Is The F-15C RUINED? | War Thunder
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F4F ice crying in the corner with 4 aim 9L and no IRCCM
It could definitely move to 12.0-12.3 in its current state
Germany suffers
@@SeekerHeadcould be that they'll only lower it to 12.3
Seems like they want to make 12.3 the baseline for the new arh seeing as they raised the J-8F from 11.7 to 12.3
It also needs the F4E RWR if if this version was the last to be produced and upgraded you think it would have a better RWR to actually give you a missile launch warning
@@nick4754 Tbh it kinda does in top tier Air. But that's just by virtue of Germany having a massive gap in aircraft between stuff like the F-104 and then Eurofighter.
I love how people complain about f15c carrying more than 4 amraams will ruin the game while no one gives a f about su27 carrying the whole arsenal, never even mention amraams seem to be one of the worst fox3 in the dev server rn
The thing about the Su27 tho is that it can't carry anything else like a R73 in the big pylons, it's either R27/R77 or nothing
@@KingMen1Force why wouldnt you want to carry r27s or r77s it doesnt make sense
@@henryz7158 What? Read my comment again.
Nobody complained while Su-27 grabbing the most stupid overpowered loadout called 6*R-27E without any restriction in Air Superiority, bringing back ‘Danger Zone’ flashbacks but complaining historical 8*AIM-120 is ridiculous.
I honestly don't even see the point of bringing anymore than 6 Amraams at a time
Meanwhile I just want the 9m's to come to my baby the F-14b
F-14A still needs the 9Ls
@@roberts9095 but then it'll probably be going up to 12.0 or 12.3 since it'll just be a F14B with worse engines.
A10A 9M gib 😅
@@roberts9095no it’s the f-14a early that’s why it doesn’t have 9ls the b should not use 9ls because it is 1987 and 9ms are 83
@@LTFP-fw3itAim-9l is from 1977.
I'm not worried about it even if they restrict it to 4 🦅🦅🦅. Just need the weight fixed.
If this fm gets fixed then fix Su-27/J-11s, 29s, Grip, etc. lol…
@acdfg3the wobble on all of them and I agree, it’s annoying. I hope they fix that but if they don’t make 6v6 an event tab or smaller matches not showing up more often, then they should keep multipathing. The brainless gameplay of flying low and dumping AIM-9Ms now being advanced Fox 3s dumping those along with multipathing being gone would just be worse braindead gameplay
@acdfg3all the missiles are wobbling in the dev server even my 9m are wobbling so it will get fixed before release
It needs to have 8 AMRAAMs.
@acdfg3removing multipathing is stupid, thats how missiles and radars act irl, although i do agree it is annoying, gaijin probably (hopefully) will maybe nerf multipathing a bit so that there's a smaller chance of the missile missing but i don't think removing it completely is possible
M4K has seen multiple loadout and other changes during devserver, so there's still hope for you Eagle enjoyers. Also, as long as there are sources for it carrying 8 AMRAAMs, bug reports should do the trick. Unless Gaijin direclty states it's a balance choice, then it'd make no sense.
DCS has had 8 for ages.
I think it's kind of common knowledge it can carry AMRAAM on the wing pylons, there's plentiful amounts of pictures of it. It seems this is a balancing decesion so I'm not hopeful bug reports matter
Dont the a/b AMRAAMs have fins too large for the wing pylons?
@@SeekerHead Historically common knowledge hasn't seemed to influence gaijin a lot when making these kinds of decisions. I would still give the bug reports a try, even if it doesn't work we'd get a proper explanation for this loadout
restriction.
@@MrNPCok,stop coming on war thunder videos just to brag that your game is better, just stfu an use your brain to realise that not everyone can afford a pc to run dcs.
As an outspoken eagle hater and a flanker enjoyer i think its absolutely bullshit that the eagle cant carry its historical loadout
As an outspoken flanker hater and a eagle enjoyer i think its absolutely bullshit that the flanker cant have its flight model fixed
The su27sm can carry 10 r77's irl.... it only has 6 in the game like the f16c with its amraams... there is no bias yall just dont know how to use ur brain
this is what we all need to do, we shouldn't be divided into Us mains vs Usst mains, we should be united as a community vs. Gaijin making fm's incorrect and weapon loadouts historically innacurate, it's not the Us mains fault the su27 cant dogfight how its supposed to, and it's not the Ussr mains fault that the f15 has a bad loadout, its gaijins fault
@@zehi04agreed brother
@M1A2_Abrams_MBT the f-15 and the su-27 have the same flight performance irl...
