You can find all the sources for this video as well as links to the websites of the artists who contributed to it on my blog: survivethejive.blogspot.com/2022/09/ship-of-sun-or-ship-of-dead-stone-ships.html
Been watching a lot of other nations TV because it isn't moronicaly woke and was watching something from Iceland the other night and Asa was pronounced slightly differently more of an Ousa sound it was about their folk tales of changlings quite dark but enjoyable called Katla after that volcano
@@cazrealist1 Yes indeed. The Icelandic Á is pronounced “Ow.” Like “Ásatrú” pronounced “Ow-sa-troo.” You hear it a lot when they say “yes” or YÁ (Yow.). Kind of cute to me actually.😄
@@mbm8404 yes it did sound cute , the way other cultures speak and pronounce their language seems more connected to the land and each other , our language seems quite foreign and unconnected I would love to hear old English spoken in it's truest form and not this modern language we use now
I know this is becoming a cliché to say, but the quality of these short documentaries is outstanding. The information and presentation is far better than anything on any history channel, and the editing has become at least as good.
@@Survivethejive Yes I lived in Chitral Kalasha village when I was 6.. we move to Islamabad later on many of my family has become Muslim (Im only one along with my brother retaining kalasha religion we both brothers) but good thing they only marry other kalasha and not mix outside kalasha
Interesting that the stone ships began in Gotland, a lot of things seem to have come out of that Island. I wonder if it was a place considered prestigious or sacred in the ancient world
Just because the earliest stone ship setting has been found in Gotland, it does not mean the tradition started there. Stone ships are still uncovered. Not too long ago a large stone ship setting was found outside Arhus in Denmark, i can't remember it's age.
They have a creation myth very different to snorris'. It's euhemerised but in it, thialvi has a wife Vitastierna, who dreams of 3 serpents growing in her womb. She gives birth to 3 sons who were the first of the gotland race. Quite likely this is the identity of the "snake witch" on that stone. Evidently thialvi and his wife were gods or mythical founding ancestors.
There are also fascinating accounts of Sky or Spirit Boats arriving in Ireland. The most famous was at Clonmacnoise. But in the 740s: "When the men of Ireland were celebrating the Assembly with Domnall MacMurchad they saw three ships voyaging in the air above them” (Book of Leinster) (Carey, ‘Ariel Ships and Underwater Monasteries’, 1992).
Could this be a Saxon or Norse influence? The Spirit Ship arrived at an Irish Council (the wrong ‘Thing’) 🙂 The episode has always intrigued Irish scholars and it inspired our poet Seamus Heaney (Lightenings VIII in ‘Seeing Things’ 1991).
I think that would be pre-Norse influence. Plenty of ship imagery in Gaelic archaeology as well like the wonderful golden boat from the Broighter Hoard
@@Survivethejive Yes and it is said the Tuatha De Danann arrived in storm clouds 🙂 The modern artist Jim Fitzpatrick always gives them a very Norse look in his artwork - 'Coming of the Tuatha'. I might use Midjourney to fashion something more Gaelic.
I would like to go back before the calamity of 536, I bet that mixed things up quite a bit. Also, I would like to go back to before it became popular to become a mercenary in Rome bringing huge cultural influence from the Roman military camps, so maybe 100 bc.
@@martinan22 Any point in Germanic prehistory would be super interesting to visit. The Bronze Age is another time period that I would really like to experience, not least to hear what their language sounded like.
@@martinan22 In my opinion the Viking Age marks the last truly Indo-European period in European history. I have no doubt that Viking Age Scandinavia must have been a truly fascinating and diverse place to visit.
Thanks Tom. Another thought-provoking Documentary 🙂 Procopius also describes a ‘Brittia’ (Britain) where dead souls are conveyed by boat (Procopius, Gothic War, book 8, passage 20). I’ve always wondered if this was a confused description of early English belief. Maybe conveyed through the Franks or some other sixth century Germanic people?
I wonder if the maritime migrations formed or fostered these beliefs? The Angles, Saxons and Jutes had to connect with the land of their ancestral dead. I was thinking about this recently due to the Silmarillion. Tolkien might have worked some of these ideas into his Elf voyages?
I listened to a bit of your ad just to listen to your Scottish accent, it was very pleasant XD you're plenty aristocratic already as i recall though mr rowsell :) Thanks for a very interesting video. I find the bronze age, at least with respect to scandinavia, much more interesting than the iron age and the style and culture of that time seems more suited to my temperament.
There may still be echoes of these beliefs and perhaps a window into the minds of our ancestors, to this day, some veterans of WW2 have themselves entombed with their comrades into protected grave sites such as the USS Arizona at the Navy base in Hawaii. The Arizona was sunk durning the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 and remains as a burial site to this day.
Could you pls make a video about the Sky Disc of Nebra it contains a sky bark / ship simular to what is depicted in your video plus many more astrology based knowledge / religious beliefs of the Bronze Age. - Thank you in the forehand :D ❤
The most interesting ancient site in Sweden is Falköping in my mind, although not a stoneship. Its the place in Sweden with the most barrows by far and the monuments/barrows there (which are old, like 3300 bc old) creates a sacred geometric shape between them over kilometers that gives the Golden section. The latitude of Falköping is where the sun at high noon at equinox at that time BC created a shadow that is 1.618 times the length of an object. The ancient knew this and decided to sacrilize the whole area. You could say make a temple out of the whole area. theres also a 3-4-5 triangle at Karleby over some distance. ...Lars Bägerfeldt's research
@@soderlund3610 i havnt looked into that site yet but generally we should stop saying burials, we should look at them more as monuments or temples, these are sites primarily for the living. though they sure can serve several purposes.
