so L-cancel up air has 5 frames of lag and shac up air 4 frames? Since shac up air is so hard to do, why not just do L-cancel up air? Is the 1 frame really worth it?!
@@g_arm_ regular upair: 32 frames landing lag. L-cancelled upair: 16 frames landing lag. Autocancel upair: 4 frames landing lag. Hope that clears it up, sorry if I was unclear or said something wrong in the video!
I played ICs for fun at locals sometimes before the wobbling ban. When it got banned I didn't really play them for a while until 2022. I think I would have switched to ICs no matter what, but I definitely enjoy being a "pioneer" of the new age ICs combo game, so it's hard to tell if I really would have stuck with the character if I was wobbling all day.
@@MorphBall1 I think removing a strong combo finisher from a character will always force that character to become more creative and thus better in a sense. PAL Foxes like Leffen and Armada were among the best Foxes in the game, playing on a version where Fox's upsmash is significantly weaker made them better at certain things that NTSC Foxes never really worried about. So I think the ICs meta would be way ahead of where it was in 2019 if we reintroduced wobbling now. If we removed Fox upsmash for a few years and then put it back in, I think the Fox meta would also benefit from it.
Liking and subscribing because you acknowledged ledgehop ice block as an option after shine ff to ledge
I didn't know Nicki was ever not an Ice Climber main
mmmmmmm, didn't know fthrow was weight independent for consistency. Good to know.
so L-cancel up air has 5 frames of lag and shac up air 4 frames? Since shac up air is so hard to do, why not just do L-cancel up air? Is the 1 frame really worth it?!
@@g_arm_ regular upair: 32 frames landing lag. L-cancelled upair: 16 frames landing lag. Autocancel upair: 4 frames landing lag. Hope that clears it up, sorry if I was unclear or said something wrong in the video!
Would you have switched to ICs if wobbling was still legal or do you prefer it being banned?
I played ICs for fun at locals sometimes before the wobbling ban. When it got banned I didn't really play them for a while until 2022. I think I would have switched to ICs no matter what, but I definitely enjoy being a "pioneer" of the new age ICs combo game, so it's hard to tell if I really would have stuck with the character if I was wobbling all day.
@@SSBMNicki So would you say the wobble ban was ultimately a good thing for the IC meta?
@@MorphBall1 I think removing a strong combo finisher from a character will always force that character to become more creative and thus better in a sense. PAL Foxes like Leffen and Armada were among the best Foxes in the game, playing on a version where Fox's upsmash is significantly weaker made them better at certain things that NTSC Foxes never really worried about. So I think the ICs meta would be way ahead of where it was in 2019 if we reintroduced wobbling now. If we removed Fox upsmash for a few years and then put it back in, I think the Fox meta would also benefit from it.
Is there an ics discord
Yes, here's the link: discord.gg/wnQ8kqS
@@SSBMNicki thanks so much!