The man said it himself: "they're taking up space" he meant _his_ space and this is a weak attempt to ladder-climb in the culture by tearing someone else down. None of these arguments are new, we were having them in the 90s, and nobody agreed then either. People agreed that hip hop needed to be controlled by people close to its roots, and it's done a good job so far- again, this is just some people pissed off at their position.
yea thats why this argument is so weird lol. We can literally use their logic based on what race a person was that created something and say no one else is allowed to partake in it or use something
@@philly289 I agree that the argument is flimsy af, but I think trying to pull analogies to other things is hard here because it disregards the important historical context of Hip-Hop being something that arose kind of as a way of fighting against Black oppression and inequality and as a way to give a voice people rendered voiceless by said oppression and inequality. Clubhouse isn't like that obviously, that's just people with the means to create a platform creating one; there's no other part to it. An accurate analogy would require capturing that context somehow, which I think is harder than it sounds.
@@fastmovingvolcanomatter hip hop was not a protest initially but a party. Listen to the early MC’s? Something to provide an escape for Black and Latino residents in the Bronx. The protest element was only part and came later. If protecting that is the issue then songs today don’t often reflect that either. Policing art is not a pathway to anything good. Even country music, is an amalgamation of British, Irish and French folk music brought to the US with African rhythmic influences. A lot of folk does have its roots in protest, suffering etc. Who gate-keeps that? A better example is these guys feel that the exclusion of Black people in society entitles them to gate-keep this regardless of the persons contribution. Apparently Mouse wants to hold the keys.
@@fastmovingvolcanomatter i may agree with your logic because i do see truth in it but again did black people invented the tools they used to create music. Did they develop and design the apps they produce music with or the platforms they sell their music in. So to claim white people don't belong is a delusional concept that only exist in a persons mind and not founded on reality
For anyone who doesn't know I was in the same boat as you when I heard mouse 🐁 talking down on Eminem earlier this week, apparently his a puff daddy affiliate but I'm not sure what he has ever done for Hip-Hop.
Everlast, Ill Bill, Necro, Vinnie Paz, Ra the Rugged Man, Action Bronson, Copywrite, Cage, Remedy, Mr. Eon and the list goes on and on. I think Mouse only know Eminem and Vanilla Ice.
@@Cat_90S Thank you so much for your music, it has opened gateways for me to grow as a human exponentially, I'v always considered you the greatest not in terms of ability(while that is arguable) but in terms of embodying hip hop, in the form of giving voices to those without one, and words of wisdom to those who otherwise wouldn't recieve it. So thank you so much for what you have given not only me but millions of people around the world.
@@NextMJ2 yall realized once mlk got taken down by a racist all that I have a dream shyt went out the window when he was on his death bed right? Smdh all skin folk ain't kin folk
@@Black_Jus202 smh i hope this isnt just blaze the real guy cuz that comment was insensitive and stupid as fuck ive heard him speak so this cant be you
@@hexagonoctogon3140 its a RUclips alias are you slow? We don't listen to him get over it, not one time have I even heard Eminem played at a club a party a kickback a cookout ever in my entire 34 years on earth we don't listen to white rappers, I haven't heard him played in somebody's car since I was in high-school when the Eminem show was out he is a good rapper and lyricist but the black community is not listening to his music he sells what he sells because white America is his consumer if yall supported Royce they way yall support Eminem We wouldn't be having this conversation
If white people stopped spending money and stopped listening to hiphop far part as iTunes, Spotify etc.. be a different conversation, white people can purchase the music but cant be apart. Look it up 70% of people who listen to hiphop is white. But white people dont belong. This whole thing just seems really racists to me. IMO
@Eighty Baby even so, people like carti, travis, and juiceworld would not be making as much or be as famous as they are if they only had strictly American African fans. If we’re gonna completely gatekeep hip-hop to only American Blacks. Since only American Blacks know the specific struggle that hip-hop stems from. Hip-hop couldn’t be mainstream, it couldn’t be worldwide.
@Eighty Baby bro you trippin. Been white buying 70% of music since the 90s. Think about it. Fuck it make basketball a white thing then and see how they like the conversation 🤷🏽♂️
@Eighty Baby You're lying to yourself, but aiight. Where do you think that 50k was made from in the market to even have on hand? You actually think they'd continue to be able to spare that amount to pay Boosie if a large part of the market just decided to drop out? Learn chain reactions and economics. White people all over the world will stop buying merch and going to shows. You are actually that delusional that you think a majority of money wouldn't be lost if not a single white person continued taking part in the culture? How can you be this dumb? All the shit you mentioned...whether other countries or concerts...still include white people. WTF are you even talking about? Everything would be cut down by AT LEAST 50% if white people stopped consuming and understood that they were no longer welcomed.
Mouse said Country came from black people and he right, but they don't wanna talk about it because white people took that genre over. They just scared white people finna take hip-hop. They just Scurrred. 13:09 Mouse said that white people can defend themselves, but he kept interrupting Serch when Mc was talking. He contradicting himself. This is hard to listen to.
@@kanadamann Obviously thinking is not a big part of your life. Take over like jazz got worse took over rock and roll got worse.....Even hockey got worse.. If the pattern continues black people have every right to feel like that. Its like Em fans are a subdivision in the culture youknow there there but they dont matter to the culture.
@Bubba Lubba No they didnt even the banjo comes from Africa. Its a long list of claiming stuff thats not theres and given the people before them no credit.
so are all the white consumers allowed? lol. Anyone can make a song and put it out on youtube and if people like the music there is nothing these racist haters like mouse can do about it...i understand the part about keeping the culture authentic but the best part about hip hop to me was it brings people from all different walks of lives together cause all have a common love for the music.
We'll still be considered racist for not being willing to take part in that. Basically, people with opinions like this expect you to understand and come to terms with the fact that you're trash for being a certain color/race and still be willing to buy their shit so they can live off of it because we owe blacks..."and you're going to fucking like it too." This is what far left democrats have become.
When Dj Toomp called out the fact that the people questioning stuff “are of a certain age bracket” people was like: Wait a minute... And i think that says something. Plus when 9th Wonder spoke, people who really looking at the big picture was on board. This discussion needs some other hip hop figures and icons who can speak to the early foundations to really paint the full picture. Because having the millennial perspective ain’t enough and we can see that because of how much friction is in the room. Real recognize real and Mouse and a few others trying real hard to get away from that form of respect, they trying to dictate how other should feel or see things.
9th wonder schooled they ass REAL QUICK. I don’t know folks be tryna question him. Aside from him being a legendary producer, He’s really a hip hop historian!!! So when he speak, folks need to LISTEN 💯💯
I'll never understand someone claiming any credit for something that someone else who just happened to be a similar skin tone accomplished/created. It just seems like such a weak mind state. You don't deserve credit for things that YOU didn't do.
@@Black_Jus202 Not from what they sayin. And even that take is no good. Everyone other than black and Latino people... That's the same BS take as that Mouse clown is saying. But I still think he would say Latinos are also guests. Cause they not black either.
