Fully agree on your take with Tempest Rising being more geared towards casual RTS players. GiantGrantGaming did a vid doc on RTS and how it flounders when it panders heavily towards pro PVP players, and even one of the SC II devs gave Grant data showing that most SC II players actually played more of the game's campaign/Arcade and Skirmish modes than they did PVP matches, despite the fact that SC II is lauded as a PVP focused RTS, but mostly on regions like Korea. I feel like the only way Tempest Rising is ever going to take off, is if they focus on their campaign/Skirmish modes, and leave PVP modes as the tacked on option. I do think that Tempest Rising will genuinely do far better than Stormgate will, simply because Frost Giant put too much focus into their PVP side of things (showing off PVP modes first, setting up the e-sports scene, white is already a finite audience in today's market), and they barely have anything to show for their campaign, let alone lore. Also they don't have Frank making any of their kickass music, which is part of the reason why I want to buy Tempest Rising over Stormgate.
To be fair, Tib Wars 3/Generals was geared towards casual players. Casual players are what makes game survives, not the pro scene. The more you try to complicate the game because you want it to be played by pros, the less interesting it is. The Campaign and lore already looks like it going to be fun.
@@crashtestdummy2337 Aye. Like I did dabble a little in the PVP scene for RA3 across 2 consoles and PC when that came out, same with Generals ZH, but after that period I just strictly stuck to SP/vs Ai/co-op only with the RTS scene. Whenever I see a new RTS trying to focus only on the PVP scenes, I start to see red flags, which is why I have lost all interest in Stormgate, due to their focus on e-sports first, campaign/skirmish years later. Tempest seems to be going the right route with showing us campaign snippets, a focus on producing an actual campaign for day 1, and allowing for skirmish as well day 1, PVP just being "there" as the side option, which is honestly how I have always seen the RTS formula for decades.
> Tempest Rising being more geared towards casual RTS players I'd say, on the contrary. Stuff like tanks and IFVs not firing on the move is only an annoyance for casual players, its only benefits are for PVP. Same with lack of superweapons (which casual players love, but a TR designer said that they didn't put them in so there's no "I win" button in PVP). I agree with other points, fate of pvp-first rts etc, but imo TR's designers clearly "want" to pander to PVP scene first. Whether they do it well, that's another thing...
@@Kvantovy true on in BAR rts I heard the units still firing even on moving phase. if you want that mechanic you can global conflagration. But it any means chance that game is not tower defense game in contrast. That is why it is hard even in medium ai. I find that tempest rising and zerospace having problem unit collision. I don't but I really looking for rts that works like generals engine. Becuz seeing not manuvering their move set is upsetting. I don't know how cnc does that even they are older games they can make tanks fire while moving.
Well played. As a TR noob i would love to hear your commentary on the games you play. Like you told us, that you are f****, but I dont't understand why. Whould make the video even more entertaining
Tempest dynasty is op now, you can non stop economic expansion just with one factory meanwhile building other stuff. GDF can only build one building , so they need to choose between economic or military.
I don't agree with your ignorance of the harmful effects of smurfing in any game. "It doesn't matter because you'll always be a bronze player." They may be, they not be. But what they lose the chance to do, is play with other people that are their skill level and gradually learn the game and enjoy themselves. Smurfing takes away the point of mmr based matchmaking. To match you with people near your skill level and allow you the ability to get better. Someone who's ridiculously higher rank, playing against someone who is the lowest rank. Just means they get stomped before they learn anything from the match.
@@BikeRush Nearly every game I play in Dota 2 for example. Is smurfed because all 9 to 10k mmr's get to that mmr then smurf. So they can preserve their rank. So that means that there's one player in each game who will monumentally dominate every other player. Giving one team a ridiculously overpowered chance of winning.
I really don't like the ending. It's so sudden, lame and uninspiring. Good music at end of every battle that gives you a sense of accomplishment and few seconds of view to take it all in, would have been great.