The worst part is not having CHAFF and BOL pods
again, it's still the dev server, and with the amount of complaints and bug reports going around, gaijin would be fucking braindead not to fix it
It still has over 200 countermeasures that’s pretty good
@@Yamaha_Kid but it could, and SHOULD have about 800
The argument that the F 15 alone having 6-8 ammrams will make it just like the tomcat is ridiculous. All planes this patch have a pretty high chance to be like the tomcat in terms of spamming missiles and then going back to base. Also, performance doesn't matter as much in top tier if it stays 16 vs 16 and the Su-27 gets 6 missiles and 4 ir missiles at the same time. If the F-15 got the ability to carry 8 ammramms (which it should) it wouldn't suddenly make the Su-27 the worst plane.
right! and all the other jets that can carry 6 fox 3s, couldnt they all be classified as being like the f14? same amount of missiles, and thats clearly what people are worried about
My favorite is people assuming that AMRAAMs weren’t designed with the INTENT of the engagement taking place at BVR almost exclusively 😂
Don’t ask for a technology and then complain when said technology accomplishes exactly what it was designed to do
wait till you get the F18 and can carry 10 amraams and 2 sidewinders
@@vogavation plot twist the F18 will only be able to carry two on the belly hardpoints.
i just wish su27 got more flares/chaff , i dont think u would even have enough flares/chaff to stay alive long enough to use all your missiles in su27.
Did anyone ever mentioned the devs how we're still missing 3000 kilos of afterburner thrust in each engine of the F15A, in game we have 8510, that's 18761.34 pounds when is 25.000 pounds each engine which is 11339 kilos, and this information is public and published in the national museum of america, but the SU 27 is close to the real number with 11.660 kilos out of the 12.519 is been published, i wonder why they don't make speeds as they should, and is something i've noticed for the past 4 years.
They nerfed f15 alot 4 amramms instead of 8 and lacks 30% of thrust but on su 27 they did everything ok😮 ???
It's nothing new, many aircraft are like that, check the MiG29s engines. There are many reasons for that like, making the aircraft weight less with less drag therefore needing to reduce the thrust, or in-game's 1kgf is different from RL 1kgf etc.
You're just nitpicking at this point or you just wanna play Ace Combat in WT instead cause adding 3000kgf more to the best accelerating plane in game will simply create a UFO but I guess you just don't care.
@@KingMen1Force lmao is one of the many changes gaijin do to make the game slower than what it should be, when you have the word ''REALISTIC'' slap, of course people are going to look at every detail, this is the same with the JA 37, at release it was fast and then got turbo nerf to the paint it barely accelerates, afterburner speeds are no joke, there's a reason jets don't go full burner 100% and when they do you can feel the sense of speed, DCS is the best example, and the F15 is an extremely fast plane, just like the viper, mig 29, SU 27 and others, like the F4 phantoms, which now are a joke of a plane, gaijin just doesn't know how to make speeds, accelerations etc, and they start making their own numbers to ''balance'' things out missing 3000 kilos of afterburner thrust is a big deal.
@@jansenkiewicz8078su27 loses has 2 times the drag as it should irl😮
@@APPLECAKEPIE3477 Slower that it should be? What are you on about? Performance on aircraft in Realistic WT are definitely much higher than on DCS, simulator battles bring it a bit closer but still not comparable. Just try rolling the MiG29 at 1000+ kph in DCS then compare it to WT.
In WT the F15 reaches mach 1 faster than any aircraft, just in a mater of few seconds , smoking any other aircraft in game without much effort and you want to add another 3000kgf of thrust?
What you're probably referring to is the sense of speed but not the speed itself. It simply comes down to the scenery. In WT the scenery is much bigger than on DCS (like larger mountains etc. ) making the sense of speed feel slower.
The biggest issue in top tier WT imo is the instructor and the "balancing of aircraft" but that's a whole other topic.
Imagine having the 120 pods, then you could have 16 lol
Uh, what? As a prior F-15 aircraft armament loader, this raises many questions.
@@jesusofbullets"eh stick em wherever they fit cause fuck it why not?" This mentality is the American way of experimenting. (Skunkworks and the like) And i love it. XD
Dude there is no aircraft in the world that can. Carry 16 AIM120. Maximum 12.
@@Niko_rj
Theoretically, the F-15EX could, but they’d need to put pylons on stations 1 and 9, which they don’t do because of potential long term structural issues.
Theoretically, he’s right.
Practically, you’re right.
@jesusofbullets in theory, F15EX can carry 20 missiles.
There are different pylons for different places, even under the hull in place of 4 AIM7, you can install pylons that allow you to carry 2 times more missiles. but in fact this is just an experiment, the prototype of pylons which is not in service and there is no need for it.
and the Air Force itself claims 12 AIM120 missiles on F15EX.
The limited number of AMRAAMs isn't unprecedented. I heard the Su-17M4 should be able to carry up to 10x R-60Ms IRL, but is limited to 6 in game for balance reasons.
