Simple Test for Chondromalacia (Patellofemoral Pain Syndrome)
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Famous Physical Therapist's Bob Schrupp and Brad Heneick describe the simple test they do to help determine whether or not a patient has Patellofemoral Pain Syndrome- which could be chondromalacia patellae. You can do this yourself.
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I was once diagnosed with chondromalacia patallae, caused not by misaligned tracking of the knee cap but by "lazy" (slow) tracking, due to misfiring of the quads caused by a "slack" rectus femoris; at least that's how the physiotherapist explained it to me. The doc felt the roughness under the knee cap by rubbing it firmly from side to side while my leg was flat on the table. Luckily for me, I was pain-free in about week after doing straight leg raises with a few pounds strapped to my foot.
Prior to being told about the leg raises, another physio diagnosed patella tendonitis (the pain is usually in the same area) and told me to rest, ice and stretch, but that treatment did nothing after a month.
I could be wrong on the following, but: I suspect it's better doing the leg raises while lying down; in other words, starting with the leg lined up with the upper body prior to raising it. Either that, or standing and kicking out from a weighted wall pulley that's close to the floor. I guess that doing the movement this way doesn't tighten the hip flexors too much, whereas standing and kicking up passed 90 degrees might, due to the extra hip flexion.
My injury occurred about 25 years ago, and sneaks back in minor way every few years, at which time it quickly goes away after doing the leg raises again. Yes, I probably should do them all the time, but, well, you know...life sometimes gets in the way. :-)
In my humble, uneducated opinion, the "regular" chondromalacia that I had gets overlooked too often in favour of misalignment (PTFS), and I'm not sure why.
Thanks for sharing your experience
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Very useful comment. Thanks.
How the therapist find the bad mechanic of the movement, was it a special exam? Pls help me im in pain and no doctor nor physical therapist have found out what's happening
Came here due to knee pain .... mind blown at 1:40! LOL ... those glasses!!!! 🤓
Jody Mack back when I worked for someone my boss had those same glasses and people would crack up every single time he would put them on.
Lol
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This was great, I have been researching "tenderness around knee cap" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Have you ever come across - Jeneah Lansaiah Framework - (do a google search ) ? Ive heard some super things about it and my colleague got great results with it.
Cheers for this, I've been looking for "get rid of knee pain running" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Have you heard people talk about - Jeneah Lansaiah Framework - (Have a quick look on google cant remember the place now ) ? Ive heard some decent things about it and my neighbour got amazing results with it.
Thank you for the wonderful demonstration.
I just want to add something, Quadriceps strengthening exercises with the emphasis on the quadriceps and hip abductors in my opinion are probably the best long-term solution for this condition.
Im so glad I found this. I recently started suffering from this and it’s painful just to sit up. It makes squatting near impossible.
Hey. How's it going?
What did you do?
PS it hurts even to walk on level ground. Forget about stairs lol
Right! Did yours get better?
@@jefflawrence5835 hurt my knee just heavy lifting over the years at work, turns out it’s 90% likely it’s this, however it’s been a month of this and it’s almost a constant aching pain no matter what time of day... is it the same for you?
@@zestymushr00m85 i'm an orderfiller for W, been doing heavy lifting jobs my whole life but they've been pushing me +harder for 6 months now and i feel my knees are just ready to go.. ice 20 mins on off at night, and i feel good the next day.. but a few hours in i feel an achy almost burny feeling in the lower outside corner aside the kneecap, and yes it just seems to come back randomly throughout the day
What do y’all think i have, i can jog and walk fine but when it comes to jumping and doing things with it bent it hurts
mine it happens when i go cycling and not even always, it happens sometimes then it takes 2-3 days to go away, mine hurts in the knee down to my shin
I asked before BUT NO ANSWER ...what about no pain when walking or bending. Or exercising ..severe lightening pain whenever it wants..laying..sitting..sometimes standing.last 30 sec. Or so..sometimes everyday sometimes not...nothing therapists have done to knee has caused pain..no clicking..or catching..only severe quick sharp pain out of nowhere
I don’t feel pain from bending, walking or going up stairs. I feel the pain from jogging, jumping and going down stairs. My left inner knee at the bottom kind of next to the knee cap.
Could be patellar tendinitis bro
Sounds like runners knee
i am having the same symptoms like you. howz ur condition now. what measures did you take.
