Let’s just do the math… based on all the photos & videos of SA on Maddie would require many, many, many moments alone with Maddie over at least 4 years, unless Jennifer was aware. Since Jennifer barely ever worked & when she did it was part time, would equal only one thing… she was aware of what was going on because she was there all the time.
You undermine just how calculating predators are. He would have chosen his moments carefully. He would had ample opportunities when her meds kicked in at night to have access to Maddie undisturbed. He may well of used moments too when Maddie was asleep with the help of her meds…these types of predators are very clever at the grooming process!
I call B.S. on the TBI - there was no hospital stay following the accident, he wasn’t followed by a Pediatric Neurologist for any # of years following the accident, etc… that makes 0 sense. I feel this was made up by the parents to use as an excuse for why SS acted in the many terrible ways that he did from ages 10 to 37. They said as soon as they learned that he was a lying, gas-lighter they immediately began to hold him accountable .. the Dr. asked them at what age they learned this & took these steps, and DS responded “when he was 35”. 🤦🏼♀️ 🤦🏼♀️
@@valansley yeah I thought they bred poodles but in the interview they say dobermans ?! Was this due to the fact they feel unsafe at the moment? Weird.
She is not incent.. if Stephan,s mother wouldn’t let Maddie sleep in SS bed at her house and she told them that…. Jen is guilty don’t let the Stupid card fool them… Jen had 2 years of college.. she knew better and knew it’s wrong..
@@sassygirl5422 I agree that she’s guilty of neglecting her responsibilities as a parent. To what degree of guilt that she is past that in the eyes of the law is yet to be seen. She does suffer mental illness though. Even if “only” bipolar. She’s medicated for that and other things. Tired and awful lot. Needs all of this extra sleep at times. Obviously doesn’t pay close attention enough, if she hadn’t a clue what was going on for YEARS. Yet had the thought process to claim that she relayed to SS that her worst fear was having things turn into a Woody Allen situation. Why would she say that if she at minimum SUSPECT he was abusing MS? Going to college doesn’t make people not be neglectful and doesn’t make people not fabricate stories, (if that’s what she did). A lot of college educated people commit crimes and or just do stupid things in general.
She’s not as stupid and dumb as she looks and asks. Jenn is smart I believe but lets people think she’s slower cause it suits her needs and gets pitty.
I am afraid I disagree with you guys. If I had a son who did what SS is accused of re photos and SA I would not maintain any contact with him ever again. A parent who still spoils their offending son in jail for such offences is lending support for him and what he has done. IMO.
Exactly this. You would still love your child, it's impossible not to, but to enable them? Support them? Treat them? Stand by them?? Hell no. These are the most grotesque and evil charges where there is absolute proof, it's not a case where they may the wrong person, or the charges aren't particularly serious. To continue to give him money and encouragement is disgraceful and inexcusable. That is just more terrible parenting. Poor Maddie was surrounded by failures of adults 😭
Sterns parents want to create this impression that Madeline loved being around their son. I don't believe it. They are trying to shift or put the blame on others.
Being a Mother I would know by behavior if something was wrong with my child. I’m wondering if the meds were correct as well. Mandy had red flags. Sleeping in school is a big one!!
You knew that sleeping as school was a sign before this case and hearing it on Court TV or on GrizzlyTC? Really you knew it? I was always sleepy at school. It was the hardest thing to stay awake at those hours. Waking up early was the hardest thing for me and I would often leave school after my parents dropped me just so I could sleep. And I wasn't a victim like Maddie. The perception is that a child victim would be sad, scared, avoidant of their a*er. Maddie was joyous, happy, loving towards Stephan. She went by herself to sleep near him. So it's hard to suspect something in that situation.
Police off the cuff, thank you for all you do. I'd expect a traumatic brain injury would at least spend one night in hospital, SS went home the same day ,his brain injury couldn't have been too traumatic . The parents haven't been completely honest, they have tried to cover up past creepy behaviour of SS and lied about stuff. Having said that, their son did this, not them, so I don't think they deserve to be threatened and harassed. From New Zealand 🇳🇿
You are very kind, thank you. I agree the parents don't deserve to be punished for the crimes of their son, but its an uncomfortable position to be in.
I'm a retired nurse, I saw trauma patients nearly every day. There's no way they would have sent him home from the hospital if it was a significant head injury. Especially being a child.
Thinking this will be his defense, traumatic brain injury as a child and never progressed after that.he has the mind of a 12yearold (collecting cards, buying toys)
@@sherryjoiner396 thank you ,for clarity about that. I didn't think he'd have been sent home, my son had head injuries after a car accident, that changed his personality permanently, it wasn't classed traumatic, he was in hospital for over a week. The person doing that interview asked how long he was in hospital, the mother answered he didn't then glossed over it by saying something like I might have wanted him at home, which still doesn't gel in my mind because why would you not want your son to be looked after by health professionals if it's that bad. I appreciate your medical opinion.
If she didn’t believe the pictures when she saw them.. she damn sure wouldn’t have believed Maddie. Even if Maddie had told her Jen wouldn’t have believed her and most likely Jen would’ve told SS what Maddie said..
Why is no one seemingly concerned about WHEN Stephen told his parents that he "discovered" Maddies body? When he was arrested , she was still considered a runaway. So, did he tell them that before he was arrested? If after, why haven't we seen that in released documents? The confession would have to be on the phone or in a written letter or email.
@darla896 right? It would be pretty important to know when he told them because prior to his arrest, Maddie was presumed alive. So if he told them before he was arrested, they were withholding that from the police. If he told them after, then why haven't we seen that in the communication records.
The problem is that DS & CS’s first interview with Detective Hunt just days after Maddie’s body was found, they were telling stories about themselves, how they met, laughing, joking, sharing memes with the detective. DS was even sort of flirting with the detective. In one breath they said they didn’t have a lot to do with JS & MS, then months later DS pretends she’s a grieving step-grandmother. I just see a lot of the behavioral stuff in DS that we see in SS; the fake tears is primary. In one breath she talks about how severe SS’s injuries were when hit by a truck, but states she refused to let the hospital keep him overnight because “germs”. There’s just some histrionics from DS.
Don’t forget, it was Jenn Soto’s father who owned the house. Maddie’s own Grandfather! Can you imagine? What kind of grandfather allows his granddaughter to share a room with her mom & boyfriend? He couldn’t let Maddie have the extra room instead of trying to rent it out for money? That’s so weird to me. It’s important for tweens/teens to have their own space & privacy…especially a girl.
It's not like the assault had just started. Times had been on going for at least 5 years. Look how careless he was. In her bedroom was a clothes basket. Madeline's dress is on the bottom and his boxers are right there in plain sight, on top. He had not been there for a couple of weeks. Those boxers should be on his butt. He just got there. He was not careful to hid the evidence of what he was doing to Madeline. When Jennifer was younger, she had visitors. They used a towel to clean up after $€x. She blazed them out for getting jiz on her towel. So she could see jiz on anything Stephan used. Madeline's clothes would be soiled. He did as he PLEASED. Jennifer didn't want to be alone and she kept him by allowing him to feast on her daughter. All she wanted to do was take her drugs and sleep. I think her depression was her main concern. Stephan was there to watch over Madeline encase Jennifer was too busy with herself. I think she really wanted to marry Tyler but his girlfriend at that time would not have it. So Jennifer got so depressed being alone ,pregnant, and no future. I think she medicates to stay numb. She once had a bright future and the pregnancy took that away. Instead of working her life differently she sank into a deep depression. She had different drugs for different reasons. When she was taking about Madeline's asthma inhaler she started to break down. I think she knows exactly how Madeline died. The lack of breath. She also made the comment she felt like she couldn't breath. But the inhaler caused her to react. Talking to police she gives hints about what happened with Madeline. She is there desperately trying to save her own behind. She really isn't trying to solve the problem of finding Madeline. She is try to defend herself. She is justifying her actions. They have to pull information out of her. She is even trying to take herself our of the target by pointing out Stephan a little. Tyler's wife called up a content creator and she said Madeline was not pregnant. But is that a fact or to just stop that idea.
Linda- you absolutely nailed this. Jenn was trying to save her own butt. There’s no telling what other kind of deviant behavior that his parents or Jenn saw , and will never come to light.
Where did you hear the jiz story? And idk how much of a confirmation the step moms statement is but I feel like even if its true, that doesnt mean Jenn & Stephan didnt think she was. I have a weird feeling Jen wanted SS to come back to Orlando so thats what she told him. It was a lie to bate him back. Thats why he was agitated when he left his Dads house to go to Jens. He believed her and freaked out and did something crazy. She was the one that triggered it with her lie and so they both realized they were going to be screwed. Thats when they came up with their dumb story.