It's funny when the MIG-29 first came out with r73s everyone argued that the FM + thrustvectoring IRs is OP but now that it's the F-15s turn suddenly the FM doesn't really matter. :)
As I said in the video, IRCCM is still meta. The gripen for example having the most busted FM in the game while having 6 strong IRCCM makes it very hand hold.
Also, at that time there was no other IRCCM missile. Just Russian R73. Good thing it didn’t get pushed to the live server. Your argument doesn’t line up as well as you seem to think.
The F-15C doesn’t have a better missile loadout than the Su-27SM, though.
@@SeekerHead Oh come on dude that's litterly every ru main arguement there was for the 29, "eh, other plane also op so why my plain not op now?". And you argued that it would be better whitout r73 because of "balance" and look what you're doing now. Be honest that it's anoying when one of your favourit jets gets gimped.
Most people were calling bullshit on the R73's, which were coming with much better IRCCM than they do now and enough range to do a full 180° turn and still hit an enemy jet. Also they had no competition until they decided to drop the 9M with it, which made it all the more egregious.
@@cookiecraze1310^facts^
Reminder that the yak-141 is STILL missing it's R-73's.
Wasn't the yak 141 the plane that could barely take off in real life let alone with a loadout lol
Irl the Yak 141 could barely even get off the ground. Be happy you even have it in the game
The f-15A is missing amraams and tws. The F-15C is missing aim-9X too. The f-14B is missing aim-9M, (I think the F-14A is missing 9L too). Also both F-15s are significantly below their irl thrust to weight ratio, nowhere close to as good irl.
@@ttvkyberwolf6659 15A never had Amraams or TWS...
@ttvkyberwolf6659 dude it doesn't have the 9X because of balance, not because it had them. Most planes can have 9Xs or IRIS-Ts or something like that, yet they don't because balance.
seek they did a report on the 4 amraams issue, gaijin already acknowledged and trickzzter marked it as a suggestion. Maybe on the next hotfix they'll give it 8 amraams
As I said in the video, there’s no way they didn’t already know it could have 8. There’s pictures of it having 8 all over the internet. Makes it seem like a balancing thing so I don’t think the report will do anything. We’ll see
@@SeekerHead I have the same opinion but some believe they did that out of incompetence, like you said we'll see
@@SeekerHead you are aware there are different versions of the F-15C?
@@SeekerHead
“Balancing” when Russians can carry 6 R77s which currently seem to be better than AMRAAMS.
Gaijin 🤡
@@RienRocks balance for others performance for us
My issue is that britain gets the B while we get the A. Shouldn't the HOME COUNTRY get the best missile of its kind? Japan got the 7F on their F-16, we got the 7M. It's as simple as that, we simply got cheated out of it.
The A and B are identical both in War thunder and IRL. In real life it’s a logistical electronic upgrade that doesn’t affect any performance metrics of the missile. In other words, it’s irrelevant
@@SeekerHead I didn't realize that, thanks.
I have literally spent thousands of dollars on WT, full hotas and head tracking set up for Sim. But I had to quit because of the fantasy Russian hypersonic fox 1 missiles. It was so absurdly Russian cope and fantasy I could no longer give gaijin more money
I have a feeling they want to see how 4 plays out first then give more later if neceessary or give AIM-120B/C-5 (latter already in dev files).
And aim-120b already in game
I'm not sure people realize how few differences there are between the A and the B
@@BlackjackTheLad B was made to be a more reliable version of the A, thats the real only change that matters
I think that every plane in game should have access to its historical loadouts, or at least the most representative ones. At least that's how it used to be before 3rd generation jets were added.
That said, I think I kinda see the point of not giving the F-15C the full 8xAMRAAM loadout. Every other top tier jets has only 6 (with 2-4 IR missiles though, I understand that's better) but the F-15C would combine having 8 with a better airframe and radar, making it arguably better for most situations. I think a good balance for now would be giving it 6 AIM-120s (2 more on the outer Sidewinder pylons, for example) or making the AMRAAMs a tier 1-2 upgrade, with stock AIM-7Ms.
I still dont understand why all F-15's are slower by around 500 km/h then its real life counterpart
another thing that also is so annoying is that the f15c still comes stock with 2 9Ls while the last 3 planes from russia come stock with 2 r73s
No ones talking about the gripen only getting 4 even thought it’s wingtips are DESIGNED to hold AMRAAMs
ye thats pretty bs aswell, even joob pointed out that 9m's look silly on those huge wingtips, so everyone was kinda expecting amraams on that pylon but i guess the snail said no
Although flight performance rarely matters in TT, energy retention and acceleration is still very important for survivability
Indeed, but there isnt a single plane at top tier that cant make a full 180 degree turn or multiple, from mach 1.1 and not still be roughly supersonic with a little bit of neg elevator tapping. Su27 is just fine for a normal match
@@SeekerHead again bro you need to look at the f4f ice
Everyone complains about the f15 vs su27 modern debate forgetting the Russians get their 2012 su25 while America gets their 1977 a-10
yea even the fox3's have the similiar situation, aim120 went into service in 1991, r77 wasn't even developed 'till 1994 so t get used to it
Well Gaijin are known for tying some countries hands behind their backs while some other certain countries arent.
