7 Dead iRacing Series: Why does nobody run them?
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I think Stock Car Brasil specifically has an additional problem that you didn't touch on--it just doesn't have any of its own real-world circuits to run on. There is ONE South American circuit on iracing, period. That's just not enough for the people who could instead go to Automobilista 2 or even 1 and race most of the SCB calendar.
Or Stock Car Extreme which has the whole season. Maybe a little old, but it has all the tracks.
I'm also not sure how Supercars is in iracing. But only having 5 tracks, one of which is now gone doesn't appeal to me. Not when I can get all the tracks in Assetto Corsa or rfactor 2. AC also has the benefit of being able to race on lesser known tracks.
@@callummclachlan4771 Stock Car Extreme just became Automobilista 1 - they rebranded it in one of the updates
That's why they should add Termas de Río Hondo (Argentina). It's a well known track and it fits every type of racing
I was all about the Mission R until I watched a few people streaming it and realized that sound was going to absolutely drive me up the wall.
The car is brilliant and I’ll die on this hill. The problem for me is that the one thing that makes it excellent, that makes it stand out from its compatriots, is the qualifying mode. This makes it one of the most unique/fastes tin tops on the service and you can’t race with it in this mode. It’s criminal.
Yeah that bothers me too.
@@sepporu I really don’t agree. If you don’t like it, it doesn’t mean it’s bad.
You get used to it. Watch some Formula E to acquire the taste.
i kinda like the car but gives me tinnitus...
Do give an idea of how quickly the Formula IR Series died off: When I was covering RaceSpotTV's Friday Night Primetime and we covered the first EVER season with those cars, we had 2 full splits on the first week. By week 8 in a 12 week season, we were lucky if we broke double digits.
As soon as the Mission R was announced, I guessed on Reddit that it would be dead within a week, namely because it's electric and most car guys aren't super fond of EVs
It's a shame the ir-01 isn't more popular, it's so fun and an absolute riot to drive
When it comes to real life Short Course Truck racing "SCT". It's hard to judge popularity with the lack of TV coverage. But when it comes to Trophy trucks and desert racing they are very popular on the west coast. It's more of a regional racing series.
Its honestly so surprising to me that silver crowns don't rival indycar
I was so excited to finally be able to move to B rank oval so i could race the silver crown cars, even purchased the car to run laps with in test drive. Really bummed that its practically a dead series, the car is pretty fun to drive.
I don’t play iracing at all, but I really like these videos they are super interesting for some reason. I thought the video about the fastest lap time(sub 10 seconds or something?) was great!
I appreciate that man! One of my big hopes is to make iracing more fun and accessible to everyone
i figured the rookie dirt legends just got bad participation because when someone goes to check dirt ovals out, street stocks seem more familiar and already has a larger participation, so people are going to go for that for those factors before even knowing how the legends drive
Ya that + open set is rough for it
There is no rookie dirt legends, which might be part of the problem. Maybe if there was, as well as a fixed setup, the Dirt Legends would see more participation. As a former real world dirt racer, I thought I'd enjoy dirt racing on a simulator. Turns out, dirt racing in real life is actually much easier than on a simulator and also much more enjoyable.
Mission Rs biggest problem isnt the sound. Just turn the engine volume down in the settings. It doesnt give you any feedback anyways due to the lack of gears. The worst thing is the driving itself. That you have to basically learn two cars with the quali/race mode and the fact that it drives awfully with its AWD compared to the PCUp which is its direct competition.
Interesting! I never ended up buying the car but it seems a lot of people don’t like how it drives
That’s what makes it good. The fact that it is a completely different experience that forces us to learn new ways of driving. If we’re getting different cars I’m not going to moan about it being different. The quali mode is an absolute blast, coupled with the AWD, you can really have fun sliding it around on the limit. You should be able to do sprint races with the quali mode and iRacing are missing something with that. Having an option to make a car that exciting but limit it to two laps by yourself, is madness at best.
I'm a big dirt road guy but yeah, the Pro 2 opens are a pain. The Pro 2 itself is one of the most fun Dirt Road cars to drive imo when you figure it out, but trying to track down a setup to run the open series just doesn't make sense especially when there's a fixed series.
