Shoulder Press ALONE Enough for HUGE Side Delts? with Hypertrophy Coach Joe Bennett
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Been training 29 years, read alot of magazines and in modern times watched alot of videos, and absolutely NO ONE explains how to train with maximum efficiency/effectiveness like you do, absolutely fantastic information/videos you provide
Check out Ryan Humiston. He’s got a lot of great, well researched and tested info. He even uses an eeg to test what exercises promote the most muscular force through electrical impulses. He’s hilarious as well.
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@@Sleepy_spartan717ryan humiston is just a pseudo intellectual gym rat. These guys are way more knowledgable. Not hating but humiston is more click baity and popular cuz hes huge in my opinion. Still a good source tho for sure.
Nice explanation and good to take in every little detail on where exactly to position for the best results. I really enjoyed this video
This is pure gold.
You must do a very detailed video on pullover machines. Movement, types of grip for back or chest priority, brands etc. I’d love to see one.
@Hypertrophy Coach hello, could you make a video about vertical leg press and how to use it in the best way?
Hey Coach, in one of your videos, you demonstrate lateral raises and explain why instead of doing the pouring water action, you just lean forward a little bit to bring the side delts on top. Is there a way to mimic that with cables while lying on the bench? I know you could just stand and do them, but I feel a much better stimulus when doing them lying against a bench.
Also, do you think lateral raises should be done in the scapular plane or just bring your arms out to the side just fine?
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Smith machine is a joint grinder.
So the primary muscle being worked is still anterior delt in this overhead press becuae its directly under the load pulling up? Does external rotation change the musculature?
if we were to overhead press from a narrow grip to a wide grip (on top) pushing out, how would this change mechanics of the lift and what muscles would be more emphasized. so instead of directly pressing up we are pressing from narrow to abduction into roughly scapular plane?
some said when performing a shoulder press , when the bar position is under the ear, it is mostly the front delt involving, and when the bar position is over the ear, it is mostly the side delt involving, does this make sense?
The way I see it is, how often will you be able to progress on side laterals and rear delt flies compared to the overhead press. Not much, the overhead press and upright rows are the only exercises that allow you to overload over time. I have been stuck doing lateral raises with 30lbs for the past year, just tweaking the form a bit. However you are always better off doing it all!
I ❤ physics. Thank you for breaking this down in this manner. I would pay you everything in my wallet to do this for compound lifts.
I do agere with you!
However I think you missed the bottom position of say a standing military press. If I look at my own shoulder my lateral head, will do almost the same movement as a lateral raise up until the bar reaching my head, and then from my head and up it’s purely anterior deltoid & triceps
Id say that because your hands are pointing up your lateral head moves with the humerus so the direction they contract at becomes different.
Some guy on a bodybuilding forum said you’re a good RUclipsr, let’s see
Only works the way you have explained if you start the movement with a 90 degree elbow at head height.
We then have a further argument. Will the side delts 50-60% activation achieved in the OHP be worked harder and achieve greater results to growth with heavy presses or 20lbs side lateral raises.
In an ideal world hit both but if you have a busy life outside the gym OHP will still get you some nice side delts.
so what rom to stay in to emphasize the side delt keep 90 and above?
Does front raises work just as effective as a shoulder press?
If by saying work as effectively you mean front delt hypertrophy, then probably no. Raises (with dumbbells or barbells) mostly train your muscles in shortened position which is the "least hypertrophic". If you use cables then it may be just as effective in my opinion as doing presses
No, front raises do hit the clavicular pecs quite well, I wouldn't rely on them for front delts.
As much as it isn't enough by itself, it definitely helps. Just like it helps triceps, and in other angles, the upper chest. Anterior delts are so easy to grow that i consider it a no brainer to do compound work only, and get most value out of training them. Lateral raises + OHP is more stimulus than doing lateral raises alone.
Personally, i do my anterior delts work in a separate day from my lateral delts, which allows me to get that extra volume in.
Bro doing videos while his emergency generator is lighting the gym lol joking. This channel is the shit no matter what.
Focus on lighting on your video.. rest all good
1:19 "Pull ups are working when you are doing a biceps"
yes coach
You seem like an easy going guy.
Yea. Happens when you don’t script anything. 🤷♂️
Id say that presses are EQUALY training both front and lateral delts. Just put your hand on your muscles and feel them expand and contract.
The whole line of opposition/plane/skeleton explanation is long winded and just incorrect. Its not like one group starts working while the other stops; they work in unison to make your bones moves. You can make micro adjustments and put intention on one group more than the other but doing presses will make both grow, simultaneously.
Now, if you are lacking in one or the other, thats when more isolating moves come in like raises or flyes. And therein lies the answer; 'ISOLATING' moves. Presses are not isolation moves and, in particular, overhead pressed use both heads, more or less, equally.
nothing you said answers the mechanics explained in the video. there was no claim that muscles work alone. also, their planes are significantly different and you can indeed FEEL the difference in length of the anterior delts way more than the lateral ones.
@@98danielray what if i only do ohp, face pulls will i grow 3d delts ?
Mans sounds like he talks in sped up.
Then listen to Shethar Training too blow your mind
This is only half the story. To reach lockout with a fully supported should girdle they have to contract quite hard.
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