If you really want to know whats messed up its the RADAR. The only thing similar is the name.
Missing basic modes
Missing like 60% range
getting inexistant soviet radar deficiencies like locking range loss.30% instead of 10%
etc
I've reported the radar issues since DECEMBER with no avail. The sneaky and disingenous radar dev(kstepanovich) ignores primary documentation like the A2A manual and performance documentation to match it to soviet documentation and a fairytale yefim gordon propagated, the su27s radar is as good as the F15s.
And man. AS he is the one doing missile and radars. Once you go through the SU27s, Mig 29s and R27R manuals/technical documents. You truly see how far he artificially buffed them, its wouldn't be surprising to see them buffing them to match them to other missile but straight up making them just overperform anything else...
Man, I hope you do understand that the N001 radar is easily the worst radar at 11.7+ BR (along with M4K’s radar that only has HDN PD) and I hope that your second paragraph is just sarcastic otherwise it means that you never ever touched the Su-27 ig, F-15A’s radar is muuuch better than Su-27’s one even though it has no TWS mode
@@СергейНикольский-я2ц I repeat, I would understand if they tried to match it to other planes or missile but HE just makes it overperform. And unfortuantely I'm not being sarcastic, the values on the game code are exactly the same given on the soviet foreign aircraft handbook and the soviet F15 handbook. AS for the N001/R27 overperforming take at look at the forum discussion, (vympel r-27 alamo history -design performance discussion and go to post 203. It terms of kinematic performance, the R27ER IS accurate but what is completely artificial is the guidance. Its just insane. Look at my bug report for the R27, Incorrect search(acquisition) speedgate for R27 R/ER, search it on the issues website of gaijin. The current value is 1/3rd of RL and smaller than the sparrow. Not even equal to atleast claim balanzz, just overperformance. With such an insanely low guidance limits it can pull unbelievable shots, match it with a fast missile and its just insane. You can see aswell my multiple reports of the APG63 just ignored and closed since december
@@СергейНикольский-я2ц and the funny thing with the R27 is that the speedgate was correct on the dev. But got artificially buffed when the update went live
@@mamo4731 it took a lot of time to find it (it isn’t 203th, it’s 206th), I will reply later
@mamo4731 Keep up the good work bro!
The F15 needs to be represented Correctly 100%!
Gaigin's problem is that they're always gonna be Russian bias and it's too obvious but whatever, we will always find a way past all that and win anyways
They just announced it'll carry 8
Its not the plane that ruined warthunder, it's gaijin that ruined warthunder
ive seen alot of people point out how the su27 can carry 2 more r77s and while I think thats a fair point id like to say as an average su27 pilot ill still be carrying 2 R27ETs regardless of how good or bad fox 3s are. The versatility they have is pretty great to have and if I had to guess I probably wont be the only one running 4 fox 3s at most. Also obligatory su27 cant dogfight moment
Agreed on both points - I now wish I had MORE ET slots because due to ARHs everybody hugs the deck even tighter, which makes a double tap with am r77+ET a guaranteed kill. Everybody also listens for the rwr sound a lot more and they seem to not notice the ETs dropping from high heavens. And yeah it still can't dogfight.
@@iamgaard the sole versatility of having a fast long range IR missile with IRCCM is unmatched
F15 lacks 30% of thrust 6000kg / 3000kg on each engine and now they are giving only 4 amramms instead of 8..... If gaijin doesn't fix it then its not anymore ( realistic game) bcs they put they own speed , statistiscs and weapons not like irl...
It should go 3087km/h not 2600km/h..
Finally new pilot models about damn time
I’m just tired of Gaijin artificially nerfing things period
I have no idea why the F-15C and F-16C dont get the AIM-120B, let alone the early Cs with some other ARHs coming this patch.
There’s no performance difference between the 2 missiles. Both irl and WT
@@SeekerHead to be entirely fair, the only REAL differences between the 2, was that the B model has a reprogrammable WGU-41/B guidance section, rather than the hardware changes required in the A's programming section. There werent any performance differences, since everything else stayed the same, and WT doesnt feature missile programming by maintenance crews.