Dirt road in general is incredibly underrated in the service. The supercars in rallycross need some work but the trucks are a hoot and fun to try and master, whether thats Lite, Pro 2 or Pro 4.
I think the tracks being pretty bespoke and not able to be used by anything other than the trucks that race there hurt it a lot too. If you buy a road or oval tarmac track you can drive basically anything there, and dirt oval has more disciplines than dirt road. Also road racers might not want to buy stuff like Iowa just for the rallycross layout to run a full season.
Yeah dirt road does feel very isolated unfortunately. I mess around at Wild West sometimes and it’s very fun
I really loved the Mission R series, just tweak the engine sound a bit. As a electric radio control enthusiast I was really looking forward to seeing what setup could be done with the electronics like drag brake, coast, and recovery modes.
Ppl need to try the silver crown and sprint cars series, really fun but hard to drive.
They are fun but you also need to use restraint, and respect this community is very good.
Respectful racers who will help you with the car too. It's fun.
The IR-01 always has an official race. Sundays 12gmt. The last time we didn't have one was during the 24h Daytona weekend bcoz most participated in that event. The car was also C Class for the last 12 month.
And in a few hour iRacing will finially kill the car by turning it into some weird Indycar replacement. Noone of the regulars wanted that change but iRacing doesn't care when it comes to the IR-01
i dont have iracing, but that dirt road series looked like a blast
I love asphalt short track racing and really wanted to be able to race pavement sprints when I was subbed but being outside the usa made that impossible. I'd have to be racing at 2am.
I feel weird for like the Mission R motor sound, at least it sounds like a RC car unlike some eletric cars THAT DONT HAVE ANY SOUND AT ALL
Shame that the trophy trucks don't get much love, they're a lot of fun to drive.
Zomg right!? And not just pro-2 lite, pro2 and pro4 are also a lot of fun
The mission R is a ton of fun to drive it feels like a go Kart, really wish it had a following
I'm a roadie from the word go. With that said I have raced and run oval track racing as well. I really enjoyed the Silver Crown, though when I was a teenager in the 70's they were called USAC Dirt Champ Cars. The car that we have in iRacing was an attempt to have a dirt track car and a special chassis for the asphalt races. Dirt track races are run by teams who basically run on a shoestring budget. That car did not take off and all of the real-world teams continued to run their dirt cars on asphalt. Now if you can get a good setup and PRACTICE, you can have a ton of fun in these cars.
It's such a shame because the Pro 2 trucks are SO FUN to drive. Big learning curve for me at least, but they're great. I wish more people would drive them. Also people who complain about a series being open setup need to just ask the people that run it if they'd be willing to share a setup with them. When I used to race the C class legends, guys would share setups they're working on, all you had to do was ask.
Yep it seems with most low pop series there are always setups to use. People just want to grow the series
Nice video maybe it brings some people into trying these series. Tracy
I hope to join you soon!
I was really looking forward to the Brazil Stock Cars. I have seen them on Motorsport TV, and they are a very competitive and exciting brand of racing. I thought the cars handled just fine, though I think a move to fixed setups would have boosted the series. I remember all the whining when fixed setups were introduced to NASCAR series. But some people want to compete on a level playing field and have no interest in learning automotive engineering, they just wanna race.
remember when rallyX was added? everyone was running it for a while good times now whole thing is dead
Maybe revamped dirt physics will help it
@@DJYeeJay I stopped racing them because I just kinda lost interest towards it just felt nice distraction for what I usually race
mission R was screwed from the goofy qualifying mode they gave it. Making you have to learn 2 breaking points for every turn was not fun. on top of that having to then drive around all the people who only practiced quali mode and not race mode and then they would drive like clowns trying to get by you. this car has so many gimmicks its not a shock it was DOA after week 3. We joined a league for these cars and had a blast in it. but 1 season was more than enough.
Ah makes sense someone else on me discord was also just talking about that. Seems like realism sometimes hurts the overall gaming experience
What qualifying was it? I ran these back when it was at Road America and never had this happen
@@darthlatitude2105 race mode and Q mode difference is like 300 extra Horse power
I am disappointed the Mission R isn't more popular because it's quite fun to drive, and it's a very different experience than an ICE car.
Do you still have your ear drums and sanity intact?
@@DanTheCaptain both confirmed to be in working order.
