Why King Magnifico is a Disappointing Villain
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
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But… but he lets us live here for free! And he doesn’t even charge us rent! /j
And he’s always there when we need to vent
Ngl, I would actually consider giving up my hopes and dreams to a crazed supervillain if I didn’t have to worry about rent ever again
@@mr.movieandtvguy5310its obviously a good villain and a song if you remember the lyrics this much
honesty i was kind of hoping for Disney to make a switch on us deciding to make protagonist the villain instead of a generic villain who might be evil, instead that would have been way smarter but Disney too stock in their old way to see a better solution
@@God-T honestly you people complain every time, if there would be no villain in this movie, you would be saying that they shouldve made a classic pure evil one. You're just never satisfied
What Disney misunderstood about their classic villains is that their simpler motivations make them designed to be unsympathetic. They’re evil for the sake of being evil, but the movies they’re in never try to frame it like they aren’t. I agree that fleshing out Magnifico’s backstory would’ve been the best of both worlds, but this movie didn’t seem like it was willing to commit to both sides of his character.
Yeh it better to tone down make daler sound it look good and their action make us unsympathetic
Rumor has it that him and his queen were going to be an evil power couple and a lot worse tha nwhat we got.
The one time Disney gave a villain a more complex motivation, it made him their darkest and most terrifying (Frollo).
@@Ashbrash1998ngl it's kinda disappointing that they weren't
I would disagree with ones like Frollo or Mother Gothel. The things that made them amazing villains is the fact they’re not evil for evil’s sake. They’re just incredibly narcissistic that only care about themselves and believe they’re doing the right thing. I actually love how they’re more realistic villains that don’t rely on magic or positions of power to achieve their goals. They’re just incredibly selfish and abuse anyone that gets near them. Legit I found Mother Gothel criminally underrated as a villain, considering all she wanted was to stay young and beautiful forever. Its how she treats Rapunzel and anyone that threatens to take her “flower” away that makes her so terrifying. She doesn’t actually love Rapunzel, she loves her hair because of what it can do. Its even confirmed in the Tangled series she had her own biological daughter that was a nuisance and annoying kid more than anything that she simply made be her live in servant to keep house whenever she was away
The thing that frustrates me is that Magnifico easily could have worked as a sympathetic antagonist or as a full-blown evil villain. If the writers wanted a classic Disney villain, they could've had him grant a very select few wishes and then use the rest for power from the beginning. Or if they wanted a more sympathetic angle, they could have shown his descent into madness as completely a product of him messing with powers he doesn't understand and then freed/redeemed him at the end. It feels like they didn't want to commit to either direction and ultimately failed at both - the character we got feels like he was written by two separate writing teams. And there was literally no reason it had to be this way!!!
When random fans on the internet have more creative ideas than Disney does it's no wonder their films aren't doing well at the box office.
They could’ve done something similar to what they did with Gaston, where he started off okayish, but a threat to the status quo makes them become progressively worse
When watching the movie I was under the impression that the king was starting off as a flawed, but well-meaning leader who descends into madness. I believe that's indeed what they were going for but the pacing was so rushed that his fall from grace felt so quick and I didn't really buy that he was now the irredeemable, "muhahaha" villain from that point on. If they just slowed things down and allowed us to feel the descent happening in real time, then it would've worked much better for me. I think Beauty and the Beast for example handled this much better with Gaston and that film is 11 minutes SHORTER than this one.
@@colbystearns5238 Another thing that I think works in Gaston's favor writing-wise is that he's not a great person to begin with - from the very beginning, he's shown to be boorish and shallow and very much a cartoon misogynist. He starts as a relatively harmless bully and becomes a legitimate threat when he realizes Belle isn't interested in him (WITHOUT the aid of dark magic!!!) The problem with Magnifico is that his descent into madness is pushed along by EXTERNAL means (the evil book), and with all the efforts to make him sympathetic, I didn't feel like his defeat was all that satisfying.
"He feels like he was written by two separate writing teams" is an apt way to describe him. I half-expected there to be some twist about his backstory that would make him less sympathetic, but there wasn't. Giving him a sympathetic backstory feels pointless when he's not written with any sympathetic traits.
I wonder if his character was changed during rewrites, because it does feel like he suffers from conflicting ideas.
I honestly was expecting Asha’s grandpa to turn out to be the real king all along while Magnifico had just erased his memory and took over his place as king
Honestly would have been a much better plot
That would’ve been a good plot!!
That would've been King Candy all over again so obviously they didn't do that
It's about a political agenda they're going for with going against Magnifico even thought the things he said with Asha is right and the reason why he didn't grant the grandfather's wishes is because he has the feeling that he would start a music career in order to start a rebellion and stuff and that was a good reason, even if he might be paranoid. They're teaching kids to rebel against their own elders and have responsibilities be thrown out of the window. They're making kids become narcissists and it wasn't an accident. It's intentional. Corporations are grooming children.@@adamH.1
Disney should’ve hired you
What sucks is that King Magnifico has nice design and they gave him a wife, and Disney literally did nothing with both.
He's the first villian with a wife, and it goes no where. So disappointing. 😢
And a draft had them written as an evil couple. She almost had an actual reason to be there 😂
Early concepts had him and Queen to be both villains…
@@istandwithiran If only they'd gone with that... That would have been legitimately unique and interesting!
Have we watched the same movie? Queen Amaya is literally supporting Magnifico through and through until she saw how her husband is being corrupted by his need to protect his own crown. She managed to stop him from using the evil spell book and even after he succumb to the dark magic, she still stands by him until Magnifico used a wish for control.
I just wished instead of making her fine with Magnifico trapped in the staff, she could've been more empathetic cuz she knows that dark magic will forever corrupt the person she stood by for so long.
What about Scar? They don't show up at the same time but still
How cool would it be if an evil wish was actual helping the heroes take him down only to once granted take full control of him making him into a literal monster?
Not only would we get a sympathetic Villain with him but also a pure evil one too. Or you know just make the Queen also evil, That'd be sooo cool!
Well buddy, according to the concept art book, the queen was original evil along with her husband but they’ve changed it.
Yup I know, Still I kinda like my idea of an evil wish a bit more since we get different kinds of villains like in Puss and Boots. But regardless both are still better then what we got.@@timwilliams.2581
This, my friends had ideas that were all similar. This guy had potential. Like, not all wishes are great ideas. The MC is very naive but it is never shown as an issue
@@MissMoontree so originally he was reasonable and made sense and you would actually side with him over the MC? Is that it?
I think the King was supposed to represent the patriarchy.
Wife was the worst character.
Imagine to love your husband, but doesn't tell him about oil which protected from mind control and after all of the events where she does know that he was on book influence doesn't give a clue about his situation and put him in jail.
Like...They did a total sociopath she is more twisted villain than Magnifico itself.
"A woman never a bad person, a woman never to be blamed". Hollywood's modern thinking.
Women were always treated like shit in Hollywood in the 1920's compare to now. Women were sexualized back then and now, they're being told what they should think women are and that being feminine makes women weak.@@tymonsulimastalman1727
Makes her seem like the true, (dare I say) _twist_ villain of the movie, like she orchestrated this coup the whole time knowing her husband would go insane and she would have a pretext to take him out. And yet she's portrayed as a hero... Disney, what are you doing?!
Especially the fact that proves that theory is like Amaya was biased relatable to Asha so Disney accidentally did really twisted villain which they had no idea about.
Here's my thoughts on how Wish SHOULD BE.