HIP-HOP IS NOT BLACK CULTURE. Hip-Hop is a culture of it's own and is a PRODUCT OF Black culture. Soul food is Black culture. B-Boying is Hip-Hop. Roots, Good Times, Love & Basketball, The Wood, etc. Is Black culture. Rapping, taggin/bombing/Graffiti, is hip-hop. Yes the CULTURE of Hip-Hop is predominantly Black, it was FOUNDED by us and we mostly took part in it, and built it up, but to talk it as if we're the ONLY ones who helped make it what it is, is against the basic principles of Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop is not on you, it's in you. It's all about unity at the root of it all. "I'm here to inspire young people to be a part of the most magnificent culture on earth: hip-hop." - KRS-One
Only for Royce to get called a caping Stephen?...'cus you know they would. Royce is highly respected but if it suits their agenda, they'll chip away at him over time too. He's made his thoughts known already - he holds a stance where it's black culture and black should back black, but if white is authentically good people and allies to the culture then that's how it is. Basically white people have to earn their spot, but when they do, that should be respected.
Some of these conversations really be pissin me off...Hip Hop was founded by us black folks, yes, for sure. 100%! But it has evolved to be very inclusive and allows all races to influence it and have a serious place within it.
All of this is purely because Eminem is at the top of the game. If he wasn't, this wasn't even gonna be a discussion...period...This is really sad...The same people that were fighting for equality are now fighting for divide. Music is supposed to bring people together not tare them apart...Michael Jackson is a perfect example...his music made people see no color.
Chace is definitely a father to hip hop. Because the spiritual guiders were 5%. They understood hip hop was a bottom up thing. Yes you get the white man aint shit ones. But im from NYC and hip hop was made by Jamaicans, Cubans and Puerto Ricans. It was never a black art form. It was a poor art form to make you be happy no matter where you from.
Hip hop was not started by puerto ricans and cubans....jamaican toasting is an element of hip hop..but hip hop was and is and dominated mainly by black ppl and is a black form..where are you getting your info from...its well documented wtf..
I respect what Kayslay said and it makes me think. He mentioned how Black men have screwed him over and i think that brings up a good point.. It aint about skin color... it should be you only want GOOD people WHO RESPECT HIP HOP to be in hip hop... As a white man, i've never seen another white man and said ima help him cuz he's white or never saw a white man and thought he gonna help me cuz i'm white.. I align myself with people I trust, regardless of color... Hip Hop should only want people good for hip hop in, regardless what color they are..
Exactly! But the problem with 90% of the people in this Chattyhouse convo shit is that they don't believe a person can be a pillar if they white. And with that, are they Saying that Big Pun and Fat Joe etc are also not pillars because they not black?? If so, they need to GTFOH.
@@user-mb6nf9wt3k But they didnt say that... They sayin only black. And dont gey me wrong, it was created by black folks but, anyone can be a pillar. They didn't include Latino people in that conversation which is why I bring it up. Their arguement I don't agree with.
Genius has no color and adds to every culture, to restrict art and creativity bc of race is irresponsible and sad, its 2021, lets open our hearts to everybody that have skill and talent regardless of color or race, and love one another...one love, music = universal language.
Our genius is the only genius that is white washed and stolen and manufactured for profit we only see a minimal percentage of. You like black music but don't understand black people these so called black people capeing for yall are lost suffering from centuries of white oppression smh
@@Black_Jus202 creating more seperation isn't the answer, if you want something to improve, it will not improve by promoting seperation, unity on the otherhand, yes, when we stick together we can overcome anything...2021 can be the year we start changing old paradigms that no longer serve us, or whoever, through connection and unity, lets start to tell a different story so a different outcome can be achieved. We experience in life what we think and talk about and believe, if we start thinking/talking about things differently, we can change our beliefs in turn, changing the outcome. We can not solve a problem with the same seperation mindset that created them...one love, thats all, take away our skin, we're the same underneath. Lets start telling a different story, creating a different world. Peace
@@thedopamineshop8831 your replies tell me you are not familiar with the black American experience or history stop speaking on issues you have zero knowledge of. If was as easy as you say peace would be an after thought and we would not be having this conversation the fact is very few things have changed for blacks yall look at entertainers as where we want to be as a community we want our kids to do productive things with there life's not sports or entertainment, but the only time we get credit is sports and entertainment black people are more complex than just rapping and dribbling a basketball but we don't get that credit we are 400 years behind in education. We were killed as far back as the early 1900s for being able to read and write stop it you can't relate stop it educate your self on our struggle
Last time i remember, the founders of hip hop went on record saying hip hop was created to bring everyone together, and all I hear on these app chats is black people saying everything needs to be separated! This shit is just wrong!
We didn't invent football,baseball,basketball,boxing or many other things and we aren't guest in them according to popular belief ....certain black people are considered the best at all of them arguably and I don't hear anyone complaining or saying we are guest....this is a excuse to be a bigot.
Los was referring to Black music in its totality, 9th and Serch were referring to Hip Hop culture and the musical genre in itself.white ppl are visitors in Black music,but in Hip Hop some of them played integral parts to Hip Hop's foundation.
To follow this logic...you would have to conclude that 69 belongs in hip hop more than Em...or Lil Pump has more ownership over the culture than Rick Rubin...these are the positions you end up taken when you make things about race rather than meritocracy. Exactly the idea that us as black people have been fighting to tear down in America for centuries.
15:38 Oooh Karen was talking about that Yes Julz interview with Murda Mook, where Julz disrepected her and none of the guys said anything, I remember this interview was wild
Why does color still stand out for y’all? Can’t y’all just be grateful that hiphop culture is bigger than ever. This music helped me drift away from my negativity, it makes me feel empowered, I felt like I wasn’t the only one with the struggle and let me tell you rn I’m ASIAN. For those who are saying that any race aside from black people are culture vultures then you must be the vulture cuz you can’t stomach the individuals who are actually doing something for the culture and y’all just jealous cuz you’re not doing well enough to get the same amount of dough and attention like your so-called “Vulture Culture”. Y’all want to end discrimination but you do it too. Smh
It's like Mouse and some of the others WANT someone to go off balance and say some shit he's gonna regret later. I have never seen someone speak so overtly racist online KNOWING that this call can be recorded and uploaded somewhere. He either really wants to stir the pot and get a reaction or he genuinely believes what he says. Either case, it's bad.
Hip hop was supposed to be the one thing that United everyone. This is such a silly debate, this debate is the the equivalent of, “immigrants are taking all of our jobs.” Just not true.
I respect 9th to the utmost, I revere his knowledge and his place in hip hop culture and history. And I have to say, I passionately support what the younger members of this conversation are saying and offering. Hip Hop is indigenous to Black people. Black Americans have never been able to say publicly that any of their traditions and cultural components are theirs, never been allowed to claim them, while White America takes whatever we want for ourselves. It's cultural violence and terrorism, plain and simple. White people like Rick Rubin have made significant contributions to the culture, but I don't think it's disrespectful to say he's just a contributor. There's honor in contributing. It's still recognition. And hip hop, being indigenous to Black people, should be claimed as theirs. It's high time that their entitlement to claim what's theirs be supported and recognized. Yes, we're all human, but our humanity isn't diminished, and we're not being deprived of something by being told we don't belong. Not every human belongs to every culture. There's nothing wrong with being honest about that simple truth at all, and it's shameful that White people would respond to such a truth being spoken with feelings of being offended. All that does is expose how fragile our sense of cultural identities and our sense of self is. And it is fragile. I, for one, feel honored that the younger members of this conversation, while bravely claiming hip hop is theirs, opening themselves up to being attacked from numerous sides by doing so, are generous enough to allow us a place in hip hop to participate and contribute. I'm sure a lot of folks will offer some backlash toward me for saying that. So be it. The truth is that after everything that's been looted from Black Americans by White Americans over so many generations, and after all the ways they and their ancestors have been terrorized, allowing us a place to participate and contribute IS enormously generous.