Beautifully said and I think that contact creator is just trying to stop the accusations. She just started right when the case happened so I think she’s trying to come out with something before anyone else has. I’m not the only one that thinks this. “ The pregnancy rumor “ has not made breaking news on any channel and let’s think about this logically, why would Tyler’s wife or anyone who knows the absolute truth is gonna call this one RUclipsr who just started out and creating right when the Soto case happened, then to call somebody who has been out there, is reputable, has got a way bigger platform. It doesn’t make any sense . it’s a damn shame is what it is. I no longer will be watching her content myself.
Maddie’s mom ignored her mother’s concern AND Stephan’s mom who both said something to her about Stephan sleeping wih Maddie. The grandfather never advocated for Maddie when he knew that Maddie didn’t have her own bedroom because he is the landlord of the townhouse.
I agree that the grandfather should have allowed Maddie to have her own permanent room, regardless of whatever renters came and went. He should have insisted. He failed her too.
CS-DS Mr.&Mrs Blamers N Enablers CS revealed who he is saying: too bad he wasn’t smart enough with his phone. They’re only sorry he got caught and now the world knows all about their monster. DS is horrible. The only victim is Maddie. Their excuses are ridiculous and self serving. It’s disrespectful to Maddie’s memory.
I’ve heard interviews on another channel with people who knew them and one described Debra as “the most vile, racist person” he’d ever known. Also said parents were aware of CSAM on Stephan’s computer YEARS ago. This rings true to me.
Wouldn't it make more sense for Jenn to be in the middle when they slept together? Why did Jenn allow Maddie to be in the middle? Why did she think that was okay? And she even admits waking up to find Maddie and Stephan cuddling and thought that was okay too. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS WOMAN?! And if she was raised to never trust a man and was afraid "this" would turn into a Woody Allen thing, why the hell did she send Maddie to sleep alone with Stephan? Why did she trust HIM? Jennifer contradicts herself.
@@WordsBloom the only sense to have been made would have been for Madeline to be sleeping in her own bed, and especially while JS was sharing her bed with a man and for JS to NEVER have allowed ANY man to be sleeping in the same room, let alone the same bed with her child. But we can’t go back and unscramble those eggs.
Jennifer is a person who suffers from several forms of depression. She once had a bright future. Then she was pregnant, alone, and in a very bad place. I think she really wanted to marry Tyler. That time line is confusing. But he went on and married Titiana. I think she really dislikes Jennifer. She keeps Tyler in the dog house even now. I think she even kept the visits with Madeline to a limit. She knew along with Madeline came contact with Jennifer. You can hear that fear he might have messed up with the hug he gave Jennifer at the funeral. He skates on thin ice in his marriage.
@@lindaglover7088 Jennifer definitely has poor mental hygiene. I can see a side of this that some others maybe can’t. My mother also suffered mental illness, presumably due to head trauma at a young age as well as that her own mother passed away while my mother was a young teen. My mother had a total of 5 children. The first two, being my older brother and me, who she walked away from when I was 2 months old. (My brother was 20 months.) She went on to have our 3 siblings. The middle of those three passed away. In speaking with my youngest sibling it’s clear to me that our mother didn’t grasp the concept of what it truly meant to be a mother. I began my parenting career early, (I was barely 18 years old). My second child passed away at 3.5 months. (My eldest at that time was 3.5 years.) This sent me into a downward spiral and I had to step back and get my own mental health and life in check. It wasn’t easy and relinquishing custody to my children’s father was the hardest, and in the situation that followed was the worst thing I could have done. I fought for many years to get my child back although I always had regular visits with her and I was never not in her life. Years went by, I remarried, and eventually had my 3rd child. My two children are grown. Sadly, both of my grown children struggle with their mental health, as do I still from time to time. Many people do. But we’re all making it…sometimes faking it so we can make it another day. By the grace of almighty God, we’re here. It’s so easy for people that aren’t in the soup to know all of the right ingredients. While I sit here and wonder why the heck this woman did what she did, I also look back and ask myself what the hell was wrong with me. Why couldn’t I get my ish together and deal with life. (Notice, no question mark? Why? Because I don’t have the answers. In regards to Jennifer, we likely will never know. She might never know, except to say that she thought SS cared for Maddie the same way she did and that answer will never be understandable or acceptable in the eyes of John and Jane Q public. As for the reasons for her mental issues… again, who knows? In this true crime genre many people are just here for the story and they want to know and have all of the answer that solve the riddle, until the next big story comes along. They want the story to go the way they want the story to go and they want to name all of the villains and be the judge, jury, and executioner. For some of us, it hits home like a cat 5 hurricane. As for Mr. Wallace, I know a lot of people feel sorry for him and his wife. As a vilomah, myself… that’s relatable. The phone interview show/phone interview that he put on, as it turns out didn’t sit well with many people from what I can gather. I actually even had a bit of second hand embarrassment for him when the detectives shut him down on the banter. Even they seemed to think it was an act of story by how they spoke with him about it. In my unprofessional and unsolicited opinion, he was attempting to 1) put on a show for the wife, 2) make sure to point out that his PDA toward Jennifer was a show for the cameras in case it made it to media where the wife might catch wind, and 3 paint Jennifer out to be the villain of all villains and make his woe is me story front page news. As a parent who did not have custody of her child and made the choice to move to another state, I had an option between sitting around and making my former look like the villain and cry because I didn’t get to see my kid, or save every penny I could and get on the docket to establish out of state visit rights. I chose the latter because my child nattered to me. Her, (my daughter’s), father was and is an ass but he didn’t and doesn’t need me beating that into the heads of everyone who’ll listen. He’s done a fine job of that all on his own. But, I’m sure he would say the same about me. In these types of situations it’s all about the perspective of the people listening after the fact. The people who don’t have, “skin in the game”, as Mrs. Sterns put it. Both Ms. Soto and Mr. Wallace had a job and neither of them followed through and did their job. Maddie was a victim for every one of her 13 years. There admittedly wasn’t even a repreive from that victimhood during the 4 days or more…if there ever actually were more, that she spent with Mr. and Mrs. Wallace. Not when the Mrs. was putting poor Maddie in the position to have to stand up for her own mother toward another adult in her life. That’s just absolutely sickening to me. That’s the type of thing that makes me hope against all else that the Mr. can keep his pants zipped from now on so he doesn’t bring yet another unwanted child into this world that will have to deal with the likes of his wife.
These parents have accepted that their son is a lunatic a very long time ago. Hence their support is unwavering and it makes perfect sense to me. I feel empathetic towards them
I’m very sorry but I honestly don’t feel sorry for them. You are truly correct, I can’t even imagine how they must be feeling. But if I’m being honest I can’t listen to them.
The professor said it’s the “nature” of parents to always want to “take care of their children” and I agree when they are CHILDREN. It’s the parent’s responsibility to raise their children to be independent, self-sufficient adults, not to continue taking care of them. This behavior only creates a dysfunctional adult-child like SS. At 37 years old, he was not holding down a job and his parents were paying his rent! Now they’ve learned he’s not only a Pedofile but a Child Murderer and what do they do? They send him money in jail so he can have his treats. I have a 37 year old son also and if I found out he did those things I would be grieving the loss of my son, along with the life of the child he took. I would not “support him unconditionally” as the parents defiantly said they would do. I pray for justice for Maddie!!!
Hello, that video frustrated me to know end. They made some outlandish comments and were not challenged. They just sat there nodding. He had TBI and walked out of the hospital after an hour. Madeline telling the Stern's about the sleeping arrangements was a cry for help. She told in the only way she could, but it wasn't picked up. Jennifer did at the very minimum thought he was capable of molesting her child, why else would she of given him that Woody Allen nonsense?
My "Dad" was my biggest, longest perpetrator; from at least the age of 4 to 16. My "Mom" was severely abusive and neglectful in every way except sexually. When she was told when I turned 16. She denied it, took his side, protected him. She made comments that she couldn't believe that he ever...she didn't want them to put out my name in the news... they'd arrest my "dad" put him in the brig and bust his rank and dishonorable discharge BAM! SHE ENABLED HIM for the benefits, retirement and the $$$. He allowed her to abuse and neglect so he could have me! EVEN WHEN BOTH were told about the other, NEITHER did anything for me! In my adult life, they still controlled me for years! (What I could say, who I could hangout with, where I could go... telling other family members and friends that I had problems, blaming a school I went to one year of highschool, etcetera. To this day, NO ONE has been held accountable and responsible! To this day, I have NOT been validated or vindicated. I am a "nobody" THIS happened in multiple states, many times, many ways. Now, although they were the biggest abusers and very neglectful, there were also other "family members" a cousin, my Mom's stepdad, a neighbor (good friends with Mom) her son.