Firstly i got a lot of spare time to read (about paganism and culture) at work today, AND i got to pet a dog, AND THEN i got to pet a cat on the way home from work, AND THEN another STJ video is up. somebody up there likes me :D
Off topic here, but would you consider making a video or series of videos on the state of the IEMT? I feel like so many of us came to you late and some of your videos may be out of date. What I am proposing is a full composition of what we know and what the current state of the IEMT is.
Do you think the Stone Ships were a reference to a huge battle that acknowledge the Ship and the Stones represented the great warriors who died in battle? just a thought . . .
I wonder if the nordic bronze age people and the early germanic people had boats as large as their rock boat monuments (not in size, but in thickness I mean)
I do consider myself a true Scotsman, I come from Clan Gunn. My family has lived on the North American continent for hundreds of years but Britannia, Germany, Russia and ancient Rome exist Within Me. Wherever I Go I carry the Bio-Spirit of Western Civilization!
My last pure Scottish ancestor died in 1905, yet my overall Scottish ancestry is about 6%. Sorry to inform you that if your people have lived in USA for centuries then you are likely to have even less Scottish ancestry than me!
Please do a show about Skull and bones and the various secret societies of the old world cultures. Also days of worship for these circles of people and sects such as these. I think if you take an esoteric approach to your research YOU will see results. ASK me if you need help, I can direct you to some knowledge of such matters. BUT I am sure you can figure out where to look. Thank you for educating us all.
Where do you get the shots of the paintings, carvings, an locations, for your video without violating copyright. I would lvoe to make my own documentaries. Do you go on location and film them?
Fascinating video! Are we sure they are ships? And not female May poles, as it were? In at least Swedish tradition, the May pole is directed downwards, to impregnate the earth. So, well, isn't it a possibility to consider? Also, the explanation I heard for the horse-ship motif on Gotland picture stones is that chieftains would build their hold half a days march from the sea, to give them time to prepare against ship raiders. So when they had important guests they would send horses to the shore to aid them in visiting the chieftain. And sending the horse of the chieftain himself became a symbol of special honour. Hence, if this is translated to the afterlife, the dead man travel to the realm of the dead on a ship, and then he is depicted riding an eight legged horse to show that he has the special favour of Odin. Anyway, just the explanation I heard.
well the bigger stones are at the front and back like a boat. The placement near the sea and petroglyphs of boats also seems to tie in with the boat thing.
@@Survivethejive Yes, I agree, especially since ships loom so large on petroglyphs, burials, stories. Just thought I would mention it as a possibility that should be eliminated. Also, edited my previous comment while you posted yours.
Mon Djak below commented about the calamity of 536. Made me wonder, that whilst as you state it was a gradual evolution of beliefs, that event and the lack of sun light for some years killed off sun worship? After all its my understanding there were many sacrifices made around that time of treasure and animals - so if that did not work would you not turn your back on old beliefs about sun worship? Just a thought that came to me - zero evidence for this, that I know of.
Very interesting. Dr Patrick MacCafferty (Queen's University Belfast) has suggested this for Sixth Century Ireland. Search on RUclips for - 'Is this the reason Ireland converted to Christianity' (Smithsonian Channel).
In this very interesting film about iron making and development in ancient sweden you can, at about 46 minutes, see how ironmaking lowered terrible during the justinian plague perhaps relatively more than during the black death, that is also visible. In other cases it seems as if large parts of sweden went desolated. It seems to be a very big cultural shift. ruclips.net/video/drtItTiotJM/видео.html
If you ever happen to delve into Victorian era Britain and do videos on that perioid Tom, It would be great if you talked about the Lost Franklin Expedition. Britain is such a Nation Known for it's naval might, so I hope sometime down the line you do some videos involving the Royal Navy. Hell, I'm sure you have some relatives that probably served in the royal navy as officers or seaman Expeditions Wikipedia page for reference. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin%27s_lost_expedition
@@Survivethejive Now latest dna studies show we are more related to Latvia and Lithuania than fins. Even my own and two of my mates personal dna shows we are largely Baltic.But we look different than them. I have lots of German friends and they all say Estonian men look like germans. My name suggest finnish but my father was adopted by a fin.
They are not ships, they are the shape of the vagina from where all human life is conceived and from where we all journey from into this life (via water at birth no less), with the stones being phallic symbols the other half of the conception. The mounds represent the breast, the source of early nourishment. Yes they traveled in ships, but there is a sense that the ships are shaped both practically, yet less coincidentally in the same vaginal shape. It makes sense that they would travel in the ships to the new lands over water, exiting the ships into the water then on to the new land.
Don't you think it fair to say that strictly dividing gatherings into religious, legal and political is a very modern (and arguably even today a wrong) idea? The specifics when relying on witnesses, oaths etc. is always a cultural/ religious matter (weighing which person is more likely to bear false witness when two competing stories don't add up for instance.... even today when western courts tend to believe everyone equally, that says something about religious/ cultural beliefs.... in that example obviously ridiculous ones, as there are easily determinable proxies about peoples perceptiveness.
While Iceland preserved our ancestors language and stories - we here in Sweden have our own ancestors handy work- love visiting the stones and burials. I literally have a stone near my house from viking age that is just about a family - they literally put that in stone. Honoring your family was very very important back in the day.
