This is easily one of Costner's best performances. And in general he is much better in roles where he is more vulnerable than in roles where he is the hero, a tough guy, or cool leader. In most of those he just comes across as pretty much the same corporate VP, but in a different wardrobe.
This movie had one of the funniest cinema occurances for me ever. When we find out that Sean Young's character in the movie sleeps with both Costner and Hackman, packed theater about 1000 people there, a guy in the balcony blurts out "What a damn hoe, this really pisses me off!" and the entire thater bursts out laughing :D
Never heard of the movie till seeing the title of this pod. Just finished watching it, and yeah that's a great twist. Definitely going to rewatch this soon knowing the ending. And holy smokes Sean Young was a 10.
15:16 That whole "Costner in '87" debate where an unknown guy comes out in a role and then fires off...surprised they didn't mention their boy (and ours, don't get me wrong) Glen Powell. Top Gun Maverick in 2022, which later leads to Anyone but You in December the following year, Hit Man drops on Netflix in May, and Twisters in July. 8 months. That's probably the closest we have to Costner in '87. And 3 significantly different movies like Austin there.
I feel like Out of Time, a vastly underrated Denzel film, is very much inspired, or influenced by this film. Either way love both movies, idk what to call this sub-genre of dudes involved in some business who are accused of something and who have to solve the mystery on-the-run pursued by authorities, Frantic and Fugitive obviously good examples of it.
After True Lies the Hottest take award should be renamed to "The Bill Simmons thinks Bill Paxton could have played George Clooney in Out of Sight hottest take award"
These guys need to do Out of Time (2003) with Denzel. It’s similar to No Way Out. My mom watched it every day for a year or two, so I’d say it’s a Rewatchable.
I always thought Sean Young reminded me of Debra Winger. Both odd women that were big in the 80s, careers wained in the 90s. Both reputation for being “difficult”.
Great point, they have a similar sort of vibe too in films, No Way Out and Officer and a Gentleman both these career jumping off points for big actors, and their respective love interests. Besides Blade Runner and No Way Out I don't really know if Sean Young was that great an actress, but Debra Winger in Officer and a Gentleman, Terms of Endearment and Shadowlands was genuinely great, especially the latter is very underrated but she's excellent in it opposite Anthony Hopkins
Cross-podcast comment: on smartless Willem Defoe said great actors carry the entire weight of the movie in their facial expressions. Watch No Way Out again with this in mind. I think it might be one of the best example of this idea.
I watched this movie for the first time because of the pod. Somewhere in the middle I thought, it would be funny if Costner actually was a Russian spy. I never thought it would be the twist so I figured out the twist and was blindsided by it at the same time.
The score was absolutely terrible and really took me out of the movie during key scenes. Synth scores always date '80s movies but when it's Tangerine Dream during Thief it's a high level of musicianship. The "No Way Out" score felt like something the composer threw together in an afternoon. It's a neat twist and for sure the '90s twists owe a debt to this script. I still think the Usual Suspects and Sixth Sense twists are really shocking and mindblowing and are in a different class of screenwriting than No Way Out. I agree with Sean that the movie "Identity" has the silliest twist I can remember. I loved all the '87 versions of ''state of the art'' technology. It made the original Mission Impossible look futuristic.
Bring on the Coke Whore Pyramid!! So if Blake Lively from 'The Town' is the obvious the #1 pick, does that mean that Shine gets in at like #9 or #10 just by default??? Very strong Coke Whore genes going on with that freaking kid!! 🤣
I don't know what Sean was talking about in terms of a strip joint in Full Metal Jacket--there was no such thing in the movie, and no Filippino prostitutes, either (it's set in Vietnam). The soldiers did solicit prostitutes in FMJ, but they were outside.
great film....(esp as a kiwi...with maori haka scene :) ) but major picking nit, which bugged me even when i first saw it at the theatre.....when fatty boat-hire guy sees him in the pentagon....never bothers to say..."o yeah...he's wearing navy whites"...which would narrow suspects in building down by about 98%?
Bill’s worst take is he’s always mad at musicians for not giving their shit away for free so a movie/show can be streaming when we now know how badly musicians are screwed over in modern streaming, imagine how bad it was before. Love everything else Bill is about most times but his anti union and anti artists getting paid shit is lame.
Thanks for the spoiler. I hadn't seen this movie since 1987. So I figured why not, I had forgotten the ending. Thanks, he's a Russian, it all came flooding back. Now I ll not watch it.😢
For me, High Tension was absolutely ruined by the twist. It was so unnecessary. I honestly think without it, it would have been at least a cult classic in America and one of the best of the New French Extremity movies.