You guys are the best. You helped me to get rid of my mother’s back pain
Thank you, Bob an Brad! I’m a 13 year old girl soccer player,and it turned out i have chondromalacia and soft cartilage in my right knee, and i’m gonna do physical therapy for a while. I’m gonna call the man who owns the gym in my hometown, Tvøroyri, and if he don’t know what i can do for my knee pain, i’ll have to go to the doctor AGAIN. I’ve been at the doctor’s office 3 times, the hospital 2 times, and 3 different doctors with my knee. I practice soccer 5 to 6 times a week. I know i shouldn’t practice so much, but soccer is my everything. My friends, family and doctors keep telling me that i shouldn’t practice so much right now, bcz i just came back on the field after exactly 6 weeks of being BANNED from playing. I love soccer with all my heart, but i’m in so much pain when i play. I may need to go to the hospital to do physical therapy, if it turnes out he can’t do anything to help me. I can go to another town to get physio, but then i’ll lose many hours at school.
I have the exact same problem. I am also 13 and playing comp soccer many days a week. My pt people tell me and my parents that because our hips are widening it messes up with all the joints in your knees and legs even though it’s the smallest little widening. Many girls on my team all have this same pain syndrome just because of that. I know you wrote this a year ago so I hope you feel better
Anya daddy thank you! i got a cortisone shot in my knee about a month ago, and it really worked.
my pain is gone, but i’ve started getting alot of new symptoms such as fatigue, nosebleeds, easily bruising and vomiting. and i’m 14 now, so these symptoms aren’t normal. so im calling my doc next week to get an appointment, bc i may have either leukemia or bloodloss.
hope they can do something for you!
Annika Niclasen oh no! I hope you feel better and that you don’t have leukemia:(
How are you now
@@OOO-jt8ug at this very moment i’m fine:) i’m getting surgery next month, on sep 19th, to realign my knee cap and to repair my LCL, MPFL and medial meniscus:)
i haven’t played soccer for about 4 months, because even the slightest misalignment of my knee causes my knee cap to shift and almost dislocate, but i’m happy to say that i’ll be returning to the field in march, if everything goes well with my blood/immune disorder:)
i’ve been very sick lately because of my blood/immune disorder so my knee isn’t my biggest problem at the moment, but i’ve been working hard so i can return to the game i’ve loved since i was a little kid:)
how neat to find this...I cannot use the stairs with one of my legs due to sever knee pain.ONLY when using stairs....I am 63...I put some tape on it and it greatly reduced the pain...I go to the PT in two days so this was helpful and will save time in there to put towards exercises and treatment rather than diagnosing...although I imagine he will still want to do that himself!! thanks...great info! very helpful!
Oh guys! there is no video like this on Russian speaking RUclips! Finally I found some demonstration and explanation of my diagnosis!! Will do excercises!!! Thank you very much!!!!
Здравствуйте. У вас тоже Хондромаляция надколенника? Не могу найти русскоязычного видео, как можно вылечить этот недуг, или хотя бы приостановить её развитие. Можете посоветовать что - нибудь?
@@el2126 вылечить никак, можно лишь снизить скорость дегенеративных изменений.
Привет всем! Ребята, скажите, боль отступит? Как заниматься
@@OOO-jt8ug у меня почти не болят уже колени. Нужно подобрать обувь, ортопедические стельки и не заваливать колени во внутрь
@@olga7454 как долго вы с этим боролись? Стельки у меня есть, но планирую индивидуальные заказать. Колено во внутрь валится из-за плоскостопия, стараюсь ходить и это контролировать. сидеть долго не могу с согнутым коленом. У вас также было? Щёлкает ещё. Вы что-то дополнительно делали?
thank you so much for making this video. ive suffered from pains in my left knee which you described precisely. pain when bending. much more so painful going down hill or steps then up.
How are you now? Did you cure it?
I wish I could watch the whole video, but when the doctor in the blue shirt started to move the knee back and forward I've had to stop. My last MRI was in 2010 , and I've got Chondromalacia of the Patella with subchondral marrow oedema in the femoral trochlea I haven't reached 40 yrs as yet. I was a gymnast. My knee problems started around the age of 8 doing classical ballet. In order to strengthen the thigh muscles, I went on gymnastics. By the age of 15 my knees were killing me, and I've had to stop gymnastics. I did not stop being active and started dancing, and by the age of 18, I could hardly walk, drive a manual car, and it was then that I've had the Keyhole knee operation which didn't fix anything. In 2004 plantar fasciitis was added to the mix, exercise is very hard for me. My brain wants too, but my legs are telling me no. My knees will give away at anytime, going up a step, doing down a step, getting up from sitting down for a while. The amount of times I've almost fall is crazy e.g. when entering a bus (public transport), as the first step on the bus as is high, like going up a step. The bus drivers always look at me with big eyes, like what is wrong with this young lady? Not knowing my knees are of a 80yrs old lady (one with bad bones that is).
Naproxen and codeine are my 'friends', McConnell taping did work for me. Nevertheless like I've been doing for years, is just leaving with these pulsating, unreliable, locking, give away broken knees, as they will not kill me.
My kneecaps must be tight or something because I can't move them at all like the guy did in this video. Can't move it left or right. It's stuck right in the middle. And I actually do often have a very tight feeling with my knees.
dude, kneecaps moving that much ain't normal.