He is such a liar. He does not care if Maddie is found for her family. Thank God for the person that noticed him from when he was off the road changing the tire.
WHEN MADDIES GRANDFATHER LIVED THERE SHE HAD HER OWN ROOM & SLEP THERE NO PROBLEM..JEN IS 100% GUILTY SHE CHANGED THE ENVIRONMENT,SHE KNEW & LET IT HAPPEN
What the hell did she need him for? He couldn't even take care of himself, so it couldn't be that she relied on him for financial support. They didn't have an exciting romantic life and weren't intimate all that frequently, so it wasn't for this reason. I believe she just wanted to be able to tell people she had a man in her life! Some women just have to have a man in their lives no matter how awful the relationship is! JS failed her responsibility as a caring, loving mother!
Sadly it‘s likely. I don‘t know if Jenn knew but she obviously was aware of SS having money without officially working. So it could be just another „I don‘t want to look into it, I just need enough sleep“ or she did know, I can‘t tell but she totally failed as a mother, that much I know!!
@Cheryl F if you’re in the comments…the man that saw SS said the spare (donut) was on the car. That SS appeared to be ducking behind the side of the car as to not be seen. He said SS was holding the tire iron. Bits of the tire were found at the site where Maddie was found.
@@PoliceofftheCuff Hi, thank you, and thank you for the great live streams. Your channel is top notch! I appreciate and look forward to lives and videos from you.
Commentators suggesting that JS had a obligation to protect the deceased underage victim, MS. What about the biological male parent, simply because he puts distance between him and his offspring doesn’t give him any excuse from liability to protect his underage kid. If he had adequate communication with her, where she felt confident that she could communicate the fact that she was violated by someone Of close proximity.😊
@@PoliceofftheCuff , I pointed out with my comment, that the biological father had distance between his biological daughter, the deceased victim. Simply because you’re a bit of an absentee parent, doesn’t absolve you of your parental responsibilities or duties.
I am actually shocked at how many RUclips creators these parents reached out to! What in the world are they thinking?! This interview did them no favors. It was so completely tone deaf, I have to imagine that any harassment they’re receiving would get worse. I hope Deb doesn’t have to replace many more of her business cards. 🙄
What I find interesting is, NO ONE, has blamed JS's father, JUAN for causing some of the problem. Juan owned the home. Home's have mortgages, HOA fees, real estate taxes etc. Juan, turned the home, into a rooming house to collect rent to pay for the home's expenses. So, why didn't Maddie have a room? Because she was living in a rooming house with a mother who was oblivious to everything around her.
Great commentary on this case! It’s incredibly sad! She knew. The “Woody Allen” theory that Jenn feared that Stephen would marry Maddie when she was 18 (legal). Like Soon Ye, Allen’s adopted daughter he married..That says it all! Prof Mike is spot on!
Mom Sterns (Debra) was subtlety suggesting that sending Maddie to Stephan's bed sort of mitigated what he did, ie Jen should have known that would result in a sexual issue (please). Yes I totally get Jenn's negligence and stupidity......but what Stephan did was heinous and not partially because he was "fed" a young girl who needed a place to sleep. Clearly Jenn is guilty of criminal negligence (and I expect charges eventually)......but don't dare suggest big boy Steph was just a guy with hormones put in a bad situation.
I love my son to the ends of the earth but I would not support him in prison by sending money to make his prison life better after raping a little girl for years and finally taking her life. No. These parents have enabled his deviant /criminal behavior and continue today. All he had was time on his hands since he never had to work to support himself. Mom and dad were always there to pay his rent, food, car, medical insurance, access to credit cards. He didn’t have a worry in the world.
I’m a clinical psychologist who has conducted clinical studies in forensic disability, forensic mental illness & prison. I’m not supporting or excusing Steffen Sterns in any way whatsoever, however there is a significant amount of evidence that indicates people who have a traumatic brain injury have very diminished impulse control. Other issues that people who have a TBI include: suggestibility, poor decision making, arrested psychological development, repetitive behaviours, anger management issues & a plethora of other co-morbidities. Steffen deliberately groomed Jennifer Soto to get access to Maddie. My heart goes out to Maddie; she had nobody who cherished, loved & protected her. I cry every time I see an interview about Maddie. 😪😪😪😪😪
Yes I agree with you ..everyone hates on Dr Dorothy Lewis but her research is proven over and over again ..until we as a society see and accept the truth about how monsters are created ww will never get a handle on it . He had it all tbi , dominate mother who infantalsized him , pretty much absent or passive father ..n I wonder about the genetics .
They knew he had those images of kids on his computer. He was peeping on his neighbors, took pics of his friend’s gf in the shower. What did they do? They paid every one for their silence! They are despicable and dishonest. Jen knew as well.
Why wouldn't you interview them if they reached out to you? I'm sure you'd treat them fairly and with respect regardless how you feel, and it would help your channel grow. I, for one, would LOVE to watch an interview with you and the Sterns. DO IT! Please.
Perhaps they are angry will Bill and wouldn't do an interview with him. I think they only wanted to do hidden true crime which imo is one of the worst podcasts. Dr John is extremely boring.
@@PoliceofftheCuff Sgt Bill, what about Child Endangerment? Regardless of any knowledge or involvement of what happened to darling Maddie, surely Jenn is "guilty" of Child Endangerment?
Well done, Sgt William Cannon and Professor Michael Geary, brilliant show !!! Truth revealed, thank you for being a light shining in the darkness.👏 Agree with Professor Michael Geary about Stephan Sterns' parents. Parenting is for a lifetime, yes, their son has committed horrific crimes. If they abandon Stephan Sterns completely? Then, they do not fulfil their role as parents. Think of the parable of the prodigal son in my spiritual senses. This is the clear message of that parable. Yes, judicial consequences need to be served on Stephan Sterns, although Stephan Sterns' parents still need to continue their parenting skills and show parental love in all ways possible. If we can try and put ourselves in Stephan Sterns' parents' shoes, walk a mile in my shoes, then maybe that will stop us from condemning them. If only people would turn to God's Holy Word, parenting skills can be found in the Lords word. We are in God's classroom of learning. Rest in peace, Madeline Soto. Feel sure you are safe in Heaven, where peace and love reigns forever. Amen, so be it. 🙏🙏🙏
Why is this girl being shuffled from stephans parent slept with maddie her biodad stated a maddie sandwich sleeping with current wife and sleeping with her and stephan. Thats a very red flag. No privacy at all. She had her own room and still slept with her grandma???!!! 13 years old And the rent for the room was more important. Willing to let sleep in a makeshift room over some rent. That comment came from jennifer!!!! Wow!
True. Hypothetically, if for some whack reason a kid had to sleep with a grown up man every single night of her life, she should be safe. She would be safe if the guy was normal and not a predator freak. Stephan is the one who made the decisions each and every time to hurt, violated and abuse a little innocent child. He's 100% the reason it occurred. But part 2 is that the mom should be last line of defense to ensure her baby is not ever put in that vulnerable position. Especially with a dude who has shown a million signs that he's not your normal dude.
@@lisamh9037exactly! It’s also as if DS knows what he did, knows M is gone, knows what’s on the phone… yet can still call him an empathetic person and can’t connect the two. One side of her says that’s my son, the other says he’s a monster. But she never meets them in the middle. Like when she talks about the sleeping arrangements, it’s everybodys fault. Which may, be true. But the USB was ‘in his possession’ “why did he have that?” Not - it’s truly horrific he owned that USB and kept it in our house. She can never group him with the atrocities
Chris Stern apparently had a second life and his partner sent him a hustler and Chris Stearns in this interview Kristian and his wife in this interview say there never been a hustler in their house. All this boy ever known is love which mimics what Chris what Stephen has said about Maddie he’s now saying about Chris or Chris is now saying about his son.
His parents could have been closed mouth and not said anything. The fact that they are telling us what happened and how they feel about things gives us a lot of insight into the family dynamics, it gives us a lot of insight into Stephan, Jenny and Maddie which we would not otherwise have if they had not spoken up. I think people should go easy on them.
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I 100% believe Jen knew what was happening and she did it because she knew Stephan would bother her for intimacy that she didn’t want. I just cannot understand any reason for the set up they had apart from Jen knew.