Notice how the vast majority of hip hop artists don't say this. Because they are focused on the ART. Art imitates the street if anything, not the other way around.
The fact that mouse...or even King Los who I've lost a ton of respect for....think they can dictate to 9th Wonder or even Mc Search about hip hop is crazy to me...from mouse a dude who has never wrote a bar or made a beat...he can dictate to Mc Search about hip hop because he has more melanin????? Wild to me.
Does Tiger Woods belong in golf?? Can you imagine if an old golf legend was DEFIANTLY telling Tiger Woods to always REMEMBER that he is a "guest" in the sport of golf??
The disappointing thing about this is that this has ZERO relevance to art or race relations. A world where people do what they want and we base it on if they good or not then none of this shit should matter. If we don't' want to fuck with the majors we can become the majors. Be the change we want to see.
Here's my thing, we in a time now where young black artists, don't even respect the legends that paved the way for them to be here. So y speak on something so small, cuz music is supposed to be for everybody. If u have the respect, knowledge, n want to hone your craft as a lyricist n be in hip hop then it should not matter what color u r! This hip hop thing is global ya dig!!!
This kinda reminds me of the New York perspective on hip hop. Because it started there they're the only ones that can say what's acceptable and what is now. Not looking at the fact that hip hop is an ever changing ever evolving thing. It went from the Bronx to Bangkok. Some it's multi cultural now. And that's a beautiful thing. Peace love unity and having fun is bigger than racial division. Anything thing that God gives is meant to be a blessing for all no matter who he inspired to push it through. Ijs
Serch was signed to Def Jam, Toured with Public Enemy, and was at the Union Square Ballroom & The LQ back when Hiphop was just expanding outside of the Neighborhoods in NYC. Who the HELL is Mouse??
wasnt boxing a ancient greek sport do we get to say mike tyson ali, foreman, dont belong in boxings history books because black people wasnt the originators of boxing?? as shit as the sport is do we get to discredit tiger woods for being the goat of golf or is it only a white boy in hiphop thing and the same rules dont apply to anything else??? do you know how shit this planet would be if every race stuck to the thing they created we wouldnt have any michael jordons, lebrons, Kobe's, iron mikes george foreman, ali, we wouldnt have had big pun everybody we grew up idolising wouldnt excist if every race stuck to what they created
I get what they trying to do but c'mon son, how is this dude Mouse dictating who the culture belongs to, like I get that it's bigger than music but saying that white folks don't belong is wild. Hip-Hop belongs to the people not just black folks. Besides how do you say you came from Hip-Hop if your pops ain't a MC, you not from it. If you talk about the struggle, that's fine, but you must acknowledge that there are white people on that struggle too. What I really get from this conversation is that they want more empowerment for black folks and that's dope, but you talking about kicking a man from Rap like it's a boys club is just disingenuous and destructive. If you don't like Em songs don't listen to them, but don't say that you personal taste is all of Hip-Hop.
Shit I grew up on hip hop. If i'm not allowed to comment on it let me get my dollars back. I'm just as invested in this culture as the next. I have followed this since the 90's. To dictate someone can't belong to something is the definition of racist. Should African Americans not be allowed in football, basketball or baseball.. all funded by majority white males? Should Tiger Woods not play golf? Should Black men not date white women? Should White men not date black women? If I bump reasonable doubt in my house, and you bump it in the streets, how is that different in culture? Should Obama not be allowed to be president cause the majority in the states is white? This is all trash bro. Racism is racism no matter what box you put it in and how you wrap it. We are all in this life together, cultures rub off on other cultures. We are not like China, or Russia, or whatever. This is America. We have a mixed pot. Just because people want to segregate themselves, which is fine, doesn't mean they dictate how others live their lives.
How can Rick Ruben be just a visitor when if it wasn't for him rap music could have died right after the first stage. Rick is responsible for bringing in artists of a new era of rap music. His vision and ear brought in rappers with new styles and he produced music that was a new sound that evolved the sound of rap and hip hop. He is one of the most important people in the history of the rap genre. If you haven't contributed anything near the magnitude that Rick has then you don't have the right to tell him NOTHING! He is one of the GOATS of rap music legitimately. Just the way he started and how he made the right moves to turn nothing into the most legendary rap label of all time speaks volumes.
Guy at the end had it right. The old heads get it but the young guys are disrespecting because they're too busy trying to be woke. A lot of younger people in black culture have figured out that as long as you're super pro black you can get away with anything and you won't get cancelled, even things you would have been crucified for previously
Lil nas x old town road was took of the country board and wasn't country until Billy Ray Cyrus was on the remix. People who don't understand what I'm saying won't understand Mouse. They literally said he wasn't country or made a country song until a white man got on it. I don't agree with mouse all the way but I all the understand his position.
That's a little different, he was still a rapper...so it's a little weird to consider that song more than a musical experiment. Darius Rucker is one of the biggest and most profitable country singers in the entire genre and he is black and isn't fly by night. I still think what you are saying is complete bullshit and looking for problems where there are none. Lil Nas X coming into country is like Kid Rock being considered a fucking rapper, gimme a break. Billy Ray Cyrus added the same street cred that someone like Vanilla Ice would have needed back in the day...it's kind of like that, it needed a stamp of approval because he's crossing over from a COMPLETELY different and opposite genre and people had no motivation to buy it other than confusion.
@@NKWTI the song had a country candace. The song had a country tone. The song only had 808s. Florida Georgia borderline had 808 Even with a rapper Nelly it was still considered country. But it's cool I don't expect you to understand. It was entered in the country chart took off and got back in when Billy Ray Cyrus got on it that's a fact. Billy Ray Cyrus a legend his self disagree with it and on a interview voice his opinion how that's messed up. Lil Nas X isn't considered a rapper at all. A pop artist. That's like saying Post Malone is a rapper and he's not. If a rapper made a pop song it'll be on the pop chart. Justin bieber a pop artist had a complaint about his album was RnB and not pop because of the drums and all that was applied on the album. The tone and all. I can give you Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many Artist white and black. At the end of the day we can agree to disagree on this. You gave him the label of rapper and that's a problem. We have Rockstars on rap beats now. So what you going to pick and choose who a rockstar and who's not. Da baby is literally now considered as a pop artist. Like bruh I can make this make sense and actually have facts instead of using mouse personal beef. Even in my last post I said I don't agree all the way with mouse but I understand.
@@NKWTI that's not fair to say someone needs an approval of stamp when post malone started as a country artist. Then he got big from being a rapper. He didn't need a stamp. The mass didn't know he was a country artist wearing daisy dukes until someone got upset with him not showing appreciation of the culture. Approval of stamp. That's like Beastie boys. Beastie boys was rappers in people eyes. When they drop no sleep till Brooklyn that's rock and didn't need a stamp. When they drop sabotage they didn't need a stamp. I don't want to hear that shit. Black people created country when we were slaves and guess what we lost that shit..the country music was used to communicate. The negro hymns spiritual wasn't a gospel thing and that's the miseducation of it. It's so many ways I can decode this. Talking about a stamp. Brooooooo🤦🏿♂️.