Kneecap wouldn't move if your muscles aren't relaxed. Keep the leg relaxed and try moving. It's natural to be able to move it when relaxed.
pranavv gautamm this seemed to work for me, although seemed like one kneecap was a bit tighter than the other. Can this happen (eg maybe a reason is that the strength balance isn’t the same in both legs around kneecap), or does it just mean I wasn’t fully relaxed?
@@zcharged8294 try again. I have knee problems too but when fully relaxed, I'm able to move both kneecaps equally.
That is another type of knee problem it might be causing the pain
You can see it on a straight X-ray. Mine shows the patella out of place, with messy cartilage plus some arthritis in the femur, where the Patella is knocking against it. You don’t need arthroscopicy.
The effect of the taping was an instant relief thanks guys. Now to find out the root cause of this pain. I have been running for 8 months without knee pains, then suddenly this pain has started. I did increase my distance from 5k up to 8/9k
How are you now? Is chondromalacia still with you and cases the pain?
I wish I had found this years ago. I've spent 10 years going to Garey Ortho being told nothing was wrong. Last year I finally got an MRI and now it's stage IV chondromalacia and I need a knee replacement. I'm taking now.
Did u go ahead with the surgery? I m 45 n diagnosed with grade 4 cmp.what treatment did u take?
@rit20095 They didn't get the mri til i had a fit. That's when they found what was wrong. I'm still putting it off trying to get the nerve up. I think I'll be going to USC this year. It's hard to trust people. I know someone who had a bad surgery and is still suffering.
I'm an OT. I had an MRI recently that said I had mild chondromalacia on the medial aspect of my right patella and a slightly lateral malalignment of my left patella with mild pain. My doctor still thinks I have a tiny medial meniscus tear even though the MRI said my meniscus was fine. He only thinks it's that because "mild chondromalacia does not cause pain" and because my knees get irritated when someone bends and twists them. Well...I think that will cause knee pain with anyone with kneecap issues. Plus I have mild athritis in my back that causes some pain, so if something mild in my body can cause me pain, I don't see why mild chondromalacia wouldn't cause me pain as well. Going to PT soon to get some help.
? How did you guys used to look so young? Wow. What happened ? No offense. You guys are the Best !
Can it hurt on the inside instead of the outside of the knee? My knee hurts along the edge of the patella but on the inner side more than outer.
Mine too. Burning and stabbing pain.
Would be good to consider/discuss that we don´t always move/bend our legs in the "perfect scenario", i.e straight line and to the front (which would provide perfect tracking of the patella, in theory at least). Consider soccer movements: tons of out of balance, multiple direction, one leg stands, through a game. Anyway, to anyone reading: stretch calves, hips, hamstrings, quads, ankles and focus on glutes strenght (main culprit, consider how much time we spend sitting).
I'm dealing with the same issue. The way it started with me was a second arthroscopic knee surgery I had on the same knee for a torn meniscus. Then out of nowhere I had a huge pain issue and was not able to go up or down a stair, it was extremely painful and I was not able to put weight on it. I had other knee surgeons and doctors tell me it will get better after a year or more, it has been about 3 years now... It got better, to the point stair was almost pain-free but I am not able to go run or even jog YET! The first surgery went well, recovery was very well, back at the Gym and jogging and running like normal but the 2nd surgery, I have no idea what ended up happening. MRIs show everything is fine, so why can't I put all my weight on it/ or jog or run like normal without a huge pain issue on my knee area. Leg extension, the most I can do is about 10-15lbs, it's that weak, very weak; Also why stairs is a bitch at times for me. I've been searching and searching on the internet for what I'm going through and Patellofemoral pain syndrome (PFPS) is the closest thing I have found relating to what I'm going through.
Hi, how are things going now?..
Damn 5 years now lol, I’m okay and at work wise all is normal, the pain has gotten WAY better, almost no pain at times. My knee still bothers me now and then though, shit that I will live with forever. I still like to ice my knee every once in a while. Since I posted what I said, the stairs have gotten WAY better, BUT running like a normal person NOPE! I can jog a bit but not run/ sprint. Years later I learned and know I favor my good leg, After that 2nd bullshit knee scope surgery I ended up with muscle atrophy for some strange reason. As of today my left leg muscle calf and quad are still smaller in size/ mass vs. my right leg quad and calf. I have not been able to get my leg muscles to match my other leg. Why back then going upstairs was an issue for me. Also kneeling on my bad knee still hurts, so I don’t ever kneel on that knee. Or use knee pads at work if I have to be on both my knees.