So i watched this last night for the first time and i agree with craig. The first half hour or so is pretty terrible. The camera work is bad, the "sea rescue" scene looks lile it was filmed in a bathtub, etc. Fortunately it gets much better once she dies...not a knock on sean young, but its an odd role. And i was 7 when this movie came out and i had no idea about the "twist"...brilliantly done...the last half hour makes up for the first half hour.
Also a ton of bad 80s music in that first half hour that made me want to turn it off. I prefer the Big Clock (1948) version with Ray Milland, but that's because I prefer Ray Milland to everyone in this movie minus maybe Hackman.
good movie, but I don't think it is a good twist, and you kind of answered why. it doesn't make any sense because they would have gotten him out as soon she died.
why? the whole Yuri thing was made up on the spot (yes I know they talk about it being a concern in the past but there was never any evidence of an actual Yuri, so it was a convenient cover for Brice and Pritchard). if they pulled out Costner right then it would have raised suspicions and maybe actually uncovered his espionage
I've watched movies I've never heard of because of these guys and end up really enjoying them most of the time. It's what I love about their old school taste. Expand your horizons dawg
@@mjwbulich This isn't about Bill not liking the MCU. Bill has a niche taste and there are so many great movies sitting out there that he just won't do. Refuses to do much from the 1970s when there's so much good stuff in that decade. Won't do anything before 1970. I like the pod a lot but it's been a lot of head scratchers. We need the one for us instead of nineteen for Bill.
Never heard of this movie. Sad bill simmons is like trump. Could be way kore successyof he got out of his own way. A lot of these movies arent rewatchable all. They should just rename the podcast to "movies bill likes"
But, did you enjoy the podcast? I hadn't seen this film in ages. I ended up rewatching it and loved it, although the sex scene in the cab was oddly uncomfortable 😂I like Bill's taste in movies, I even enjoy his hot takes that I disagree with. It's entertainment my friend.
@@rogerwhite4073 I know what you mean and I mostly agree with you. But it's like at some point I need Bill to give us the "one for us pod". He has just been doing a lot of his 'greatest hits' and there are still so many bangers out there that maybe he doesn't like. Take Star Wars for example. He's not a huge fan of it. Cool then let CR or Sean host that podcast and sit that one out.
You guys pick some garbage movies sometimes. As years go on as you run out stuff percentage of bad movies no one watched after they released more and more
This is easily one of Costner's best performances. And in general he is much better in roles where he is more vulnerable than in roles where he is the hero, a tough guy, or cool leader. In most of those he just comes across as pretty much the same corporate VP, but in a different wardrobe.
FINALLY. FUCKING FINALLY. ALL-TIMER.
@@moderndancingfool Absolutely!
This movie had one of the funniest cinema occurances for me ever. When we find out that Sean Young's character in the movie sleeps with both Costner and Hackman, packed theater about 1000 people there, a guy in the balcony blurts out "What a damn hoe, this really pisses me off!" and the entire thater bursts out laughing :D
Will Patton is unforgettable in this one.
Never heard of the movie till seeing the title of this pod. Just finished watching it, and yeah that's a great twist. Definitely going to rewatch this soon knowing the ending.
And holy smokes Sean Young was a 10.
In my mind, Hackman is down in New Mexico, all 94 years of him, YouTubing this daily and grinning from ear to ear.
Can we also get The Birdcage goin on this pod
Shoutout Tubi, best streaming service out there !
15:16 That whole "Costner in '87" debate where an unknown guy comes out in a role and then fires off...surprised they didn't mention their boy (and ours, don't get me wrong) Glen Powell.
Top Gun Maverick in 2022, which later leads to Anyone but You in December the following year, Hit Man drops on Netflix in May, and Twisters in July. 8 months. That's probably the closest we have to Costner in '87. And 3 significantly different movies like Austin there.
"State of Grace" Rewatchables WHEN?!
Species is next I think 👱🏻♀️🥰👽
Might be my #1 episode they haven't done yet. Ok , Over the Top is #1, but State of Grace is definitely in the top 3
this is a hitchcock movie that fucks...........................quote of the year
I feel like Out of Time, a vastly underrated Denzel film, is very much inspired, or influenced by this film. Either way love both movies, idk what to call this sub-genre of dudes involved in some business who are accused of something and who have to solve the mystery on-the-run pursued by authorities, Frantic and Fugitive obviously good examples of it.
The quintessential 80s thriller. So perfectly balanced 👏
Master & Commander rewatchables please!
40:57 I think you gotta name this category the Marcus Smart award for 'guy who waves off the superstars when he shouldn't'. Terrific pod
After True Lies the Hottest take award should be renamed to "The Bill Simmons thinks Bill Paxton could have played George Clooney in Out of Sight hottest take award"
These guys need to do Out of Time (2003) with Denzel. It’s similar to No Way Out. My mom watched it every day for a year or two, so I’d say it’s a Rewatchable.