@@NKWTI I change my mind I'm not done. I want smoke on this one. Tyler the Creator made a pop album and they put him in the "Urban" category. Album wasn't hip hop or RnB very pop ish and yet prevented it.. I have many more artists. Will I am. They trying to discredit his music for black people and etc because it had pop ish tunes. When black eye peas was on his hop songs but until Fergie got in the group which they replaced a black woman for Fergie they Was considered poo. Another artist Pink. She was a RNB singer but now she's considered and she used the culture and disrespected it. I'm 28 but I can give Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many artists and so many situations that I can make old and you people realize some things. Pop was started from black people also. The whole do woop go go music, disco, swinging music shit maaaaaaaaaaaan it's a whole history about stuff I can use
Mouse is not a founder. He's a contributor. He's an ancestor of the founders, and he wants to use that fact to keep it to himself. Being an ancestor of a founder is not the same as being a founder.
Redman and KRS-One won't get their flowers until he's dead but Em got his. That's not fair. Mouse is defensive and one track minded but I can understand everyone point of view
You keep saying this, I have LITERALLY never seen anyone not give KRS or Redman flowers and love. I don't get why you are saying. KRS just dropped a record and received a ton of love
@@kkichgo Exactly. Redman and KRS1 and others deserve and do get flowers all the time. They are forever Top knotch and that can't be taken from them. And Em getting his dues is not tearing them or their status down in any way.
They trash who tf is listening to them yall be saying rappers that no black people ever listen to like you proving a point 🤣🤣🤣 ain't nobody trying to here necro and Ill bill 🤣🤣🤣
So I got a question. If it’s common knowledge that the roots of being human “Starts in Africa” which means we all have a piece of that history in our DNA... Would any of you go in a room face to face full of people from all colors and walks of life and tell them that “All modern Black African descendent with black skin decide who is a part of humanity??? Because as far as I’m concerned as soon as we we’re born we we’re given the right to be a human which was given to us by our ancestors blood not their mouth’s....
All of these conversations seem based on the commercial side of hip hop and not the culture itself at a base level. Also where do our brown brothers fit in the mix as they also played a part in the creation of the culture itself?? ☝🏽❤️
Mouse is more toxic than any Karen. He's crossed so many lines, someone needs to stop him before it's too late.
God bless 9th Wonder.
Mannn STFU.
@@melanatedj9660 you sound stupid asf
Still looking for a single line of a verse he has written.
Being hip hop n being hood are two different things fr
FACTS...
Yup!!!! Hip-hop Nerds are still cannon.
I'm not hood at all but have no problem understanding this. It's not really a difficult concept.
Exactly!
The man said it himself: "they're taking up space" he meant _his_ space and this is a weak attempt to ladder-climb in the culture by tearing someone else down. None of these arguments are new, we were having them in the 90s, and nobody agreed then either. People agreed that hip hop needed to be controlled by people close to its roots, and it's done a good job so far- again, this is just some people pissed off at their position.
Clubhouse is founded by two white peoples. Should we debate Do BLACK people belong in Clubhouse ??
Guess they better step lightly and realize they are receiving a privilege.
yea thats why this argument is so weird lol. We can literally use their logic based on what race a person was that created something and say no one else is allowed to partake in it or use something
@@philly289 I agree that the argument is flimsy af, but I think trying to pull analogies to other things is hard here because it disregards the important historical context of Hip-Hop being something that arose kind of as a way of fighting against Black oppression and inequality and as a way to give a voice people rendered voiceless by said oppression and inequality. Clubhouse isn't like that obviously, that's just people with the means to create a platform creating one; there's no other part to it. An accurate analogy would require capturing that context somehow, which I think is harder than it sounds.
@@fastmovingvolcanomatter hip hop was not a protest initially but a party. Listen to the early MC’s? Something to provide an escape for Black and Latino residents in the Bronx. The protest element was only part and came later. If protecting that is the issue then songs today don’t often reflect that either. Policing art is not a pathway to anything good. Even country music, is an amalgamation of British, Irish and French folk music brought to the US with African rhythmic influences. A lot of folk does have its roots in protest, suffering etc. Who gate-keeps that? A better example is these guys feel that the exclusion of Black people in society entitles them to gate-keep this regardless of the persons contribution. Apparently Mouse wants to hold the keys.
@@fastmovingvolcanomatter i may agree with your logic because i do see truth in it but again did black people invented the tools they used to create music. Did they develop and design the apps they produce music with or the platforms they sell their music in. So to claim white people don't belong is a delusional concept that only exist in a persons mind and not founded on reality
Does anyone know what Mouse has done for hip hop lmao?
Exactly, Never Even Heard Of This Bum Ass Nigga
For anyone who doesn't know I was in the same boat as you when I heard mouse 🐁 talking down on Eminem earlier this week, apparently his a puff daddy affiliate but I'm not sure what he has ever done for Hip-Hop.
NOTHING!! FCUK THAT NIGGA. HE DON'T RAP, PRODUCE, ENGINEER. NOTHING. HE A FCUKIN IDIOT
who
I didn't know who he was till I heard this shit. Mouse Jones? Is his name
Everlast, Ill Bill, Necro, Vinnie Paz, Ra the Rugged Man, Action Bronson, Copywrite, Cage, Remedy, Mr. Eon and the list goes on and on.
I think Mouse only know Eminem and Vanilla Ice.
Sometimes its only a problem if they are more succesful than you. Thats when the hating starts
Are producers like Alchemist And Statik Skeletah going to get stigma from this too?
EL-P
@@Cat_90S facts
@@Cat_90S Thank you so much for your music, it has opened gateways for me to grow as a human exponentially, I'v always considered you the greatest not in terms of ability(while that is arguable) but in terms of embodying hip hop, in the form of giving voices to those without one, and words of wisdom to those who otherwise wouldn't recieve it. So thank you so much for what you have given not only me but millions of people around the world.
They had nothing for 9th Wonder... he really schooled them
Time stamp?
@@floralkami2860 at 23:48 9th Wonder was on point with this topic.
@@floralkami2860 23:50
could you possibly give a time stamp roughly for 9th wonder? I want to watch this but it's messing with my mind.
@@nicholasclark3519 9th Wonder comes in at 23:48
That Mouse clown just wants an excuse for his opinion to matter when clearly he isn’t a reliable source on hip hop music. Plain simple
He sounds more obsessed with being heard than actually having logical points.
Yup, get mickey outta here!!!
I can’t ever catch him in time, I wanna get on the stage with him ... he’s ducking on Twitter
@@NextMJ2 yall realized once mlk got taken down by a racist all that I have a dream shyt went out the window when he was on his death bed right? Smdh all skin folk ain't kin folk
@@Black_Jus202 Did you get that deathbed confession shit from a 3rd hand conspiracy site?