It would've been better if, while Magnifico is still a villain because he used the book out of desperation, Asha realizes that she causes all of this and especially The Queen would try to break the spell within him instead of betraying him because she knows that he's a good guy really and was just trying to keep his kingdom safe. Asha tries to then remind Magnifico about the picture of how his kingdom was a mess back then, and then Magnifico stopped for a moment and then realizes that he puts his people in jeopardy and that as he destroyed the frobidden book, the evil spirits came out of him. The Queen hugs Magnifco becuase she's glad that she has the old him. And as for Asha, she gives the Wish back to Magnifico and apologizes for the damage she caused and that she's the reason why the kingdom went downhill. Magnifico got a little angry but understands why she overreacted to him by rewminding her from earlier that she is obviously young to understand and that Asha would do anything to undo the damage such as talking chickens. She cried and then Magnifco turned everything back to where it was and in return, since Asha learned her lesson, he changes his mind and give the grandfather the wish for his music career, but however, he wants to make sure the grandfather isn't using his wish for nefarious ways and Asha's grandpa said no and that he dreamed of making music because that's his passion and then everything went happily ever after.
In the actual movie, THEY'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT HE FEARED! If people get what they want without restraints, that would mean they would wish for something like immortality, they might use it for the wrong hands or any other nefarious stuff if they abuse their power. The kingdom will go to shit without him. @@colbystearns5238
Found it on TV Tropes:
Unintentionally Sympathetic: After the movie's release, some people view King Magnifico as this for a variety of reasons. His tragic backstory of his family and home being destroyed and him vowing to protect his kingdom from suffering that same fate, as well as his stated reasoning to Asha for not granting Sabino's wish has much more ground to stand on than intended and the people of Rosas are shown to live content and peaceful lives for free under his rule even with how he handles the wishes. Some also see his fate as Karmic Overkill as his actions that could be considered evil were only committed after he had been corrupted by the Book of Forbidden Magic, which he had only began using reluctantly and out of desperation.
Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Queen Amaya giving up on trying to saving Magnifico from the Book of Forbidden Magic's corruption just because it says that it's not possible has lead to some not feeling as much sympathy towards her as the film wants.
Queen Amaya was originally going to be a villain in an Unholy Matrimony with King Magnifico, running the kingdom of Rosas as a crime family not unlike the The Sopranos. She was also going to have a Sphynx cat called Charo as her pet.
Just imagine if they were villains. At one point Asha will try to convince the Queen to betray her husband, she will act innocent but then it will turns out shes with him after all this time. Just imagine the song! The song of a evil couple!!!
Ugh i hate that they scrapped this concept :(((
We were so robbed of a villain powercouple
Imagine if this story was like a sorcerer's apprentice kind of deal. Asha (the inexperienced apprentice) disagrees with how Magnifico (the experienced sorcerer) handles wishes and finds a way to grant whatever wish she sees as harmless - and everything falls into chaos, because even innocent wishes can result in unintentional disaster (hence why the caution on what wishes should be granted).Magnifico assists Asha in cleaning up the mess she made and both learn from the whole mess.
@@madamefluffy4788 That would have been a better movie honestly.
@@alyssaagnew4147 I've seen a few folks coming up with ideas on how this movie could have worked that are superior to what Disney came up with.
And when people found out about the artbook that was released BEFORE the movie was out, it was shown that not only Magnifico was the villain, but his WIFE too. We would have had a Disney villain couple. Which only sours the potential of not only this movie, but the characters too.
Just imagine the song of the evil couple!!
They also had an evil, cat sidekick too.
No because imagine how the villain song could have looked:
An epic duo of the queen and the king, maybe explaining their goal or a song where they ponder in a way to defeat Asha.
Something that would scream “we are evil” but also “we are evil in love”
a duo song with both of them would have been amazing
@@jonal5126 It would be « This is a the thanks *we* get » I hope someone would sing King Magnifico’s song but writing lyrics by adding Queen Amaya as a villain for singing the song.
magnifico's "twist" was so weird bc it happened before he earned the viewer's trust, isn't the whole part of the "twist" being that we didn't see it coming??? they didn't commit to him being evil from beginning to end but they also didn't commit to a slow decent to madness, they just wanted both and didn't commit to either... it's feels half-baked
Even more problematic is that everyone familiar with the information about this movie knew that he is 'the bad guy'.
So the concept itself was doomed in advance.
@@tymonsulimastalman1727 they really shot themselves in the foot when promoting him as a classic, evil from the beginning villain huh 🙃
Was he immortal? He seemed to be 50, meaning he was the king for 25 years or so, if not. So Gramps made this wish at 75? Never explained. One of many stupid things that made no sense.
He came from outer space. LOL
That's what I wondered! Like it coulda been cool if he was immortal and the reason he was selective about which wishes he granted is because he uses the rest of the wishes to power his immortality or something.
@@suddenlycrows Hoooly shit that would have been amazing. Since the wishes are parts of the soul, using the wishes to keep being immortal has so much potential
@@suddenlycrowsDisney need to hire you for ideas lol
he kinda looks a bit like my dad and then my dad was like stop saying I look like king magnifico he is evil and mean and I am not mean
Im sick of the idea that all disney movies, from snow white to zootopia, need to be connected by some kind of multiverse. These people have no confidence in their creations anymore.
They don't even need that because we can already accept they're connected... through the House of Mouse. A place they all congregate when they've finished with their films.
Unless your name is Nomura that is not your job!
Facts
We could have had a villain couple. We were going to get a villain couple, and then Disney changed their minds.
The early concepts for Wish were better than what we got.
Making a female villain? In the year 2023? No shot. Not unless she was actually just acting out due to trauma or being influenced by a more evil man, and deep down was good all along.
Don't make me feel more disappointed ☹️.
@@jrloulanza6534 I'm so annoyed at what we didn't get I intend to make my own musical movie that uses all those cool concepts Wish could have had but didn't.
@@RavenStarMedia True but this is just a testament that Disney is slowly failing and the guy that suggested this was thrown down the window because the stupid CEO had other ideas that were bad when executed.
@@RavenStarMedia And by slowly failing I really mean it's dying.
I was *really* hoping that Disney would subvert expectations by having Magnifico be a twist NON-villain. Asha would start secretly granting all wishes, leading to complete chaos and/or people losing their ability to do anything for themselves. As they tried to fix it, Magnifico would learn to be more generous, and Asha would learn that sometimes it's for best that we all don't get exactly what we want, when we want it.
Basically the moral of the story would be "sorry kids, but it's actually good that mom doesn't let you use her credit card to buy infinite Roblox DLC"
The reason he's a disappointing villain is because he's basically a father figure trying to do what's best for everybody & keep everybody happy. The "evil" scene is almost like a Dad telling his child that they cannot have everything they want just because they want it. His people live in paradise and the little brat wants more because I WANT IT lol.
Imagine if they had made a hand-drawn film about a young boy trying to discover the secret of the "Wish Upon a Star" song and the villain was the typical power hungry evil wizard/witch (Jafar, Queen Grimhilde etc). It would've gone bonkers but Disney cannot write that story anymore. It's like they are allergic to it.
Disney are more into grooming children with telling the audience straight up that they hate Christianity and they especially hate moral and family values because they deem those as being "RIGHT WING"! The opposite political side had nothing to do with this and they know that. NO matter what poltical or religious side you're on, morals and values were meant for us human beings to change and that we have our own flaws (men and women) which is why we have a chance to grow. These corporate people just want to abuse their power and think that they can tell people what to do. They want to create a new generation of people that grew up out of self-hatred and out of being too insecure. Younger people are being used by those who are bitter and don't want people to be happy because that makes them feel MORE miserable, so in return, they want others to be as much miserable as they are and make things political.
The villain is not a villain at all. His Kingdom is happy, he is a great ruler and him granting you wish is very generous of him.
The true villain is the MC, an 18 yrs old girl who is entitled to be granted her wish. Created chaos and propagated bad values that dreams should be granted by magic and not hard work.
He built a kingdom with his own power, selectively grants people who comes to his kingdom their wishes should the wish be beneficial to the kingdom/does not cause a threat, his kingdom for all we've seen is lively and prosperous.
