The Penguin Isn't About a Villain Protagonist.

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

Комментарии • 18

  • @maxkane1684
    @maxkane1684 10 дней назад +6

    This channel is my new favourite. Thanks for recommending, RUclips!

  • @lloydhyland6370
    @lloydhyland6370 10 дней назад +5

    My favourite classic comic book villain is Society

    • @conorwallace4883
      @conorwallace4883 10 дней назад +1

      Mr society's first appearance was in democratective comics #41

  • @danohwhite1
    @danohwhite1 10 дней назад +5

    she pro on my tag till i ist

  • @icowrich
    @icowrich 10 дней назад +5

    It seems to me that antihero isn't sufficient for Penguin because it implies that the character is morally imperfect but doesn't get across the fact that s/he is on balance, bad by the lights of the itended audience. Walter White is net-bad, as far as I'm concerned. He's not just an anti-hero. He's actively evil, even if we can understand how he got there. To me, an antihero is the inverse of this: someone who is a net good, but lacks the characteristics that would identify him unambiguously as such.

    • @AdamMura
      @AdamMura  10 дней назад

      @icowrich I see where you're coming from here, (and this is a point I probably should of included in the video) but to me An anti-hero can be anywhere from doing a net good, to being actually genuinely evil.

    • @Daedalus_9
      @Daedalus_9 10 дней назад +1

      Counter-argument: Venom is a classic anti-hero, but he still eats people until the story curbs him into co-operating with Spiderman.

  • @kevinjardimlalor
    @kevinjardimlalor 9 дней назад

  • @auro7409
    @auro7409 10 дней назад +1

    Bet this guy would be the villain protag in a lecture hall

  • @conorwallace4883
    @conorwallace4883 10 дней назад

    I like this walt character. Please keep him in your lore!

  • @cris_maroon
    @cris_maroon 10 дней назад +1

    The skyler scene 👌

  • @kremite6785
    @kremite6785 10 дней назад

    It's been weeks and I can't shake the penguin accent, it aint WOIKIN Vik.

  • @TheWhymsicalOne
    @TheWhymsicalOne 9 дней назад +1

    🐧

  • @nedalsoned9940
    @nedalsoned9940 9 дней назад

    i think there's probably more utility to mine out of this idea than you give it credit for. walter white is an antihero but i think it's also fair to call him a villain protagonist- the story hinges on his amoral villainy in a way that isn't so for another antihero like don draper. for a character like light yagami, i think "villain protagonist" is probably more apt than "antihero"- it speaks to his unrepentant evil, & implies a reversal of traditional morality in the perspective of the story; i think it's very fair to call L a "hero-antagonist"

  • @Daedalus_9
    @Daedalus_9 10 дней назад

    I suppose you could argue that the point of saying "villain protagonist" is to emphasize that the character you're seeing is a protagonist in narrative role only, while being directly compared to the antagonist in terms of morality.
    However, the reason that term is redundant is precisely because the term "anti-hero" isn't a moral denomination; it is a narrative denomination. An anti-hero could be relatively close to the hero in morality - only have some "questionable" characteristics - or they could be much closer to the villain; with the only unquestionable part of their anti-hero status is that they aren't the villain narratively. In either case, they're still an anti-hero; and by extension, so are Walter White and the Penguin.
    "Villain protagonist" doesn't really add anything to that; it only takes away from the moral ambiguity of the anti-hero that invites you to actually think about what sets them apart from the hero and villain alike.

    • @GhostRider1X1
      @GhostRider1X1 10 дней назад +1

      bro pre-ordered a comment

    • @maxkane1684
      @maxkane1684 10 дней назад +1

      Facts

    • @Daedalus_9
      @Daedalus_9 10 дней назад

      @@GhostRider1X1 Daily reminder not to pre-order video games.