Agree with Drock. Replays would be a massive improvement to the game. If your defence falls, it would be nice to know if it was just outplayed or if you had bad poly luck/rng, then you can plan for the future.
In siege we should be able to assign posts/bldgs in game, leaders should be able to move teams, the post conditions list should be in a tab at the bottom for easier review, we should be able to dm in game and we should be able to watch the battles:) Loved this collab!
100% agree. And with such a botched matchmaking in this round, the clans that got destroyed by way stronger opponents are basically doomed for the future.
Yes, the difference between earned florins vs needed to fix and upgrade buildings, is insane. We were matched quite ok, both destroyed a lot of buildings. We can't rebuild even one building of all with the florins we earned. So, in my opinion, this was shitty design and as usually, no playtesting involved.
@@gkar9757 the problem is in that if you are unevenly matched in the first round all your buildings have been razed without the means to even repair one. Even if you face an opponent in a similar situation and the matchmaking is more even, not being able to repair buildings or set bonuses for who knows how many sieges is a problem for all clans that are in that situation.
i did timestamp the parts of video where we talk about them and send it to them, and bananajam did say shed watch it. And kinda like i said, the communication with cms seems to work but it seems to not get all the way to devs and decision makers
They'll never change or give a good product because they don't have to. Look at all the videos of the lizard prism pulls. They've made a product that isn't even the best but it came first and everyone is invested so they don't care to improve. And every decision they make just shows the disdain they feel for their player base
I'm very endgame. We started in tier 6. Our clan managed to destroy the opponents fortress and all posts in like 6 hours. Somehow our opponents recovered and destroyed all our buildings too. So at the it was a draw. Nobody got nothin + all buildings are destroyed. We can't even afford to repair the fortress. So we are doomed for the next like 5 or six sieges if nothing changes. Thank u @plarium.
About live arena: im waiting for so long features like live esport tournaments, with huge real life rewards. Imo that could be a great promotion for Raid too....
I like the idea of having prize pools for little tournaments that could be a cool way to give away the free little 540 gems they give yall. Instead of just a random selection yall could randomly select some people that enter then host a video of them battling it out top 5 get the gem packs. would be a cool way to engage with viewers and do giveaways at the same time.
very good content, you guys said whatever we want. thumb's up maybe too much of spending to plarium make them too proud, they never do any update on old content. i believe raid no need to add new content for now, maybe for 1 year. just do those update mentioned by content creator will do.
to plariums credit the cms said theyll watch the part of the video i highlighted for them, but i literally made the point on the video that the communication with cms work but we cant get trough to devs or decision makers = (, but maybe they will hear about this and think about it
In true Plarium tradition, the siege rollout went as poorly as possible. Matchmaking was terrible, clan members can get locked out of rewards from a clan based game mode, the cost of repairs is outrageous, and so on. The only thing missing was a server reset in the middle of the event.
When nub said skin for mythical and skin for each form sold separately 😂😂😂😂 it's so outrageous I died laughing and it's just so sad I could easy see them do somthing like that
"if you get smashed alot you ll eventully win" thats exactly how LA works i am in gold 2 and i just play against boons like me you would be shocked how bad we play in gold 2
3 attack banners wasn't enough to me. Most of my clan wasn't winning their battles and once my 3 were done, we were done. I could have beaten the entire opponent clan on my own. So we lost. Also, I asked my clan multiple times to farm the Mana Shrines and only a few of us did. I was very unhappy.
Problem with live arena is BAN system - you should not ban after players pick champions - because if you allow that then player with bigger selection almost always wins. So you should BAN 3 champions BEFORE the fight (3 champions not knowing if enemy has them) - so 6 champions in total ( or 4 - or 2 if you prefer) Then whatever 4 you pick you pick and that's it. Suddenly size of your collection is not as impactful - it still is because during pick moment you can choose good counters but you cannot for example disable someones team if he has only ONE or TWO teams... And something as faction champions could show up in live arena - pair champions with synergies would show up etc etc...