Looking back, I fucking regret ever having a fucking knee scope for a little small meniscus tear. The small little issue I was having with my knee was something I could live with and would have not had any of these fucking issues I have today. That’s life, wish I had a Time Machine and go back. That's my update, I'll probably one day, later later on visit a really good orthopedic specialist and check my knee situation but for now I'm okay, I work as normal, and walk normal thankfully lol, You can’t tell I have a knee issue, I don't let it bother me or complain about it. No one knows unless I talk about it.
first i want to say thank you for video. your post shed a ton light for me on what chlondermancia is and how to treat it. my question is there a way to cure it. i injured my knee in the military. i got surgery. i was able to go back to duty. A year goes by and i go for a physical and I'm diagnosis with the symdrome. the military medically discharged me for chlronomancia. thanks a lot for taking the time and reading my post. you guys are awesome
I am 29 years old and I was diagnosed with Chondromalacia Patella and early onset arthritis by my doctor 2 years ago and his advice was to stop playing basketball and only do exercises that are low impact (swimming & biking). I don't want to give up my passion, but I know if I continue playing I will surely suffer later on in life. I know you don't have all the information, but if I follow the PT advice here and obviously consult a PT in person, do I stand a chance of improving the condition of my knee (going down stairs is really tough) and delaying the progression of my arthritis? A knee replacement may be in my future, but I want to delay that moment as long as possible, and being so young the thought of going through such a major surgery like that gives me anxiety. Any insight or advice you can give a young lad such as myself? I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.
ive just learnt about chondromalacia, ive had bad knees for so long, I played football since I was 6 and never had any serious injuries, as I go to around 14-16 I started getting a little pain, now im 20 and I can't walk down steep hills, when I walk on flat ground I walk with a limp because as soon as I start to straighten my leg, it locks up from the muscles around it contracting to protect it, I can't sit cross legged from more than 5 minutes without being in an agonising dull ache in and around my knee cap, I remember getting home from a game I played and I was about 15, and my dad had to carry me up the stairs because I was in tears from so much pain trying to walk up them, wish I could get it healed and get back to playing
Omg I need this! I've had the same knee pain for months now. It feels like it's moving during prolonged sitting and just walking alone causes pain. Can u use any tape?
If my knee is shifting inward should i use the tape to pull the knee outward?
+physicaltherapyvideo sir I have chondromalacia in my right knee with a small meniscus tear in both medial and lateral meniscus. it pains very less though most of the times none at all. even while walking up the stairs. but there's a lot of popping and clicking sounds. Is it ok if I run with this issue and do the rehab.
How are you now
If I broke my femur in the army, in 2002, would that possibly be why my knee hurts so much? I am going to get the tape today!
I’m getting an A on my essay because of y’all
I was having a considerable amount (major) of crunching in my knees when I sat down low. I noticed my knees going outward when I sat down. The inner side of my left knee started to feel like something was wrong and slight pain occurred in that area very quickly and then went away when I sat down. I remembered when my physical therapist once wiggled my knee cap up and down and left and right to free it up when he first started me on therapy after being on crutches for a while. I had watched videos on it and remember doing it myself at home. So, this week I decided to do it again. What I found was my knee cap was stuck. I did a little up and down and left and right wiggling the first day to free it up slightly, and repeated for four more days only once a day. The creaking is oh so slight now, hardly noticeable at all. Basically my knee cap was stuck. My standing and walking is also better. When I sit down, my knees don’t go outward. They are lined up better. A couple more days ought to be enough.
How are you
Many thanks for this video. I walk up a 5 mile paved road with a 20% grade once in the morning and once in the evening for a total of 10 miles. I have been doing it for years without a problem. Yesterday my left knee started to hurt half way up the hill and on the way down the pain really kicked in. !&%#@! IT HURT!! I had pain in the knee even when I wasn't doing anything but sitting or lying down. I did the exercises shown and the pain was reduced 90% almost immediately. I want to WALK as I crave the feeling it gives me but I know if I go back out immediately I will make things much worse. So I will do the exercises for the next 3 to 4 weeks and gradually start the walking routine again.
AGAIN THESE EXERCISES WORK!!
Any advice on knee clicking on bending but no pain
Also femur externally rotated and pelvis anteriorly tilted
thanx this really helped me to be more imaginative about my knee
my doctor said i have this and this video proves i do... ive had it for 6 months and its barley gotten better and its making me unable to run correctly infact i have to limp to run it is also hard to walk up stairs or upand down inclines how can i help it heal
Thanks guys it's very helpful
Can u explain to me
Why it's happens alot more in women
And
Why it's hurts alot more when downstairs!?
Thank you so much it helps so keep putting tape until it feels better?
Thank you Bob and Brad for all of your video. I had the Patellofemoral pain and have been doing the exercises for 4 month and now I have very little pain. Can you tell me what I can do to relive the pain in my quad? 6 Doctors and 2 PT's and no one knows what to do. I think the femoral nerve is trapped in the quad. Thank you.