@@BikeRush Yes buy it once, i hate when studios say it's free then put out a whole battlepass and content under paycheck. Rts is not made for that. That is why command of conquers players enjoying mods. Because no client server constantly receiving update that can't be mod becuz of silly skins. I am still waiting for mental omega to come out and the heaviest factor of why most rts is not getting popular now is world building. Even valorant an tf2 does that people want entertainment not sports. I hope they really put work on campaign. Becuz this not first of the 2000s that people are playing net cafe and just playing esport games today becuz of fast phase game. I hope they get rid also the ranked reset. Because in once human free to play as I say all progression reset and playing with achievements means nothing unlike. Age of empire you can make custom map and play it offline. The reset is yours not the company. Popular games now only talked about rank up system and elo while then it's all about cools stuff even it not really complicated in todays world view games. You can't have personal joy becuz there better than you. I always remember the joy of beating warcraft bonus campaign in single sit. But today the only good rank system. Ranked system is good until the balance maker did things. And give me the toxic mindset that everything should be fix. In ending the game is not fun play anymore it is sport's that will give mental illness by addiction. Remember the day when I lose streak. I just play red alert 2 too then. I don't care if it one hard ai in map. It feels great doing things flashing in your eyes with your control. Not the internet problem and the balance change of the game but your full understanding of game can give fast dopamine boost to yourself unlike games today. I see from the starcraft clone being focus on unit production and not based building. At least old rts does that. The game is not fast space like zerospace even I like it. Most starcraft clone problem is you will see each other always harrasing in mid of the map every game. But rts from early 2000 does make you choose with option. Defend, harrassment, or full speed run attack's. Esport is always the problem if the company priority the game balance. The game balance should be for fun. Tempest Rising does what starcraft 2 does to their unit it was sad it will fall. But If they make the game satisfying even offline games. The game will stay and be played for decades. I wish buy release I see full campaigns and hilarious story like tiberium wars does. For starcraft I see great successor from zero space. Godsworn as new rts. And for cnc successor about campaigns. I think for pc requirements even I upgrade my pc they should convert their in game cut scene all to video. Because from 2024 demo my pc crash due to not having graphics card. Sadly only mental omega mimic the fracture of old cnc. For now...
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Fully agree on your take with Tempest Rising being more geared towards casual RTS players.
GiantGrantGaming did a vid doc on RTS and how it flounders when it panders heavily towards pro PVP players, and even one of the SC II devs gave Grant data showing that most SC II players actually played more of the game's campaign/Arcade and Skirmish modes than they did PVP matches, despite the fact that SC II is lauded as a PVP focused RTS, but mostly on regions like Korea.
I feel like the only way Tempest Rising is ever going to take off, is if they focus on their campaign/Skirmish modes, and leave PVP modes as the tacked on option. I do think that Tempest Rising will genuinely do far better than Stormgate will, simply because Frost Giant put too much focus into their PVP side of things (showing off PVP modes first, setting up the e-sports scene, white is already a finite audience in today's market), and they barely have anything to show for their campaign, let alone lore.
Also they don't have Frank making any of their kickass music, which is part of the reason why I want to buy Tempest Rising over Stormgate.
To be fair, Tib Wars 3/Generals was geared towards casual players. Casual players are what makes game survives, not the pro scene. The more you try to complicate the game because you want it to be played by pros, the less interesting it is. The Campaign and lore already looks like it going to be fun.
@@crashtestdummy2337 Aye. Like I did dabble a little in the PVP scene for RA3 across 2 consoles and PC when that came out, same with Generals ZH, but after that period I just strictly stuck to SP/vs Ai/co-op only with the RTS scene.
Whenever I see a new RTS trying to focus only on the PVP scenes, I start to see red flags, which is why I have lost all interest in Stormgate, due to their focus on e-sports first, campaign/skirmish years later.
Tempest seems to be going the right route with showing us campaign snippets, a focus on producing an actual campaign for day 1, and allowing for skirmish as well day 1, PVP just being "there" as the side option, which is honestly how I have always seen the RTS formula for decades.
@@dirge7459 surprisingly red alert 3 in China have Corona mode with tones untranslated language they are playing.
> Tempest Rising being more geared towards casual RTS players
I'd say, on the contrary. Stuff like tanks and IFVs not firing on the move is only an annoyance for casual players, its only benefits are for PVP. Same with lack of superweapons (which casual players love, but a TR designer said that they didn't put them in so there's no "I win" button in PVP).
I agree with other points, fate of pvp-first rts etc, but imo TR's designers clearly "want" to pander to PVP scene first. Whether they do it well, that's another thing...
@@Kvantovy true on in BAR rts I heard the units still firing even on moving phase. if you want that mechanic you can global conflagration. But it any means chance that game is not tower defense game in contrast. That is why it is hard even in medium ai. I find that tempest rising and zerospace having problem unit collision. I don't but I really looking for rts that works like generals engine. Becuz seeing not manuvering their move set is upsetting. I don't know how cnc does that even they are older games they can make tanks fire while moving.
Hey thats me
Do u also play c&c3?