Of all the Porsche cars that exists, this is probably the last thing I would want to experience, in a sim or in real life. Soulless pile of c-
@@mro9466 L take my dude. It’s a fun car to drive.
I guess I'm the only one who actually likes the sound of the Mission R :( It reminds me of the hybrid system on the R18 and I always loved listening to that.
ok, James Falcon Pratt here, a 10+ yr member
Let PLAY this video
The Sprint Car is VERY Hard to Drive and has Never done well
The Silver Crown is GREAT Fun, just many don't even try it
Later
I would love to race the Mission R more. I raced it a lot when it was new and got a bit more people. If I knew I could sign up and do an official race in the Mission R any given time slot. i would be there pretty much every week. It is a bit weird that people complain about the sound. It's electric, of course it's going to sound electric.
The sound is pretty hard on the ears compared to that of a Tesla, for one (my daily drive). Also it doesn't help that we can't adjust volume per car type.
It actually gives me a headache so I stopped running it.
in a way, i actually like these very low participation series. Sure, there's not a huge following and you wont see any big names in there or streaming, but you tend to find a group of regulars and race against them a lot, to the point you can learn how they all drive and get some really good fun races and chat with a usually much more relaxed and open community than you'll generally find in the more competitive series. It just often feels like a different vibe of racing which can be a nice break
I can see that for sure. Most the GT3/4 series is full of complete dickheads who have no race etiquette.
If you are a little off-pace and you don't get out of their way yesterday, they'll just drive thru you for the most part.
One aspect that you didn't mention that I think hurts a lot of series, is the cost associated with getting into a new series. It's a lot of financial risk to test out a series you're interested in but might not turn out to be your jam. So people go to what they know and what's popular instead of experimenting
I think it really sucks with the sprint cars because they are the most fun car to drive when you actually get some practice in and have a good group to race with
I hope I can see more people get in to dirt road at some point.
I love tallycross but I can only get races with the slower rookie and d class beetle.
As iRacing customers we're in a curious position where we are not just the customer, but a part of the product too. Series participation will influence a car purchase as much as any other factor for many people. It means unpopular series get caught in a catch 22 where no-one will try the series because nobody is already there racing it.
I was curious to try the Mission R when it came out but was sure the series wasn't going to have participation for long so didn't make the purchase. When enough people behave like this, we cause the flop we're wary of.
Another thing that stops me buying cars is simply because I don't have enough time to race them all. Series bloat can be a real issue that divides up the community when it's high participation that provides close splits.
I’ve only done a handful of laps in a dirt legend car I probably sucked but it’s really really fun and would definitely be interested in running a few races in the future
Stockcar Brasil is dead because of the lack of regional prices for cars/tracks, it cost a TON of money to race that in south america.
I was all hyped to do my first B-class road series and chose the FR3.5 just because they'd dropped the FR2.0. The series didn't go official enough to complete 8 races (even although a couple of times I stayed up really late to try the European guys.) Demanding car, though. I like it.
Coming from someone who is pretty trigger happy when it comes to iracing purchases (I own the 2 Mercedes f1 cars even though I can’t race them), even I saw right through the Mission R. Kinda cool concept but either A) the novelty would wear off, B) that races would be shit shows like formula e, or C) the noise would be horrendous. But from what I’ve heard it’s not that bad so maybe one day I’ll give it a try.
The Mission R car is SO much fun. I wish people would race in that series.
It’s crazy how people ignore a good car for superficial reasons. There’s no such thing as a bad car on iRacing; just cars people struggle to learn
If it wasn't tinnitus inducingly awful to listen to I'd consider it for more than a couple minutes.
@@julianturberfield7101 see, that’s the problem. You’re clearly bias. You’re ignoring a good car because it’s electric. It’s genuinely a fun car to mess around in, especially the quali mode. It’s the most unique tin top on the service and people don’t give it the time to get good in it because they’re pre-disposed to hate it. It’s a sim, they are all electric.
@@julianturberfield7101 I got used to it in about 10 minutes. Not saying that’s the same for others, but it’s really not that bad.
Great Video, very interesting, thank you!
Notably missing is the Aussie supercar series, that's also pretty dead nowdays.