Then the writer got cornered in finding some obstacle for their mary sue and asspulled him to be the villain out of nowhere, meanwhile the settings made him clearly a great ruler who goes out of his way to better the lives of his own people.
Had they has the balls to made a protagonist who was the villain of the story and Magnifico being correct with his own belief that can be adjusted by the end of the film, Wish could have been something worth watching.
The problem is they wrote him as a parody of the classic Disney villain instead of writing him as a classic Disney villain.
He feels like a Shrek villain.
@@PlanetZoidstardon't disrespect shrek villains man
Technicaly they wrote him as a director x villain.
Still a much better villain than Hans in Frozen and I wished that Duke Weselton was the actual villain from the 1st movie back in 2013. For such a long time not having a new final battle in a Disney animated movie, it was epic in Wish despite the movie could’ve done a lot better.
@@GalaxyRoyal Yeah true, though Hans isn't a high bar to cross XD
I don't feel like actually watching he movie but even from just this, it doesn't even seem like his motivation is even evil at all? Like is he cherry picking wishes that directly benefit him specifically, or is it he overthinks everything and therefore barely grants any wishes? Because if it's the latter, that's not evil that's more cowardice than anything.
A little of both, but more so the former.
It would have been interesting if they had the protag be wrong, have us and them assume he was the villan and realize that he wasn't at all wrong (or at least he had good points). I can't recall one disney movie where we had the protag mess up like that. Like imagine if the film dressed him in all dark robes and green magic and have him appear obviously the bad guy. Which is banking on the audiences' assumption and also the protag's and then do a rug pull by showing the actual villan isn't a villan because of what they look like, but what they do. ( Especially since green has a history with Disney villans.)
Yeah I don’t think the film is entirely sure either
The conflict is less about him not granting wishes and more about him hoarding the wishes. Refusing to return them to the people, and thus robbing them of their ability to pursue their dreams. Asha doesn’t want to grant the wishes, she just wants them to be returned to the people.
WHY he hoards these wishes is… unclear? It seems like he thinks that robbing people of their greatest wish is sparing them from the pain of failing to achieve their wish… but also maybe that’s just bullshit and he’s just pure evil? But even then it’s unclear what he gains from it?
You see the problem with Magnifico now
King Magnifico has a superman complex. When confronted about his ways, his outburst reaction revealed that what he ultimately gets hooked on is the power he has over people. I thought he was a very good villain actually, I don’t understand the hate
@@Ashbrash1998Bruno was set up as the obvious villain in Encanto, but turned out to be a good guy.
King candy is a major part why wreck it Ralph was so great as opposed to its sequel where a major bad guy was none existent and just played like a therapy session.
The princess abandons her entire Kingdom, but Ralph is the bad guy somehow?
Originally, the king & queen were supposed to be both evil couple, which almost making the first evil couple in disney history. And the star is originally supposed to be a Star Boy who can shape-shifting
Please don't make me more disappointed ☹️ because no one asked and I don't want things to get any worse.
Ok but.... IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITIES LIKE.. oh I don't know... AN EVIL COUPLE SONG THAT IS LOOSELY LATINA-Y LIKE???!!!!😤😤😾
@@allegrazahra5269 Please don't make me more disappointed ☹️ because no one asked and I don't want things to get any worse.
They could’ve done something similar to what they did with Gaston, where he started off okayish, but a threat to the status quo from the protagonist makes them become progressively worse
That is basically what they did.
@@blinkowarner3117 Yeah, but in Wish it was an instant 180, rather than a visible downwards spiral. Gaston turned evil because of himself, Magnifico turned evil because the story wanted him to.
@@cosmicspacething3474aao
Gaston was destined to fall the moment he refused to help Maurice after the "old coot" came running back from Beast's castle "one winter's night". It's the Enchantress' test all over again.
As some one who hasn't seen the film yet and is looking from the outside in, I get the feeling that disney either either forgot how or really doesnt want to go back to traditional always evil villains. Just by looking as his design that looks more like a classic disney prince and listening to clips of "thanks i get" which sound so up beat and cheery for a a villain song, it genuinly seems like they were struggling to not make this guy a complete twist villain.
Imo Magnifico reminds me a lot of Agnar (Elsa and Anna’s dad) Both are kings of their respective countries that do terrible jobs of ruling them. I actually say Agnar and Iduna were terrible parents towards both Elsa and Anna, and I DESPISE how the sequel tried painting them as loving parents who did what was best for both daughters when Elsa accidentally hurt Anna as a child. They completely ignored that their poor parenting choices is literally what caused the thing they feared so much, Elsa being scared of herself and eventually beginning a path of self hatred because of how her parents literally treated her like a circus freak more than a daughter. Elsa and Anna were flat out forbidden from speaking or seeing each other, and the parents NEVER tried to explain to Anna why she couldn’t play or interact with Elsa anymore. Like they honestly thought Anna wasn’t going to learn about Elsa’s secret when she was older??
Most people who created the older movies aren't there anymore - and the people who are there mostly only have experience on creating sympathetic villains.
@@SparkTFS that would honestly explain a lot
@@SparkTFS well, a lot of the legendary animators that made the Renaissance shine like a diamond, such as Glen Keefe, they moved onto other studios because they got sick of how Disney was running things. Don Bluth, the guy who made Anastasia, was a former animator at Disney and his last production was the Black Cauldron. That’s legit why so many Disney sequels received overwhelming hatred was because the animators were from the Disney Toons studio, which was for the tv series instead.
@@kristinahuchison2511magnificent is a good king tho?
100% agree on the obligation part. Every great classical Disney villain's goal was irrational (taking power from a good ruler, taking the girl from a good guy, taking the life of a kind and beautiful girl, etc...). Magnifico's situation makes him not suited for this classic villain role. This premise cried for an "Encanto-like" non-villain solution (Like the King is literally broken after withnessing terrible wishes (killing someone), heartbreaking wishes he can't grant (like bringing back a stillborn baby), or just seeing what leads someone to a wish (abusive parents or something)). Great vid!
How interesting would it have been if Asha's father died because he was the philosopher who wished that his village could work together with others which directly led to their village being destroyed because of his misplaced trust.
This could have been the same village as Magnifico's (you could even make them brothers to establish a direct connection between Asha and Magnifico (evil uncle trope).
The destruction of their village and the death of his brother would lead Magnifico into a spiral of paranoia resulting in his decision to wipe the villagers' memories of the tragic event.
This could also be the reason for his distrust of other people's wishes and freedom to grant them because he doesn't want his people to go through something like the destruction again.
As some may recall; there was a burnt banner with what seemed like a missing person (in the burnt away part). This could have easily been Asha's late father (and Magnifico's brother, whom he has desperately tried to forget)
Asha's longing for freedom and ownership over wishes also makes more sense this way because this would be a character trait she inherited from her late father.
This would make Magnifico a so-called twist villain without his treachery being part of the reveal.
It would consequently also drastically improve his songs. In the theatrical version, at all costs came off as detached from his character as we don't exactly know what he was referring to. After this recontextualisation he would sing as he sees his brother's daughter for the first time. A daughter in which he sees much of his brother. Thus he would sing of protecting her and in extension his brother's legacy. This song may therefore almost be considered as a promise to his brother, whom he couldn't protect (but Asha he can). This would also motivate his immediate compliancy and enthousiasm towards her.
As for this is the thanks I get, the case is much simpler. He considers himself the savior of his people. By wiping their memories and controlling their wishes, he thinks he's doing good and their growing unease and questionings genuinly strike him as ungrateful and irrational. Thus this egocentric and vain song (both traits which he acquired from his savior complex).
Magnifico's gradual descent into madness through his embrace of dark magic would have been all the more tragic as he would have made the same mistake as his brother did by wishing without foresight of the potential consequences.