These videos be making me lose some respect for Los, I’m starting to think he may just be another fake woke after all...
ive lost respect for most of these ppl
Facts
🤣 white people big mad we don't listen to Em 🤣🤣
@@Black_Jus202 smh i hope this isnt just blaze the real guy cuz that comment was insensitive and stupid as fuck ive heard him speak so this cant be you
@@hexagonoctogon3140 its a RUclips alias are you slow? We don't listen to him get over it, not one time have I even heard Eminem played at a club a party a kickback a cookout ever in my entire 34 years on earth we don't listen to white rappers, I haven't heard him played in somebody's car since I was in high-school when the Eminem show was out he is a good rapper and lyricist but the black community is not listening to his music he sells what he sells because white America is his consumer if yall supported Royce they way yall support Eminem We wouldn't be having this conversation
This whole conversation was just racist fr
Serch apologized cause they were being crybabies ... he wasn’t wrong in anything he said
Facts these guys are clowns. Mouse should not be allowed in any of these conversations he's just blatantly racist.
At the end of the day he don't know about oppression for 400 years
@@yahchaazawan6604 Neither do the other guys
@@SICKO1337 who's getting shot by COPS?
@@yahchaazawan6604 Hes Jewiah, bro. He knows about oppression for 2,000 years! 😂😂😂
Anyone else see the irony of privileged black rappers talking about white privilege to their unprivileged white fans? Lol
LMFAO 😂😂‼️
You tell em bruh👊😎
Do white people belong to hiphop is like asking do black people belong to basket ball.. what a stupid arguemnent!
If white people stopped spending money and stopped listening to hiphop far part as iTunes, Spotify etc.. be a different conversation, white people can purchase the music but cant be apart. Look it up 70% of people who listen to hiphop is white. But white people dont belong. This whole thing just seems really racists to me. IMO
@Eighty Baby I think u need to do a little more home work on your numbers.
@Eighty Baby even so, people like carti, travis, and juiceworld would not be making as much or be as famous as they are if they only had strictly American African fans. If we’re gonna completely gatekeep hip-hop to only American Blacks. Since only American Blacks know the specific struggle that hip-hop stems from. Hip-hop couldn’t be mainstream, it couldn’t be worldwide.
@Eighty Baby bro you trippin. Been white buying 70% of music since the 90s. Think about it. Fuck it make basketball a white thing then and see how they like the conversation 🤷🏽♂️
@Eighty Baby You're lying to yourself, but aiight. Where do you think that 50k was made from in the market to even have on hand? You actually think they'd continue to be able to spare that amount to pay Boosie if a large part of the market just decided to drop out? Learn chain reactions and economics. White people all over the world will stop buying merch and going to shows. You are actually that delusional that you think a majority of money wouldn't be lost if not a single white person continued taking part in the culture? How can you be this dumb? All the shit you mentioned...whether other countries or concerts...still include white people. WTF are you even talking about? Everything would be cut down by AT LEAST 50% if white people stopped consuming and understood that they were no longer welcomed.
Mouse said Country came from black people and he right, but they don't wanna talk about it because white people took that genre over. They just scared white people finna take hip-hop. They just Scurrred.
13:09 Mouse said that white people can defend themselves, but he kept interrupting Serch when Mc was talking. He contradicting himself. This is hard to listen to.
So they have a knack for takeover other peoples stuff
@@bradthomas7431 naw if they took over. That means they just better in that area my guy
Hip-hop should be like anything that is competitive, the best wins, that simple.
@@kanadamann Obviously thinking is not a big part of your life. Take over like jazz got worse took over rock and roll got worse.....Even hockey got worse.. If the pattern continues black people have every right to feel like that. Its like Em fans are a subdivision in the culture youknow there there but they dont matter to the culture.
@Bubba Lubba No they didnt even the banjo comes from Africa. Its a long list of claiming stuff thats not theres and given the people before them no credit.
What happens if white people spend no money in hip hop ?
No chain no girls no car just Mumble!☠️
so are all the white consumers allowed? lol. Anyone can make a song and put it out on youtube and if people like the music there is nothing these racist haters like mouse can do about it...i understand the part about keeping the culture authentic but the best part about hip hop to me was it brings people from all different walks of lives together cause all have a common love for the music.
exactly bruh, if no non-black people can partake and add to the culture then they why would they listen and spend their money on it.
We'll still be considered racist for not being willing to take part in that. Basically, people with opinions like this expect you to understand and come to terms with the fact that you're trash for being a certain color/race and still be willing to buy their shit so they can live off of it because we owe blacks..."and you're going to fucking like it too." This is what far left democrats have become.
Lol exactly
When Dj Toomp called out the fact that the people questioning stuff “are of a certain age bracket” people was like:
Wait a minute...
And i think that says something.
Plus when 9th Wonder spoke, people who really looking at the big picture was on board.
This discussion needs some other hip hop figures and icons who can speak to the early foundations to really paint the full picture. Because having the millennial perspective ain’t enough and we can see that because of how much friction is in the room. Real recognize real and Mouse and a few others trying real hard to get away from that form of respect, they trying to dictate how other should feel or see things.
Krs needs to come on this shit.
Straight up!
Argue with that man, see how far you get. Fucking cornballs.
KRS 1 is the corniest cornball.
@@americaworks4202 Your username is America Works lol, you have no leg to stand on in this conversation here.
Caught that too. The younger gen seems to have a more divisive mindset. Why is that?
9th wonder schooled they ass REAL QUICK. I don’t know folks be tryna question him. Aside from him being a legendary producer, He’s really a hip hop historian!!! So when he speak, folks need to LISTEN 💯💯
I'll never understand someone claiming any credit for something that someone else who just happened to be a similar skin tone accomplished/created. It just seems like such a weak mind state. You don't deserve credit for things that YOU didn't do.
Imagine if Immortal Technique was there.
Exactly!! Straight Hip Hop!! To the fullest... To his core!!! Yet they would say he a mothafuckin guest... Fuck OUTTA here!!!
Immortal tech is white? Lol
@@americaworks4202 LoL No, but he aint blavk either. And from what they Saying, it seems all encompassing that anyone that aint black is just a guest.
@@Rellj16 he is afro Latino from Harlem Latinos are not guests in hip hop non blacks and Latinos are
@@Black_Jus202 Not from what they sayin. And even that take is no good. Everyone other than black and Latino people... That's the same BS take as that Mouse clown is saying. But I still think he would say Latinos are also guests. Cause they not black either.
A lot of racism here
HIP-HOP IS NOT BLACK CULTURE. Hip-Hop is a culture of it's own and is a PRODUCT OF Black culture. Soul food is Black culture. B-Boying is Hip-Hop. Roots, Good Times, Love & Basketball, The Wood, etc. Is Black culture. Rapping, taggin/bombing/Graffiti, is hip-hop. Yes the CULTURE of Hip-Hop is predominantly Black, it was FOUNDED by us and we mostly took part in it, and built it up, but to talk it as if we're the ONLY ones who helped make it what it is, is against the basic principles of Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop is not on you, it's in you. It's all about unity at the root of it all.
"I'm here to inspire young people to be a part of the most magnificent culture on earth: hip-hop."
- KRS-One
Lol y’all arguing with 9th wonder on what’s hip-hop... ok then. 😂
@@KA-yk7cz if you dont know, thats just crazy.