I've had knee pain from chondromalacia for about 2 years off and on. It's gets better when I go to physical therapy. I didn't do my exercises for a couple of weeks and then the pain came back.
Thats what im dealing with now! A month ago i had baddd bad knee pain but did my stretches. I eventually stopped and its back even worse. I hate this
Hi Bob & Brad! Great video, thanks! Hoping you guys still check out these comments! My question is, you mentioned most of the time the knee cap may be misaligned on the lateral side of the knee so you want to tape it and pull it towards the medial side. However, how do we know which way the knee cap is actually misaligned? Mine feels like its jutted more on the medial side but I'm hesitant to tape it as I'm just not sure.
Every since I was about 15, I am now 25, every once in a while, my knee cap pops or gets out of place and I will fall to the ground. I have not been too alarmed since it may happen once or twice a year or maybe less than five times a year randomly..I want to go see a doctor about this now, because it happened today. I'm just wondering if this is what I may have? I have never played sports or injured my knee in any other way than the times it's gotten out of place and I just fall or almost fall. Afterwards it hurts, I cry, and the pain goes away after a day or two...Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge, and wisdom with people.
Could it be patellofemoral syndrome if I only get pain when I’m crossing my legs and never when I’m active?
Thank you gentleman. I have it all. Chondromalacia and arthritis after years of jogging. I can't squat anymore. Advice?
My knees are so sensitive to touch, it feels like they are constantly grinding . The knee cap doesn't move & the walking has become a chore. It's so painful no matter the smallest of tasks, it looks like the bottom of my leg is going in a diff direction than the top. tbh, from the knee cap down, both legs are in constant discomfort.
physicaltherapyvideo no worries, thank you for your concern, appreciate the videos.
How are you now? I can’t wear tight jeans because of it
This makes no sense to me. I tried several kinds of tape. The only time the tape actually holds the knee cap to the inside is when you are sitting and you first put it on. Once you stand on your leg, the force on the cap will push it back in the center. You can't even hold the cap over with your fingers while you stand, unless your leg goes backwards at the knee.
0:50 " *You cannot diagnose chondromalacia unless you have a scope and look in there* ".
Is this correct? My X-Ray report findings indicate chondromalacia.
maybe not X-Ray but MRI for sure
I don't think it's possible on xray
@@PoznanskieSloiki I read that it's hard to spot early damage on mri but I got dusgnosed at 22 so that must have been early damage
@@peelyb how are you now? I’m 22 and I’m dealing with the same issue. But my mri showed nothing
@@OOO-jt8ug my chrondomalica has cone back. Unfortunately my doctor never told me physical therapy is what I need, he just told me to get fitted for orthotics. I hate doctors
Thanks a lot. Interesting and Good explanation.
I don't have much pain but clicking, grinding etc. So, for how long I should use this?
Keep doing what you're doing lads. Repetition is the mother of learning. Relief is had. Merci Merci.
I've played tennis since high school and recently (about 4 months ago, right after I graduated from college), I started feeling some pain on the front of my right knee whenever I bent it while playing and also when I'm running. Two months ago I went to see a doctor about it and after physical evaluation and a couple of exams, I was told I have PFPS, and that I'd have to refrain from my physical activities and start PT right away. It's been 8 sessions now, but I still feel a lot of pain while performing the exercises, even though I've recovered some strength and my motion range is a lot better than when I started. I'm also worried because my right leg muscles (especially the quads) have atrophied a lot when compared to my left leg (it's over 2 inches shorter in diameter 7 inches above the knee cap) and I fear I might never be able to play tennis again because of this. I'd also like to know if I could stop going to the PT and do some exercises at home, since I've payed for 10 sessions and this can be really costly where I live (Brazil). My PT said I might need 30 sessions, if I'm lucky, but I'm afraid I might go broke first. haha
Thanks a lot for all the amazing information you guys provide on your videos.
+physicaltherapyvideo Thank you, Doctor. I've just talked to my PT and he scheduled me for an evaluation tomorrow, after my last session. Only then, he told me, he will be able to say whether I can continue the rehab program (if I can call it that way) at home or if I will need 10 more sessions. I've also asked him about knee braces and orthotics, but he said he wouldn't recommend them in my case, but he said that kinesio tapes (I guess that's what it's called) could come in handy. I watched another video of yours where you talk about this Mcconnell taping technique being applied on the knee (the "best self-treatment for chondromalacia" one) and I was wondering if that's the same as the kinesio tapes and if I could do that at home on my own, since my kneecap is also being pulled towards the outside of my knee. Once again, thank you very much! ;)
+physicaltherapyvideo Thanks! I'll do some research on that.
How are you now? Do you fell ok? Cured?