Hi new here. Jen absolutely knew what he was doing. She allowed it and by mentioning woody Allen . It was as she warned him he could do that as long as he didn’t leave her for Maddie. That was her concern 😡
I blame Jen! She was the mom and it was her house and she was the one that allowed the access SS had to Maddie. Jen used Maddie to keep SS around for whatever sick toxic needy reasons she had. You said the entire situation was not proper. You are correct. Jen’s impropriety and immorality exposed Maddie to a life she should have been shielded from.
I haven't seen every clip on the case but there was some things I haven't heard before: 1) The money, he was getting money from somewhere (we all are having that fear that he is selling phones and God knows what else) 2) At the end Debbie says: he said he went out to blow of some stem and when he came back she was.. Cold? So he is talking...
Yes! I'm shocked no one is addressing that comment! That to me is an admission of guilt, and I'm sure SS attorney isn't happy about that, altho I'm glad DS stated that
I have been tough on these two because they knew SS had mental problems. I feel they should have done more to interfere with SS once they discovered inappropriate behavior from their son. I agree Jenn should be charged. I believe they wanted to be grandparents. However, again, they had a great influence on him. They could have demanded he live elsewhere or no support. No money in prison until you confess it all to LE. They are empowering his bad behavior. Especially the father has said things about Maddie that enranged me. In no way did Maddie deserve any of this. She did not entice or behave inappropriately as a child her age who isn't being manipulated by a fiend. Everything they said about SS told me he should not be around children. They knew more about him that they let Jenn know. Not team Jenn either so don't go there. Come on, the Disney Chanel? Is like $15 dollars. Nice to play grandparents but you follow up. Your son was that man and you cannot blame mom for his behavior.
Jen is not thinking normally. There is something very wrong with her. In a sense, she is very infantile. I’m a school psychologist and behavior analyst and this is my opinion.
I agree with you. All those meds and probably illegal drugs that she continues to put in her system perhaps is the reason preventing her from doing what a normal person would do in this situation.
@@MariaKoroleva.Realtor I agree. There is nothing normal in JS behavior. She is masking herself and using drugs to numb her brain. Her anxiety, depression, and bipolar disorder symptoms have not shown in any of her interviews, which is a huge indicator that she is numb on drugs. Is the same behavior from her initial interview. Not normal, being deceitful, in denial, even when presented with facts she easily move away from reality, and that is because she is not in her real sense of life, she is hiding herself behind those drugs. Her behavior, not her words in que moments of her. Interviews are giving her away, they are really brief, but you got silence the interview and watch her actions, go back to her other. Interviews and watch the patterns. She definitely is acting and using drugs to keep her calm during her interviews, but reactions cannot always be controlled.
Mine to and as a bpd I see bpd all over her ..and her mother seems toxic ..cold domineering narcissistic even. I was misdiagnosed for years as bipolar getting a correct diagnosis as bpd was a game changer for me ..I bet she is misdiagnosed as well.
Absolutely! And the fact that they BOTH spoke of Maddi with closed ended statements all the time. "I can't do anything", "I don't know anything", "WE knew it was never gonna end" - if you care you are going through any and everything in your brain that can help. You wouldn't immediately jump to say her laptop be traced like Jenn did. You would HOPE it could, you would try. Just like Jenns family in that moment, innocent and hopeful they said "well, what if it's connected to wifi? Maybe it could get traced." I really hope and wish for these types of cases that they take in specialists, that can break these perpetrators down properly. I don't think SS and JS are particularly mentally strong. They would cave.
That's right four hours in that car together while the detectives were in the condo She still had him around after knowing what he did and after seeing the SA photos She's a Pig
I agree, they had time to think about their story before Stefan was arrested. If Stefan says that Jen knew nothing about the abuse and she says that she never saw any abuse going on, it may be harder for LE to prove otherwise, in terms of what Jen actually knew. I think Jen will have charges filed against her, at the very least 'failure to protect', by allowing Maddie to sleep in the same bed with Sterns.
@PoliceOffTheeCuff at 16:36 The hammer drops..IMO There are many more complacent people pretending to be parents. Jenn Soto is going to be the poster child of them all. When a crime as horrific as the fatal obsession SS had for 13y3day old Maddie rears its ugly head it's pitch forks and torches, rightfully so. I object to the term Pedophile. That means lover of children. IMO it makes the mental illness sound not as bad. I wish we could call it some thing else like woodchipper.
All I can say about the TBI is that he came home from hospital the same day. If it really was that serious then would the hospital let him home the same day? Just a genuine question. They are putting a lot of weight into this injury. As they are leaning into it as an explanation. I do feel for them even though there are clear indications of enabling. They did what they thought was right. There is no book.
Let’s just do the math… based on all the photos & videos of SA on Maddie would require many, many, many moments alone with Maddie over at least 4 years, unless Jennifer was aware. Since Jennifer barely ever worked & when she did it was part time, would equal only one thing… she was aware of what was going on because she was there all the time.
Exactly, you're right
Except the lead detective states himself that they went through EVERYTHING and there is no evidence the Jenn knew.
If Jen knew, Stephan's parents knew
You undermine just how calculating predators are. He would have chosen his moments carefully. He would had ample opportunities when her meds kicked in at night to have access to Maddie undisturbed. He may well of used moments too when Maddie was asleep with the help of her meds…these types of predators are very clever at the grooming process!
@April-xs9tk I think if the questioning was tougher, she might have admitted it I felt like there was too much tip toeing around jen.
Every time I hear this case being discussed I ask myself WHY the mother has not also been charged!
It’s gotta be coming…. I wanna know what Stephan is telling his lawyer about Jenn. He’s probably going to turn on Jenn soon
Thats very simple. Becasuse you need evidence to charge someone and the police couldn't find anything that would enable them to do so.
I call B.S. on the TBI - there was no hospital stay following the accident, he wasn’t followed by a Pediatric Neurologist for any # of years following the accident, etc… that makes 0 sense. I feel this was made up by the parents to use as an excuse for why SS acted in the many terrible ways that he did from ages 10 to 37. They said as soon as they learned that he was a lying, gas-lighter they immediately began to hold him accountable .. the Dr. asked them at what age they learned this & took these steps, and DS responded “when he was 35”. 🤦🏼♀️ 🤦🏼♀️
Parents are wierd IMO 😅
Someone said they had to move due to Stephan inappropriate behavior on a minor so his parents were will aware of his behavior and that he was a pedo
@@valansley yeah I thought they bred poodles but in the interview they say dobermans ?! Was this due to the fact they feel unsafe at the moment? Weird.
@DarkCriimes it was bs, to make the hecklers a bit nervous to get close to the house
Have you listened to his old friend interview on Gray Hughes's channel?
He mentioned that accident too.
Listening to Jennifer and Stephan say “killing time” makes my skin crawl every time I hear it.
I beleve that when Maddie told SS's mom about sleeping with JS abd SS as a funny story she was trying to tell DS what was happening.
She is not incent.. if Stephan,s mother wouldn’t let Maddie sleep in SS bed at her house and she told them that…. Jen is guilty don’t let the Stupid card fool them… Jen had 2 years of college.. she knew better and knew it’s wrong..
@@sassygirl5422 I agree that she’s guilty of neglecting her responsibilities as a parent. To what degree of guilt that she is past that in the eyes of the law is yet to be seen.
She does suffer mental illness though. Even if “only” bipolar. She’s medicated for that and other things. Tired and awful lot. Needs all of this extra sleep at times. Obviously doesn’t pay close attention enough, if she hadn’t a clue what was going on for YEARS. Yet had the thought process to claim that she relayed to SS that her worst fear was having things turn into a Woody Allen situation. Why would she say that if she at minimum SUSPECT he was abusing MS?
Going to college doesn’t make people not be neglectful and doesn’t make people not fabricate stories, (if that’s what she did). A lot of college educated people commit crimes and or just do stupid things in general.
What? The idea 22 people ‘liked’ this comment that makes ZERO sense is disturbing.
@@HiroForever 24 now 🤷♀️
@HiroForever It just proves common sense prevails.
She’s not as stupid and dumb as she looks and asks. Jenn is smart I believe but lets people think she’s slower cause it suits her needs and gets pitty.
I am afraid I disagree with you guys. If I had a son who did what SS is accused of re photos and SA I would not maintain any contact with him ever again. A parent who still spoils their offending son in jail for such offences is lending support for him and what he has done. IMO.
Exactly!!!!!!!
Amen!!!
Exactly this. You would still love your child, it's impossible not to, but to enable them? Support them? Treat them? Stand by them?? Hell no. These are the most grotesque and evil charges where there is absolute proof, it's not a case where they may the wrong person, or the charges aren't particularly serious. To continue to give him money and encouragement is disgraceful and inexcusable. That is just more terrible parenting. Poor Maddie was surrounded by failures of adults 😭
I wouldn't either. I would be grieving my lost child.