@@EbinShini I need to watch it then - but what you are describing is not exactly what I proposed. Because you want to leave a ban for PICKED champions - and that deletes all pairing/faction unity/funky champions if enemy's collection is weaker then it potentially destroys one single decent team he might have (that's about interesting new people in arena). And with ban BEFORE picks - well you ban champions that will not be picked and you do not know if opponent have them. Some funky teams would show up then.
Live arena could be fun random 2v2 or 3v3 each player picks a champ when it's their turn like in live arena,4 champs vs 4 champs.little rewards or just no rewards but just for fun.
It would be nice to only be able to do this mode with your clan if you were in the same clan as last time so players can't switch. For at least 2 siege in a row.
Shini, are you sure that clan hopping in hydra clash matters, I'm like 90% sure they said it a long time in a digest, that if you leave a clan your scores follow you, so if you did 100000000 bil, and the other did 0 if you join a last clan in the the ranking they are screwed, because they will be against second clan in the ranking if second did let say 1 point less than you.
well we will find out the next hydra clash, but other clans did this and advised me about it so it should work yes. And when i started my own clan, all of the members were very end game and we got oike lv 30 opponents for first battle and slowly progressing from that the next couple months.
@@maciekwar we can confirm it after next hydra clash starts, but other people have done this regularly and informed me about it and we did hop to new clan when i started mine as well.
the point of '' if the product is nice people will spend money '' is just bad, the big money makers are raid, fifa, genshin and these games are far from perfect or even good content wise. Just because a game has a so called good product that doesnt equal money
When people talk about all these different features, you have to understand that this game is running on an old engine that will not allow a lot of complexity. That’s why things are so clunky. Also, they have no interest in spending resources to make the game fun.. Their sole interest is to make money. This isn’t a big budget triple A game with thousands of people working on it like a Destiny 2. All those console games that have constant updates and improvements. They have to focus their resources and get a return at the same time. The scale was always meant to be small. Make a bunch of money with little effort. The things like epic only arena fights and all that could be done easily but what incentive does that give to pull shards and spend money.. I’ll just get rewards with my rares and epics. Don’t need to chase this OP champ. Then their competitors like Dragonheir are failing so there is really no incentive at all to improve.
The key problem is that the mode works to stomp on the weak. You need a system as in counter-strike where there's a loss bonus present. The losing team gains more money each round (up to a limit). This ensures there's a catch-up mechanic in place.
I think that siege having its own economy + continuity between matches is just a giant game balance disaster and if that aspect were removed it would be a big success.
In my siege, mine and the other clan completely wrecked each other. Everything is destroyed and neither of us will ever be able to fully rebuild. Now were both screwed for the rest of time unless there is a reset. We will never get enough florins to rebuild never mind upgrade our buildings. I dont understand how were supposed to get excited about this game mode now....
I didn't mean to watch the whole video but you guys just hit on every one of my complaints about the mode. Plarium needs to watch this and they need to implement changes NOW, not later. They don't have to be these exact suggestions but this game mode will be dead (or already is) if they delay any longer.