This would also give her grandpa's wish much more depth because he would have been royalty if it wasn't for Mafnifico. He would therefore fulfull his wish by inspiring his granddaughter to restore peace and freedom to his lost village.
Just an idea! I would love others' thoughts 😀
That's good I like it
Oh my god that could work well (even though im not really a fan of the “evil uncle” trope).
What a brilliant idea!💡
Everything was going fine, the kingdom was fair and just. Everyone was living easy lives... Then a certain Notorious B.I.T.C.H has to get all uppity.
Are we sure the king isn't the main character?
This guy had so much potential and they just completely dropped the ball with him.
He is a flipping dad, not a villain.
THIS!!!!!
sugar daddy or should I say wishing daddy
@Sakuyamon
Oh my, he is a dad! You're completely right! No wonder Disney wanted him to be "pure evil" and corrupted him! The idea of a good father is antithetical to Disney! It's like holy water to a vampire!
It would be more interesting if the movie put the protagonist as the villain by accident, ruining everything because of the wishes of the people and the one who seemed like a villain at first, the king, ends up being the hero and has to clean up her mess, but instead the poor guy ends up trapped in a mirror.
It still a bit cliché, but at least the story's moral is more clear.
It was really frustrating how the first half of the movie, the king teetered between "Well-intentioned but being pushed to harsh measures" and "Just a villainous jerk who relishes power in itself." And then he gets possessed by the book and all agency in his character just vanishes.
We all wished for a big dramatic villain again. And, well... like the movie says, 'Be careful what you wish for.'
If they could've just committed to one version of him for the whole film, he could've worked. If they made him a villainous jerk from the start, it could be that he's a tyrant who lets people know he could grant wishes, but won't.
Personally, I find people asking disney to bring back traditionally evil villains is a terrible take. We already have plenty of these characters available; mother gothel, ursula, scar, hades, cruella, maleficient, evil stepmother, etc. Now people want more?
You can’t evolve by working backward. Times have changed and people are lost in nostalgia. The path forward for disney is not another traditional villain nor another twist villain but a nuanced, sympathetic villain, one with reasonable motivations who can challenge and develop the protagonist’s values rather than being a obstacle for them to defeat. That is the sort of character Magnifico should have been. Someone who wanted the best for his kingdom but the people’s greed and selfishness forced him to stray the dark road and go insane and mad with power.
"He isn't established to be evil and the character initially don't know that."
Doesn't that apply to every Disney Renaissance Villain? Scar was just an uncle for a scene, that doesn't make him a twist villain.
It’s pretty clear from the start that Scar is bitter about the fact that he’s not king, and won’t get the chance to ever be king because Simba is now the heir. That’s clear to the audience, and his actions afterwards are done in order to make him king, either trying to have Simba die so that he’s the heir, or of course killing his brother when he has the chance.
With Magnifico, the impression the audience gets is that he’s actually sincere about wanting to protect his people, that his actions are done out of concern and paranoia of what happened to his home happening to the kingdom. The book he has under glass is forbidden for a very good reason, he resists using it and at first heeds to his wife’s warnings. It doesn’t seem like he wants to be cruel for the sake of it, but of course as the movie possesses those notions are dropped, and Magnifico is just a megalomaniac, basically a psychopath. Whatever selfless intention or control over himself the movie portrayed before is completely gone, never seen again. There certainly is a difference in how he’s portrayed throughout the movie.
@@mozardthebestfunnily, when a woman character was going through an arc similar to Magnifico's, she was redeemed and restored to benevolent state - Te Fiti.
In Croatia, his voice actor as Magnifico is the same Croatian voice of Timon in The Lion King 1, 2 & 3.
Of all things, THIS should have been a live action movie. A real Chris Pine is so much more interesting than bad 3D.
My big problem with wish,before it released was that I immediately agreed with the villain and thought he was in the RIGHT based on the trailer.
Not everyone gets the wish, welcome to how the world works.
And "only the wishes that benefit the kingdom"? Yes, that's what a ruler should be doing.
The trailers make magnifico reasonable and mature, with our heroine as the unreasonable one, so I expected the story would be her messing up and having to learn a lesson,Bruce almighty style, about the dangers of wishes and why not every wish SHOULD be granted, and have her come around to understanding his motivation and eventually have to fix the damage caused by granting wishes willy nilly, even when what you wish for may not be what you need.
Like the entire movie itself, King Magnifico is excellent as a concept. Execution leaves much to be desired.
Definitely in the minority on this. Magnifico was easily the strongest, least disapointing part of the movie even if he was let down by the screenplay and the story's undercooked realization like everyone else was to varying degrees.
What do you mean? Most people praise Magnifico as the best part of the movie. Even the some of the most negative critics of Wish says so. This video criticizing Magnifico is practically the only one I have seen here that is saying anything against Magnifico.
Your sentiment isn't the minority, it's the majority.
@rosverlegaspo6752 I think he's saying that the guy making the video is in the minority. So you guys are agreeing with each other
@@jovannie Oh. I can see that now. The absence of pronouns kinda make it a bit vague who they are talking about.
Being the best part of the movie is like being a tall dwarf
I have problems with how Magnifico was handled, but at least he served as a sufficiently flashy villain during the last third of the film.
What bothers me is not only Magnifico confusing in his portrayal, but he uses modern/youthful words and slang in his dialogue when he doesn’t look like someone who would use those words.
Imagine, Magnificent had a wishing star all along, and that is where the magic comes from.
Imagine that in his original village a wishing star came down and granted everyone's wishes and it destroyed them. It lead to fighting and chaos he lost everything.
Now, in Rosa's, everyone is demure and happy. No one strives, no one wants. Nothing changes everyday because no one really has any wants or desires. He keeps them all happy and contented but empty and hollow.
But it's okay! Because he will protect them! Even if it means taking their humanity away.
Now change the stupid moral. No longer is it 'everyone deserves a wish' because 'when you wish upon a star' is about hope and maintaining childhood innocence even against the hardships of the world.
Make Asha give everyone their wish, bit they arent happy still. Have her realize that it isn't the wish itself that matters, but what it symbolizes: the human desire to dream, to want, to grow into a better version of ourselves.
Free the wishing star like the genie, and just let yourself dream. Maybe one day, you can fulfill your own wish.
But no, we got this garbage
Excellent ideas.
Looking at it back, I think even Bellwether from Zootopia does a better job of 'power corrupts' than Magnifico. Sure, her villainy screentime was short lived, but at least Zootopia has the race theme going for it, with Bellwether having achieved a position of power and wanting revenge against the ones she sees as abusive and dangerous, all while losing all of her morality in the process. I don't even know what theme is Wish going for...
Bellwether was basically what Judy could have become if she let society break her.
Sentinel Prime from Dark of the Moon was so good as a twist villain and voiced by the legendary actor Leonard Nimoy (he also did Galvatron from the 1986 film).
Turbo/King Candy is a better twist villain ngl.
@@flarestriker2005 Until Ralph Breaks the Internet ruined his character.
Turbo/King Candy "Going Turbo" is treated as this iredeemable crime no arcade character should ever commit. Ralph game jumping to Heroes Duty to win a Medal almost results in the Cybugs spreading throughout the entire arcade and destroying it.
But when Vanellope does it, nobody whose opinion counts cares.
It also is sort of implied in Bellwether's story why she's so actively helping Judy. Not only does Judy succeeding serve her narrative - and the idea she wants to push forward is "confirmed" by an innocent, uninvolved, unknowing person; she probably went through a very hard time working her way to the top(just like Judy) only to always be dismissed as the bigger predator's sidekick. Bellwether's main problem was that she, unlike Judy who heard Nick's story, only knows of the one side of the conflict and never tried to look at it on a deeper level. The part where she becomes evil is done poorly to say the least, but her motivation is at least believable. But Magnifico was somehow even more of a wasted opportunity.