Feisty Lad!
When is the ‘Sicario’ video???
Kevin Costner said on the Rich Eisen show that Gene Hackman is the best actor he has worked with.
I remember the conversation as well
Such a great podcast! You really need to do Bull Durham!
Some serious That Guy action in this movie. I'd say it's between Marshall Bell and Nicholas Worth.
So glad I watched the movie before listening to this 😂, knew they would spoil everything. I mean they have too, nature of the show, but wow! ❤
The Tale of Cloris and Gene had me gasping for air. I had to switch from audio to video at that point.
I always thought Sean Young reminded me of Debra Winger. Both odd women that were big in the 80s, careers wained in the 90s. Both reputation for being “difficult”.
Great point, they have a similar sort of vibe too in films, No Way Out and Officer and a Gentleman both these career jumping off points for big actors, and their respective love interests. Besides Blade Runner and No Way Out I don't really know if Sean Young was that great an actress, but Debra Winger in Officer and a Gentleman, Terms of Endearment and Shadowlands was genuinely great, especially the latter is very underrated but she's excellent in it opposite Anthony Hopkins
For Costner Movies, I would love to see them breakdown The Guardian with Ashton Kutcher. By no means a great movie but a real rewatchable
Excellent movie
LETS FUCKING GO! Great pick
A cosmic wind!
I haven’t listened to this yet, how gross does Simmons get about Sean Young?
M Nights "The Visit" is a twist that doesn't work.. A large amount of M Night twists don't really work...
The village had me ready to walk out of the theater
Cross-podcast comment: on smartless Willem Defoe said great actors carry the entire weight of the movie in their facial expressions. Watch No Way Out again with this in mind. I think it might be one of the best example of this idea.
I watched this movie for the first time because of the pod. Somewhere in the middle I thought, it would be funny if Costner actually was a Russian spy. I never thought it would be the twist so I figured out the twist and was blindsided by it at the same time.
Life lesson award: Don't place your glass coffee table underneath the railing of your stairway; one day, you will regret it.
At this point the rewatchables are reviewing movies I've never watched a first time or even heard of 😅
Need a "Revenge" Rewatchables, Boys.
Not Costner's best ... but I'm watching it every time it's on. 🤔
Oh, so am I (Madeline Stowe is EVERYTHING)
Goo Mars? Lol at how he says it
why is Iman, an African, having a passport from South Africa so mind-blowing to bill? 1:17:55
Speaking of twist movies, Jagged Edge has a pretty good twist.
Camron apex mountain? Wood Harris probably not apex mountain? Mekhi pheifer's run is pretty iconic
LETS GO!!!
AMERICAN FLYERS!!!
Love this film!
The Book of Eli has the stupidest "twist" I can think of.
Truth! Promised so much and the second half is deplorable
Really wanna watch this movie now don't know if I'll like it knowing the twist now though
The score was absolutely terrible and really took me out of the movie during key scenes. Synth scores always date '80s movies but when it's Tangerine Dream during Thief it's a high level of musicianship. The "No Way Out" score felt like something the composer threw together in an afternoon.
It's a neat twist and for sure the '90s twists owe a debt to this script. I still think the Usual Suspects and Sixth Sense twists are really shocking and mindblowing and are in a different class of screenwriting than No Way Out.
I agree with Sean that the movie "Identity" has the silliest twist I can remember.
I loved all the '87 versions of ''state of the art'' technology. It made the original Mission Impossible look futuristic.
Damn, no Van. Would have been interested to know if Sean Young made his white girl HOF.
With her track record, I'm guessing No
Doubt it
How did anyone not mention the photo enhancing tech is literally real now.
Have yall done Big Trouble in Little China?
Nope, no way Bill would give us that gem. Just like many others he's refusing to do. Star Wars, Chinatown, and so many more.
Where is Hoosiers? Not on the podcast app?
Only guy I think movie wise has a list almost as impressive as costners is josh brolin, I think about who has the best movies resume all the time
Bring on the Coke Whore Pyramid!! So if Blake Lively from 'The Town' is the obvious the #1 pick, does that mean that Shine gets in at like #9 or #10 just by default??? Very strong Coke Whore genes going on with that freaking kid!! 🤣
I don't know what Sean was talking about in terms of a strip joint in Full Metal Jacket--there was no such thing in the movie, and no Filippino prostitutes, either (it's set in Vietnam). The soldiers did solicit prostitutes in FMJ, but they were outside.
love this movie
Silverado.
I never knew that Brad Pitt was in this movie
great film....(esp as a kiwi...with maori haka scene :) ) but major picking nit, which bugged me even when i first saw it at the theatre.....when fatty boat-hire guy sees him in the pentagon....never bothers to say..."o yeah...he's wearing navy whites"...which would narrow suspects in building down by about 98%?
