you feel the same? If you gossip about someone and then your friend kills them because of what you said, is that worth 10 yrs in prison? I believe there is a lot of negligence in this case, and they should be held account for, but to charge them as accomplices? No way. Just remember, be careful what you say in your comment. You might be responsible for what someone else does because of it.
Parents are responsible for their kids driving. And one sentence from these parents could’ve stopped the whole thing. If either one had said my son has access to a weapon while they were in the school he could’ve been stopped. 🤷🏻♀️
Guns aren't cars.
So if your child said they were going to off themselves, you’d buy them the gun. Dumb.
@blindkimberly1360 parents are responsible for their kids driving?? Next time I get pulled over, I'll try that. And maybe one sentence could have prevented it, but with that logic, I blame the counselor for not saying the words, "You must go home."
8- 12 years, I will take that!
This is setting a very slippery slope with precedence This case was based on emotions and its going to be regretted at some point
No. YOU are in your emotions. This case was a slam dunk. It was decided on its merits. The fact that you don’t like the merits means you probably need to evaluate your actions as a parent and lock away your guns.
@@HereForTheComments990 you are assuming alot there This whole case is based on emotions Will other parents be charged now? We will see
So are the parents of gang members going to be sentenced too?
False equivalency. The parents of the GM would have to know their child was in a gang, they would then have to buy that child a weapon, and then they would need to be notified by LE or members of the community that the child had stated they intended to use the weapon to harm someone, and then that parent would need to do nothing to prevent the crime. If all of these conditions were present yes they could be charged with manslaughter. There are lots of cases where this happens. If you knowingly allow an intoxicated child to drive and they inadvertently drive into a family on the road, you can be liable. You can even lose your house. The lesson here: be a good parent and do the right thing.
Forgot to mention the part where the parents of the gang member would also need to take all the money out of their bank account and try to flee the country and fail to show up for their court date
These people had no record. They worked for a living. They were poor it seems. I think the sentence was too much. They r not a threat to anyone and time served should have been enough. The judge played to the people. No justice
Bullshit
Crumbley supporters Sleepover tonight at the defense attorney's guesthouse
Mow we need to see all parents charged when their children kill no matter race, wealth or history But that will never happen
Which is it 10 or 15?
Eligible for parole in 10
C ya
Sentencing the kid should have been enough punishment.
Not for those parents they clearly were ready to leave him out to dry they RAN hid and got defensive instead of standing ten toes down.
They will be out in 4. They will both write books and get rich. No bad deed goes unrewarded
With 2.3 years alredy served, Dude will be out in a couple years.
They will serve no less than 7 years. In Michigan we have "Truth in Sentencing" Act of 1998. You have to serve full minimum, to be eligible for a parole hearing. But they seem the type to make it the whole 15 years, because MDOC loves to issue tickets for everything and that prevents parole eligibility.
There should be - and hopefully will be - civil suits against the son and the two parents that they make financial restitution for these families' losses and that they should not be allowed to profit one dime from these tragedies. Also, I am not so sure you are correct about the actual time they will eventually serve. A parole board is going to want to see change and accountability. All they have done in these 2+ years is double down on the attitudes that created this mess.
The judge stated first parole hearing is in 10@macmen007
@@malipena9751 Plus, one of the conditions of parole is to take full responsibility. These 2 clowns will never take full responsibility for their actions or lack of.
:53 hear that gun owners?
Conjecture that loving parents bought their teenage child a performance passenger car. Driving this vehicle, the child was involved in a multi-fatality collision. How different would this be to this case?
Culpability lies mainly with the lax firearms control of U.S. legislation and that amendment of gun control laws was repeatedly rejected.
Jack, the Japan Alps Brit
Jack, your son has a history of mental illness, drew pictures of running over classmates with his high performance car, and yet you didn't lock up his car keys? Solution: Ban all cars. 😂
They didn’t get the kid help because therapists are mandatory reporters and CPS would get involved over absentee parenting of a disturbed minor.
Enough of the police state nonsense.
After some hours to take this in... I think it is Messed Up!!
Definitely made an example of them and i think it is Way to Many Years
And BS on the dad!!!!!!!
Judge needs to retire
When people are using,ice they lick their chops heaps, just like the judge here, and she’s really battling to speak properly, I hope she’s not on anything illegal
Don't be ridiculous 🙄
Keep worrying about guns in Chicago, America!
So roughly around a little less than 7 years that ole Goofy & Doofy (the parents) would have to serve before they're eligible to be seen by a parole board. At least from my calculations???
Wats 10 to 15,which one ,should be 15
Duh, so we are saying it's the parents fault? Not! No matter what you think they had little or no say in their childs upbringing as they would have been prosecuted as unfit parents. Using the judges reasoning, no black parent would be immune from conviction.
I'd bet a tooth most people clapping for this judgment don't have nor plan to have a kid.
This is the definition of injustice. In a sane society, that is.
@@demon_arrow In a sane society, children with mental health problems wouldn't have access to guns.
In a sane society, parents would actually care for their kids, instead of ignoring them and buying them guns.
In a sane society, there would be no school shootings, nor any mass shootings.
@stevenkirby7478 How did these "parents" have no say in their child's upbringing? They lived together. They raised him. Is that hard to understand?
What's with the racism at the end of your comment?