@@KA-yk7cz depending on your definition of authority i guess. Whos your hip hop authority? Then we get clarity
@@KA-yk7cz so you think black people are guests in Basketball?
@@KA-yk7cz you are limited in your thinking. You know a white, English guy invented this. Do I get to call you a guest on the internet too?
@@KA-yk7cz so a bunch of dead people? I was born in 85 and I'm 35
Man we need Royce in these chats
There's a level of this he'd agree with, I'm pretty sure.
@@blueisacolor7639 Dave of the source ain't white
@@vondiasufracara3524 what is he?
Only for Royce to get called a caping Stephen?...'cus you know they would. Royce is highly respected but if it suits their agenda, they'll chip away at him over time too. He's made his thoughts known already - he holds a stance where it's black culture and black should back black, but if white is authentically good people and allies to the culture then that's how it is. Basically white people have to earn their spot, but when they do, that should be respected.
They purposely left him out. 😂😂
Some of these conversations really be pissin me off...Hip Hop was founded by us black folks, yes, for sure. 100%! But it has evolved to be very inclusive and allows all races to influence it and have a serious place within it.
WHEW!!! Leave it to 9th to drop straight GEMS.
All of this is purely because Eminem is at the top of the game. If he wasn't, this wasn't even gonna be a discussion...period...This is really sad...The same people that were fighting for equality are now fighting for divide. Music is supposed to bring people together not tare them apart...Michael Jackson is a perfect example...his music made people see no color.
Thank 9th Wonder And Kay Slay!!!
Chace is definitely a father to hip hop. Because the spiritual guiders were 5%. They understood hip hop was a bottom up thing. Yes you get the white man aint shit ones. But im from NYC and hip hop was made by Jamaicans, Cubans and Puerto Ricans. It was never a black art form. It was a poor art form to make you be happy no matter where you from.
Hip hop was not started by puerto ricans and cubans....jamaican toasting is an element of hip hop..but hip hop was and is and dominated mainly by black ppl and is a black form..where are you getting your info from...its well documented wtf..
I respect what Kayslay said and it makes me think. He mentioned how Black men have screwed him over and i think that brings up a good point.. It aint about skin color... it should be you only want GOOD people WHO RESPECT HIP HOP to be in hip hop... As a white man, i've never seen another white man and said ima help him cuz he's white or never saw a white man and thought he gonna help me cuz i'm white.. I align myself with people I trust, regardless of color... Hip Hop should only want people good for hip hop in, regardless what color they are..
Just a bunch of crybabies.
And you cant be a visitor of hip hop if your a pillar in hip hop lmfao
Exactly! But the problem with 90% of the people in this Chattyhouse convo shit is that they don't believe a person can be a pillar if they white. And with that, are they Saying that Big Pun and Fat Joe etc are also not pillars because they not black?? If so, they need to GTFOH.
@@Rellj16 i gwt wat u sayin but bad comparison , Puerto Rican’s r hip hop , shout out the Bronx
@@user-mb6nf9wt3k But they didnt say that... They sayin only black. And dont gey me wrong, it was created by black folks but, anyone can be a pillar. They didn't include Latino people in that conversation which is why I bring it up. Their arguement I don't agree with.
Genius has no color and adds to every culture, to restrict art and creativity bc of race is irresponsible and sad, its 2021, lets open our hearts to everybody that have skill and talent regardless of color or race, and love one another...one love, music = universal language.
Thank you I very much appreciate this!!
Our genius is the only genius that is white washed and stolen and manufactured for profit we only see a minimal percentage of. You like black music but don't understand black people these so called black people capeing for yall are lost suffering from centuries of white oppression smh
@@Black_Jus202 creating more seperation isn't the answer, if you want something to improve, it will not improve by promoting seperation, unity on the otherhand, yes, when we stick together we can overcome anything...2021 can be the year we start changing old paradigms that no longer serve us, or whoever, through connection and unity, lets start to tell a different story so a different outcome can be achieved. We experience in life what we think and talk about and believe, if we start thinking/talking about things differently, we can change our beliefs in turn, changing the outcome. We can not solve a problem with the same seperation mindset that created them...one love, thats all, take away our skin, we're the same underneath. Lets start telling a different story, creating a different world. Peace
@@thedopamineshop8831 your replies tell me you are not familiar with the black American experience or history stop speaking on issues you have zero knowledge of. If was as easy as you say peace would be an after thought and we would not be having this conversation the fact is very few things have changed for blacks yall look at entertainers as where we want to be as a community we want our kids to do productive things with there life's not sports or entertainment, but the only time we get credit is sports and entertainment black people are more complex than just rapping and dribbling a basketball but we don't get that credit we are 400 years behind in education. We were killed as far back as the early 1900s for being able to read and write stop it you can't relate stop it educate your self on our struggle
@@thedopamineshop8831 m.ruclips.net/video/9FVEP5DTGMk/видео.html
Sorry, but you do take on your children's trauma. Anybody that can't see that is a cold-hearted sociopath
Not to mention he's Jewish. So if we're talking about ancestral oppression......Serch said absolutely nothing wrong.
1) Who TF is Mouse ???!!!!
2) what have he ever done dat was HIPHOP ??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last time i remember, the founders of hip hop went on record saying hip hop was created to bring everyone together, and all I hear on these app chats is black people saying everything needs to be separated! This shit is just wrong!
We didn't invent football,baseball,basketball,boxing or many other things and we aren't guest in them according to popular belief ....certain black people are considered the best at all of them arguably and I don't hear anyone complaining or saying we are guest....this is a excuse to be a bigot.
💯, been thinking this & waiting for this comment on all 3 vids now I finally see it & I didn’t have to do it .. appreciate it 🙏🏾
@@josheasy6716 salute
Hip hop fans. Should decide who is worthy. Not bitter racist people. The fans.
Mouse just compared Hip Hop culture to the holocaust.....this dude wilding 🤣
Los was referring to Black music in its totality, 9th and Serch were referring to Hip Hop culture and the musical genre in itself.white ppl are visitors in Black music,but in Hip Hop some of them played integral parts to Hip Hop's foundation.
Big ups to 9th for keepin it 💯
Thank You DJ Kayslay
To follow this logic...you would have to conclude that 69 belongs in hip hop more than Em...or Lil Pump has more ownership over the culture than Rick Rubin...these are the positions you end up taken when you make things about race rather than meritocracy. Exactly the idea that us as black people have been fighting to tear down in America for centuries.
9th saved that got damn convo
Mouse back tracks. And sounds insecure as a person. And delusional thinking he someone who matters.
15:38 Oooh Karen was talking about that Yes Julz interview with Murda Mook, where Julz disrepected her and none of the guys said anything, I remember this interview was wild
Why does color still stand out for y’all? Can’t y’all just be grateful that hiphop culture is bigger than ever. This music helped me drift away from my negativity, it makes me feel empowered, I felt like I wasn’t the only one with the struggle and let me tell you rn I’m ASIAN. For those who are saying that any race aside from black people are culture vultures then you must be the vulture cuz you can’t stomach the individuals who are actually doing something for the culture and y’all just jealous cuz you’re not doing well enough to get the same amount of dough and attention like your so-called “Vulture Culture”. Y’all want to end discrimination but you do it too. Smh
It's like Mouse and some of the others WANT someone to go off balance and say some shit he's gonna regret later.