OK so apparently according to The Art of Wish, “This Is The Thanks I Get” comes from an earlier version of the film where King Magnifico was meant to be this vain, spoiled prince who recently took up the role of king and wish granter. Which I think makes a lot more sense.
Like one thing that bothered me a lot was how Magnifico starts the song off by singing “I can’t help it if mirrors love my face”. When I first heard it on the soundtrack I thought it was because someone accused or made fun of him for being vain, which is why he starts off his song that way. But then… no. Nothing of the sort happened. That lyric came out of nowhere.
Quibble: saying "he's a twist villain" just because he's introduced seemingly nice or in good standings with others isn't an accurate usage of that term.
Disney has had plenty of villains like Magnifico where *the viewer* knows right from the get-go they're a villain but they aren't publicly or "officially" outed as a villain to other characters until later. Examples include Cruella De Vil, Edgar, Gaston, Jafar, Scar, Ratcliffe, Frollo to an extent, Hades, Clayton, Yzma, Long John Silver, Dr. Facilier, Mother Gothel and King Candy.
"Twist villains" are ones whom even the viewer don't know are villains until the reveal. Examples include Rourke, Rico, Hans, Callaghan, Bellweather, Stinky Pete, Waternoose, Lotso, Muntz, De La Cruz, Evelyn and (regrettably) Buzz Lightyear.
Actually, a twist is something that change the direction of the narrative. In case of twist villains, they aren't presented as villains at first until the twist where they are shown to be a villain and evil all along. Hans for example is presented as a love interest and King Candy is presented as a well meaning antagonist, but they really are just presenting a facade to hide their villainy that is revealed in their twists.
And yes, King Candy is a twist villain. We don't know him as a villain from the get go but as an antagonist, not evil but a character whose goal is in opposition to the protagonist. People often confuse an antagonist with a villains, like some people say King Triton is the actual villain in The Little Mermaid. King Triton opposes Ariel and her goals but he didn't do it out malice or of evil intent.
Villains can be clearly villains from the start where their evil intentions are clear, like Maleficent. Some starts as an antagonist who are in direct opposition to the protagonist that then develop into a villain, like Gaston. In somewhat rare cases, the villains develop from characters that are "good" like a sidekick or a friend or even a hero in their own right (and very rare, the protagonist themselves) that then turns to evil or become corrupted, like Two Face.
As far as I can see, Magnifico is a twist villain but is rather poorly executed. It is like the writers aren't able commit to what type of villain Magnifico would be. Is he a twist villain, a villain from the start, or a relatable antagonist that develops into a villain? He has elements of all of them and that results to a mess of a villain.
Hans is a very Bad villian though. There is No Logic behind His character Arc.
@@rosverlegaspo6752 King Candy I'll give you, he honestly is a "multi-twist villain" since he goes through several twists. But I still think that twist in the narrative sense isn't what most people who use the term "twist villain" mean - they mean it in the sense of them being a villain is a genuine surprise to the viewer. And no matter what happens in the narrative, no viewer is surprised at King Magnifico being the villain. It's all over the marketing right down to the poster / cover art. That's why I don't agree that he in any way qualifies as a "twist villain".
Am i the only one who wished Magnifico would realize what he did and become good at the end. I mean look what originally happend to him. Also, he started this kingdom and allowed everyone to come in. Everyone seemed pretty happy. I think it was messed up that they jailed him. I hoped they would've made it that he would be forgiven.
The scene where you see him and Asha where they are singing in the beginning he is singing about protecting all of the wishes meanwhile she sees her grandfather's wish and literally no joke runs through all of the other wishes scattering them knocking them all over and only grabs her grandfather's wish singing about only preserving his wish.
It's interesting to see the "hero" act like a villain as usually it's the villain who will smash wishes but it's a sharp contrast to see the villain protecting and caring for every wish and the hero trodding underfoot everyone else's wish to serve her own ends.
That couldve been a good moral the main character appreciating all wishes and all people but no the king had to turn cartoonishly evil and asha is just morally pure and learns absolutely nothing
Remember when movies had characters learn and grow? I miss that
Yeah u right it just makes her seem selfish
Remember when Disney villian defeats actually made sense and were brutal like mother Gothel she turned old and fell off the tower and turned into dust because she was so old, Ursula got stabbed, Frollo got dropped into hell and his villian song was Hellfire, Scar got killed by a pack of hyenas, but no in this movie Magnifico gets defeated by singing like what? 😂that is just lazy writing
After I had heard the basics of the movie (young apprentice has an issue with how the powerful sorcerer handles wishes), I was honestly hoping this movie would be akin to the Sorcerer's Apprentice: the apprentice thinking she can be just as good - if not better - than the sorcerer only to learn the hard way that granting wishes without giving it any thought how it may affect things can turn things into chaos, resulting in the Sorcerer coming to her aid and - in the end - they both learn from her mistakes (He learns to loosen up on granting some of the more harmless wishes while she learns that all wishes shouldn't be granted on a whim because it's not just the obvious dangerous wishes that can harm others). I.e. - they both grow/learn from the experience. A solid message for the kiddos.
But, no - it's the same old tired trope of the obviously evil guy abusing his power and it's up to a young woman and her friends to overthrow him. I was planning to see the movie - but after reading the plot; yeah, hard pass.
Side note - Asha's grandfather's wish WAS vague (looking it up - he said he wanted to create something that would inspire generations to come). The vague part of it is 'how' he wanted to accomplish that - via a song? Poetry? A book? Being more specific on how he wanted to accomplish his goal would have increased his odds on getting his wish granted (given what we learn about Magnifico, it probably wouldn't have mattered; but it may have helped).
That would have been a better story. Wish they did that.
yeah, inspire people to do what exactly? plant trees? kill people?
I agree, a more balanced conflict between Magnifico and Asha would have been more interesting and would fit better with how the story was set up.
At All Costs was originally going to be a classic Disney love duet between Asha and Star who was going to be a magical human star-boy. That's why the song doesn't fit for King Magnifico. His wife was also going to be a villain with him till the end too. But I agree on him being a twist-villain, they just told us the twist earlier.
Where does it say that it was supposed to between Asha and Star?
We were robbed of a star husbando???
@@cartoonishidealism582 star is boy, love interest looks like jack frost
@@kreshravensango8421 Yeah but was the song “At All Costs” specifically supposed to be between them?
@@cartoonishidealism582 I mean, if you listen to the original song demo it's a love song.
Before the King started dabbling in dark magic, he was running a pretty successful kingdom. The citizens were WILLINGLY giving up their wishes to him (so the accusation that he was "stealing them" was absolutely false), and he actually had some good points about granting vague wishes and about running a successful kingdom in general.
At the end of the film, if all wishes were to be granted, does that include the wishes to rule and/or destroy the kingdom/world? Food for thought...
And thus the disney universe is created, with all granting wish
The wishes were not all granted at the end of the film. The wishes were returned to the people, and they were allowed to work hard and pursue their dreams on their own.
There’s kind of a vague set up where Asha gets the ability to grant wishes, but we don’t actually see what she does with it.
@@cartoonishidealism582 sorry i meant with asha granting wishes, the disney universe is born
You know that modern cliche of "X villain was right all along?
King Magnifico IS that trope.
The problem is he's the ONLY character in the movie who acknowledges that most wishes shouldn't come true. Like what if someone wished their neighbour dropped dead?
Asha basically just becomes King Magnifico with extra steps by the end with the implication she becomed the Fairy Godmother.
A magical being who selectively chooses which wishes get granted.
Oh wait.
I read lots of comments here and lots of people have better ideas than what Disney goes with. Lots of people could see the potential in Magnifico and how he could be executed in a lot of interesting ways. Whether he be a pure evil villain, a twist villain, a misguided antagonist or even an actual hero himself who is right all along; all could lead to an interesting story and character... but Disney, I just don't know how they could mess this up. Did they not know how to write a villain or an antagonist anymore? Or write a character in general?