@@Survivethejive So do I, its a real object I can literally touch and see with my own eyes today and most likely an ancestor took part in setting up or write in - because... I have 2 parents, they had 4 parents together, they 8, they 16 they 32, they 64, they 128, they 256- well you and others know math, its almost 95% likely im related to most of the vikings who lived in Sweden ( I do understand that some towns didnt communicate and was isolated for centuries though). I mean, I have family who was there at Stockholms blood bath documented and only a few 1000 people lived in Stockholm then for ex.
@@quezcatol Assuming the aristocratic family trees are correct, on my father's mother's mother's side, I have ancestors such as Erik the Victorious (Segersäll), Olof Skötkonung, Harald Bluetooth, Sweyn Forkbeard, Haakon Sigurdsson and many others. And that's just on one small section of the family, from father or mother to son or daughter and so on. It's an insane amount of names in just this section of the family tree, and given the small population at the time, it is very likely that there is at least some link to pretty much everyone.
@@-RXB- Right, and we know swedish families who are related to Skötkonung, even been historians on tv talking about it- one famous swede for ex is Stefan Holm. I´m (...and many many more) related to Engelbrekt on his brother side through my grandma for ex -- if we are to believe the lines been intact etc and no "cheating" ;)
The European Spirit is awakening ... (which is actually a particularisation of World Spirit) ... European pagans usually look back to the past and think "Look what we've lost ! The knowledge, the art, the virtues, the wisdom, the strength, etc." ... but they don't see themselves as re-constructing, re-establishing, re-creating the European religion ... Never before had so many Europeans (all people, actually) had access to so much knowledge about their religious and spiritual roots. Individuals are giving themselves their own spiritual self-consciousness, all over the world (but mostly in the West, as of now), through the Internet ...
@@chrisjordon864 I know ! Because my Spirit and the European / World-spirit are connected (you can check my channel for more information about this !).
Help me Survive the jive 😳😳😳😳. In my region, which we can call Latium vetus to let you understand (I live close to the ancient town of Tusculum), it is full of megalitic walls. Tens of sites, and tens of kilometers of walls. The most famous are Alatri, Circeo, Segni and Norba, but there are many many others. AND NOBODY KNOWS WHO BUILT THEM !!!! On many sites the are information plates on which they say the Romans built them 🤪🤪🤪🤪 !!!! Please help me Survive the jive. Let the world know who built them 😀😀😀😀.
So it's important that we be buried with some kind of transport? I wonder if it'd help if i were buried in a canoe. Or maybe with chest waders, or good hiking boots or a bicycle.
This has gotta be my favourite area. It's interesting because the divine twins are psychopomps as they can traverse realms through their celestial role. The bronze age razors you mention, present the divine twins as analogous to the solar ship, zoomophically forming the prow and stem. The idea of a vogelbarke (bird boat) is an urnfield/ Hallstatt tradition. The solar deity was initially envisioned as a waterfowl which has a very ancient origin, (dupljaja chariot) and waterfowl were also tripartite creatures often portrayed as psychopomps. The birds that follow the milky way to the south with the sun, that carry Apollo's chariot to Hyperborea etc. Anyway, these symbols certainly persisted because across many burial sites in north Germany and la tene artefacts are fibula/ brooches with an S shape which when facing forwards have the shape of a horse's head (in some cases, also my theory, so just a guess). The brooches pin zoomorphically formed the beak of a waterfowl. So these were deposited as burial items as a psychopomp, an apotropaic to help assist the deceased to cross the boundary safely. At 20:30 the Gotland stone shows a reflex of this, the two spheres are adorned with an S-shaped abstract animal which is most likely the divine waterfowl of the sun. The same symbol is seen on the Vendel I helmet which forms the eyebrows. However Vendel I helmet is slightly analogous to the Horse haired Vekso helmets which have the same Bird boat symbol embossed on its base if you look carefully, the same symbol that appears on Etruscan ceremonial helmets. Also important to say that a reflex of this helmet tradition, the Sutton hoo helmet was designed to look one-eyed with the garnet and gold and so it very likely portrayed Odin as you know, Odin who is inseparable from the divine twins as suggested by his relation to the vogelbarke symbol. So yeah, fascinating topic, also interesting how the PIE divine twins likely developed into Sleipnir, the boundary crossing horse of Odin, Yggdrasil (Odin horse, which implies death through the kenning for a gallow) the cosmic conduit between realms. Interestingly enough the Vedic Ashvattha tree is also deeply tied to the Ashvins and their festival Azvina, on the 14th day libations were presented to the primordial divine twin Yama, perhaps a cyclical imitation of the first cosmic sacrifice that formed earth. Interestingly the last 8 days of Azvina were a time of sickness known as Yamadamstra (Yamas fang) also meaning the stab of a dagger and poison. So they're tied to cyclical creation and death.
Yea and the divine twins would ride along with the sun and fight off malign creatures of the underworld to protect the person's soul as they protected the sun and provided it with propulsion. It's like a shamanic kinda thing because the boat has the physical qualities of a bird or horse that allows it to fly and move.
I wouldn’t think a RUclips comment is one of the more interesting things I’ve read recently, but here we are. What would be your recommended reading for more like this?
I wonder if the 8 legged horse of Odin was an evolution of an earlier story of an indo european conquerer who rode a chariot drawn by two horses? And when you depict them from the side it would look like one horse with 8 legs.
Do you think it's possible that attitudes and rules of behaviour on board ships made them useful places for political discussion? Maybe rules of order, prohibitions on violence, a sense of being shipmates, etc that people wanted to bring onshore to facilitate politics?
If the stone ships settings are so old it means that the nordic peoples were shipbuilders and seafarers much, much earlier. As the scandinavian shield is gradually rising it might be worthwhile to look up high in the hills for more and older traces.