I would love them but not support them
She made and let Maddie be an easy target…
Her daughter was her compitition
Exactly what she thought
Sterns parents want to create this impression that Madeline loved being around their son. I don't believe it. They are trying to shift or put the blame on others.
You are correct, a bizarre family dynamic.
Being a Mother I would know by behavior if something was wrong with my child. I’m wondering if the meds were correct as well. Mandy had red flags. Sleeping in school is a big one!!
You knew that sleeping as school was a sign before this case and hearing it on Court TV or on GrizzlyTC?
Really you knew it?
I was always sleepy at school. It was the hardest thing to stay awake at those hours. Waking up early was the hardest thing for me and I would often leave school after my parents dropped me just so I could sleep. And I wasn't a victim like Maddie.
The perception is that a child victim would be sad, scared, avoidant of their a*er. Maddie was joyous, happy, loving towards Stephan. She went by herself to sleep near him. So it's hard to suspect something in that situation.
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Police off the cuff, thank you for all you do.
I'd expect a traumatic brain injury would at least spend one night in hospital, SS went home the same day ,his brain injury couldn't have been too traumatic . The parents haven't been completely honest, they have tried to cover up past creepy behaviour of SS and lied about stuff. Having said that, their son did this, not them, so I don't think they deserve to be threatened and harassed. From New Zealand 🇳🇿
You are very kind, thank you. I agree the parents don't deserve to be punished for the crimes of their son, but its an uncomfortable position to be in.
I'm a retired nurse, I saw trauma patients nearly every day. There's no way they would have sent him home from the hospital if it was a significant head injury. Especially being a child.
Thinking this will be his defense, traumatic brain injury as a child and never progressed after that.he has the mind of a 12yearold (collecting cards, buying toys)
@@sherylbarry9143 That is probably the only defense he has, not that it's a good one.
@@sherryjoiner396 thank you ,for clarity about that. I didn't think he'd have been sent home, my son had head injuries after a car accident, that changed his personality permanently, it wasn't classed traumatic, he was in hospital for over a week. The person doing that interview asked how long he was in hospital, the mother answered he didn't then glossed over it by saying something like I might have wanted him at home, which still doesn't gel in my mind because why would you not want your son to be looked after by health professionals if it's that bad. I appreciate your medical opinion.
Jen and Stephan rehearsed what they were going to say that much is obvious… and that alone should tell everyone Jen is guilty as hell….
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If she didn’t believe the pictures when she saw them.. she damn sure wouldn’t have believed Maddie. Even if Maddie had told her Jen wouldn’t have believed her and most likely Jen would’ve told SS what Maddie said..
I think you're right 😢
Why is no one seemingly concerned about WHEN Stephen told his parents that he "discovered" Maddies body?
When he was arrested , she was still considered a runaway. So, did he tell them that before he was arrested? If after, why haven't we seen that in released documents? The confession would have to be on the phone or in a written letter or email.
I also noticed this yet it didn’t seem to be addressed in any conversations or phone calls. Quite strange indeed
@darla896 right? It would be pretty important to know when he told them because prior to his arrest, Maddie was presumed alive. So if he told them before he was arrested, they were withholding that from the police. If he told them after, then why haven't we seen that in the communication records.
Can you please tell me where to find that? This is the first time I’m hearing that SS told his parents that.
@@DocBree13 1:42:02 on the HTC Exclusive Interview with Chris and Debra Sterns.
The problem is that DS & CS’s first interview with Detective Hunt just days after Maddie’s body was found, they were telling stories about themselves, how they met, laughing, joking, sharing memes with the detective. DS was even sort of flirting with the detective. In one breath they said they didn’t have a lot to do with JS & MS, then months later DS pretends she’s a grieving step-grandmother. I just see a lot of the behavioral stuff in DS that we see in SS; the fake tears is primary. In one breath she talks about how severe SS’s injuries were when hit by a truck, but states she refused to let the hospital keep him overnight because “germs”. There’s just some histrionics from DS.
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Don’t forget, it was Jenn Soto’s father who owned the house. Maddie’s own Grandfather! Can you imagine? What kind of grandfather allows his granddaughter to share a room with her mom & boyfriend? He couldn’t let Maddie have the extra room instead of trying to rent it out for money? That’s so weird to me. It’s important for tweens/teens to have their own space & privacy…especially a girl.
We only have Jenn’s word that he wouldn’t let Maddie have that room
rewatch crew! The Behavior Panel is streaming their take on JS's body language tomorrow the 26th!
Yessssss
I’m waiting for their take! Going to be good.
yes! 🎉
Woohoo!!'
It's not like the assault had just started. Times had been on going for at least 5 years. Look how careless he was. In her bedroom was a clothes basket. Madeline's dress is on the bottom and his boxers are right there in plain sight, on top. He had not been there for a couple of weeks. Those boxers should be on his butt. He just got there. He was not careful to hid the evidence of what he was doing to Madeline. When Jennifer was younger, she had visitors. They used a towel to clean up after $€x. She blazed them out for getting jiz on her towel. So she could see jiz on anything Stephan used. Madeline's clothes would be soiled. He did as he PLEASED. Jennifer didn't want to be alone and she kept him by allowing him to feast on her daughter. All she wanted to do was take her drugs and sleep. I think her depression was her main concern. Stephan was there to watch over Madeline encase Jennifer was too busy with herself. I think she really wanted to marry Tyler but his girlfriend at that time would not have it. So Jennifer got so depressed being alone ,pregnant, and no future. I think she medicates to stay numb. She once had a bright future and the pregnancy took that away. Instead of working her life differently she sank into a deep depression. She had different drugs for different reasons. When she was taking about Madeline's asthma inhaler she started to break down. I think she knows exactly how Madeline died. The lack of breath. She also made the comment she felt like she couldn't breath. But the inhaler caused her to react. Talking to police she gives hints about what happened with Madeline. She is there desperately trying to save her own behind. She really isn't trying to solve the problem of finding Madeline. She is try to defend herself. She is justifying her actions. They have to pull information out of her. She is even trying to take herself our of the target by pointing out Stephan a little. Tyler's wife called up a content creator and she said Madeline was not pregnant. But is that a fact or to just stop that idea.
I don't believe anyone called her. Why would they specifically call HER? She probably just wanted to stop the pregnancy rumors.
He may have just thought she was pregnant. That's enough of a motive.
Linda- you absolutely nailed this.
Jenn was trying to save her own butt.
There’s no telling what other kind of deviant behavior that his parents or Jenn saw , and will never come to light.
Where did you hear the jiz story?
And idk how much of a confirmation the step moms statement is but I feel like even if its true, that doesnt mean Jenn & Stephan didnt think she was. I have a weird feeling Jen wanted SS to come back to Orlando so thats what she told him. It was a lie to bate him back. Thats why he was agitated when he left his Dads house to go to Jens. He believed her and freaked out and did something crazy. She was the one that triggered it with her lie and so they both realized they were going to be screwed. Thats when they came up with their dumb story.
Beautifully said and I think that contact creator is just trying to stop the accusations. She just started right when the case happened so I think she’s trying to come out with something before anyone else has. I’m not the only one that thinks this. “ The pregnancy rumor “ has not made breaking news on any channel and let’s think about this logically, why would Tyler’s wife or anyone who knows the absolute truth is gonna call this one RUclipsr who just started out and creating right when the Soto case happened, then to call somebody who has been out there, is reputable, has got a way bigger platform. It doesn’t make any sense . it’s a damn shame is what it is. I no longer will be watching her content myself.
You have many fans Mike. You and Bill make an amazing team with such a wealth of knowledge.
Thank you Judy
Thank you! Bill and I actually study up on the subjects before a show, drawing on our law enforcement experience
Maddie’s mom ignored her mother’s concern AND Stephan’s mom who both said something to her about Stephan sleeping wih Maddie. The grandfather never advocated for Maddie when he knew that Maddie didn’t have her own bedroom because he is the landlord of the townhouse.
I agree that the grandfather should have allowed Maddie to have her own permanent room, regardless of whatever renters came and went. He should have insisted. He failed her too.
Unbelievable how anyone can stay so calm and cool and lie and lie
"Denial is powerful". And so is stupidity. The combination is explosive.
CS-DS Mr.&Mrs Blamers N Enablers CS revealed who he is saying: too bad he wasn’t smart enough with his phone. They’re only sorry he got caught and now the world knows all about their monster. DS is horrible. The only victim is Maddie. Their excuses are ridiculous and self serving. It’s disrespectful to Maddie’s memory.