I can’t help but feel like this movie was rushed or went through a ton of rapid rewrites in order to push it out by the end of 2023.
I think Magnifico would be great as a "turned villain" instead of a "twist"one
Give hints of his hubris but let him be loved and friendly
and make him gradually fall into vanity, make his"I can choose better rationality" surge throughout the movie
Yeah kinda like Gaston
@@cosmicspacething3474 exactly! But less of a stalker 🥴
Besides Jack Black's Bowser and the Marigold Gang in Lackadaisy, it's been grim pickings for animated villains this year
Bowser sucked.
You forgot to add The Spot, Superfly, including Velvet & Veneer to that list to.
His logic is... if everyone has their wishes, then they cannot be fulfilled and that is just true. We all think we want a fair world with no adversity to overcome but that simply would leave people bored. You need adversity, time and patience to create anything worthwhile. (Within reason, some types of adversity are not ok) If anything, he is the hero of the story because he is being "Be careful what you wish for"... people will normally wish selfish things to improve their own lives rather then helping others and those wishes should not be granted. He's arguing the same point that Esmarelda did in Hunchback "I ask for nothing, I can get buy but I know so many less lucky then I" but he's framed as a villain here.
This is because of the dramatic cultural shift in the west over the last 20 years towards self-indulgence and narcissism. (Especially with the rise of Social Media, who would really care about what food you are eating?) I would actually argue that Asha is the villain of the story if you look into it more closely... she represents a generation of people that want instant gratification with no cost, no price to be paid so I actually think Disney should have made Asha realise that he has a point, her Grandfather's wish is vague and not only that it's fundementally selfish, its the same as asking for fame and could indeed lead to awful things should it be granted.
I keep on thinking that what if Asha instead of wanting to become an apprentice who serves coffee would want to become a sorcerer apprentice. But because all the magic in the kingdom is banned and Magnifico is the only almighty sorcerer she has to appeal to him. He rejects her because he's already slipping into corruption and doesn't want anyone else to have what he has. And so we have a conflict between two very passionate people plus all the stuff with wishes.
This would’ve been amazing! 🤩
Disney is trying to emulate classic villains, without understanding why the classic villains worked.
As parents, me and my wife are totally team Magnifico.
I feel like they were trying to make Magnifco similar to King Candy, where hes charming but negligent until we learn his backstory? Or Mother Gothel where she pretends tp have Rapunzels safety in mind while gaslighting her into captivity? The problem is he never gets a chance to pretend he cares when they advertised how mean he was for ignoring wishes
What if Ashas grandpa had memory issues so she went to ask the King to recover his wish but he claimed it was lost? What if they discover that status quo changing wishes get hidden and cause you to slowly lose yourself? It's not a huge change but Ashas reason for rebelling is more tangible when he's pretending not to steal people's minds
I imagined that what if the wife was emotionaless, like she felt such a grief and sadness that she wish to feel nothing in that moment, for the pain to go away and it made her emotionaless due to that powerful emotion, what if magnifico saw this but he isn't one to show emotions due to maybe being king and keeping up a persona, once he sees his wife in this state it made me show emotions for the first time, thats why he wanted all the wishes thinking that maybe if he can grant more and more of them then It'll be stronger then his wife wish, slowly making him fall into madness more and more, desperately trying to get his wife back
Yeah I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that his entire Kingdom seemed to actually be quite happy with how he was running things.... He only turned to dark magic when his rule was threatened.....And that carefully picking and choosing the wishes to Grant of the entire populace of the kingdom is actually a very reasonable thing to do. Having the wishes somehow linked to everyone's total hopes and dreams was an odd added wrinkle.... But even then he made it explicitly clear that they gave them up voluntarily and no one seemed to be complaining about it. I'd love to see a sequel where we find out the consequencess of our protagonist running everything her way and things get so miserable around the kingdom that they actually turn to bringing magnifico back.... Maybe see some visions of the past of how he initially gained his powers and the stress of running a kingdom and balancing all those wishes got to him and gave him that narcissistic streak that eventually wound up driving him mad....
At the end of the day quite frankly magnifico feels like they actually took a hero, slapped a few politically incorrect stickers on him to fit leftist sensibilities and then determined that was how you make a bad guy. Then they did the same thing for the protagonist ...making sure she had the wonderfully brave and diverse backup crew and slapped enough labels on her to make her the hero when in another movie she very easily could have been the villain.
I agree with this. I still think he not a villain, he turned cause of Asha telling everyone how he handles wishes when he ask her NOT TOO which she betrayed his trust. When you have the ability to grant wishes, you have to be careful which wish you grant. Furthermore, these folks GAVE their wish in a verbal contract hoping to get it granted. Once you agree to the contract the wish is literally his property to do as he wish. Asha is wrong when she said their wishes belong to the people who wish it. It his cause they willing gave to him in a verbal contract and also they forgot what their wish anyway. I still think he not a villain, he went crazy when Asha betrayed his trust.
This is one thing I don’t really understand. Not everyone has a wish that’s beneficial and should be granted automatically. Under the assumption that wishes CAN be granted, someone should be making sure that wishes SHOULD be granted. And frankly, eighteen year olds are still pretty terrible at thinking about the future and what it would be like living with X in the long term.
The people of Rosas seem…pretty ok with this arrangement, which makes the stakes a bit lower for Asha to save them and their wishes.
@@shelbybuttimer1397 something tells me whatever geniuses wrote this decided that since it was supposed to be a kids movie, kids wouldn't put that much thought into it. Your average six year old doesn't have that much of a head for subversive politics after all. Which is scary when you contemplate the message they were trying to put out to kids and stupid when you consider that adults were always going to see this too because who was going to take the kids to see the movie?
His song isn’t even bad, it’s just not a villain song you know? Some parts are pretty cool and I enjoy his facial expressions and I like Chris pines acting. It’s just not a villain song that really makes you get into his villainy. I think it would have been so cool if he wasn’t a villain at all (that or both him and the queen were villains together because a villain power couple seems amazing).
I saw a comment that said it would have been interesting if he had good intentions and then was made into a monster and honestly I love that idea. I mean think about it, if everyone was free to make whatever wish they want, that would be pretty bad. What if someone wished harm on someone else? Or wished to be king etc. of course we need a wish keeper to keep wishes in check, so what if the MC was the accidental villain all along? In her ignorance she tries to give everyone wishes and turns the well meaning king into a full fledged villain who didn’t do it by choice. Maybe he became corrupt by magic or something in the process. Like ACTUALLY corrupt, think of dark matter just engulfing his body and just taking control of him kind of corruption. Now we have a sympathetic villain and a MC who messed up. The hero Creating a villain is a cool concept people don’t often indulge in enough.
That or they should have given us a villain couple, and not a toxic couple but a genuinely sweet and healthy relationship that just so happened to bind over the suffering of others lol
I feel like they tried to make it be an Akechi Persona 5 type of situation where they tried to make him a good guy that is capable of being a egotistical manic villain. BUT, they didn't want to fully commit to him being someone we should enjoy as a villain or someone who is a tragic villain.
I believe it would’ve been better if Magnifico’s backstory was expanded upon in a song, showing just how bad a world without magic can be. But during his rise of power as he uses magic for good, granting the wishes of people, he realizes as well that some wishes are just bad. He refuses to grant those wishes for the good of his people, but soon realizes that some good wishes on paper can turn out to be bad, forcing him to spend an entire month before choosing a wish. Then slowly dipping further into the darkness as he tries to decide the best for his people, but with Asha at his side acting as an adviser and second point of view. Later realizing she betrayed him with magic of her own as he sees some wishes he previously rejected were given.
Then tries to kill Asha and take some wishes away, telling his people that he knows what’s best.