@@EbinShini i know, but what surprises me is that he listens all of you say the right pronunciation but he still says it wrong right after, as if he doesnt wanna change it xd not trying to be rude, its just curious to me, cause like you improved alot and i always see you try to improve it even when speaking with other ccs
@@jeaniecalvin4891 yeah cause they re british, they have different ways of saying things that are still correct for them, has nothing to do with completely wrong english pronunciation lol wut
My list of things that would make raid so much more enjoyable. Make the market upgradable, with gems even, once you hit certain levels. Max level can have 6 star Lego gear, not from dungeons, but from everywhere else. Can also have 1 void shard and 10 ancients. I have beat all of factions wars already, please, quick battle faction wars once Lydia has been won. There is too much to do for late game to need to watch my team beat faction wars for the 500th time. Add wishlist to soul merchant. Make an in game clan only voice chat Please rework the florens system. Imagine being a clan that gets destroyed and can’t win but a few battles. Now they have no florens, and they can’t rebuild or upgrade….might as well ask people not to engage in siege. Make a tier point system for hydra. Sucks being blown out of galaxy for points when going up against a trunda setup team. When are rewards for all hydra placement coming? At the moment, when we see we are not going to place 3rd or higher, we do the bare minimum to get the chest and deplete the hydra HP. That means less engagement in the mode for 2/5s of all hydra battles. Please, allow for custom live arena battles. Even no rewards, my clan would love to go head to head within its self just for fun in arena. Communities can have tournaments, so much could and would be done if players were allowed to host live arena tournaments. Add a wishlist for shards, maybe once you reach level 100. I have been playing for 5 years and still don’t have some of the OG champs, they aren’t even meta anymore. And you don’t do events for champs that aren’t meta, so why not give us a wishlist….give us something
Raid truly despises their player base is my only guess, because these issues are no brainers. Wide-open layups, softball over the plate underhand pitch, and they constantly miss and it's on purpose in my opinion.
Why is it that pretty much everyone except Plarium can see the quick fixes that would immediately improve siege hugely and get lots of people to re-engage with it?
They get a pass on the first one, but it's very hypocrital for you guys' to bemoan matchmaking while actively talking about clan hopping to get easier matchup.....that makes YOU more of the problem.
The one thing i have to really comment on is rewards. Rewards are always nice, but this is by FAR not a high priority problem with siege. In my opinion it is a very bad approach to try fixing a half baked, unfinished and obviously untested game mode by givving out so big rewards that everybody feels he has to play it even though it is bad. That will just piss everybody off.
We asked for ways to make the game less time consuming and they added another time consumption aspect to the game. IDK of anyone that asked for this feature.
He want ranking table but he always jump to the strongest team lol. Then stay in your f*** team and try to win maybe? i hate people who talk about competition and change team every day just because there is a better team ATM.
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🐑🐑🐑 If you like this style of videos make sure to send drock regards and some ideas how to buff polymorph ; D 🐑🐑🐑
It was super funny to discuss Siege with you guys! Always a pleasure!
Waiting for Plarium to implement the eSports Roadmap
10% chance polymorph results in a mythical sheep 🐑 that can one shot the opposition team
Mythical sheep😂😂😂.
Permanent sheep for the whole fight?
sheep that stays through the next fight
Shini + Nub + Drock + Kruysen = A colab worth watching.
Agree with Drock. Replays would be a massive improvement to the game. If your defence falls, it would be nice to know if it was just outplayed or if you had bad poly luck/rng, then you can plan for the future.
In siege we should be able to assign posts/bldgs in game, leaders should be able to move teams, the post conditions list should be in a tab at the bottom for easier review, we should be able to dm in game and we should be able to watch the battles:) Loved this collab!
Shini - it is all intentional. Plarium creates the problem then sells the solution. Always
"We had quite the hard battle. Tho we won it pretty easily" 😂
i absolutely loved this, yall have to do this type of setup up more often, i love you all !
Best collab in the history of RSL! Papa Drock remind me a lot of Bert Kreischer 🤣🤣 this dude is pure gold for the community!
@9:00 YES! I'd love to be able to watch My Def battles. Would be so helpful.
Easy polymorph fix - you can use just one champ in poly when doing pvp stuff.
Great video Shini and everyone else! interesting topic
Wow, what a collab. Thanks guys!
I think the siege game mode was a good start, and, frankly, I preferred the more constructive parts of the video.
The problem is. When a clan gets stomped. They cant rebuild their buiildings. That aspect needs to be removed.
100% agree. And with such a botched matchmaking in this round, the clans that got destroyed by way stronger opponents are basically doomed for the future.