Has dated badly,naff score by the usually great Maurice Jarre
Bill’s worst take is he’s always mad at musicians for not giving their shit away for free so a movie/show can be streaming when we now know how badly musicians are screwed over in modern streaming, imagine how bad it was before. Love everything else Bill is about most times but his anti union and anti artists getting paid shit is lame.
guys a mel gibson hall of fame🙇
Please create Time stamps for the love of god and country
Thanks for the spoiler. I hadn't seen this movie since 1987. So I figured why not, I had forgotten the ending. Thanks, he's a Russian, it all came flooding back. Now I ll not watch it.😢
For me, High Tension was absolutely ruined by the twist. It was so unnecessary. I honestly think without it, it would have been at least a cult classic in America and one of the best of the New French Extremity movies.
Bill is a Tubi shill at this point.
Rich people tend to be cheap.
Tarantino favorites RUclips and tubi.. always talking about them on his podcast
Tubi has a lot of good stuff on it
A lot of people use it now
the big three
Rollerball?
I'm w/ Siskel
So i watched this last night for the first time and i agree with craig. The first half hour or so is pretty terrible. The camera work is bad, the "sea rescue" scene looks lile it was filmed in a bathtub, etc. Fortunately it gets much better once she dies...not a knock on sean young, but its an odd role. And i was 7 when this movie came out and i had no idea about the "twist"...brilliantly done...the last half hour makes up for the first half hour.
Also a ton of bad 80s music in that first half hour that made me want to turn it off. I prefer the Big Clock (1948) version with Ray Milland, but that's because I prefer Ray Milland to everyone in this movie minus maybe Hackman.
Coup de Grǎce
Waterworld: epically bad investment and tentpost plan for one's summer; never was unwatchable, just too long back when we could be picky.
washton
still can't say women
good movie, but I don't think it is a good twist, and you kind of answered why. it doesn't make any sense because they would have gotten him out as soon she died.
why? the whole Yuri thing was made up on the spot (yes I know they talk about it being a concern in the past but there was never any evidence of an actual Yuri, so it was a convenient cover for Brice and Pritchard). if they pulled out Costner right then it would have raised suspicions and maybe actually uncovered his espionage
Love 'No Way Out'.. but hate the twist ending
_LOVE_ the ending. Makes it great to rewatch.
This movie is terrible. Should have been on the unwatchables
87 uggghhh commmmee onnn. Paid in full--- the Last black cinema you did was Jackie brown and idk if it counts
Why is the Rewatchables so reliant on Ebert reviews? Think for yourselves, guys.
Roger was/is a very respected critic. To say they are "reliant" on his reviews is straight up wrong
It's a bit. Ebert rarely rates rewatchable (popular) movies, especially comedies. He just "loves story" as the bit goes.
What if we do a theme month of "Movies people might have actually seen"?
This film is right in Bills wheelhouse. If you don't like his picks maybe find another podcast. Plenty of folks out there talking about Marvel films.
A lot of people saw Twister and True Lies 🤷🏻♂️
I've watched movies I've never heard of because of these guys and end up really enjoying them most of the time. It's what I love about their old school taste. Expand your horizons dawg
@@mjwbulich This isn't about Bill not liking the MCU. Bill has a niche taste and there are so many great movies sitting out there that he just won't do. Refuses to do much from the 1970s when there's so much good stuff in that decade. Won't do anything before 1970.
I like the pod a lot but it's been a lot of head scratchers. We need the one for us instead of nineteen for Bill.
Never heard of this movie. Sad bill simmons is like trump. Could be way kore successyof he got out of his own way. A lot of these movies arent rewatchable all. They should just rename the podcast to "movies bill likes"
But, did you enjoy the podcast? I hadn't seen this film in ages. I ended up rewatching it and loved it, although the sex scene in the cab was oddly uncomfortable 😂I like Bill's taste in movies, I even enjoy his hot takes that I disagree with. It's entertainment my friend.
@@rogerwhite4073 I know what you mean and I mostly agree with you. But it's like at some point I need Bill to give us the "one for us pod". He has just been doing a lot of his 'greatest hits' and there are still so many bangers out there that maybe he doesn't like. Take Star Wars for example. He's not a huge fan of it. Cool then let CR or Sean host that podcast and sit that one out.
So what if _you've_ never heard of this movie? This particular film is absolutely rewatchable.
You guys pick some garbage movies sometimes. As years go on as you run out stuff percentage of bad movies no one watched after they released more and more
You're saying _No Way Out_ as garbage movie!?!
The quintessential 80s thriller. So perfectly balanced 👏