Bikerush lives for the comeback when his back is against the wall
Oh wow bikerushowns, I remember you from cnc3 days
Well played. As a TR noob i would love to hear your commentary on the games you play. Like you told us, that you are f****, but I dont't understand why. Whould make the video even more entertaining
14:30 agree, I would love to get smurfed by uThermal, be an honor.
Tempest dynasty is op now, you can non stop economic expansion just with one factory meanwhile building other stuff. GDF can only build one building , so they need to choose between economic or military.
I don't agree with your ignorance of the harmful effects of smurfing in any game. "It doesn't matter because you'll always be a bronze player." They may be, they not be. But what they lose the chance to do, is play with other people that are their skill level and gradually learn the game and enjoy themselves. Smurfing takes away the point of mmr based matchmaking. To match you with people near your skill level and allow you the ability to get better. Someone who's ridiculously higher rank, playing against someone who is the lowest rank. Just means they get stomped before they learn anything from the match.
1-2 games out of 100 if it's within starcraft playerbase,
It's not a big deal..
@@BikeRush Nearly every game I play in Dota 2 for example. Is smurfed because all 9 to 10k mmr's get to that mmr then smurf. So they can preserve their rank. So that means that there's one player in each game who will monumentally dominate every other player. Giving one team a ridiculously overpowered chance of winning.
Hello! tell me how and with what you effectively kill condors for the dynasty. and aren't they imba?
Ain't gonna lie even if i never played this kind of game before, i dont really see a comeback, where u never were behind.
Ugh why did RUclips match me with this crap. Too much negativity
I don't like that specialist are limited, you have strong vehicle that can kill them easily no need to limit them like that to 1(tier 3)
One comm officer of GDF can mark an entire army and near-instantly kill any infantry.
If you can spam them, they’ll be all you can see.
Specialist until are insanely op lol best have a limit
@BikeRush you can oneshot them with a sphere lol
I really don't like the ending. It's so sudden, lame and uninspiring. Good music at end of every battle that gives you a sense of accomplishment and few seconds of view to take it all in, would have been great.
Dang this forced Russian accent is annoying as hell. Devs could just made Dynasty speak Russian, then.
nah the dynasty intend to be Asia country not russian
Probably can't hire Russian voice actors at the moment 😅😅
Game being pay to play and no monetization free to play is better like age of empire does and lives well
I don't think I understand are you for free to play ? Or just buy it once
@@BikeRush Yes buy it once, i hate when studios say it's free then put out a whole battlepass and content under paycheck. Rts is not made for that. That is why command of conquers players enjoying mods. Because no client server constantly receiving update that can't be mod becuz of silly skins. I am still waiting for mental omega to come out and the heaviest factor of why most rts is not getting popular now is world building. Even valorant an tf2 does that people want entertainment not sports. I hope they really put work on campaign. Becuz this not first of the 2000s that people are playing net cafe and just playing esport games today becuz of fast phase game. I hope they get rid also the ranked reset. Because in once human free to play as I say all progression reset and playing with achievements means nothing unlike. Age of empire you can make custom map and play it offline. The reset is yours not the company. Popular games now only talked about rank up system and elo while then it's all about cools stuff even it not really complicated in todays world view games. You can't have personal joy becuz there better than you. I always remember the joy of beating warcraft bonus campaign in single sit. But today the only good rank system. Ranked system is good until the balance maker did things. And give me the toxic mindset that everything should be fix. In ending the game is not fun play anymore it is sport's that will give mental illness by addiction. Remember the day when I lose streak. I just play red alert 2 too then. I don't care if it one hard ai in map. It feels great doing things flashing in your eyes with your control. Not the internet problem and the balance change of the game but your full understanding of game can give fast dopamine boost to yourself unlike games today. I see from the starcraft clone being focus on unit production and not based building. At least old rts does that. The game is not fast space like zerospace even I like it. Most starcraft clone problem is you will see each other always harrasing in mid of the map every game. But rts from early 2000 does make you choose with option. Defend, harrassment, or full speed run attack's. Esport is always the problem if the company priority the game balance. The game balance should be for fun. Tempest Rising does what starcraft 2 does to their unit it was sad it will fall. But If they make the game satisfying even offline games. The game will stay and be played for decades. I wish buy release I see full campaigns and hilarious story like tiberium wars does. For starcraft I see great successor from zero space. Godsworn as new rts. And for cnc successor about campaigns. I think for pc requirements even I upgrade my pc they should convert their in game cut scene all to video. Because from 2024 demo my pc crash due to not having graphics card.
Sadly only mental omega mimic the fracture of old cnc. For now...