I've had intermittent dull knee pain for about the last 25 years. It was initially diagnosed as growing pains after x-rays and various tests turned up nothing. But as I got into my teens, nobody knew what was going on. I was diagnosed with patellofemoral pain syndrome after visiting the walk-in clinic when I was in quite a lot of pain and based on what you guys have said, it seems to fit. I don't really notice the pain gets better or worse acutely, any changes in the level of pain tend to happen over the course of hours, so running, walkning, getting up from sitting, going up stairs don't hurt immediately. But if I do them a lot, then I'll find that my knees feel very sore. The pain itself as I said is a dull pain, feels sort of generalized around the front of my knee, not like it's coming from any one specific area and it seems to go into the back of my patella and seems to go up my femur. When it's really bad I can feel the pain going all the way up into my hip. Which is the only part of it that doesn't seem typical. Anyways thanks for posting this, I thought it was very insightful. I'd never heard the term chondromalacia before and thought it was very interesting.
Did you find out what it is? It sounds the same experience as mine.
I'm 27 and I have this. It sucks.
maybe this can help you
www.painscience.com/tutorials/patellofemoral-pain-syndrome.php
I’m 16 and I have this ,it truly does suck
I'm 15 and just had the surgery for it my doc says I will have to have it done repeatedly or even complete knee replacement surgery.
It does 😖😖😣
Dallas Heflin I think I have this as well, I’m 16 and I’ve been to the doctors so many times but they didn’t know what it was! Do you think if I suggest this they’ll say I may need surgery?
You guys are awesome
I was diagnosed with this through an MRI. I have an Ortho who wants to do surgery on me. I am not sure what to do.
Go to another ortho to see if he's right
@@erenyesil5897 Merhaba bu condramalazi patella dan bende 8 yıldır müzdaribim.Sizce ne yapmalıyım egzersizler çare olmuyor dizimi bükmek çömelmek ve merdiven inip çıkmak artık işkence oldu 24 yaşımdayım .
@@emre2250 Maalesef size birsey diyemem çünkü bendeki hafif ağrılar daha yeni başladı ve doktora daha gideceğim
@Roman Kover Pain free now. I did physical therapy instead of in April of 2019. Thanks to banded terminal knee extensions and dry needling. I am now running and squatting again.
@Roman Kover Diagnosed through MRI with grade 4 chondromalacia.
I Have Chondromalacia And It Hurts When I Run And Sometimes It Pops And Hurt So Bad What Do I Do I Have A Knee Brace But Your The Doctors So What Do I Do
Hi, i also have chondromalacia and my orthopedic surgeon said that putting a brace on the knee can actually make it worse due to the brace pushing the knee therefor causing more pressure on the knee cap. the best thing to do is take cataflam and try stay away from exercises such as squats, lunges, cycling, running up and down hills, hiking. swimming is good but not breast stroke. basically anything putting pressure on your knee try not to do. Another thing that is good is going to a bio kinetics to try and strengthen the muscles around the knee to relieve the pressure off of that knee cap. listen i hope this helps, i'm not a doctor in any shape or form, this is just what i heard from my specialist.
Thanks
Same here! I play soccer with girls who are 2 years older than me and the boys from my class, and when i run it really hurts under my knee cap, and often i can’t bend my leg 4-5 days after i play soccer. But why?!
Christine Philps i get so sad after reading this bcs i love sports so much. I play soccer 2 times a week, me and my classmates play soccer and volleyball in almost every break we have in school, i’m playing with my soccer ball when i come home from school and do exercises with my ball outside. I just love to play sports❤️
@@annikaniclasen9025 ah im so sorry. Its awful... just keep resting it and i really hope it gets better
Can it not be diagnosed with an MRI?
I am 15 and i got diagnosed with Grade 3 Chondromalacia and i found out a few weeks ago i have Grade 4 Chondromalacia
NOW how r u
How are you? Got surgery?
Dose tapping is permanent treatment? And long do we need to put on tape ?
Here's a video you can check out for any questions you may have!
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Thanks for the video and I have a question.
For chondromalacia patella, does the patella move only laterally? cause if it moves inside, the taping method will make things worse.
오 놀랍게도 한국인 분이 계셨네요. 실례가 안된다면 효과가 있었는지 여쭈어봐도 될까요?
What if the knee dislocated to the INSIDE? I dislocated my kneecap 5 times (over the course of 15 years) to the inside, and i had MRIs done and supposedly i have Grade 3/Grade 4 Chondromalacia (no ligament damage or anything else) but i have no pain on my knee AT ALL during everyday activities and im 30 years old. I got up stairs every day and i dont get any pain.
I get pain once every month in which i cannot straighten my leg because of the horrible stabbing pain behind my knee but it goes away after a day or 2. I cant run or take sharp turns obviously or else my kneecap can dislocate pretty easily.