I race in the Brazilian Stock cars. Got 2 wins last season just so difficult to get any participation. Seems it only sees officials Mayne once a day around 245pm or 445pm other than that nothing.
The Mission R is probably the only car I regret buying
The dirt sprint car is nice to drive in my opinion, the rookie lobbies don't get enough people
Indiana has a huge asphalt sprint car following, but its still not enough to go official
There's actually a pretty stout community/following for Pavement Sprint cars and silver crown. The crowd goes where they go, *even across the entire country*. Look up the Little 500, 500Tour, Must See Extreme Sprints, Southern Sprint Car Shootout Series, TBARA, and many others
They run asphalt sprints just about everywhere and had about 119 collective races across USA, Canada, UK, and even South Africa. Biggest issue is that, unlike dirt sprints, they're all scattered and disorganized. There is no one series, just a huge collective. Source; Am driver.
i race dirt sprints cars from time to time
Hot take: I fear the Garage 56 car, if it ever appears in iRacing, would end up in this list.
I respect you but comments about the Brasil Stock anger me.
You are absolutely right in saying that the view is very limited. However , much like our MONKE brain can adapt and race with a single monitor at 1080p with the shittiest of racing equipment , the same can be said about our MONKE brain adapting to the FOV.
The racing itself as long as it lasted was great , so it's the people who don't want to drive anything other than GT3 who killed it.
The only valid complaint about the Brasil Stocks is their difficulty. Very tail happy and with not quite enough grip on their rubbers to handle all that torque. That I understand. The rest I don't.
Im the most disappointed in the Brazil stock cars. I bought it when it came out and literally not once did it go official in EST time zones. Sad because the push to pass on that car is SO FUN
Dirt legends is where your safety rating goes to die and that is the same with several of the other series listed here. It is not fun to drive with a bunch of smooth brains that crash on the parade lap. In ALL road races I start from the pit so I can avoid going through turn 1 with anyone other than myself, and for those considering iRacing as your sim, yes it is really that bad. The license system in this GAME needs an overhaul big time. It is nothing close to simulating real licensing systems and feels like the developers just said well, that is good enough screw it. An example: Perform a clean pass to take the win. P2 is upset they did not take P1 so they never lift even once the race is done. I pull off to leave the race and P2 proceeds to torpedo me AFTER THE RACE IS OVER and I am off track in a runoff lane (limerock t1 to be exact). The hit is so hard that I leave with 9x because of that one incident. I know what you're thinking iRacing people...PROTEST. Well I did that and you know what iRacing did for me considering I took a 9x and lost .23 safety rating for this? Logic would assume that since in real racing my license would not have been penalized and P2 would have been most likely banned for life if not arrested but no, they did nothing. I lost the safety rating on my license as if I shared in the blame. Again for those considering iRacing, your sfatey rating can demote your license level making content you PAID FOR inaccessible to you.
As a person who drives legends IRL I'd say the problem with the (asphalt and dirt) legends is that they're sooooo outdated like 10 or so years outdated. They don't feel anything like the real thing. I've heard other people say that they love them so I know people may be split on it but personally the legends do not feel like legends to me
You should do this with dead tracks
I have another forgotten iracing track video on the list to do soon!
@@DJYeeJay Stafford comes to mind.. My recent memory doesn't recall seeing any oval series with it. Part of the reason I assume being that it's INCREDIBLY outdated and iR has yet to rectify that, e.g. it doesn't have lights. The light poles are physically modeled, but they don't actually come on at night lol
After Virginia International's update, I think Stafford might actually be the oldest and most out-of-date track on the service.
mission R,..it's the noise thats F*** annoying
i would love to race silver crowns.
As much as I appreciate the vast range that iRacing has, I really wish they would narrow development a bit. There is absolutely zero reason to host half of these races when only a handful of drivers at most join them.