It's like the disney didn't read the story of the monkey's paw
Walt Disney shaking his head rn somewhere
Magnifico … Disney’s animated answer to Amazon’s Homelander
Oh yeah.
He's...total wasted potential.
Maybe the point is he would do better in the sequel
@@kreshravensango8421Jesus what lunatic would give a sequel the green light.
@@seafoam6119 they are already burning for it. You should have seen the smoke😂
Did you see concept art of not only Star having a human form but Queen Amaya being a villain too?
i guess she was supposed to become the evil queen
Please don't make me more disappointed ☹️ because no one asked and I don't want things to get any worse.
I don't need motivation. I like evil for the sake of evil. Power, revenge, hate - those are great! Not a sad backstory that makes us go "Oh I understand, you've had it hard"
Angered me bc they spilled the whole plot within the first 15 mins after she tells her Papa. To me, after the King got angry & wouldnt grant the wish, he was the Villian. This was hardly a 100th celebration :(
But the wish wasn’t safe, that not villainous??
The Magnifico character is like the Jimmy Stewart character in "It's a Wonderful Life" - they both make personal sacrifices to help most of their customers/ townsfolk fulfill some but not all of their dreams. The plot of "Wish" is what might have happened if Stewart's customers hadn't rallied around him in his time of need & let him go bankrupt / or to prison because they were selfish & ungrateful
I'm thinking abt what you said about his motivation being too complex for an old timey disney villain makes me think, it's really true! Most of the classic disney villains want to change the status quo, they want to usurp someone or steal something from the protagonist, but Magnifico is already in power by the start and the kingdom is doing pretty ok, the whole first song is about how the kingdom is cool, it feels like if he was an actual villain the Kingdom would like be more outwardly oppressive or like a brainwashing cult leader instead of a cheerful king who is pretty nice. Like it feels like he's halfway between a twist villain and a classic disney villain so it' this weird in-between that doesn't commit to either side
Easily the biggest issue in this movie is that they don’t do ANYTHING to flesh out the people of Rosas like Asha’s family and friends.
It would have been cool if we saw the actual consequences of Magnifico stealing everyone’s wish. Maybe while it APPEARS that everyone is happy, we can see that the citizens are constantly demotivated, kinda just sleepwalking through life, no passion or drive, and the only thing that gets them excited is the announcement of a wish ceremony.
Do something like Encanto, where the family seems mostly happy except for Mirabel at first, and then as the movie goes on you realise “Oh, they’re actually all kind of miserable.”
Disney's OG villains came from a very specific section of Broadway glamour and camp. What made them great was their theatrics, and the power of their archetypes. Disney has always borrowed from Broadway. Unfortunately Broadway is dominated by Lin Manuel Miranda, who is terminally annoying.
Well I say he's good with songs and plays
That's it
Cause I love me some Hamilton
But I don't know why he's dominant over stuff since he's mostly just a composer
Thank you for this. There has been a systematic dumbing down of show-tunes along with everything else since Howard Ashman’s death, and the inconsistency of Disney music since then is a manifestation of it. As pop music degenerates into ear r@p3, musical theatre, and by proxy movie and TV musicals, are getting dragged down with it. *Scamilton* was highly overrated. It is everything I turned to musical theater to get away from. It is the musical equivalent of Nick at Nite going from *I Love Lucy, Bewitched, The Mary Tyler Moore Show* and the first two Bob Newhart sitcoms to *Wh-‘s th- B-ss, Full (of shit) House* and *F(r)iends.* Disney clings to LMM because he is a wh0r3 for Nestlé like they are and because they no longer want to create an environment full of laughter, joy, and merriment.
The King is a thinly veiled version of Walt Disney! The character is one sided because his complexion makes him evil. Period. What a way to celebrate Walt’s vision 100 years later!
I was thinking Bob Iger.
Magnifico has the most goofy expressions I have ever seen in an animated character, i just cant take him seriously as a villain at all
They certainly got the basics down with his character. He's basically Gaston if he were a sorcerer and a ruler. He's a narcissistic, sociopathic, manipulative megalomaniac who is also surprisingly charming and charismatic. Kudos to Chris Pine because his performance is definitely one of the highlights. And that's where it ends. They don't do much with him afterwards. They could have used the magic book to make his decent into madness make more sense and consistent with his behavioral changes.
The people that wrote the script to Wish will never be unsupervised with my children, especially my sons.
Their king gets a tragic backstory, then he gets morally trashed and villainized, goes mad, is cursed in to a magic mirror, then his wife gives up on him and locka him away in the dungeon.
The message? Don't you dare seek the power to overcome a tragic past and protect others, it will corrupt you.
Ashs's friend whose only wish is to become a loyal knight to the king he loves and wishes to serve. He gets is wish, is brainwashed in to attacking his friends, and when he comes to just abandons knighthood without a word.
The message? Being a knight is toxic. Your leader will brainwash you.
The only good male characters are a frail old man, and a couple of skinny and highly forgettable tag alongs. Asha has no male friends that are her equal either aesthtically, intellectually, or morally, and they have no pivotal role.
The message to boys? You are not important.
Thanks Disney. You stink. I'm not surprised screenings for Wish are empty.
Hes my fav character lol
If the movie was just his song this is the thanks I get, i would rate it higher than this actual one
It would have been nice if he was revealed to be the one who destroyed his previous village
It would have been nice if it was revealed that his village was destroyed because someone make a wish to a star and everything went downhill
@@rubendelgado5098It would have a good explanation as to why he's so paranoid about keeping the wishes in his castle
@@rubendelgado5098 that would not make him a good villain though. Just a paranoid loser
The mural of his village was partly burnt. Did they ever explain what was up with that?
@@Loptr177 Exactly, the whole movie relies on the king thinking that the wishes are a danger, yet the movie never shows that, and his backstory is never fully explained is just vague and implied that something bad happens, the magic star being the cause of his village destruction would explain his paranoid behavior
The movie is beautiful but it felt short(???) Idk maybe im looking for silent moments where Asha and King magnifico have enough screentime(???) Not sure it felt short and it ended too quick
Imagine being hyped up as one of Disney’s most “formidable” villains and being defeated by everyone singing a song that most of them had never heard before
At least he's the classic Disney villain archetype that we've been missing for years and that was seen in Disney's earliest films, where villains were revealed from the start of the story instead of revealing their true colors later on through plot twists or just being confused individuals who ultimately redeem themselves upon seeing the errors of their ways, whether their crimes were forgivable or not. Also, Chris Pine has expressed hopes that King Magnifico ends up as iconic as the villains from the Disney Renaissance era, feeling that he delivered a good performance thanks to the music written by Benjamin Rice and Julia Michaels, in addition to feeling honored to play a villain with "great eyebrows".
My issue with him is I don’t get enough context in the first half of the movie on why he is evil, is goals and motivation are so blurred and confusing, but the second half of the movie after he uses the book filled with forbidden magic he is better and more fun as his goal is clear and his motivation for more power is obvious. Like they just don’t go all in on him being evil or even mean in the beginning and it just throws off the idea of him being a “villain” and it’s frustrating.
It's like the movie itself doesn't know what villain he should be.
Just watched the movie yesterday and I definitely agree. It’s the most disappointed I’ve been by a villain (and a Disney movie) in a very long time.
It's like they started to give him good writing and it fell halfway through. So frustrating.
The reason his song works for me is that it shows how vain and how prideful he is with lines like I put the I in omnipotent or how a lot of lines make it seem like he thinks he’s gods gift to mankind. Plus lyrics like I give the clothes off beneto’s back show how he wouldn’t sacrifice his own happiness for others.’
I like how this review is more in detail on how he was written rather than just Asha’s motivations and how he’s the “good guy” it opened me up to a more clear perspective on why he doesn’t work as a villain for others thank u ☺️
King Magnifico isn't the villain. Asha is.