This is a good video but missing a huge part of the puzzle which is looking at it with the archeoastronomy lens, the lens of sacred geometry/astro geometry, sacred geodesi and sacred metrology. Ale Stenar is located on the latitude where the lines of the solstices and equinoxes creates a cross that creates a square. The ancients saw meaning in this and decided to monumentalize the site in stone in the spirit of as above so below and sacred geometry (as they also did in places such as Crucuno Brittany where they sacrilized that exact latitude with a 3-4 rectangle because the sun there creates a 3-4 rectangle or 2 3-4-5 pythagorean triangles). These sites should all be seen in the same light as the Pyramids, Ziggurats, Ankor Wat etc.. i.e build with the same occult knowledge template and sacred geometry.
Discover Georgia and a specially Abuli Megalithic Fortress! Also, you have to see the Grakliani Hill (with the letters of more then 12000 years old) and Trialeti Kurgans (which are older then Yamnaya Culture). Then, keep in mind word KHARI (the Bull - in Georgian), IBERIA and KHALDE. After that we can discuss on ancient History of the old world.
Very interesting. I remember that you have been talking about this for quite some time. Nice to see your thoughts, hypotheses and theories finally be put together in a video.
Perhaps the shift from a boat to a horse on the picture stones of gotland represents a shifting belief from a communal transition to the afterlife (i.e the actions of the whole group decides the outcome of the afterlife) to a individuals own influence on their life and subsequent fate in the afterlife? Purely speculation based on the fact that a boat can carry a group but a horse only carry one (or two) people.
Early on in the video, the Picture Stone shown is rather phallic looking. Do you think that may have been intentional, or coincidence? Oh, and great video. Really cool stuff. If only we knew more.
@@Survivethejive You can't even put a spade in the ground on Öland without finding something old 🤭 On my doughters boyfriends property on Öland, they found the biggest roman solidus hoard in all of Scandinavia. The ringforts are amazing.
You can find all the sources for this video as well as links to the websites of the artists who contributed to it on my blog: survivethejive.blogspot.com/2022/09/ship-of-sun-or-ship-of-dead-stone-ships.html
BTW, my Icelandic friends tell me my name “Marvin” means “sea friend” in the old Norse poetic languages.
Mar = Sea
Vinur/vin = Friend
Been watching a lot of other nations TV because it isn't moronicaly woke and was watching something from Iceland the other night and Asa was pronounced slightly differently more of an Ousa sound it was about their folk tales of changlings quite dark but enjoyable called Katla after that volcano
@@cazrealist1 Yes indeed. The Icelandic Á is pronounced “Ow.” Like “Ásatrú” pronounced “Ow-sa-troo.” You hear it a lot when they say “yes” or YÁ (Yow.). Kind of cute to me actually.😄
@@mbm8404 yes it did sound cute , the way other cultures speak and pronounce their language seems more connected to the land and each other , our language seems quite foreign and unconnected I would love to hear old English spoken in it's truest form and not this modern language we use now
love your videos always great bless
I know this is becoming a cliché to say, but the quality of these short documentaries is outstanding. The information and presentation is far better than anything on any history channel, and the editing has become at least as good.
I love it when there’s a new STJ video!🙏🥰
Hi im a Urban Kalasha (my english is not good so apology for errors) I watch all your videos it help me get information of my ancestors
You come from chitral?
@@Survivethejive Yes I lived in Chitral Kalasha village when I was 6.. we move to Islamabad later on many of my family has become Muslim (Im only one along with my brother retaining kalasha religion we both brothers) but good thing they only marry other kalasha and not mix outside kalasha
@@norwegiiirs6900 you will be blessed for not betraying the gods of your forefathers
@@Survivethejive yes
@@Survivethejive But I worry how we will fully preserve kalasha traditions with so many of my people abandoning them
Interesting that the stone ships began in Gotland, a lot of things seem to have come out of that Island. I wonder if it was a place considered prestigious or sacred in the ancient world
A refuge from olden times that preserved the olde knowledge perhaps?
@@LandersWorkshop Ior Bock said that people survived a great cataclysm long ago by living in caves in Gotland.
Just because the earliest stone ship setting has been found in Gotland, it does not mean the tradition started there. Stone ships are still uncovered. Not too long ago a large stone ship setting was found outside Arhus in Denmark, i can't remember it's age.
Perhaps it was viewed the way the druids used Anglesey
They have a creation myth very different to snorris'. It's euhemerised but in it, thialvi has a wife Vitastierna, who dreams of 3 serpents growing in her womb. She gives birth to 3 sons who were the first of the gotland race. Quite likely this is the identity of the "snake witch" on that stone. Evidently thialvi and his wife were gods or mythical founding ancestors.
There are also fascinating accounts of Sky or Spirit Boats arriving in Ireland. The most famous was at Clonmacnoise. But in the 740s: "When the men of Ireland were celebrating the Assembly with Domnall MacMurchad they saw three ships voyaging in the air above them” (Book of Leinster) (Carey, ‘Ariel Ships and Underwater Monasteries’, 1992).
Could this be a Saxon or Norse influence? The Spirit Ship arrived at an Irish Council (the wrong ‘Thing’) 🙂 The episode has always intrigued Irish scholars and it inspired our poet Seamus Heaney (Lightenings VIII in ‘Seeing Things’ 1991).