OMG! Thank u soooooo much! Ive been sufferring since last week. BOTH of my kneecaps have been killing me! Especially when i have to bend or squat for work. As soon on as I put tape on my knees, wayyyy less pain! Thank you!!!!
Have knee pain for 7 months. Tried all the tests with no conclusive results UNTIL the one where you hold the cap and tighten the leg. It was like getting a tooth pulled without anesthetic. 🥴
This video helped me figure out I had Patellar tracking disorder (similar to Chondromalacia). They had me do physical therapy for it. Two months into physical therapy, I got right knee pain directly on my Osgood Schlatter ossicle. I taped over ossicle and pain subsided. I rested about a week and went back to exercising. The right knee pain kept coming back so I taped my ankles using kinesiology taping method for plantar fasciitis because I had so many lower leg problems such as shin splints, drop foot and plantar fascitis. With tape on, I noticed my knees felt weak and I could not brake well when walking. So while in a car, I tested out my leg strength by pushing down on my legs. I had trouble pushing down on my right leg. That's when I realized Ossicle Schlatter ossicle was weakening my leg strength. Later on I realized I wasn't using my right leg to get up from ground, couch, or chair. My left leg was doing all work. I could not dip or hold my weight on squats and single-leg squats with my right leg. When throwing out heavy stuff like trash, I could not have the heavy stuff on right side of my body because my right leg couldn't support weight. So I brought electric tape and taped over ossicle (not above it but over it) using a taping method called Crystal Palace Wrap (youtube has plenty of videos), I immediately got some leg strength back with electric tape on (it has to be electric because other tapes are too thick and heavy and will hurt your patellar tendon). I could get off ground, I could dip and hold some body weight on squats, I could hold weight of stuff like trashbag a little longer on right side of my body. I told Orthopedic Doctor this and even brought electrical tape with me to display it to her. She had me do Ultra sound guided knee injection on ossicle. A few weeks later, she approved surgery for Osgood Schlatter. It's fixed my Chondromalacia / Patellar Tracking Disorder along with my fatpad impingement.
I was diagnosed with patellofemoral pain syndrome, but my pain is not in the front of the knee neither do I feel the pain when I walk upstairs or downstairs. My pain is behind my knee on the side and hamstring. I only feel the pain when i am standing for more than 20 minutes. I’m wondering if its something else I have. PLEASE HELP!🙏🏼
This sucks. I was diagnosed with this when I was in grade 7. Started noticing the signs when I was in grade 6. I couldn’t even make it down the stairs without it hurting.. physiotherapy helped quite a bit
LiveLoveLaugh1231000 any tips? I have it to, and even walking hurts... I’ve been icing and today I started therapy. (The exercises they show in another video). About how long did it take for it to heal?
How are you guys
I ran this test on my left knee, but I find that pushing the kneecap to the outside (to my left) actually makes it smoother. Does that just mean I have a swollen Patella? This all started about 2 weeks ago, leading up to my meniscus surgery on the RIGHT knee.
you guys are great !!
when i bend my knee it hurts. feels likr a bruise in my knre or somethin
Is it possible for your knee to shift inward instead of outwards? And how would you know which way it's shifting to?
Can it go too far over to the inner thigh instead? It feels like that is what is happening with mine.
What if it’s missing?
I have swelling under the knee cap. and it hurts more when I'm sitting or driving and then get up I seem to limp after
Hey guys, I hurt my knee at football practice, and I just felt a small pop, no trauma or anything that I remember. It swelled a littler like a day later, but nothing alarming. I do have pain when I squat, climb/descend stairs, and when I bend the knee while walking. I am wondering if I could ask you guys if you have any idea what it could be before I head to the doctor? Thanks
As a 17 year have been diagnosed with patella femoral syndrome by overrunning Honestly feel like I have no hope of joining my dream job army been going on for 4 weeks now😞🥺
Don’t join. I have it and it’s even worse in the military. My knee is absolutely destroyed now
That is a nice shirt, Bob S👍
Do you have a video on the front of the ankle ? It hurts when fully stretched
I love your videos they are so great! Maybe you can help me with my knee issue... I'm an avid cyclist. For about 6 weeks now I've been having bad knee pain on the front of the knee around the knee cap. Sometimes it is rift beneath the kneecap, sometimes it above and to the sides of the kneecap. It hurts especially when I push on the downstroke, especially when climbing or when sprinting on flat terrain. Bending the knee is usually pain free. I also recently (about 2 or 3 months ago) increased my weekly mileage from around 170-180 miles per week to 220-260 miles per week. Any advice would awesome because cycling is so important to me but I'm concerned about my long term health. Thanks very much!
How you feeling know im feeling same from 6 months
SPIN don't PUSH.....use lower gears and higher cadence
It only hurts when I've been running for over a half mile or so. I doubt this test would work for me. Perhaps I have a different problem?