I have never seen someone speak so overtly racist online KNOWING that this call can be recorded and uploaded somewhere. He either really wants to stir the pot and get a reaction or he genuinely believes what he says. Either case, it's bad.
Hip hop was supposed to be the one thing that United everyone. This is such a silly debate, this debate is the the equivalent of, “immigrants are taking all of our jobs.” Just not true.
I respect 9th to the utmost, I revere his knowledge and his place in hip hop culture and history. And I have to say, I passionately support what the younger members of this conversation are saying and offering. Hip Hop is indigenous to Black people. Black Americans have never been able to say publicly that any of their traditions and cultural components are theirs, never been allowed to claim them, while White America takes whatever we want for ourselves. It's cultural violence and terrorism, plain and simple. White people like Rick Rubin have made significant contributions to the culture, but I don't think it's disrespectful to say he's just a contributor. There's honor in contributing. It's still recognition. And hip hop, being indigenous to Black people, should be claimed as theirs. It's high time that their entitlement to claim what's theirs be supported and recognized. Yes, we're all human, but our humanity isn't diminished, and we're not being deprived of something by being told we don't belong. Not every human belongs to every culture. There's nothing wrong with being honest about that simple truth at all, and it's shameful that White people would respond to such a truth being spoken with feelings of being offended. All that does is expose how fragile our sense of cultural identities and our sense of self is. And it is fragile. I, for one, feel honored that the younger members of this conversation, while bravely claiming hip hop is theirs, opening themselves up to being attacked from numerous sides by doing so, are generous enough to allow us a place in hip hop to participate and contribute. I'm sure a lot of folks will offer some backlash toward me for saying that. So be it. The truth is that after everything that's been looted from Black Americans by White Americans over so many generations, and after all the ways they and their ancestors have been terrorized, allowing us a place to participate and contribute IS enormously generous.
Thank You for being extremely emotional intelligent on this subject even when some of my ppl on this video wasn't.
I can't believe this is even a thing... 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
9th came in and killed shit thank you 9th ur a blessing
Notice how the vast majority of hip hop artists don't say this. Because they are focused on the ART. Art imitates the street if anything, not the other way around.
So what was the definition they used for "belong" again?
"You belong if you don't belong but if you don't belong than you belong"
@@sershyguyofthemushrooms9880 hahahahaha......this right here is my comment of the day...niggaz in their feelings..
Being black apparently.
The fact that mouse...or even King Los who I've lost a ton of respect for....think they can dictate to 9th Wonder or even Mc Search about hip hop is crazy to me...from mouse a dude who has never wrote a bar or made a beat...he can dictate to Mc Search about hip hop because he has more melanin????? Wild to me.
Does Tiger Woods belong in golf?? Can you imagine if an old golf legend was DEFIANTLY telling Tiger Woods to always REMEMBER that he is a "guest" in the sport of golf??
I feel like anybody who can compete and contribute belongs there
17:30 kay slay telling the truth
Serch should never have apologized. That was weak. He said nothing wrong. And hes more a part of hip hop than mouse, whoever tf that is.
That fucking line comparing the Judaism to hip hop culture is sooo crazy smh wtf Mouse
The disappointing thing about this is that this has ZERO relevance to art or race relations. A world where people do what they want and we base it on if they good or not then none of this shit should matter. If we don't' want to fuck with the majors we can become the majors. Be the change we want to see.
Here's my thing, we in a time now where young black artists, don't even respect the legends that paved the way for them to be here. So y speak on something so small, cuz music is supposed to be for everybody. If u have the respect, knowledge, n want to hone your craft as a lyricist n be in hip hop then it should not matter what color u r! This hip hop thing is global ya dig!!!
word! lol
This kinda reminds me of the New York perspective on hip hop. Because it started there they're the only ones that can say what's acceptable and what is now. Not looking at the fact that hip hop is an ever changing ever evolving thing. It went from the Bronx to Bangkok. Some it's multi cultural now. And that's a beautiful thing. Peace love unity and having fun is bigger than racial division. Anything thing that God gives is meant to be a blessing for all no matter who he inspired to push it through. Ijs
Eminem is the beat rapper alive and they hating cuz he’s white point black and period game over
Serch was signed to Def Jam, Toured with Public Enemy, and was at the Union Square Ballroom & The LQ back when Hiphop was just expanding outside of the Neighborhoods in NYC. Who the HELL is Mouse??
True racism right here it's sad smh
Just say you wanna be white
Why justina always there just silent there literally talking about her through this whole video 😂😂😂
She's a fucking wannabe. I went to school/graduated with her cousin. I honestly don't find any authenticity in anything she does.
9th Wonder came with facts!
3:56 _"And when I say niggas, I mean white folks"_ The potential for a spoof in these clips... SNL, get on the case
Eversince 9th Wonder did that ish not shouting out Nas for Grammy nomination. Im salty about him. I can't take him seriously anymore.
wasnt boxing a ancient greek sport do we get to say mike tyson ali, foreman, dont belong in boxings history books because black people wasnt the originators of boxing?? as shit as the sport is do we get to discredit tiger woods for being the goat of golf or is it only a white boy in hiphop thing and the same rules dont apply to anything else??? do you know how shit this planet would be if every race stuck to the thing they created we wouldnt have any michael jordons, lebrons, Kobe's, iron mikes george foreman, ali, we wouldnt have had big pun everybody we grew up idolising wouldnt excist if every race stuck to what they created
“Some skinfolk ain’t kinfolk.”
THANK YOU 9TH...THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
I get what they trying to do but c'mon son, how is this dude Mouse dictating who the culture belongs to, like I get that it's bigger than music but saying that white folks don't belong is wild.
Hip-Hop belongs to the people not just black folks.
Besides how do you say you came from Hip-Hop if your pops ain't a MC, you not from it.
If you talk about the struggle, that's fine, but you must acknowledge that there are white people on that struggle too.
What I really get from this conversation is that they want more empowerment for black folks and that's dope, but you talking about kicking a man from Rap like it's a boys club is just disingenuous and destructive.
If you don't like Em songs don't listen to them, but don't say that you personal taste is all of Hip-Hop.
Shit I grew up on hip hop. If i'm not allowed to comment on it let me get my dollars back. I'm just as invested in this culture as the next. I have followed this since the 90's. To dictate someone can't belong to something is the definition of racist. Should African Americans not be allowed in football, basketball or baseball.. all funded by majority white males? Should Tiger Woods not play golf? Should Black men not date white women? Should White men not date black women? If I bump reasonable doubt in my house, and you bump it in the streets, how is that different in culture? Should Obama not be allowed to be president cause the majority in the states is white? This is all trash bro. Racism is racism no matter what box you put it in and how you wrap it. We are all in this life together, cultures rub off on other cultures. We are not like China, or Russia, or whatever. This is America. We have a mixed pot. Just because people want to segregate themselves, which is fine, doesn't mean they dictate how others live their lives.