@@demon_arrow In a sane society, parents wouldn't buy a gun for a child who is obviously profoundly disturbed.
In a sane society, parents would get help for their children who need it.
In a sane society, there would be no school shootings, nor any mass shootings, period.
its about time a court made a parent accountible for their kids actions.
It didn't. It made them responsible for their own actions.
10-15 years. Wtf damn maybe 7 a peace
I thought 5 years way plenty.
The parents CLEARLY missed the signs and they purchased a firearm for him knowing his conditions! Now, I own a firearm. However, it is locked away. This was a good call on the judgment. I think the sentencing was a little harsh, they should still serve time but 10-15 years? Hmm… little to much in my opinion.
Four people died, and more were shot. 10-15 sounds decidedly un-harsh.
@MerelyGifted typically a poc receives less years when this guy didn't even pull the trigger
@peacenow42 that was a cult entirely different scenario
What a joke and a slap in the face of the victims and their families! Should have been 10-15 years per count. I cannot believe the prosecution said 15 per parent only. Those pieces of scum had 0 remorse! And 100% could have done so much to stop their son.
She called him an oops baby and since that day they treated him exactly how they felt about him as an oops. They didn’t care about him at all he was begging for help and they didn’t have time or care about the oops baby. Clear case of neglect I think they hated him. The day they went to school for the meeting the day of the shooting I believe he was waiting for some sort of affection and care and he saw they didn’t care that was what set him off. Maybe if they showed him so attention that day maybe he wouldn’t have did what he did. That boy didn’t have a chance since the day he was born. It was wrong what he did but I think he did it for some form of attention from his parents because they blew him off his whole life. He was crying for help
The Crumbleys will never ever win parents of the year. This should be a forewarning to other parents who dont supervise their children. They are coming for you too. Its entirely sad the Crumbleys can not pay restitution to the grieving families. They are entirely bankrupt.
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We don’t have the death penalty asshat.
Let's be honest. If a parent has a firearm in the house and their narcissist teenager wants it, they will figure out a way to get it. They could manipulate the parent to take them target practicing. They could figure out the safe combo. Etc.
True. So if you have a teenager like that, don't have guns in the house. Easy peasy!
Damn these comments soft af fuck this noise lol
We got a badass over here
The judges nose was on ABC wide world of sports in the ski jump.
I thought the book would be thrown at them. Instead the judge just threw a crumbled up page. The light sentence hardly hurt them.
I just wanted to say the mother she gained alot of weight them bad mother lesbians in prison been feeding her them spreads in prison anybody wana bet after this ms crumbley leaving mr crumbley for a woman she not gonna be homeless 😂
These folks should not be locked away for something another did.
They provided a minor with a gun, their sentence is not harsh enough
YAAASSS JUDGE!
If you wait for them to hold the government employees accountable you will have a long wait. Even when they have a specific law that they violated.....no stretching of the law required.....
This will be overturned on appeal because this is opening a whole can of worms for the parents to be criminal charged
Appeals only address procedural issues. They do not re-try the case.
They deserve this sentence! Both showed not one ounce of remorse.
I believe this cause was to set an example. Their is a statement don't trust anyone your wife or husband and including your kids . because this can happen to you.
@gonzalomata9122 I don't know what happened to the development of your critical thinking skills but this was not about trust. It was about the responsibility and moral duty a parent has toward a minor child.
This is the most ridiculous sentencing ever existed in this life. What are these parents criminals of? Why being sentenced for something you didnt do its insane. Every single criminal is the child of somebody and that person is in jail not their parents. These fathers should fight for this wrongfully sentence. The son pulled the trigger not them. What if the gun would be kept in a safe without the reach of the son. Guess what that kid was a sociopath he would have taken any other weapon to kill. Im ok with the son going down but these parents should not.
I feel like you don’t know anything about the trial. They attempted to flee the country and evaded court. Their son asked for help and indicated he would kill people. He mutilated animals. He had no friends. They. Bought. Him. A. Gun. Knowing all that. They refused to take him out of school for a mental health evaluation. He said he was hearing voices. These parents are criminally negligent. You’re acting like they were normal, good parents. They are not.
We don't have any idea what he "would have' done if his father had not purchased him a weapon and left it accessible. Any parent who leaves a gun unsecured that a child uses to shoot someone is held liable for that shooting. It happens all the time- some little toddler finds a gun in the living room and shoots his baby brother, and the parents are charged.
It’s very difficult to have compassion for these two! I agree that the school bears a lot of responsibility and if not criminal at least civil charges should have been brought, however, that has absolutely nothing to do with the culpability of these parents. I mean, asking for time served… The audacity that she could ask for time served is beyond my comprehension and shows that she still after everything does not believe she did anything wrong.
She predetermined this sentence weeks ago. Everything will be appealed. The trials and the sentence will win on appeal. Everything will be a do over because this judge is incompetent and made many errors.
So you were in her office and were around her when she decided and wrote this down ? Please tell us how you know this
Well, let us hope for the victims case? You are wrong. But, an appeal usually always gets requested. I knew the first day they were going to file one. Most convicted idiots do.
Evidence of all of that, please.
I have $1000 that says you're FOS.
I am sure they will go after parents in cities now too /s
if other parents are as negligent as in this case, than rightly so.