Yes, the difference between earned florins vs needed to fix and upgrade buildings, is insane. We were matched quite ok, both destroyed a lot of buildings. We can't rebuild even one building of all with the florins we earned. So, in my opinion, this was shitty design and as usually, no playtesting involved.
@@vincent6832 the matching from the 2nd siege is based on the previous siege performance from now on so where's the problem?
@@gkar9757 the problem is in that if you are unevenly matched in the first round all your buildings have been razed without the means to even repair one. Even if you face an opponent in a similar situation and the matchmaking is more even, not being able to repair buildings or set bonuses for who knows how many sieges is a problem for all clans that are in that situation.
I m waiting for this kind off video :D
Excellent video guys!
Ya'll should summarize this as bullet point outlines and send it to the raid community managers.
i did timestamp the parts of video where we talk about them and send it to them, and bananajam did say shed watch it. And kinda like i said, the communication with cms seems to work but it seems to not get all the way to devs and decision makers
They'll never change or give a good product because they don't have to.
Look at all the videos of the lizard prism pulls. They've made a product that isn't even the best but it came first and everyone is invested so they don't care to improve.
And every decision they make just shows the disdain they feel for their player base
I had a lot of fun with my clan this first Siege, but I agree there is a lot of small things they should add or change
I'm very endgame. We started in tier 6. Our clan managed to destroy the opponents fortress and all posts in like 6 hours. Somehow our opponents recovered and destroyed all our buildings too. So at the it was a draw. Nobody got nothin + all buildings are destroyed. We can't even afford to repair the fortress. So we are doomed for the next like 5 or six sieges if nothing changes. Thank u @plarium.
About live arena: im waiting for so long features like live esport tournaments, with huge real life rewards. Imo that could be a great promotion for Raid too....
I like the idea of having prize pools for little tournaments that could be a cool way to give away the free little 540 gems they give yall. Instead of just a random selection yall could randomly select some people that enter then host a video of them battling it out top 5 get the gem packs. would be a cool way to engage with viewers and do giveaways at the same time.
In WOR each time guild war everything resets. And florins n mana orbs can be used to buy additional attacks maybe.
very good content, you guys said whatever we want. thumb's up
maybe too much of spending to plarium make them too proud, they never do any update on old content.
i believe raid no need to add new content for now, maybe for 1 year. just do those update mentioned by content creator will do.
to plariums credit the cms said theyll watch the part of the video i highlighted for them, but i literally made the point on the video that the communication with cms work but we cant get trough to devs or decision makers = (, but maybe they will hear about this and think about it
In true Plarium tradition, the siege rollout went as poorly as possible. Matchmaking was terrible, clan members can get locked out of rewards from a clan based game mode, the cost of repairs is outrageous, and so on. The only thing missing was a server reset in the middle of the event.
When nub said skin for mythical and skin for each form sold separately 😂😂😂😂 it's so outrageous I died laughing and it's just so sad I could easy see them do somthing like that
Overall Siege is imo one of the best recent additions to the game. Maybe has some problems but it seems very interesting to me.
"if you get smashed alot you ll eventully win"
thats exactly how LA works
i am in gold 2 and i just play against boons like me
you would be shocked how bad we play in gold 2
3 attack banners wasn't enough to me. Most of my clan wasn't winning their battles and once my 3 were done, we were done. I could have beaten the entire opponent clan on my own. So we lost. Also, I asked my clan multiple times to farm the Mana Shrines and only a few of us did. I was very unhappy.
So hard a matchmaking system that match first with second, third with fourth and son on.. in the clan ranking?
Problem with live arena is BAN system - you should not ban after players pick champions - because if you allow that then player with bigger selection almost always wins.
So you should BAN 3 champions BEFORE the fight (3 champions not knowing if enemy has them) - so 6 champions in total ( or 4 - or 2 if you prefer)
Then whatever 4 you pick you pick and that's it.
Suddenly size of your collection is not as impactful - it still is because during pick moment you can choose good counters but you cannot for example disable someones team if he has only ONE or TWO teams...