I think that would be pre-Norse influence. Plenty of ship imagery in Gaelic archaeology as well like the wonderful golden boat from the Broighter Hoard
@@Survivethejive Yes and it is said the Tuatha De Danann arrived in storm clouds 🙂 The modern artist Jim Fitzpatrick always gives them a very Norse look in his artwork - 'Coming of the Tuatha'. I might use Midjourney to fashion something more Gaelic.
Very interesting! Do we have any Stone Boats in Ireland?
I so wish I could go back to the 800's travel through Scandinavia and interview them about their beliefs.
@@Bcfcuklhpwalker What in the world are you talking about?
I would like to go back before the calamity of 536, I bet that mixed things up quite a bit. Also, I would like to go back to before it became popular to become a mercenary in Rome bringing huge cultural influence from the Roman military camps, so maybe 100 bc.
@@martinan22 Any point in Germanic prehistory would be super interesting to visit. The Bronze Age is another time period that I would really like to experience, not least to hear what their language sounded like.
@@martinan22 In my opinion the Viking Age marks the last truly Indo-European period in European history. I have no doubt that Viking Age Scandinavia must have been a truly fascinating and diverse place to visit.
@Joske Vermeulen Fadlan could not speak the language of the Rus but his account is still invaluable.
Great video. Beautifully done. As always, highly insightful, interesting and entertaining. Well done, my friend.
You've really upped the video editing! Well done. As always, great topic.
Glad you enjoyed it!
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Thanks Tom. Another thought-provoking Documentary 🙂 Procopius also describes a ‘Brittia’ (Britain) where dead souls are conveyed by boat (Procopius, Gothic War, book 8, passage 20). I’ve always wondered if this was a confused description of early English belief. Maybe conveyed through the Franks or some other sixth century Germanic people?
I wonder if the maritime migrations formed or fostered these beliefs? The Angles, Saxons and Jutes had to connect with the land of their ancestral dead. I was thinking about this recently due to the Silmarillion. Tolkien might have worked some of these ideas into his Elf voyages?
Great connection and interesting idea. Perhaps the entrance to the next world was considered to be across the sea?
@@drraoulmclaughlin7423 possibly but the natives of Britain and ireland also had some belief about the soul journeying to an island in the West
Scandinavian culture is so beautiful
Ships for Nordics = Horses & Chariots for Celts
Forever one of my favourite channels
All of your videos make my life 88% better.
I listened to a bit of your ad just to listen to your Scottish accent, it was very pleasant XD you're plenty aristocratic already as i recall though mr rowsell :)
Thanks for a very interesting video. I find the bronze age, at least with respect to scandinavia, much more interesting than the iron age and the style and culture of that time seems more suited to my temperament.
Great video as always.
There may still be echoes of these beliefs and perhaps a window into the minds of our ancestors, to this day, some veterans of WW2 have themselves entombed with their comrades into protected grave sites such as the USS Arizona at the Navy base in Hawaii. The Arizona was sunk durning the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 and remains as a burial site to this day.
Great video, Tom !! Super narration - wonderful information & super videography !! Tack så mycket !! :)
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Thank you for another great video! Very educational and superbly presented!
Great video as always!
Great video 👍🏻
I always love your work. Thank you 😊
Thanks so much
Very well made video. I hope the upcoming abo video is just as good
Could you pls make a video about the Sky Disc of Nebra it contains a sky bark / ship simular to what is depicted in your video plus many more astrology based knowledge / religious beliefs of the Bronze Age.
- Thank you in the forehand :D ❤
I got some good footage of it at the British museum this summer
Thank you for your work.
The most interesting ancient site in Sweden is Falköping in my mind, although not a stoneship. Its the place in Sweden with the most barrows by far and the monuments/barrows there (which are old, like 3300 bc old) creates a sacred geometric shape between them over kilometers that gives the Golden section. The latitude of Falköping is where the sun at high noon at equinox at that time BC created a shadow that is 1.618 times the length of an object. The ancient knew this and decided to sacrilize the whole area. You could say make a temple out of the whole area. theres also a 3-4-5 triangle at Karleby over some distance. ...Lars Bägerfeldt's research
One of Swedens biggest and most interesting bronze age burial is Snäckedal a bit north of Oskarshamn
@@soderlund3610 i havnt looked into that site yet but generally we should stop saying burials, we should look at them more as monuments or temples, these are sites primarily for the living. though they sure can serve several purposes.
Awesome! Your videos keep getting better and better
You might like the song "Pagan Rites No Vocals" by Entropik
Firstly i got a lot of spare time to read (about paganism and culture) at work today, AND i got to pet a dog, AND THEN i got to pet a cat on the way home from work, AND THEN another STJ video is up. somebody up there likes me :D
Those helmets are very impressive
Off topic here, but would you consider making a video or series of videos on the state of the IEMT? I feel like so many of us came to you late and some of your videos may be out of date. What I am proposing is a full composition of what we know and what the current state of the IEMT is.
Ting is still used in Scandinavia
Fascinating.
Made me remember the ship related to the "Isis" of the Suebi that Tacitus means. Related to the goddess the Norse called Freyja? Ostara?
Possibly!
good video with lots to think about.
Do you think the Stone Ships were a reference to a huge battle that acknowledge the Ship and the Stones represented the great warriors who died in battle? just a thought . . .
Gonna take a shot every time I hear him say "Got[h]land"...
Top class
I wonder if the nordic bronze age people and the early germanic people had boats as large as their rock boat monuments
(not in size, but in thickness I mean)
speaking of denmark, I've been listening the hell out of mercyful fate/king diamond lately \m/
As a swede, thank you
Hi Tom, could you possibly reccomend some reading material for beginners in Germanic Paganism and or Paganism in general, thank you.