From my experience, good acceleration, top speed and energy retention are extremely helpful in top tier matches. They give you ability to choose your fights (at least until your allies are still alive), which dramatically increases your survival. F15 is the best plane in this regard
Its not Russian bias. Its US hate
Smaller team sizes option didn’t work at all. I’m still getting 16v16 lobbies every match lmao 😂
i think more people enabled it since nowadays its like 60%-40$ for me at least.
It’s the same with the su27. If flight performance is insignificant why not just give it a proper flight model?
because they already went balls deep into giving the most op loadout and now if they changed the flight model it'd break the game, imagine a gripen with 720 cm's and they decide to give it r73, it'd break the game( i know thats not historically accurate but it's an example)
The intakes not being angled irritates the hell out of me. The 15 almost never flies with the intakes full open like that. They're almost always angled down at some degree.
I've been complaining about Russian bias for years, only now that you're seeing that it's real. Look at Pantsir and Su25m3, it's killing tank games....
Often most people's struggles with the F-15 Is they aren't using the planes strengths during a fight. Same goes for the F4 phantom
Russia getting its full suite of weapons, some of them breaking the game (vikhyr, 27ER, kh38mt/ml) with no need for the community to lobby for it is what’s exhausting.
NATO weapons consistently come to the game incorrect, and require laborious bug reporting and lobbying to have them fixed. It’s exhausting to see Russia continuing to get treated like the teachers pet at worst.
As big of a meme "Russian Bias" is, it's pretty clear that Gaijin devs have favortism towards Eastern Bloc kit. It definitely needs to be called out.
so true
Also how HEAT is incapable of overpressure while HE does that so easily. It just so happens X uses HEAT and Y uses HE
@@triparadox.cAH64 cannon rounds and A10 gun intensifies
Crying about russian bias is really weird considering that Sweden is the clear top dog in game.
Every single American plane top tier get screwed thanks gajin .Gives the us 120a instead of the 120c seriously. Give us the choice
do you guys ever not cry
@jaek__ do you orcs never stop bombing hospitals and playgrounds? Go be a sunflower already
Give me historical weapons loadout . I couldn't care less about pure flight performance give me 8 aim 120 like it could carry in real life
My brother in christ. You need to look at how atrocious the f4f ice.
I will get to the F4F ICE
I don’t have German TT but damn, why tf the ICE sits at 12.7, because of AMRAAM’s? But fox 3’s are nearly useless and will be nearly useless until multipathing is fixed so it is just a Phantom with 9L’s and 4 radar missiles that will be dodged by doing ….. nothing but flying low without even manoeuvring and it will face all the top dogs that have better … everything lmao
fr, needs to go down to 12.3
Perfect take on the current state of Air RB, airframe and plane maneuverability ultimately does not matter when you can fire missles from 20+ km out, the battles take like 10 mins max with takeoff and most of the time you wont even be able to experience your plane's superior airframe capabilities during combat in a lopsided 16v16
Definitivamente prefiro 8 aim 120 contra mísseis tão superiores, se não podemos ter a qualidade prefiro todo o potencial de 8 ao em vez de 4...
just cus its going to be fine if its either 4 or 8, doesnt mean we should just straight up give up and and say fine to it just having 4, same with the su27 too its not getting the amount of r77s its supposed to be able to carry i think its similar with ICE aswell should be able to carry 8. I feel these are the type of things that if you let gaijin get awy with and time goes on and the community just stops advocating for its one of those things they will just never fix cus they already moved to other shit
Not gonna cry bias BUT. I do find it funny that USA consistently needs artificial nerfs to make everyone else competitive. Image if gaijin added in missile tech from the US late 90s like Russia currently has.
the us is "suffering" from success lmao
Thing is, both ussr and American planes are artificially nerfed in some ways. Us faces overpowered ERs that weren't in mass production until 90s, and ussr has their flight performance cut in half, literally. Mig's and SU's perfomance should be roughly similar to f15's and f16's, while they should fight with regular r27
Amraam 1991 - R-77 1991
Also isn't that funny how russian planes need constant artificial nerf to keep us mains from crying? Mig-21 can do a cobra, but in game it's a flying drift car, Mig-29 and Su-27 are just flying airbrakes that take all the speed they have and convert it into a death by stalling, while IRL they should be very much competitive with their counterparts, worse in 2 circles for sure, but not reach stalling speeds at that
@@aenodarr you are aware the 27er is contemporary to the 120 and r77 right? And its beein in the game for what? 2 years? Not to mention american jets have consistently had nerfed radars and gimped missiles while russian radars and missiles have beend fudged hard
@@aenodarr The R77 never entered service with Russia lmao. Russia's first R77 that they used in service is the R77-1, which entered service in 2015
I mean it's the same exact thing every single update or when they add new stuff they completely limit the United States and give the most to Russia. I quit playing war thunder just because what they're doing to the United States. I play dcs now
Seek is on that content grind 1 video yesterday and another today 💪
period eric
Nah, it's fine.