And something as faction champions could show up in live arena - pair champions with synergies would show up etc etc...
we talked about this in the last video i did with drock, i said i would prefer if we had 1 ban before and after the picks.
@@EbinShini I need to watch it then - but what you are describing is not exactly what I proposed.
Because you want to leave a ban for PICKED champions - and that deletes all pairing/faction unity/funky champions
if enemy's collection is weaker then it potentially destroys one single decent team he might have (that's about interesting new people in arena).
And with ban BEFORE picks - well you ban champions that will not be picked and you do not know if opponent have them.
Some funky teams would show up then.
Upgrades are early mode. Mana and repair is End Game. Rewards for ties need fixed.
Live arena could be fun random 2v2 or 3v3 each player picks a champ when it's their turn like in live arena,4 champs vs 4 champs.little rewards or just no rewards but just for fun.
@plarium just make all building repair themselves when you go up or below the current tier.
It would be nice to only be able to do this mode with your clan if you were in the same clan as last time so players can't switch. For at least 2 siege in a row.
Drock complaining about monetization for an hour is crazy
Why is it crazy? Seems pretty reasonable to me, regardless of what I or anyone else has spent in the game.
plarium also need to fix the fact that you can't set AI for your defence teams
Shini, are you sure that clan hopping in hydra clash matters, I'm like 90% sure they said it a long time in a digest, that if you leave a clan your scores follow you, so if you did 100000000 bil, and the other did 0 if you join a last clan in the the ranking they are screwed, because they will be against second clan in the ranking if second did let say 1 point less than you.
well we will find out the next hydra clash, but other clans did this and advised me about it so it should work yes. And when i started my own clan, all of the members were very end game and we got oike lv 30 opponents for first battle and slowly progressing from that the next couple months.
@@EbinShini maybe someone could confirm this with plarium?
@@maciekwar we can confirm it after next hydra clash starts, but other people have done this regularly and informed me about it and we did hop to new clan when i started mine as well.
poly should be buffed for drock's sake
the point of '' if the product is nice people will spend money '' is just bad, the big money makers are raid, fifa, genshin and these games are far from perfect or even good content wise. Just because a game has a so called good product that doesnt equal money
When people talk about all these different features, you have to understand that this game is running on an old engine that will not allow a lot of complexity. That’s why things are so clunky. Also, they have no interest in spending resources to make the game fun.. Their sole interest is to make money. This isn’t a big budget triple A game with thousands of people working on it like a Destiny 2. All those console games that have constant updates and improvements. They have to focus their resources and get a return at the same time. The scale was always meant to be small. Make a bunch of money with little effort. The things like epic only arena fights and all that could be done easily but what incentive does that give to pull shards and spend money.. I’ll just get rewards with my rares and epics. Don’t need to chase this OP champ. Then their competitors like Dragonheir are failing so there is really no incentive at all to improve.
if they start selling florins, that is my exit from the game
Sheep needs to be 12-15% at 6 star.4 champs in poly 6 star each at 20% each is too much
The key problem is that the mode works to stomp on the weak. You need a system as in counter-strike where there's a loss bonus present. The losing team gains more money each round (up to a limit). This ensures there's a catch-up mechanic in place.
:-)
I think that siege having its own economy + continuity between matches is just a giant game balance disaster and if that aspect were removed it would be a big success.
Why not use the useless market sell Florence
In my siege, mine and the other clan completely wrecked each other. Everything is destroyed and neither of us will ever be able to fully rebuild. Now were both screwed for the rest of time unless there is a reset. We will never get enough florins to rebuild never mind upgrade our buildings. I dont understand how were supposed to get excited about this game mode now....
I didn't mean to watch the whole video but you guys just hit on every one of my complaints about the mode. Plarium needs to watch this and they need to implement changes NOW, not later. They don't have to be these exact suggestions but this game mode will be dead (or already is) if they delay any longer.