Hilda Ellis Davidson is good for beginners
@@Survivethejive I appreciate the author recommendation as most books on paganism, nowadays, are written by new age hacks.
Iirc, a lot of early churches were made to resemble boats. I wonder if that's related to elder European traditions.
Harold converted to the corpse god D:
I do consider myself a true Scotsman, I come from Clan Gunn.
My family has lived on the North American continent for hundreds of years but Britannia, Germany, Russia and ancient Rome exist Within Me.
Wherever I Go I carry the Bio-Spirit of Western Civilization!
My last pure Scottish ancestor died in 1905, yet my overall Scottish ancestry is about 6%. Sorry to inform you that if your people have lived in USA for centuries then you are likely to have even less Scottish ancestry than me!
11:23 the baptism of the stones
Very Hyperborean
On the farm where I grew up we had a stone-boat.
Please do a show about Skull and bones and the various secret societies of the old world cultures. Also days of worship for these circles of people and sects such as these. I think if you take an esoteric approach to your research YOU will see results. ASK me if you need help, I can direct you to some knowledge of such matters. BUT I am sure you can figure out where to look. Thank you for educating us all.
Its a jig to help to built boats so it stay straight during construction.
Where do you get the shots of the paintings, carvings, an locations, for your video without violating copyright. I would lvoe to make my own documentaries. Do you go on location and film them?
I film them, yes
Exactly what Stonehenge is imo... that and a place to go find a partner out of the family gene pool
Fascinating video!
Are we sure they are ships? And not female May poles, as it were? In at least Swedish tradition, the May pole is directed downwards, to impregnate the earth. So, well, isn't it a possibility to consider?
Also, the explanation I heard for the horse-ship motif on Gotland picture stones is that chieftains would build their hold half a days march from the sea, to give them time to prepare against ship raiders. So when they had important guests they would send horses to the shore to aid them in visiting the chieftain. And sending the horse of the chieftain himself became a symbol of special honour. Hence, if this is translated to the afterlife, the dead man travel to the realm of the dead on a ship, and then he is depicted riding an eight legged horse to show that he has the special favour of Odin. Anyway, just the explanation I heard.
well the bigger stones are at the front and back like a boat. The placement near the sea and petroglyphs of boats also seems to tie in with the boat thing.
@@Survivethejive Yes, I agree, especially since ships loom so large on petroglyphs, burials, stories. Just thought I would mention it as a possibility that should be eliminated. Also, edited my previous comment while you posted yours.
Mon Djak below commented about the calamity of 536. Made me wonder, that whilst as you state it was a gradual evolution of beliefs, that event and the lack of sun light for some years killed off sun worship? After all its my understanding there were many sacrifices made around that time of treasure and animals - so if that did not work would you not turn your back on old beliefs about sun worship? Just a thought that came to me - zero evidence for this, that I know of.
Very interesting. Dr Patrick MacCafferty (Queen's University Belfast) has suggested this for Sixth Century Ireland. Search on RUclips for - 'Is this the reason Ireland converted to Christianity' (Smithsonian Channel).
A Fimbulwinter 😲
@@drraoulmclaughlin7423 I shall put the kettle on when I get home and check that out - thanks.
In this very interesting film about iron making and development in ancient sweden you can, at about 46 minutes, see how ironmaking lowered terrible during the justinian plague perhaps relatively more than during the black death, that is also visible. In other cases it seems as if large parts of sweden went desolated. It seems to be a very big cultural shift.
ruclips.net/video/drtItTiotJM/видео.html
Nors, Denmark? That would be like finding a bunch of false flags in Americk, U.S.A.
yes true
If you ever happen to delve into Victorian era Britain and do videos on that perioid Tom, It would be great if you talked about the Lost Franklin Expedition. Britain is such a Nation Known for it's naval might, so I hope sometime down the line you do some videos involving the Royal Navy. Hell, I'm sure you have some relatives that probably served in the royal navy as officers or seaman
Expeditions Wikipedia page for reference.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin%27s_lost_expedition
I like to think that Gotland was a place of great religious importance to the early Norse
And Öland
You think a burning sword cannot kill a paper god? Hello, Thomas.
Aitäh!
Thank you my Finnic friend
@@Survivethejive Estonian* only 2% finnic in my dna.
@@soulution24 I thought Estonians are Finnic
@@Survivethejive Now latest dna studies show we are more related to Latvia and Lithuania than fins. Even my own and two of my mates personal dna shows we are largely Baltic.But we look different than them. I have lots of German friends and they all say Estonian men look like germans. My name suggest finnish but my father was adopted by a fin.
@@soulution24 Estonian is a Finnic language
I think the koryos is a good example of sigma male idea before they find their place in social structures
And our politicans say we don't have a history 🤭
They are not ships, they are the shape of the vagina from where all human life is conceived and from where we all journey from into this life (via water at birth no less), with the stones being phallic symbols the other half of the conception. The mounds represent the breast, the source of early nourishment. Yes they traveled in ships, but there is a sense that the ships are shaped both practically, yet less coincidentally in the same vaginal shape. It makes sense that they would travel in the ships to the new lands over water, exiting the ships into the water then on to the new land.
Think you need to lay off the porn
@@Survivethejive😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂💀💀💀☠️☠️☠️ LMFAO! To be fair, what he said, doesn’t sound bad, but I’m not gonna lie, Your roast was quite riveting!