Hey guys great video was wondering do I put tape for sing the way the pain is because mine's is on the inside and your demonstration shows it for the outside when it comes to taping it
1:40 to 1:42 Brad's glasses !!
Thanks a lot for this video. I am using knee braces from Donjoy company as I was diagnosed as stage 1 chondromalacia patallea . if I use this tape along with the knee braces would it be usefell to solve the disease. ??
useful waiting for next video
thanks alot
Hey man I tried it I put on selatape and still painful in my knees and back.
I have both things in both knees. I've had pain since 6 years old, and had a lateral release. Massive amounts of crepitus. I try to avoid stairs. It feels like little knives in my knee going up/down stairs and especially going up it sounds like 50 pieces of paper are being rippled apart. I'm in pain now. I can't wait to have total knee replacements one day
+physicaltherapyvideo thank you. Me too. It gets emotionally exhausting and nothing touches the pain. Thank you for putting out awareness about these disorders.
+PMcFarland so after 6 years, u still feel pain ? is that syndrom the worst that happen to you? i havent checked the doctor yet but it feels like i am having something like this and i cant stop thinking about my knee :(
+Elmar Mehdi-Zade No...not 6 years of pain...SINCE I WAS 6. I'm 28 now. 22 years of crippling pain whenever they want to.
PMcFarland thats terrible :( what are u doing now to fix it and what helps?
+PMcFarland Oh man, I feel you. I've had the problem since I was 12-13, and so many doctors have told me I just needed to lose weight (I was not overweight when I was 13!!) or do more exercise. Because it's just that easy, I guess.
Been looking for a video by you both on Posteria pelvic tilt. I am female,5 ft 8 inches tall and have a flat sacrum, short pelvis and long spine. I am now 82 and after a lifetime of standing straight and walking a lot, I now bend forward from my lower lumbar. I can’t walk any distance anymore. Recently I found a bump in my spine which pushes my spine to the rear. I found I can pull up with my upper back and feel the bump disappear. I can then walk as long as it stays in place. I was wondering if you could do a video on this which I think is posterior pelvic tilt but since it’s a self diagnosis, I wouldn’t bet on it.
Pain is around knee cap..not inside no locking etc..I feel my patella is popped outer side as urs also looks popped outside..does it show chondromalacia patella
hi , is there any treatment for grade IV ?
My right knee hurts going up staires and my left knee hurts going downstaires
I have been diagnosed with this syndrome 4 years ago, and with various methods of treatment (icing, rest, otc pain relief, j tracking braces) nothing has helped eased my pain. Is surgery a potential long term option?
Cmp grade 1 treatment please
What do you do if you have alot of fluid on the knee and have Chondramalacia?
I have underwent arthroscopic surgery and I feel this same pain..Is this normal? And one more thing doctor advised to increase quadriceps and harmstring muscle exercise but no improvement and it get worsen after 1 month..
what tape use? kinetic tape is good?
I had surgery on mine and it did not help that much. Any suggestions?
I put leukotape on by keeping my leg straight, pushing my kneecap over, and taping from the outer edge down over the inside of my knee like in the video but the second I bend my leg it rips right off. Am I putting it on wrong?
MY SEEMS TO BE CATCHING BUT EASES IF I PUSH KNEE TO THE OUTSIDE
Yooooo I got diagnosed wit this🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Hi, hope you don't mind me commenting! From an x ray and an mri scan, my physio says I have minor wear & tear behind the kneecap, the beginnings of osteoarthritis. I presume this is a separate condition? My physio says my prognosis is a progressive condition but that as it is now it is 'as normal a knee as is possible without actually being normal!' Hes told me to get tough with the strengthening of the knee. Ive read that the condition of arthritis doesn't necessarily get worse and wondered what your thoughts are? Thanks!
ok thanks!
If my patella get dislocated after it recover can I lift weight like barbell squat
would it be possible for the kneecap to be tracking incorrectly but pulling more to the inside of the leg? I feel the pain more on the inside edge of the kneecap than the outside. I'm a regular road cyclist but recently I am finding my inner quad would be tight/sore after some rides. thanks
Im an avid runner and a year ago I fell really hard directly on my kneecap and it has never been the same ever since. Could that cause this condition? Also, if my pain is on the medial side and under the kneecap, would that mean that the kneecap is also tracking too far to the medial side? Not sure if that can be determined by where the pain is. Thank you very much for the video!
Hows the knee now ?
How are you know?
I don’t feel too much pain, just severe discomfort. I feel a clicking when I flick my knee. I really need help.
Me too
were messing around with this for school clinic, and found a paper stating that Mc Murrays has 86% false positives for chondromalacia when surgery intervention was applied... can't find the paper again now thou, but clinical thoughts?
it was on pubmed, surely a visual inspection can not always exclude early stage onset of the disorder, but the % was so damn high.