Does kruysen not care about pronunciation? xd
Well you know as a fellow non english person i can relate that its always not as eays as you might think : D
@@EbinShini i know, but what surprises me is that he listens all of you say the right pronunciation but he still says it wrong right after, as if he doesnt wanna change it xd not trying to be rude, its just curious to me, cause like you improved alot and i always see you try to improve it even when speaking with other ccs
@@sozulonsoz3716 Hell Hades and Saph dont pronounce HH Gaming like we do but we dont insist they stop pronouncing it as "Hache Hache Gaming"
@@jeaniecalvin4891 yeah cause they re british, they have different ways of saying things that are still correct for them, has nothing to do with completely wrong english pronunciation lol wut
@@sozulonsoz3716 he is Brazilian so he is pronouncing the vowels etc as they do. I think it is a great thing to be able to speak 2 languages so well.
My list of things that would make raid so much more enjoyable.
Make the market upgradable, with gems even, once you hit certain levels. Max level can have 6 star Lego gear, not from dungeons, but from everywhere else. Can also have 1 void shard and 10 ancients.
I have beat all of factions wars already, please, quick battle faction wars once Lydia has been won. There is too much to do for late game to need to watch my team beat faction wars for the 500th time.
Add wishlist to soul merchant.
Make an in game clan only voice chat
Please rework the florens system. Imagine being a clan that gets destroyed and can’t win but a few battles. Now they have no florens, and they can’t rebuild or upgrade….might as well ask people not to engage in siege.
Make a tier point system for hydra. Sucks being blown out of galaxy for points when going up against a trunda setup team.
When are rewards for all hydra placement coming? At the moment, when we see we are not going to place 3rd or higher, we do the bare minimum to get the chest and deplete the hydra HP. That means less engagement in the mode for 2/5s of all hydra battles.
Please, allow for custom live arena battles. Even no rewards, my clan would love to go head to head within its self just for fun in arena. Communities can have tournaments, so much could and would be done if players were allowed to host live arena tournaments.
Add a wishlist for shards, maybe once you reach level 100. I have been playing for 5 years and still don’t have some of the OG champs, they aren’t even meta anymore. And you don’t do events for champs that aren’t meta, so why not give us a wishlist….give us something
why voice chat suddenly? just normal chat and direct messages
Raid truly despises their player base is my only guess, because these issues are no brainers. Wide-open layups, softball over the plate underhand pitch, and they constantly miss and it's on purpose in my opinion.
Why is it that pretty much everyone except Plarium can see the quick fixes that would immediately improve siege hugely and get lots of people to re-engage with it?
They get a pass on the first one, but it's very hypocrital for you guys' to bemoan matchmaking while actively talking about clan hopping to get easier matchup.....that makes YOU more of the problem.
The losing clan should automatically win florins, that way, they can be guaranteed to rebuild and upgrade their stronghold.
Matchmaking was terrible.... we planned a lot and we are away from Top 1000.
Our Opponent was Top 600 and rushed us behalf three hours
The one thing i have to really comment on is rewards. Rewards are always nice, but this is by FAR not a high priority problem with siege. In my opinion it is a very bad approach to try fixing a half baked, unfinished and obviously untested game mode by givving out so big rewards that everybody feels he has to play it even though it is bad. That will just piss everybody off.
We asked for ways to make the game less time consuming and they added another time consumption aspect to the game. IDK of anyone that asked for this feature.
How do you have time to make videos and play this game? Siege sucked. We got so outmatched it made zero sense.
Shouldn't have gone so hard on the cvc then
Yeah it's his fault not plariums
Big papa always complaining about the sheep blessing. Get over it. It’s in the game just deal with it.
Nope. I'll always complain until it is fixed correctly. Get over my complaining 😉
He want ranking table but he always jump to the strongest team lol. Then stay in your f*** team and try to win maybe? i hate people who talk about competition and change team every day just because there is a better team ATM.