Most racist conversation I ever heard in my life and I live in the country
How can Rick Ruben be just a visitor when if it wasn't for him rap music could have died right after the first stage. Rick is responsible for bringing in artists of a new era of rap music. His vision and ear brought in rappers with new styles and he produced music that was a new sound that evolved the sound of rap and hip hop. He is one of the most important people in the history of the rap genre. If you haven't contributed anything near the magnitude that Rick has then you don't have the right to tell him NOTHING! He is one of the GOATS of rap music legitimately. Just the way he started and how he made the right moves to turn nothing into the most legendary rap label of all time speaks volumes.
The positive way of seeing this guest shit is this by Calicoe who's an Eminem fan: "When certain people bring you in, you invited."
You don't want white people to speak on you, but you speaking for the godfathers of rap? How that work?
They say rap music makes people look at us in a bad light. My question is how did they look at us before that.
Can we get mouse out of the chat, just want to see a conversation with people who matter have an intelligent convo
Oh boy this subject again
SteveO was 100% CORRECT and if you don't understand what he's saying that's on you.
Apathy just chilling
Real Jews is black stop saying Jews is white
These people are so lost. I'm bout to give up on hip hop if these are the minds behind it.
Guy at the end had it right. The old heads get it but the young guys are disrespecting because they're too busy trying to be woke.
A lot of younger people in black culture have figured out that as long as you're super pro black you can get away with anything and you won't get cancelled, even things you would have been crucified for previously
If you not a hip hop artist you got no business saying who belongs in hip hop
Mouse Jones needs to get trolled and David Mayes is irrelevant anyway.
Where can I find this or what app is this is called
Lil nas x old town road was took of the country board and wasn't country until Billy Ray Cyrus was on the remix. People who don't understand what I'm saying won't understand Mouse. They literally said he wasn't country or made a country song until a white man got on it. I don't agree with mouse all the way but I all the understand his position.
That's a little different, he was still a rapper...so it's a little weird to consider that song more than a musical experiment. Darius Rucker is one of the biggest and most profitable country singers in the entire genre and he is black and isn't fly by night. I still think what you are saying is complete bullshit and looking for problems where there are none. Lil Nas X coming into country is like Kid Rock being considered a fucking rapper, gimme a break. Billy Ray Cyrus added the same street cred that someone like Vanilla Ice would have needed back in the day...it's kind of like that, it needed a stamp of approval because he's crossing over from a COMPLETELY different and opposite genre and people had no motivation to buy it other than confusion.
@@NKWTI the song had a country candace. The song had a country tone. The song only had 808s. Florida Georgia borderline had 808 Even with a rapper Nelly it was still considered country. But it's cool I don't expect you to understand. It was entered in the country chart took off and got back in when Billy Ray Cyrus got on it that's a fact. Billy Ray Cyrus a legend his self disagree with it and on a interview voice his opinion how that's messed up. Lil Nas X isn't considered a rapper at all. A pop artist. That's like saying Post Malone is a rapper and he's not. If a rapper made a pop song it'll be on the pop chart. Justin bieber a pop artist had a complaint about his album was RnB and not pop because of the drums and all that was applied on the album. The tone and all. I can give you Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many Artist white and black. At the end of the day we can agree to disagree on this. You gave him the label of rapper and that's a problem. We have Rockstars on rap beats now. So what you going to pick and choose who a rockstar and who's not. Da baby is literally now considered as a pop artist. Like bruh I can make this make sense and actually have facts instead of using mouse personal beef. Even in my last post I said I don't agree all the way with mouse but I understand.
@@NKWTI that's not fair to say someone needs an approval of stamp when post malone started as a country artist. Then he got big from being a rapper. He didn't need a stamp. The mass didn't know he was a country artist wearing daisy dukes until someone got upset with him not showing appreciation of the culture. Approval of stamp. That's like Beastie boys. Beastie boys was rappers in people eyes. When they drop no sleep till Brooklyn that's rock and didn't need a stamp. When they drop sabotage they didn't need a stamp. I don't want to hear that shit. Black people created country when we were slaves and guess what we lost that shit..the country music was used to communicate. The negro hymns spiritual wasn't a gospel thing and that's the miseducation of it. It's so many ways I can decode this. Talking about a stamp. Brooooooo🤦🏿♂️.
@@NKWTI I change my mind I'm not done. I want smoke on this one. Tyler the Creator made a pop album and they put him in the "Urban" category. Album wasn't hip hop or RnB very pop ish and yet prevented it.. I have many more artists. Will I am. They trying to discredit his music for black people and etc because it had pop ish tunes. When black eye peas was on his hop songs but until Fergie got in the group which they replaced a black woman for Fergie they Was considered poo. Another artist Pink. She was a RNB singer but now she's considered and she used the culture and disrespected it. I'm 28 but I can give Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many artists and so many situations that I can make old and you people realize some things. Pop was started from black people also. The whole do woop go go music, disco, swinging music shit maaaaaaaaaaaan it's a whole history about stuff I can use
You still think Nas X is country?
Right so let’s just forget that white people were integral in bringing us legends like LL and Nas. What a bunch of clowns.
Who is mouse?
He’s a clown that’s apparently affiliated with diddy and charlamagne.
@@TheShape287 oh never heard of him
Mouse is not a founder. He's a contributor. He's an ancestor of the founders, and he wants to use that fact to keep it to himself. Being an ancestor of a founder is not the same as being a founder.
Redman and KRS-One won't get their flowers until he's dead but Em got his. That's not fair. Mouse is defensive and one track minded but I can understand everyone point of view
You keep saying this, I have LITERALLY never seen anyone not give KRS or Redman flowers and love. I don't get why you are saying. KRS just dropped a record and received a ton of love
@@kkichgo Exactly. Redman and KRS1 and others deserve and do get flowers all the time. They are forever Top knotch and that can't be taken from them. And Em getting his dues is not tearing them or their status down in any way.
I see Justina on the list, that woman can freestyle frfr, is that a problem????
Can she?
@@korruptnovellst4751 yes she can
@@cryticalgamyng40 I just checked it. She can freestyle but she corny
@@korruptnovellst4751 ur opinion
She shoulda freestyled all over this conversation. At least it'd make me feel like I didn't just waste my time listening to ignorance 😒
All this talk about Black and White, I'm ashamed you still call yourself crayon colors. What's your nationality??
I don’t think they need to be in Hip-Hop
Who is that Mouse dude, what is his contribution to Hip Hop? Go and tell Necro or Ill Bill that they didn't belong to Hip Hop.
They trash who tf is listening to them yall be saying rappers that no black people ever listen to like you proving a point 🤣🤣🤣 ain't nobody trying to here necro and Ill bill 🤣🤣🤣
So I got a question.
If it’s common knowledge that the roots of being human “Starts in Africa” which means we all have a piece of that history in our DNA...
Would any of you go in a room face to face full of people from all colors and walks of life and tell them that “All modern Black African descendent with black skin decide who is a part of humanity???
Because as far as I’m concerned as soon as we we’re born we we’re given the right to be a human which was given to us by our ancestors blood not their mouth’s....
If the pioneers are not in this conversation than it's not VALID!
Before Martin Luther King what white person stood up for us
These old folks crazy first it was autotune rapper then mumble rappers now white rappers smh
Music is music
All of these conversations seem based on the commercial side of hip hop and not the culture itself at a base level. Also where do our brown brothers fit in the mix as they also played a part in the creation of the culture itself?? ☝🏽❤️
Rap was created by black folks