I think one of the biggest reasons nobody runs the Brazilian stock cars is because iracing falsely says the races are 4 hours when in reality the races are only 15 minutes long.
iR seems to be going through extremely difficult times, otherwise I can't explain this manic craving for f1. I'm not against F1, but you have at least two generations of Lotus, which can be diluted with competition or supplemented with historical models. the gt1 corvette has been with the ancient salon since what year? why are there only two cars, and in gt2 there is one at all? historical imsa in the form of two cars? were Chevrolet really against recreating that Corvette? we have so many classes that are buried alive. for me, the highest degree of simulation is touching historical machines. the ones that you can't touch with all your desire. I will be happy to support and buy more historical oval cars in the collection, but there is nothing else besides the 87th! I didn't even know that sprint / crown ride on an old can of rubber. Why did iR do this to them? although they even have a server for me - for Europe! or here: I certainly liked driving a Brazilian cup jug, it all looks great in a VR helmet and this car should not have been on the list of outsiders (and this season they wanted to save it so much that they diluted the list of tracks with more popular ones, hoping for a miracle), but.... do you know what bothered me about them? they are very slow! v8, complex bodywork and disgusting lap time. I was upset. I don't even want to talk about rallycross... I try to drive all 4 directions of the simulator and I like it, but I don't want to see modern f1 and gt3 in the foreground, devouring all the forces of the development team. which certainly give good money, but... I am for honing the existing classes, for deepening into the process, expanding classes. although I have a good list of content, I am clearly in the minority. I don't understand why add new content if there is a lot of work with the existing one. I don't see any racing tractors or buggies. or maybe the audience wants a pop drift? what will happen next?
sorry for the translator, my vocabulary is not enough.
and of course, the content that goes into legacy. I don't understand why to part with it. if the simulator is sorry for the resources on the server side, they can calculate how much they spent on the dead series. and how pointless it is. yes, of course I can raise the host for some time for the same maniacs, but this is not enough. can you imagine if an old radical or Porsche will be driven more than followers? I would do that...
It won’t let me race the dirt legends series and idk why
Are you still a rookie?
@@aaronthomas6155 no
I love the USF2000 but can almost never find a race.
I've been a rally fan all my life. And tbh the main reason why I don't bother with the rally part of iracing is the cars just feel wrong. The handling is not the way it is supposed to be at all. Rallycross cars live on oversteer. But the iracing cars are just insanely understeery and if you try to force a powerslide, they have no traction at all and still understeer, just they do it sideways instead.
They focused on a series that was dead on arival irl instead of going with the very popular rallycross series. I also think it was a huge mistake to put so much focus on the old and uninspiring beetle that nobody uses irl, instead of making a lite fwd version of the fiesta (Again, like irl). But considdering how fwd works in iracing it would probably not handle well on gravel anyway.
It's a shame that people hate the noise of the Mission R enough to not drive it. It doesn't bother me that much and I think the car is fun to drive.
It’s stupid isn’t it? It’s a fantastic car that has one of the most exciting quali modes (in terms of driving experience) and people are moaning because a virtual car is electric. THEY ALL ARE!
The real life support for winged Sprint cars vs. non-winged Sprint cars (the ones in the sprint cup) is pretty skewed. Also, when those wings come off those cars get so much harder to drive!!
I would love dirt road. But the physics isn't just realistic. The car slides and slides and has no grip at all. I'm sure iracing is aware of that and gave an update that there will be an overhaul
I disagree with the Mission R sounds, I like it
I think if the visibility out of the brazilian stock cars were better and had abs tc and no push to pass it might have replaced the caddy and got quite good participation as a D class series. I remember the F3.5 although it still hade somewhat participation, I stopped driving it due to others not driving it so much anymore. It just got below a threashold where the participation was too low where the intrest falls. It is also not helped by most of the low participation beeing paid cars.
SR8 was not popular if I remember right and then they made it free and it had allways 1-2 splits for most times of day.
Kamel GT and williams f1 (is it still popular with the mercs f1? Don't know anymore) is not popular but it got a decicated folowing on certain timeslots, and their leagues.
I believe also the spread of series is a problem too, f vee, formula 1600, skip barber, formula renault 2.0, f3, formula 3.5, indy 2000 and pro 2000, ir04.
They eat each other and pulling all of them down. Had they focused, replaced the old and not tried to run 6 series in paralell where many of them eat each others popularity we would see more healty participation and not be so hesitant when there is ANOTHER new series which we already know is going to have low participation before it is even released.
The new 1600 may not have low participation, but it will streach the skippy/vee participation out to another car as a result all of them having more mediocer participation.