And the mirage 2k-5f will probably stay with 8 missiles, the 6 missiles limit was present on earlier versions of the avionics as far as i know
I can’t be wait for gaijin to make up something about how even though it’s been seen and proven to carry 8 that THEY don’t think it can
well no early F-15C variants such as the one in game... could not carry 8 aim120s. first the wing pylons couldnt support the 120 as they are the same pylons as the A variants. second the actual control unit of the early F-15C's couldnt support more then 4. yes that was changed later on but its not some bias bullshit thing its just the variant chosen couldnt carry 8
4 120As meanwhile 6 R-77s for the flanker along with 4 R-73s
which is fair, because flanker can turn defensive only 1 time, after which it loses all the speed and catches all missiles on the map
@@raketny_hvost??????
r73 are easier to flare than 9m's imho
@@Skinny6539 did you try to turn defensive on flanker at least at 3-5 km? It bleeds fuckin loads of speed. Once someone tries to spam missiles at you, you won't be able to answer
Mirages with a significantly better flight model, 4 magic 2s and 6 MICAs that handle and are way more agile and responsive than R73s say hi
Lets not mention ... The F15C is missing good amount of Engine Thrust (even after calculate Loses and etc) + the 4 aim120s
Hopefully they will actually revisit and fix it.
I just want the F15 to stop breaking its wings when I am manoeuvring sub sonic. I will make 4 120's do the work of 8. But if she is still so prone to wing breaks this becomes very challenging.
Tested it myself. Havent broken a single wing
It just a problem with the instructor I’ve see it done it
So far the only thing I haven’t rip my wings in the Jas 39
@@Yamaha_Kid the f-15c?
@@KNMRoaldAmundsen no I haven’t had the time to play the dev
@@Yamaha_Kid ok, i’m talking about the f-15c. It has way stronger wings
Funnily enough from my experience the fucking AAM 3 is garbage but the F15J Kai is still a great aircraft. Radar has some issues with chaff but the HMD is great for the AAM 3s just wish missiles would connect.
I think what happens is that the people at gaijin who are in charge of actually creating and balancing vehicles, are (likely unintentionally) more lenient towards the vehicles their people used, and more harsh towards the vehicles their peoples rivals used. Theres a good reason the referee of a sports game can't come from one of the 2 teams. Your perspective of "fair" can be warped without you even knowing it.
But they fucked the mig29 and especially su27 flight models
@@christophermalthe1818 They did. It seems they thought making em sub par dogfighters would balance out their ludicrous missiles. But when that's not what happened, they weren't receptive to it at all, and just let them remain OP as hell because they still thought it was fair even when it obviously wasn't.
I understand people being mad about it not receiving 8 amraams but i honestly believe that the current loadout we have is the best loadout for the plane regardless
omg its locked to 4 fox 3´s, also the F-4f ICE having no HMD, nor good RWR, nor 9Ms, nor more fox 3´s. why are people talking about the F-15C with good flight performance and a lot of good missiles when theres the ICE at 12.7 (basicly 13.0) wich has just got nothing going for it. why is noone talking about how much of a joke the ICE is? and its the only fox 3 carrier for the german tree, its not like "just play the other top tiers") the german tree hasn´t got other actually competitive top tier planes, not for CAS, not for SIM, not for CAS. And then people say "the F-15C will be dead on arrival" what is the ICE? a joke on arrival? i just dont get it.
Honestly though I wouldnt put the ICE below 12.0; Id say 12.3 is where it should be.
I know its a dated frame at that point; but it has a very good radar. The new jets are all BVR focused, and this patch seems to focus on BVR and honestly, the ICE can still pull it around in 12.7 as long as it keeps its distance from enemy planes. But Id put it to 12.3 still. The 11.3 meta is already screwed, there is no need to screw it over too much by putting the ICE to 12.0 or lower.
Thats because nobody cares about the ICE, because its so bad nobody with a normal mind will even consider playing it.
Pov us tt F4E
Fighting all aspects and irccm jets
Next to no cms
Only 9Js
9E2DFs and no 7F/M/9L/M like irl. . .
Breh
All to represent a wrap up of vietnam modification with agile eagle. . . While fighting 10-20 years newer jets constantly. . .