I’ve heard interviews on another channel with people who knew them and one described Debra as “the most vile, racist person” he’d ever known. Also said parents were aware of CSAM on Stephan’s computer YEARS ago. This rings true to me.
Thank you Bill for covering the Soto case. Love your shows😊
Wouldn't it make more sense for Jenn to be in the middle when they slept together? Why did Jenn allow Maddie to be in the middle? Why did she think that was okay? And she even admits waking up to find Maddie and Stephan cuddling and thought that was okay too. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS WOMAN?! And if she was raised to never trust a man and was afraid "this" would turn into a Woody Allen thing, why the hell did she send Maddie to sleep alone with Stephan? Why did she trust HIM? Jennifer contradicts herself.
I wondered that, too! I'll never condone those sleeping arrangements, but letting Maddie in the middle made it weirder than it already was!
@@WordsBloom the only sense to have been made would have been for Madeline to be sleeping in her own bed, and especially while JS was sharing her bed with a man and for JS to NEVER have allowed ANY man to be sleeping in the same room, let alone the same bed with her child. But we can’t go back and unscramble those eggs.
Jennifer is a person who suffers from several forms of depression. She once had a bright future. Then she was pregnant, alone, and in a very bad place. I think she really wanted to marry Tyler. That time line is confusing. But he went on and married Titiana. I think she really dislikes Jennifer. She keeps Tyler in the dog house even now. I think she even kept the visits with Madeline to a limit. She knew along with Madeline came contact with Jennifer. You can hear that fear he might have messed up with the hug he gave Jennifer at the funeral. He skates on thin ice in his marriage.
@@lindaglover7088 Jennifer definitely has poor mental hygiene.
I can see a side of this that some others maybe can’t.
My mother also suffered mental illness, presumably due to head trauma at a young age as well as that her own mother passed away while my mother was a young teen.
My mother had a total of 5 children. The first two, being my older brother and me, who she walked away from when I was 2 months old. (My brother was 20 months.) She went on to have our 3 siblings. The middle of those three passed away.
In speaking with my youngest sibling it’s clear to me that our mother didn’t grasp the concept of what it truly meant to be a mother.
I began my parenting career early, (I was barely 18 years old). My second child passed away at 3.5 months. (My eldest at that time was 3.5 years.)
This sent me into a downward spiral and I had to step back and get my own mental health and life in check. It wasn’t easy and relinquishing custody to my children’s father was the hardest, and in the situation that followed was the worst thing I could have done.
I fought for many years to get my child back although I always had regular visits with her and I was never not in her life.
Years went by, I remarried, and eventually had my 3rd child.
My two children are grown.
Sadly, both of my grown children struggle with their mental health, as do I still from time to time. Many people do.
But we’re all making it…sometimes faking it so we can make it another day. By the grace of almighty God, we’re here.
It’s so easy for people that aren’t in the soup to know all of the right ingredients.
While I sit here and wonder why the heck this woman did what she did, I also look back and ask myself what the hell was wrong with me. Why couldn’t I get my ish together and deal with life. (Notice, no question mark? Why? Because I don’t have the answers.
In regards to Jennifer, we likely will never know. She might never know, except to say that she thought SS cared for Maddie the same way she did and that answer will never be understandable or acceptable in the eyes of John and Jane Q public.
As for the reasons for her mental issues… again, who knows?
In this true crime genre many people are just here for the story and they want to know and have all of the answer that solve the riddle, until the next big story comes along. They want the story to go the way they want the story to go and they want to name all of the villains and be the judge, jury, and executioner.
For some of us, it hits home like a cat 5 hurricane.
As for Mr. Wallace, I know a lot of people feel sorry for him and his wife. As a vilomah, myself… that’s relatable.
The phone interview show/phone interview that he put on, as it turns out didn’t sit well with many people from what I can gather. I actually even had a bit of second hand embarrassment for him when the detectives shut him down on the banter. Even they seemed to think it was an act of story by how they spoke with him about it.
In my unprofessional and unsolicited opinion, he was attempting to 1) put on a show for the wife, 2) make sure to point out that his PDA toward Jennifer was a show for the cameras in case it made it to media where the wife might catch wind, and 3 paint Jennifer out to be the villain of all villains and make his woe is me story front page news.
As a parent who did not have custody of her child and made the choice to move to another state, I had an option between sitting around and making my former look like the villain and cry because I didn’t get to see my kid, or save every penny I could and get on the docket to establish out of state visit rights. I chose the latter because my child nattered to me. Her, (my daughter’s), father was and is an ass but he didn’t and doesn’t need me beating that into the heads of everyone who’ll listen. He’s done a fine job of that all on his own. But, I’m sure he would say the same about me.
In these types of situations it’s all about the perspective of the people listening after the fact. The people who don’t have, “skin in the game”, as Mrs. Sterns put it.
Both Ms. Soto and Mr. Wallace had a job and neither of them followed through and did their job. Maddie was a victim for every one of her 13 years.
There admittedly wasn’t even a repreive from that victimhood during the 4 days or more…if there ever actually were more, that she spent with Mr. and Mrs. Wallace. Not when the Mrs. was putting poor Maddie in the position to have to stand up for her own mother toward another adult in her life.
That’s just absolutely sickening to me.
That’s the type of thing that makes me hope against all else that the Mr. can keep his pants zipped from now on so he doesn’t bring yet another unwanted child into this world that will have to deal with the likes of his wife.
@@lindaglover7088 None of that explains why Jenn allowed her daughter to be in bed with a grown man.
These parents have accepted that their son is a lunatic a very long time ago. Hence their support is unwavering and it makes perfect sense to me. I feel empathetic towards them
I can’t believe they took the top of his jumpsuit and tied it around his waist to look like a giant diaper. 😅😂
Those man titties are an image I’ll never be able to unsee. 😣
Poor Madeline.
LOL
I’m very sorry but I honestly don’t feel sorry for them.
You are truly correct, I can’t even imagine how they must be feeling. But if I’m being honest I can’t listen to them.
The professor said it’s the “nature” of parents to always want to “take care of their children” and I agree when they are CHILDREN. It’s the parent’s responsibility to raise their children to be independent, self-sufficient adults, not to continue taking care of them. This behavior only creates a dysfunctional adult-child like SS. At 37 years old, he was not holding down a job and his parents were paying his rent!
Now they’ve learned he’s not only a Pedofile but a Child Murderer and what do they do? They send him money in jail so he can have his treats.
I have a 37 year old son also and if I found out he did those things I would be grieving the loss of my son, along with the life of the child he took. I would not “support him unconditionally” as the parents defiantly said they would do. I pray for justice for Maddie!!!
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Watching the replay. Thanks Bill and Mike for your information and valuable analysis 💙💙!!
So, so delighted to find more than a 5-10 min posting. Bill, you are the best! Love all of your videos, but your “full episodes “ are the best. ❤
Glad you enjoy it!
He took the trash out either the night before or "the morning of".....the morning of what? I think that's a slip.
Congratulations on passing 75k!
She gave Maddie to the wolf
Blood is thicker than water
Most parents I believe would still want to help their kid even under horrible circumstances
He is not a child.
Fantastic questioning the that detective....a very skilled and caring professional.
She sent Maddy upstairs! And then saying she didn’t know…. Wow😮
Stefan is really taking these detectives for dummies, he really thinks he can fool anyone
They have the evidence on their side
Hello, that video frustrated me to know end. They made some outlandish comments and were not challenged. They just sat there nodding. He had TBI and walked out of the hospital after an hour. Madeline telling the Stern's about the sleeping arrangements was a cry for help. She told in the only way she could, but it wasn't picked up. Jennifer did at the very minimum thought he was capable of molesting her child, why else would she of given him that Woody Allen nonsense?
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Frustrated me also I feel like they didn’t take enough accountability for what there monster did
My "Dad" was my biggest, longest perpetrator; from at least the age of 4 to 16. My "Mom" was severely abusive and neglectful in every way except sexually. When she was told when I turned 16. She denied it, took his side, protected him. She made comments that she couldn't believe that he ever...she didn't want them to put out my name in the news... they'd arrest my "dad" put him in the brig and bust his rank and dishonorable discharge BAM! SHE ENABLED HIM for the benefits, retirement and the $$$. He allowed her to abuse and neglect so he could have me! EVEN WHEN BOTH were told about the other, NEITHER did anything for me! In my adult life, they still controlled me for years! (What I could say, who I could hangout with, where I could go... telling other family members and friends that I had problems, blaming a school I went to one year of highschool, etcetera. To this day, NO ONE has been held accountable and responsible! To this day, I have NOT been validated or vindicated. I am a "nobody" THIS happened in multiple states, many times, many ways. Now, although they were the biggest abusers and very neglectful, there were also other "family members" a cousin, my Mom's stepdad, a neighbor (good friends with Mom) her son.