Like, why did we have the ruf when we had p cup (911 (wherever that went) AND 992). Why did we have kia when TCRs came, why did we have jetta when TCRs came. Finally we replaced the jetta...but initially I thought they might not and just add the clio beside it.
I'd love for people to race more sprint car and silver crown. But they're easily the hardest two cars to drive in the sim. I just hope they make AI for it so I can actually race them against something
I have fun just test driving the silver crown car.... It's difficulty level is actually helpful for me. The cars break traction so easy, it works as a great throttle control trainer. I take it and run laps at Langley Speedway (since I have real world experience there). The physics for the track are way out in left field, but it's a load of fun trying to figure out how to turn good lap times and not spin the car ever couple laps.
@@aaronthomas6155 to be fair, the scan for Langley is extremely old on iRacing, so it's probably very different irl now than it was when they scanned it
@@andrewsurowiec80 The track has been repaved a few times over the years but the banking in the turns has never changed so the physics wouldn't really be any different.
5:10 I know it's subjective but Silver Crowns and Asphalt sprints have a huge following in the Midwest and regionally in the Eastern and Southern U.S.
Although it doesn't change the fact that they are a dead series 😅
If we got an actual silver crown I think that'd help some. The car we have now which is not a silver crown is thankfully dead in real life and didn't lost long at all. Although there are some people running them in road courses today in real life.
Rallycross is so wasted, has so much potential
I got away from IRacing because they were more focused on NASCAR than open wheel. I was hoping for years that IRacing would have developed a early 90’s F1 or IndyCar, but they didn’t. AMS2 at least have attempted to fill that void. I don’t have anything against those that like NASCAR, but IRacing essentially is now a NASCAR game.
I've SOOO wanted to race the Sprint Cup series. I've never seen it populated.
According Derek is Tuesday and Thursday 9pm eastern. I might try to show up for some next season
The mission R's issue is that it drives like trash, I don't care about the sound that much but it drives like its a brick on a tug boat.
Tbh I didn't even know what the car was in the thumbnail, that's how little attention I paid to the Mission R, although as much as I'm a big sim racing guy weirdly I'm not a huge car guy.
Tbf, the issue with dirt road is iRacings lack luster approach to it... the contact model is garbage, you lean one someone (as you should in RX) and get yeeted into the wall at warp speed, there are penetrable pylons on some tracks that can give you a hyper lap time, and one corner on brands hatch where it's quicker to run wide and hit the gravel on the outside of the turn that's meant to slow the cars down, than jt is to run the apex on the racing surface
Same goes for dirt oval, so much needs to be done with their contact model, tyre model, tyre wear etc that hasn't been touched since release
To be fair, there's a lot that iRacing needs to fix. My local track, for example.... Real race cars typically push going into turns 1 and 3, and drivers accelerate from the center out. Most wrecks on the track, in real life, happen from people over-driving the corner and pushing up into another car or they brake too hard trying to get the front to turn and lock up the rear tires. In iRacing, the cars get loose going into turns 1 and 3....
Call me crazy but another series that I feel like doesn’t get a lot of love at all honestly is Australian Supercars. The cars are fun to drive but I think that it’s mostly something that Australians race for good reason & it just hasn’t attracted many Americans or even other clubs. Personally I enjoy it, but I feel like there’s barely any splits. I try to race & im lucky if I ever catch one, but usually it’s popular when I’m in bed. Prob why
The brazilian stock car was doomed from the start, there's an alternative brazilian simulator which is cheaper, has all the tracks and cars, the brazilian community still races them, but on private and e-sport leagues
iRacing also fumbled with the model, there are cars where the button box is mounted in the roof and doesn't affect the view at all, it's baffling that no one realized that the current model would be a problem, especially for people running single screens.
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gonna try and get a discord going for stock car brasil.
I actually liked dirt road and oval racing in rookies especially the truck one. I think its fun but its easy to fuck your racing up by crashing into somebody with the truck and getting your aerodynamic parts destroyed and then get significantly slower because of it that was my main issue with truck dirt road racing otherwise its fine but it seemed unfair when somebody pressed against me and because of that my driving got fucked. Otherwise all of these series is fun in my opinion.