I c r y
@@loneirregular1280 id agree with 12.3 and maybe 12.7, allthought it NEEDS a better RWR, its current one is worse than the F-14As wich is just a joke at 12.7 and makes BVR next to impossible. if it got that better RWR and maybe some more countermeasures it would be fine imo, fine isnt great but playable. i think we can all agree that germany needs good CAS and fighters and alltought the ICE is new, with just the mentioned upgrades it wouldnt really help the situation, it wont make it worse but it also wont fix it
@@mamarussellthepie3995 did you notice that the F-4E has got: 1. the same amount of cms as the ICE, 2. cant face tt as it is 11.0 and tt is 12.7 3. has a WAY BETTER RWR 4.wont face more than 4 12.0 planes at once 5.can and will get downtiered to 10.0. now think of the ICE: 1.7 brs higher, worse airframe, worse RWR, same amount of flares, missiles that are the minimum standart for its br nowadays. would you really say the F-4E is a bad aircraft? (i think so) and if you just answered with yes, isnt the ICE a way worse aircraft and a tt one too? you can get F-15s in the US tree and have fun, germany cant since the ICE is the ONLY fox 3 carrier they get and the "best" tt they have, thats the biggest point IMO, just the fact that you cant get any better aircraft or just play something else.
id personally say the Gripen's fm is better for air rb imo, I just dont like how the F-15's locks up at higher speeds and the gun placement is horrible
whats FM?
@@jjnmr flight model
Ngl
The locking up at high speeds kinda helps it not just dump like a flanker 😂
Oh and the gun placement is porfekt
@@mamarussellthepie3995 yeah but then you can have smth like the gripen that doesnt lock up as much and also doesnt just shit away all of its speed in 1 turn.
And the F-15's combination of locking up and the awful gun placement make it really hard to get shots on people
The gun placement leads to a nice 9 seconds of trigger time though, so you can be on the trigger a little earlier if that's your issue.
The gun convergence really doesn't make too much a difference if your gun conversion is set to 500m since the shots taken past that are realistically too low of probability of hit, let alone PK.
Why is it that google and other on the surface websites include .mil sites say it can carry up to 8 AIM 120s? With pictures of this and video evidence.. surely their reasoning is towards balance and NOT because they "Gaijin" doesn't believe it.
LOL i knew it, I called this way back with that whole abrams debacle thing , i just knew they were gonna pull some bs when these missiles came out. tbh expect more of this as you get more and more advanced/modern stuff, cus the more classified the stuff the more BS they can pull
8:28 my pilot died there which unable's me to shot back at you and flare xD ( skill issue )
hey, hey seek SEEEK FLIGHT PERFORMANCE
cant get over how much you sound like spookton
Idk if there was an f15 buff from when the A was dropped but after trying the dev server I tried the f15 again, it feels so much better more
Just another reason to not touch Gaijin's biased bullshit.
Honesty people who say the Aim-120A isn’t enough haven’t played the dev server, the 120s are absolutely cracked and have been the only ARHs that I die too. I could just be doing something wrong but even when flying extremely low and popping chaff I still get hit with them from 10 KM away.
How much you wanna bet the F-20 wont receive its 4 AMRAAMs it can carry under the wings and the Zuni pods it has been missing since release?
Also cant wait to see the update release and the A-6E TRAM still be unusable with its Paveways still being bugged and not working properly despite it moving up in BR twice now and that being the ONLY good A2G weapons it has.
AFAIK It could carry in theory 8 AMRAAMs but realistically only 4 were carried on the belly hard points and 2 AIM-9 under each wing station + 1 Drop Tank under each wing station.
Yes, it could but it’s just commonly they used 4x4. But that’s like saying the F14 shouldn’t be able to carry 6 AIM54s just because they rarely do that irl.
This exactly how I felt when the mig 29 was added and they removed the r73, gijin just loves cucking jets for some reason
The R73 was stronger than it is today and would be competing with unbuffed magics (less pull, less energy retention, no irccm) and aim 9ls (less pull, no irccm) you cant argue that its more balanced. The SU27SM is insane, I have had a consistent 3 k/d ratio in the normal su 27 while only having a 2 k/d ratio in the f15. Having r27ets, ers, r77s and r73 is insane. In my opinion its flight model has been great too. Not as good as the eagle but you can definetly do work with it.
Thry were going to add it with r73s that were in excess of the capabilities thry have now with no counterpart. Do you seriously not remeber that? It wasnt gimped for no reason. If it had been given thag loadout it would have been busted. With the f15 its being artificially limited against planes with superior loadouts.
How do you get his decal? 🦅
Having smaller games will not change anything regarding how the game plays. You will still have a furball in the middle of the match unless additional objectives are added requiring completion before you can win the match.
People keep speaking on RUclips videos as they are speaking for the community when they say they want smaller matches. I see no evidence of this with exception of Reddit posts, claiming the same misinformation.
If you want to see a change in ARB matches, you must give objectives that pull and keep planes from gathering in the middle of a giant furball and flinging missiles at each other.
This will require a significant change and how the matches happen. Reducing will not change unless you go to 2v2 which at that point you should just be playing a custom match because you want to dogfight.
FINALLY! SOMEONE WITH A FUCKING BRAIN!