Don't you think it fair to say that strictly dividing gatherings into religious, legal and political is a very modern (and arguably even today a wrong) idea? The specifics when relying on witnesses, oaths etc. is always a cultural/ religious matter (weighing which person is more likely to bear false witness when two competing stories don't add up for instance.... even today when western courts tend to believe everyone equally, that says something about religious/ cultural beliefs.... in that example obviously ridiculous ones, as there are easily determinable proxies about peoples perceptiveness.
To an extent but also we know they clearly demarcated sacred from profane spaces and such enclosures have mythic roles as well as ritual
J-elling - ( J) Uni-Ver-sortere - UNI-MER-Kin'- (measure Ring Pi-lots)
learning earling (and NO - NOT Jesus )
lol your scottish accent sounds more like welsh tbh
Fascinating, thank you. Graphics were awesome too.
When Jive posts, my day is always 7000% better!!!! 😃😃😃😃😃
There are not enough emoji for your statement to be taken seriously.
@@dmacrolens Yeah that was excessive emoji usage, but Tom deserves them, he's one of most important individuals holding the torch of the West up.
While Iceland preserved our ancestors language and stories - we here in Sweden have our own ancestors handy work- love visiting the stones and burials. I literally have a stone near my house from viking age that is just about a family - they literally put that in stone. Honoring your family was very very important back in the day.
People privilege the written sources over these spectacular monuments too much I think
@@Survivethejive So do I, its a real object I can literally touch and see with my own eyes today and most likely an ancestor took part in setting up or write in - because... I have 2 parents, they had 4 parents together, they 8, they 16 they 32, they 64, they 128, they 256- well you and others know math, its almost 95% likely im related to most of the vikings who lived in Sweden ( I do understand that some towns didnt communicate and was isolated for centuries though). I mean, I have family who was there at Stockholms blood bath documented and only a few 1000 people lived in Stockholm then for ex.
@@quezcatol Assuming the aristocratic family trees are correct, on my father's mother's mother's side, I have ancestors such as Erik the Victorious (Segersäll), Olof Skötkonung, Harald Bluetooth, Sweyn Forkbeard, Haakon Sigurdsson and many others. And that's just on one small section of the family, from father or mother to son or daughter and so on.
It's an insane amount of names in just this section of the family tree, and given the small population at the time, it is very likely that there is at least some link to pretty much everyone.
@@-RXB- Right, and we know swedish families who are related to Skötkonung, even been historians on tv talking about it- one famous swede for ex is Stefan Holm.
I´m (...and many many more) related to Engelbrekt on his brother side through my grandma for ex -- if we are to believe the lines been intact etc and no "cheating" ;)
We here in america have preserved food that can sit out for months without rotting. Like McDonald's
Well done Tom, I like it when you keep it to Indo European history!
the picture stones are beautiful
Another great Nordic Bronze and Iron Age video!
The European Spirit is awakening ... (which is actually a particularisation of World Spirit) ... European pagans usually look back to the past and think "Look what we've lost ! The knowledge, the art, the virtues, the wisdom, the strength, etc." ... but they don't see themselves as re-constructing, re-establishing, re-creating the European religion ... Never before had so many Europeans (all people, actually) had access to so much knowledge about their religious and spiritual roots. Individuals are giving themselves their own spiritual self-consciousness, all over the world (but mostly in the West, as of now), through the Internet ...
It does not matter any more the world is about to change.
@@chrisjordon864 I know ! Because my Spirit and the European / World-spirit are connected (you can check my channel for more information about this !).
@@chrisjordon864 I hope the change will be for the better. Because change doesnt mean destruction.
@@martinpospisil3747 it actually does mean destruction but that does not mean it is a bad thing.
Another great video. Honestly, the depth of research and logical conclusions are highly appreciated. Thank you.
Wtf how could they split a national treasure and use as building materials?! There should be capital punishment for that.
Yes it's awful
Help me Survive the jive 😳😳😳😳.
In my region, which we can call Latium vetus to let you understand (I live close to the ancient town of Tusculum), it is full of megalitic walls. Tens of sites, and tens of kilometers of walls.
The most famous are Alatri, Circeo, Segni and Norba, but there are many many others.
AND NOBODY KNOWS WHO BUILT THEM !!!!
On many sites the are information plates on which they say the Romans built them 🤪🤪🤪🤪 !!!!
Please help me Survive the jive.
Let the world know who built them 😀😀😀😀.
So it's important that we be buried with some kind of transport? I wonder if it'd help if i were buried in a canoe. Or maybe with chest waders, or good hiking boots or a bicycle.
Investors meeting now? BUT STJ JUST DROPPED! MOVE MY SCHEDULE!
This has gotta be my favourite area. It's interesting because the divine twins are psychopomps as they can traverse realms through their celestial role. The bronze age razors you mention, present the divine twins as analogous to the solar ship, zoomophically forming the prow and stem.
The idea of a vogelbarke (bird boat) is an urnfield/ Hallstatt tradition. The solar deity was initially envisioned as a waterfowl which has a very ancient origin, (dupljaja chariot) and waterfowl were also tripartite creatures often portrayed as psychopomps. The birds that follow the milky way to the south with the sun, that carry Apollo's chariot to Hyperborea etc.
Anyway, these symbols certainly persisted because across many burial sites in north Germany and la tene artefacts are fibula/ brooches with an S shape which when facing forwards have the shape of a horse's head (in some cases, also my theory, so just a guess). The brooches pin zoomorphically formed the beak of a waterfowl. So these were deposited as burial items as a psychopomp, an apotropaic to help assist the deceased to cross the boundary safely.
At 20:30 the Gotland stone shows a reflex of this, the two spheres are adorned with an S-shaped abstract animal which is most likely the divine waterfowl of the sun. The same symbol is seen on the Vendel I helmet which forms the eyebrows.