I race dirt in real life so i am of course more drawn to the dirt stuff. Not racing a downforce car irl (like a winged sprint), I love the wingless sprint cars and I feel like they're more fun than the winged cars. If anyone wants help with setups I can help and teach some of yall. Hit me up please I want those series to have racers again
Despite agreeing with pretty much everything, there are a couple pointys I don't really.
First about the open set criteria. That point is not relevant, as it will depend on 2 other factors. The first one being the setup complexity, the other the iRacing provided setups. If the car is too complex to setup, yes that's gonna be a good point to hold people, but if iRacing gives good reference setups that will fix most of that. On the other hand, if you have fixed setups and iRacing ones are garbage, you're f***** up, and 99% of the time, people won't ask for anyone actually driving the car about a setup or some help, they will just give up on it. So in the end I'd say that as long as we have access to decent provided setups, whether the series is open or fixed won't change that much.
About the IR-01 enjoyment. To me it's not enjoyable only if you spent a dozen of minutes in it, cause yes it's hard and unusual to drive. But when you get your hands on it, seeing yourself fly through corners at unbelievable speeds makes it very enjoyable.
For the Mission R, it's ot really enjoyable to drive, not only talking about its sound, but about the behaviour too. Q mode offers some interesting challenge though, but being a fixed series despite extremely simple garage settings dragged it even deeper. About the engine sound, well, as iRacing has mediocre implementation of any of them, the sound is an information more than a melody I can enjoy to listen. So the electric sound having a pitch, it provides the needed info on speed, so I don't mind about that.
For the oval series I can't tell, as I don't really race them, apart from a very few car/track combos, I get bored after a couple laps.
Radical Series died so bad, i really enjoyed racing these cars but throwing them into the trash for a pay car is not worth it, at least put them on another multiclass series but they just killed the car
This was one of the reasons I quit iRacing. Youd put time and effort in to getting ready for a series you enjoyed and itd never pop. Then theyd release a million more cars, dilute things further and its like, why bother?
Dude what about the ir-01 handling, I have had more shopping trolleys that steer less in the rear than the ir-01, all of the pro drivers commented on this, iracing ignored them, dead series and they keep running it???
The sound of the Mission R is one thing, but no gears, TERRIBLE understeer, and a generally slow handling car is just boring to drive for me. The sound is just the corn on top of the shit pile.
Porsche Mission R, is a great car...... BUT NOT FOR I RACING
Why? Maybe coz it's a rip-off to ask double (120) the original sub price, as infra prices and optimisation goes down with years?
Instead of halving it (30), which would easily bring x4-10 times more subs (returning the same sub total amounts as 120) PLUS gazillion$$$ on virtual copies of content they sell (but block usage to offline with or without AI without a sub). People would sub only to forget to race it!!
Thus 30/year price would make all series FULL and a KING title would be really true and popular, not just for a strange among people without calculators in mind (500-2000$ for a sim, when there AC/rF2/AMS2... Rennsport and AC2 on horison.. People would better invest 1-2k in hardware instead).
Sadly or gladly, iRacing managers got other plans and calc-sheets.
P.S. I've supported the platform for first 5 years, with 0.7K spent. I respect the sim and team behind. I believe it deserves more popularity and success.
Really easy, money, the service its getting old and every time they release paid content has to be perfect, because people that already put a lot of money down they are problably having an amazing experience with their 3 or 4 fauvorite series. I haven bought any car in the past two years, only tracks because i already have my gt3 car, my gt3 car, my tcr and a prototype. The new f4 seems really promising but i feel that it is the 15th rookie formula and all of them are dead, only the formula bee lives on now.
Not sure why the sound of the Mission R is the main thing keeping people away. Seems silly. I did a full season no issue.
Real reason, imo, is how understeery it is. It’s kinda ridiculous.
Fair that does seem like a common sentiment
Everyone has a different sensitivity to the sound. Personally, I couldn't listen to it for long periods of time.
Understeering is a very big part for me, but the sound is what absolutely kills it for me. If I could completely mute the sound of the motor, but nothing else and play music in the background I'd probably race it, but since that sound is always there even turned down, I can't it gives me headaches.
Midgets are half the reason i will get iracing. acc is a better gt3 experience and dirt is about the only real big miss on pc atm. Theres nothing outside of iracing.