I hope that you have received counseling and have gotten help for this horrendous abuse you suffered.
He is such a liar. He does not care if Maddie is found for her family. Thank God for the person that noticed him from when he was off the road changing the tire.
Among all the other horrors Maddie’s “room” was a cordoned off section of the lounge, and seemingly anything but private.
I very rarely catch you Live, but I watch replay from Gold Coast Australia 🇦🇺
Jen’s father wanted the bedrooms rented.. greedy . Puts his own granddaughter out to sleep with mom
And boyfriend. Disgusting family
We don’t really know that - we just know that Jenn said that
WHEN MADDIES GRANDFATHER LIVED THERE SHE HAD HER OWN ROOM & SLEP THERE NO PROBLEM..JEN IS 100% GUILTY
SHE CHANGED THE ENVIRONMENT,SHE KNEW & LET IT HAPPEN
Monsters mothers are monsters.
Listened to live while working. Thanks to both of you for presenting and allowing dignity at the same time.
Thank you for watching and your kind comments. We want to be as fair as possible to the Stearns.
What the hell did she need him for? He couldn't even take care of himself, so it couldn't be that she relied on him for financial support. They didn't have an exciting romantic life and weren't intimate all that frequently, so it wasn't for this reason. I believe she just wanted to be able to tell people she had a man in her life! Some women just have to have a man in their lives no matter how awful the relationship is! JS failed her responsibility as a caring, loving mother!
Maddie was their money maker. Of course she knew
Sadly it‘s likely. I don‘t know if Jenn knew but she obviously was aware of SS having money without officially working. So it could be just another „I don‘t want to look into it, I just need enough sleep“ or she did know, I can‘t tell but she totally failed as a mother, that much I know!!
@@877swissmiss she spent the money
Jen didn’t give a shit about Maddie
@Cheryl F if you’re in the comments…the man that saw SS said the spare (donut) was on the car. That SS appeared to be ducking behind the side of the car as to not be seen. He said SS was holding the tire iron. Bits of the tire were found at the site where Maddie was found.
That's absolutely true
@@PoliceofftheCuff Hi, thank you, and thank you for the great live streams. Your channel is top notch! I appreciate and look forward to lives and videos from you.
Thank you for tuning in to the podcast!
@@MichaelGeary-m8y you’re welcome. It’s very refreshing to tune in. I look forward to your shows.
She should be charged because she didn't protect her daughter around a stranger she really knew nothing about
Parents can’t help what their grown children do. They are pitiful.
Love your channel
Thank you appreciate that
Commentators suggesting that JS had a obligation to protect the deceased underage victim, MS. What about the biological male parent, simply because he puts distance between him and his offspring doesn’t give him any excuse from liability to protect his underage kid. If he had adequate communication with her, where she felt confident that she could communicate the fact that she was violated by someone Of close proximity.😊
The biological father did not live in the household.
@@PoliceofftheCuff , I pointed out with my comment, that the biological father had distance between his biological daughter, the deceased victim. Simply because you’re a bit of an absentee parent, doesn’t absolve you of your parental responsibilities or duties.
Always a good show.
Fly high in Heaven, Sweet Maddy🌹🩷🧸
I am actually shocked at how many RUclips creators these parents reached out to! What in the world are they thinking?! This interview did them no favors. It was so completely tone deaf, I have to imagine that any harassment they’re receiving would get worse. I hope Deb doesn’t have to replace many more of her business cards. 🙄
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@@valansley 100%. I unsubscribed from HTC for platforming them. Gross.
The cahannel reachd out to them, right?
I am shocked on how many channels chooce to talk about them when they have nothing to do with what happened.
Just found your channel. AWSOME show !!!
What I find interesting is, NO ONE, has blamed JS's father, JUAN for causing some of the problem. Juan owned the home. Home's have mortgages, HOA fees, real estate taxes etc. Juan, turned the home, into a rooming house to collect rent to pay for the home's expenses. So, why didn't Maddie have a room? Because she was living in a rooming house with a mother who was oblivious to everything around her.
Yes! Let' blame everyone for what Stephan did.
Great commentary on this case! It’s incredibly sad! She knew. The “Woody Allen” theory that Jenn feared that Stephen would marry Maddie when she was 18 (legal). Like Soon Ye, Allen’s adopted daughter he married..That says it all! Prof Mike is spot on!
Mom Sterns (Debra) was subtlety suggesting that sending Maddie to Stephan's bed sort of mitigated what he did, ie Jen should have known that would result in a sexual issue (please). Yes I totally get Jenn's negligence and stupidity......but what Stephan did was heinous and not partially because he was "fed" a young girl who needed a place to sleep. Clearly Jenn is guilty of criminal negligence (and I expect charges eventually)......but don't dare suggest big boy Steph was just a guy with hormones put in a bad situation.
I love my son to the ends of the earth but I would not support him in prison by sending money to make his prison life better after raping a little girl for years and finally taking her life. No. These parents have enabled his deviant /criminal behavior and continue today. All he had was time on his hands since he never had to work to support himself. Mom and dad were always there to pay his rent, food, car, medical insurance, access to credit cards. He didn’t have a worry in the world.
These poor parents tried to raise their child as best they could,Stephan was the monster ,
Stefan’s friend called it right he said that Stefan was into cartoon characters of children doing nasty things at some animated characters
I’m a clinical psychologist who has conducted clinical studies in forensic disability, forensic mental illness & prison. I’m not supporting or excusing Steffen Sterns in any way whatsoever, however there is a significant amount of evidence that indicates people who have a traumatic brain injury have very diminished impulse control. Other issues that people who have a TBI include: suggestibility, poor decision making, arrested psychological development, repetitive behaviours, anger management issues & a plethora of other co-morbidities.
Steffen deliberately groomed Jennifer Soto to get access to Maddie.
My heart goes out to Maddie; she had nobody who cherished, loved & protected her. I cry every time I see an interview about Maddie. 😪😪😪😪😪
Yes I agree with you ..everyone hates on Dr Dorothy Lewis but her research is proven over and over again ..until we as a society see and accept the truth about how monsters are created ww will never get a handle on it . He had it all tbi , dominate mother who infantalsized him , pretty much absent or passive father ..n I wonder about the genetics .
Maddie’s own mother claims to know nothing so why would the Sterns suspect their son would do something so horrific?
Especially since they sae Maddie rarely and they weren't even living in the same town.
They knew he had those images of kids on his computer. He was peeping on his neighbors, took pics of his friend’s gf in the shower. What did they do? They paid every one for their silence! They are despicable and dishonest. Jen knew as well.
P.S. and then there's the unaliving charges! Another reason never to speak to him again!
Maddy’s mom was dumpy, she offered her daughter to him to keep the creep around.
Helen Keller could see he was abusing her.
Great topic and great segment, Bill and Mike~!
At that age my son had his own bedroom and his own bathroom… poor Maddie😔🥺
Why wouldn't you interview them if they reached out to you? I'm sure you'd treat them fairly and with respect regardless how you feel, and it would help your channel grow. I, for one, would LOVE to watch an interview with you and the Sterns. DO IT! Please.
Perhaps they are angry will Bill and wouldn't do an interview with him. I think they only wanted to do hidden true crime which imo is one of the worst podcasts. Dr John is extremely boring.
I asked them o come on my show, they declined after appearing on Hidden True Crime.
@@PoliceofftheCuff Oh, I thought you declined them. Sorry.
@@debivanmarterYes I find Dr. John and his wife mind-numbingly boring.
Wonder if they were paid?@@PoliceofftheCuff
Ridiculous to blame anyone by Stephan himself. Period. Jen was neglectful
The one thing I have not heard mentioned.Where was mattie when the other two were intimate
This Mother is Guilty. How could she not be? Jmo
I agree
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Sgt Bill, what about Child Endangerment? Regardless of any knowledge or involvement of what happened to darling Maddie, surely Jenn is "guilty" of Child Endangerment?
Well done, Sgt William Cannon and Professor Michael Geary, brilliant show !!! Truth revealed, thank you for being a light shining in the darkness.👏
Agree with Professor Michael Geary about Stephan Sterns' parents. Parenting is for
a lifetime, yes, their son has committed horrific crimes. If they abandon Stephan Sterns completely? Then, they do not fulfil their role as parents. Think of the parable of the prodigal son in my spiritual senses. This is the clear message of that parable. Yes, judicial consequences need to be served on Stephan Sterns, although Stephan Sterns' parents still need to continue their parenting skills and show parental love in all ways possible.