However Vendel I helmet is slightly analogous to the Horse haired Vekso helmets which have the same Bird boat symbol embossed on its base if you look carefully, the same symbol that appears on Etruscan ceremonial helmets.
Also important to say that a reflex of this helmet tradition, the Sutton hoo helmet was designed to look one-eyed with the garnet and gold and so it very likely portrayed Odin as you know, Odin who is inseparable from the divine twins as suggested by his relation to the vogelbarke symbol.
So yeah, fascinating topic, also interesting how the PIE divine twins likely developed into Sleipnir, the boundary crossing horse of Odin, Yggdrasil (Odin horse, which implies death through the kenning for a gallow) the cosmic conduit between realms.
Interestingly enough the Vedic Ashvattha tree is also deeply tied to the Ashvins and their festival Azvina, on the 14th day libations were presented to the primordial divine twin Yama, perhaps a cyclical imitation of the first cosmic sacrifice that formed earth. Interestingly the last 8 days of Azvina were a time of sickness known as Yamadamstra (Yamas fang) also meaning the stab of a dagger and poison. So they're tied to cyclical creation and death.
So basically they envisioned the first space ship?
Yea and the divine twins would ride along with the sun and fight off malign creatures of the underworld to protect the person's soul as they protected the sun and provided it with propulsion. It's like a shamanic kinda thing because the boat has the physical qualities of a bird or horse that allows it to fly and move.
Well written ! Wow !
I wouldn’t think a RUclips comment is one of the more interesting things I’ve read recently, but here we are. What would be your recommended reading for more like this?
I wonder if the 8 legged horse of Odin was an evolution of an earlier story of an indo european conquerer who rode a chariot drawn by two horses? And when you depict them from the side it would look like one horse with 8 legs.
Do you think it's possible that attitudes and rules of behaviour on board ships made them useful places for political discussion? Maybe rules of order, prohibitions on violence, a sense of being shipmates, etc that people wanted to bring onshore to facilitate politics?
Haven't finished the vid, so maybe you cover this. But could the solar/boat association be related to navigation?
Must be interresting Tom, your I1-M253 if i recall correctly? Your paternal ancestors probably build those exact settings.
Do you know that there are no neolithic monuments in southern Britain below 90 meters? Do you realize what that means?
Great CG and artwork again in this video. Really helps bring everything to life.
Excellent video Tom, it's clear you put a lot of work into it.
If the stone ships settings are so old it means that the nordic peoples were shipbuilders and seafarers much, much earlier. As the scandinavian shield is gradually rising it might be worthwhile to look up high in the hills for more and older traces.
The first to master ships building and is travelling over the seas were the pitted ware culture people
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitted_Ware_culture
Explains why corded ware existed in baltics and finland.
Bronze Age Scandinavians travelled to Iberia, possibly into the Mediterranean.
That intro lmao
Can't wait to enjoy this after I leave my wage cage.
Excellent video Tom, very interesting.
Glad you think so!
This is a good video but missing a huge part of the puzzle which is looking at it with the archeoastronomy lens, the lens of sacred geometry/astro geometry, sacred geodesi and sacred metrology. Ale Stenar is located on the latitude where the lines of the solstices and equinoxes creates a cross that creates a square. The ancients saw meaning in this and decided to monumentalize the site in stone in the spirit of as above so below and sacred geometry (as they also did in places such as Crucuno Brittany where they sacrilized that exact latitude with a 3-4 rectangle because the sun there creates a 3-4 rectangle or 2 3-4-5 pythagorean triangles). These sites should all be seen in the same light as the Pyramids, Ziggurats, Ankor Wat etc.. i.e build with the same occult knowledge template and sacred geometry.
Discover Georgia and a specially Abuli Megalithic Fortress! Also, you have to see the Grakliani Hill (with the letters of more then 12000 years old) and Trialeti Kurgans (which are older then Yamnaya Culture). Then, keep in mind word KHARI (the Bull - in Georgian), IBERIA and KHALDE. After that we can discuss on ancient History of the old world.
Very interesting. I remember that you have been talking about this for quite some time. Nice to see your thoughts, hypotheses and theories finally be put together in a video.
Thanks Lars! You were with me for the filming at Anundshög and your music is once again put to good use in the score
Perhaps the shift from a boat to a horse on the picture stones of gotland represents a shifting belief from a communal transition to the afterlife (i.e the actions of the whole group decides the outcome of the afterlife) to a individuals own influence on their life and subsequent fate in the afterlife?
Purely speculation based on the fact that a boat can carry a group but a horse only carry one (or two) people.
Great job 👍. I'm not sure if I'm Lord material 🤣. Half tempted though. 🐎 👑
Edit : RIP QE2
Early on in the video, the Picture Stone shown is rather phallic looking. Do you think that may have been intentional, or coincidence? Oh, and great video. Really cool stuff. If only we knew more.
I was thinking that it looked quite like a penis.
Loved the sun symbol!
The soul must sail the sea of death.
That Scotland land plot thing is a bit of a scam, similar to « get your name put on the moon » 🌚
Great video, otherwise.
Fair play with the Scottish accent and throwing in some guid Scots words good Sir!
Good that you visited my home province Scania.
I love it!
@@Survivethejive Have you visited Öland?
@@soderlund3610 not yet
@@Survivethejive You can't even put a spade in the ground on Öland without finding something old 🤭
On my doughters boyfriends property on Öland, they found the biggest roman solidus hoard in all of Scandinavia. The ringforts are amazing.