You guys cry too much about Stock car's visibility lol. Its a bit like Supercars honestly. The bad advertising of series (GT3 racers were thinking those would be close to them. But in reality the car is a sillouette where you sit um the backseat like supercars or rallycars) and the high price in the Series original country (you pay close to 300 bucks per season in Brazil) contributed to the death of the series.
I bought the Mission R and haven't raced it once. Took it out for a few practice laps and wanted to kill myself after hearing the EAR RAPE whine.... it's soooo bad.
Fixed setups is the bane of iracing! Should be abolished!
Im a sprint car and silver crown regular, and while it hurts me that the series dont get that much love, we've created such a great and tight knit community that it really doesnt matter that we dont do C-Fixed numbers
I'm definitely trying to get to B class and run the silver crowns because they look like soooo much fun
When I raced iracing I made it a point to run silver crowns, y'all have a great community and those cars on bigger tracks are so much fun cause it reminds me of how the cars ran in NR4 back in the day. Whenever I decide to come back it's going to be my regular series
I might have to pickup the sprints.
I dont think anyone races the Stock Car Brasil in iRacing, because its cheaper and overall better to do it in Automobilista.
I'm not an iracer but what could be cool for iRacing to do would be to have a "variety" series where both the cars and tracks both change throughout the weeks, but you get to drive that series without necessarily owning the content. It would give a lot of attention to some of these less common cars and tracks that could be really fun to race on if you could only get a full grid.
Too blind from greed to see that
Yeah, having some way to test stuff out and experiment without the financial investment would be great
I was super interested in the Stock Car Brasil series and was planning to buy into it as my primary road series until I realized how dead the series is. Yes, the car's visibility sucks but I really think it's blown out of proportion. As an oval racer, I personally love stock car racing on road courses and it's hard to find good online multiplayer racing for it so that series sounded very appealing. But I really think it's the skill of the car that killed it, combined with low recognition and iRacing failing to expand the tracks to actually include more circuits from the real Brasil tour in the series.
I drive the Stock Car Brasil cars offline in an AI championship in AMS2 and it is so much fun. It requires throttle control, constantly paying attention, brake modulating, etc. You can't just go throw it around tracks with minimal practice like a GT4/GT3 car and I think that's where it loses people's interests. It's a "slower" car that requires a lot of skill to constantly maintain and that is just not a big "fun factor" for most people. Toss in low recognition, lack of real world tracks, bad cockpit visibility and it was clearly doomed...
I also love Dirt Road (rally and trucks) and really want to see iRacing expand content there to hopefully bring in more people. I'm tired of the constant focus for GT3/GT4 and Formula content. I know it's the popular stuff these days but ugh, it's so overdone and boring to me now. At least we're getting some exciting new oval content this season!
I'm planning on getting the car to run it with my buddy. Still hoping to see the series somewhat active one day
@MxneyyyyGaming Same. I just keep hoping they will make it a free car. I think the series would see some decent participation then. It's really hard to find race sessions in the evening hours of the US for most Road Series. The only Road Series that stay popular past EU evening hours are the Rookie classes and GT3/GT4 and the F4/Super Formula Series.
I'm really not into those cars and every other Road Series is a ghost town by 10 or 11pm Eastern time, which is when I race the most. So, sadly Road Racing isn't very viable for me on iRacing unless I want to run the Mazda, GR86, Formula Vee, Ray, GT3/GT4, F4, Super Formula. All other series are pretty dead outside of prime time EU hours.
@@Maverik770 yeah I noticed that. Definitely would love to see more activity on the road side of things
i have to defend Stock car here, im not in pc, but i can say, iRacing is expensive for most brazilians, and we have Automobilista, that is a BR simulatior mainly for brazilian categories
That is a valid point
I will say, Having driven the Stock Car in both I do prefer how it drives in Automobilista, plus having all the Brazilian tracks to go with it is another plus.
Dirt legends just kinda... doesn't exist in most parts of the US. That and they drive very weirdly to be honest. Street stocks are just the more fun and popular route
Silver crown and sprint cup are awesome to drive.
I’ve said this before, the dead series need to be made into unranked multiclass races.
That way people can race different cars with out worrying about having to do hours of practice and ruining your safety or irating.
That be so gnarly.
Yes, yes, yes. Like week 13 racing. I wish they would have longer races like that.