If we can try and put ourselves in Stephan Sterns' parents' shoes, walk a mile in my shoes, then maybe that will stop us from condemning them.
If only people would turn to God's Holy Word, parenting skills can be found in the Lords word.
We are in God's classroom of learning. Rest in peace, Madeline Soto. Feel sure you are safe in Heaven, where peace and love reigns forever. Amen, so be it. 🙏🙏🙏
❤ thank you for sharing your thoughts and your time with us. Special hi to Sgt Bill, Professor Geary and Phil ❤
Why is this girl being shuffled from stephans parent slept with maddie her biodad stated a maddie sandwich sleeping with current wife and sleeping with her and stephan. Thats a very red flag. No privacy at all. She had her own room and still slept with her grandma???!!! 13 years old And the rent for the room was more important. Willing to let sleep in a makeshift room over some rent. That comment came from jennifer!!!! Wow!
I wish the cop had called her out more on the Woody Allen comment. Asked her if she thought their relationship was along those lines.
Stephen’s mother NEVER had that conversation with Jenn or Stephan. She is a creepy liar just like her son!
How do you know she never did?
@@lunaticairina it is an obvious lie
Stephan seems really jealous when he mentions the school crush.
The mother definitely tried her hardest to shift ALL blame into J and M.
As if SS was driven to do what he did
True. Hypothetically, if for some whack reason a kid had to sleep with a grown up man every single night of her life, she should be safe. She would be safe if the guy was normal and not a predator freak. Stephan is the one who made the decisions each and every time to hurt, violated and abuse a little innocent child. He's 100% the reason it occurred. But part 2 is that the mom should be last line of defense to ensure her baby is not ever put in that vulnerable position. Especially with a dude who has shown a million signs that he's not your normal dude.
@@lisamh9037exactly!
It’s also as if DS knows what he did, knows M is gone, knows what’s on the phone… yet can still call him an empathetic person and can’t connect the two.
One side of her says that’s my son, the other says he’s a monster. But she never meets them in the middle.
Like when she talks about the sleeping arrangements, it’s everybodys fault. Which may, be true. But the USB was ‘in his possession’ “why did he have that?”
Not - it’s truly horrific he owned that USB and kept it in our house.
She can never group him with the atrocities
Does anyone believe Deborah told Jenn to tough love Maddie with a lock? Sorry. I don't buy it
No me neither
No. They saw and knew SS and all that weird behavior
I believe her because she didn’t allow the behavior to happen in her home.
Chris Stern apparently had a second life and his partner sent him a hustler and Chris Stearns in this interview Kristian and his wife in this interview say there never been a hustler in their house. All this boy ever known is love which mimics what Chris what Stephen has said about Maddie he’s now saying about Chris or Chris is now saying about his son.
My family including my parents would disown me
His parents could have been closed mouth and not said anything. The fact that they are telling us what happened and how they feel about things gives us a lot of insight into the family dynamics, it gives us a lot of insight into Stephan, Jenny and Maddie which we would not otherwise have if they had not spoken up. I think people should go easy on them.
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I 100% believe Jen knew what was happening and she did it because she knew Stephan would bother her for intimacy that she didn’t want. I just cannot understand any reason for the set up they had apart from Jen knew.
Hi new here. Jen absolutely knew what he was doing. She allowed it and by mentioning woody Allen . It was as she warned him he could do that as long as he didn’t leave her for Maddie. That was her concern 😡
I blame Jen! She was the mom and it was her house and she was the one that allowed the access SS had to Maddie. Jen used Maddie to keep SS around for whatever sick toxic needy reasons she had. You said the entire situation was not proper. You are correct. Jen’s impropriety and immorality exposed Maddie to a life she should have been shielded from.
I haven't seen every clip on the case but there was some things I haven't heard before:
1) The money, he was getting money from somewhere (we all are having that fear that he is selling phones and God knows what else)
2) At the end Debbie says: he said he went out to blow of some stem and when he came back she was.. Cold?
So he is talking...
Yes!
I'm shocked no one is addressing that comment! That to me is an admission of guilt, and I'm sure SS attorney isn't happy about that, altho I'm glad DS stated that
I have been tough on these two because they knew SS had mental problems. I feel they should have done more to interfere with SS once they discovered inappropriate behavior from their son. I agree Jenn should be charged. I believe they wanted to be grandparents. However, again, they had a great influence on him. They could have demanded he live elsewhere or no support. No money in prison until you confess it all to LE. They are empowering his bad behavior. Especially the father has said things about Maddie that enranged me. In no way did Maddie deserve any of this. She did not entice or behave inappropriately as a child her age who isn't being manipulated by a fiend.
Everything they said about SS told me he should not be around children. They knew more about him that they let Jenn know. Not team Jenn either so don't go there.
Come on, the Disney Chanel? Is like $15 dollars. Nice to play grandparents but you follow up. Your son was that man and you cannot blame mom for his behavior.
Jen is not thinking normally. There is something very wrong with her. In a sense, she is very infantile. I’m a school psychologist and behavior analyst and this is my opinion.
I agree with you. All those meds and probably illegal drugs that she continues to put in her system perhaps is the reason preventing her from doing what a normal person would do in this situation.
2 years of college. She’s playing dumb
@@MariaKoroleva.Realtor I agree. There is nothing normal in JS behavior. She is masking herself and using drugs to numb her brain. Her anxiety, depression, and bipolar disorder symptoms have not shown in any of her interviews, which is a huge indicator that she is numb on drugs. Is the same behavior from her initial interview. Not normal, being deceitful, in denial, even when presented with facts she easily move away from reality, and that is because she is not in her real sense of life, she is hiding herself behind those drugs. Her behavior, not her words in que moments of her. Interviews are giving her away, they are really brief, but you got silence the interview and watch her actions, go back to her other. Interviews and watch the patterns. She definitely is acting and using drugs to keep her calm during her interviews, but reactions cannot always be controlled.
Mine to and as a bpd I see bpd all over her ..and her mother seems toxic ..cold domineering narcissistic even. I was misdiagnosed for years as bipolar getting a correct diagnosis as bpd was a game changer for me ..I bet she is misdiagnosed as well.
If Madeline saw SS as a boyfriend then why did she tell the Guidance counselor that he makes her feel uncomfortable. Why did no one hear her?
Is that something that we know from the police? From all the pictures she seemed happy around him.
And there are messages between them.
@@lunaticairina it was in the police interview with Maddie's school guidance counselor
Why didn't she call CPS? she would be a mandated reporter. Ugh! Nobody listened to her!
@@vidyaroy1627 Danm good question!!!!
Mel Stiller, your mod, wrote a poem from Madeline's perspective and it was absolutely disgusting
Jen and Stephan rehearsed what they were going to say that much is obvious… and that alone should tell everyone Jen is guilty as hell….
Absolutely! And the fact that they BOTH spoke of Maddi with closed ended statements all the time. "I can't do anything", "I don't know anything", "WE knew it was never gonna end" - if you care you are going through any and everything in your brain that can help. You wouldn't immediately jump to say her laptop be traced like Jenn did. You would HOPE it could, you would try. Just like Jenns family in that moment, innocent and hopeful they said "well, what if it's connected to wifi? Maybe it could get traced."
I really hope and wish for these types of cases that they take in specialists, that can break these perpetrators down properly. I don't think SS and JS are particularly mentally strong. They would cave.
That's right four hours in that car together while the detectives were in the condo
She still had him around after knowing what he did and after seeing the SA photos
She's a Pig
I agree, they had time to think about their story before Stefan was arrested. If Stefan says that Jen knew nothing about the abuse and she says that she never saw any abuse going on, it may be harder for LE to prove otherwise, in terms of what Jen actually knew. I think Jen will have charges filed against her, at the very least 'failure to protect', by allowing Maddie to sleep in the same bed with Sterns.
Agree. It sounded to 'pat' to be genuine
@PoliceOffTheeCuff at 16:36 The hammer drops..IMO There are many more complacent people pretending to be parents. Jenn Soto is going to be the poster child of them all. When a crime as horrific as the fatal obsession SS had for 13y3day old Maddie rears its ugly head it's pitch forks and torches, rightfully so. I object to the term Pedophile. That means lover of children. IMO it makes the mental illness sound not as bad. I wish we could call it some thing else like woodchipper.
All I can say about the TBI is that he came home from hospital the same day. If it really was that serious then would the hospital let him home the same day? Just a genuine question. They are putting a lot of weight into this injury. As they are leaning into it as an explanation. I do feel for them even though there are clear indications of enabling. They did what they thought was right. There is no book.
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