Doesn't change the fact that he's hot
I’ve read some pretty interesting comments about how to fix Magnifico’s weird motivation leaps so I came up with a re-write of my own.
Just make him an apprentice to the actual mage (maybe even let the queen be the mage). Make him unsatisfied with being in an inferior position and not knowing what his wish is because he too gave it up at 18. The queen doesn’t grand his wish because it is dangerous and entirely egocentric, something like “I wanna be the most powerful magician in the universe” or “I wanna rule the whole kingdom and all the people love me” sorta thing. At first Magnifico is trying his best helping the queen but grows to resent her for denying him his wish for so long. And then Asha comes into play. Maybe she wants to be the next apprentice, maybe she tries to steal some wish for herself but accidentally reveals to Magnifico his own wish. And Magni is like “oh. well. i guess now I just have to make it come true then” and decides to overthrow the queen with some dark magic shit.
It’s not ideal obviously but it seems like a better script than the one we got in the actual film. Also sorry for my poor grammar, not a native lol
Disney don't know how to make evil villains anymore. At this point we justhave to accept this
They know how to, they just don't want to because there's an agenda they're are trying to push.
No, we don’t.
Well, I don't. So...
The 90s crew is all gone.
They could just hire new people who want to respect Walt's legacy if they wanted to... but no, "let's diddle kids to make them be like us". @@bemiatto67
It's so comical seeing Dreamworks creating a pure evil villain as a parody and works better as a character than when Disney tries to make one seriously
Do you mean Fairy Godmother?
@@dohavename6775 Jack Horner
I haven’t seen nor am I interested in Wish but dear god just by the trailer alone you can tell that Disney just took pieces of their iconic best movies, threw them into a blender to make each character. and it’s not the good pieces.
DreamWorks bested Disney with Jack Horner
I was looking at this movie in a different way. Magnifico was a great example of government and how it can turn tyrannical. Government promises to keep you safe, grant your requests, and puts on a theatrical show for the people. It does what is in the best interest of the state. Like government it gives you hope but has no real intention of granting your wishes. When Magnifico went full dictator at the end he literally forced all to submit to his will, he stole their dreams, made them feel sad and silenced them. It was only through the power of the people that were willing to stand up against him, government, that they were able to take it back and install new leadership. The people had their wish and power all along they just had to find it.
King Magnifico was the first TRUE villain in 13 years since Mother Gothel. But he wasn't THAT evil enough to be memorable. He never killed anyone & he wasn't that scary or menacing. Compare him to the legendary og villains like Scar & Frollo. Those two were truly evil, scary, menacing & succeeded in killing people. Plus their deeds were heinous enough to make them worthy of death.
Remember that scene in Hunchback where Esmerelda is coughing from her pyre and you see Frollo's grin through the heat of the flames?
That is the grin of evil.
@@cybertramon0012 yeah. When I first saw that I was very unsettled. Frollo's grin was that of RAW evil. Not pure evil. RAW evil. Watching and grinning a person you hate about to be burned alive is demonic & sadistic behavior.
@@joshualowe959 Sounds like Frollo would fit in beautifully on Twitter/X.
I saw this movie yesterday, it was THE ONLY DISNEY FILM I was looking forward to see this year, even more so that things like Guardians of the Galaxy (who ended been THE ONLY GOOD THINGS Disney tossed this year)....................say how much of a let down this movie is, have no way to measure with words.........I sink literally and physically on my seat full of cringe watching this movie. The characters where bad, the songs where bad, the story abysmal, the conclusion a pile of garbage, and the only redeeming thing in the whole film....the VILLAIN....was also disappointing.....how DREAMWORKS can put 3 archetypes of villains in 1 films with Puss in Boots the Last Wish, and all works excellently, while Disney who should be the king at this, put 1 and F UP so badly, is beyond me..............Disney is officially dead to me.
You forgot Once upon a studio
Interesting thoughts. I do agree that the way his characterization is paced is weird. Unlike you, I actually would have preferred if he had been a more sympathetic villain.
The opening of the film made me hopeful that he'd be a more nuanced character, someone who genuinely wanted to make people happy but lost his way at some point. The conflict about granting wishes made me think of the film "Bruce Almighty". In that movie the titular character is granted the powers of God, and uses them to grant everyone's prayers. However, this ends up creating chaos and Bruce learns that being a loving God is much harder than it seems. I think the film could have used a similar conflict, with a few bad experiences making Magnifico paranoid about granting wishes and Asha not realizing why it may not necessarily be a good idea to grant everyone's desires.
Even "This Is The Thanks I Get" could have been recontextualized to not be about his arrogance, but to show that his paranoia has twisted his perception and made him believe that the citizens are ungrateful instead of just uncertain about why he does things the way he does. Him choosing to use forbidden magic could also have been used to allow him to be a traditional over-the-top villain for the climax while still leaving him open for redemption because he wouldn't be in his right mind.
I normally don't have a problem with the "evil for the sake of it" type of bad guy. They're often pretty entertaining. But with "Wish" it's disappointing that they had a perfect set up to make the antagonist a complex villain and didn't use it.
imo, the problem with the movie can be summarized simply with 'mid'. Everything is mid, boring, safe, nothing hilariously bad, nothing exceptional. The visuals, design, story, characters, even the marketing, there is nothing significantly interesting about anything.
Plus the song he sings is too upbeat, it doesn’t invoke fear.
I can tell you why. The real villain has the millennial haircut, shaved one side and call it a day.
King Magnifico was my favourite villain, and you can't tell me otherwise.
Well at least Magnifico is a Disney villain we all saw coming.
I have yet to see the entire film of Wish, but I have seen plenty of ads and clips from it…and tbh I kind of have an unpopular theory about it…that Magnifico possibly really was evil all along??
What if he’d always known of the wishes and the powers they yielded?…
While Queen Amaya believes that they built a new world together, meanwhile in reality King Magnifico developed a thirst for power. And one of the reasons he let people live in Rosas with “no rent” is because the higher the kingdom’s population, the more wishes that are made, and the more power Magnifico has.
I do, however, understand the reason of not granting all wishes, as some can be, well…bad. However that’s not entirely just the case bc Asha also realizes that many good wishes, including those of her family, have not been granted. The reason why so many still remain not granted or “returned” are due to them being Magnifico’s source of power. The reason he targets Asha and Star is because both are threats to his power. And when all else has failed, he then starts using forbidden magic to become even more powerful.
If you search up Wish’s summary (movie synopsis) the first sentence states that “Young Asha makes a wish so powerful that it’s answered by a cosmic force, a little ball of boundless energy called Star.” King Magnifico, upon finding out about Star, sees this is as opportunity to gain more power.
So basically my theory is Magnifico managed to manipulate everyone in his kingdom to believe that he is worthy of respect because he is a generous soul willing to grant the wants and needs of his people (through wishing, of course), when in reality he is a narcissistic, power-hungry tyrant.
The only thing I have mixed emotions about is the alleged “villain song,” really. Don’t get me wrong, it’s catchy, but it doesn’t sound like a villain song at all. And the chorus only consists of one line.
I know Disney can do better than that. :/
Other than that I’m kind of excited to see Wish tbh, I heard Asha is anticipated to be the newest Disney Princess!
:)
Anyways I know this is long so if u got this far, congrats and have a good day. :)
EDIT: Once again, this theory is based off of clips I have seen and I have NOT seen the entire movie yet. So this theory could be entirely wrong..,
I think it would've worked very nicely to have Magnifico as a sympathetic villain who's legitimately trying to do what's right, and then have a pure evil force of magic given a voice that's trying to manipulate him, thus giving a face to the random turn he goes on after opening an evil book or whatever. He accepts the demon guy's powers/lets him inhabit his body/etc.
Best of both worlds: a sympathetic villain who gets redeemed by the end, and a true, pure evil villain controlling everything from the shadows.
Not him trying to rap lol