FUCK! 😂
And the most ironic part of their ramblings is that in 16v16, low pop vs low pop engagements ALREADY HAPPEN by the end of most matches 🤣 and after that, 1v1s ensue! Lol. . .
i think that Gajin doesn't want to see another f14 situation.
do you remember what happened?
Anything is dead on arrival with US mains
F111
F104
F84F
F106
Shall i go on 🤓
as an Israeli main who gets basically all the American stuff, US mains are pussies. I would definitely like to have a 6 and 2 loady, but I care way more about not having the BOL pods. the gripen used them irl, and it got them. the f15 used them irl, it better get them
@@mamarussellthepie3995f106 isn't in the game
As a US main this isn't true with all of us, I am very excited for the F-15C MSIP II
@@batlax18you only had to grind 4 ranks to get all the American shit😂 most US mains spent double or triple the amount of time grinding the nation only for other nations to get better ones. I play Russia and Sweden now because everyone does, me and my homies see Israeli mains as pussies lol
“It just look a little silly” Yeah no dude, this is a straight up example of bias. There is no reason not to add the other 4 missiles. The only reason why the “argument” is tiring is because people blatantly ignore information exactly like this.
How is it Russian bias though if the Russian stuff isn’t the best?
@@SeekerHeadwell, tbh the 27ER is the best SARH missile (even though all radar missiles are nearly useless with current MP) and 29SMT’s radar is the best radar ig but that’s all, won’t help much against any player in any other non-Soviet plane who has more than 0 braincells
@@SeekerHeadhow is the Russian stuff not the best? Lmao. Bruh.
@@SeekerHeadbruh
@@SeekerHead they are Just npcs, it's like talking to a wall
Bug reports have been made and Gaijin is definitely aware of it. This is just a dev server and the weaponry loadouts, etc are very likely just copypasted holders.
i think, even if its sad for accuracy reasons, an f-15C with 8 aim120s would be too powerful imo.
Great video. Agreed with most of the points with mostly everything except the server stability with 8 amraams. If it were the case then they would or should have also limited the amount of fox 3s to 4 in all respective planes.
That was kinda a joke 😅
Anyone know if the 15J Kai can carry 8 AAM4s irl as well? I’m assuming it could and hoping hahah
Yes
@@SeekerHead so here’s to hoping for all f15s for their irl loadouts then.
@@coolasianinja5851 It can't, it can carry 8 Amraams, but it cannot carry 8 AAM4s due to them being larger
What we really need is a new game nto run by Russian devs.
2:40 pretty much all F-16s now have 19km HMD/ACM range as well, there was period they had 9km. Mirages 2k also have 19km, USN Phantoms as well.
Gripens also
What’s up with the weight? Saw Lee say it’s modeled wrong? I’m assuming too heavy ofc but how much too heavy we talkin…
Allegedly ( I don’t know anything about this stuff) it is currently 500 kg over weight. Which, if corrected, should make it almost the same as the F15JKai
Could be worse...you could be getting an F4G
I want that too. Would be a cool extention of the f4e and giving america back the best f4
@@casematecardinalThe F-4G is a dedicated Wild Weasel platform. It would not be the best Phantom in War Thunder. What I want is an 80s F-4E, with European camo and newer missiles.
@@majorborngusfluunduch8694 a phantom with 9m and anti-r missiles is far more useful than one with amraams and 9L
@@casematecardinal The F-4E didnt get AMRAAMs. Even if It did, I'm gonna need an explanation on how a SEAD weapon is more useful in War Thunder (which has no assets to use them against) than an advanced Active Radar Homing missile (which again it didn't get, but that's not the point).
@@majorborngusfluunduch8694 fo4 one I never said anything about the f4e having amraams. I was comparing it to the f4f which would currently be the best f4. Also sead can be used against any radar aa which would be easy targets and the biggest threat to cas which th4 f4 excels at. So yes the f4g would absolutely be better than an f4 fighting 4th gen fighters with ahr and irccm missiles where it will get clapped.
Moving on from the AIM-120 controversy, the current F-15C now REALLY is one of the top dog by just having 2 more assets compared to the mid F-15A that i fiercely held a point on them, HMD and decent BVR capabilities.
I'm glad that the gaslight around the first F-15A is going to burst from this patch onwards.
its been 3 years on you are still compelling about the f-15 a being bad it literally faces f4 phantoms
@@ferrous3262 It is opressive against F-4s and there's no point denying that, but it's still subpar to 12.7 and upcoming 13.0 stuff, as the flight performance is the only thing it really has on its sleeve to make a real difference in those ranks, and you're not using flight performance that much in a 16v16 gamemode which still has furballs as the common engagement and not the exception.
You people were WRONG, and there's no point on denying that as well.
they screwing over the mig 21 bison by not giving it the r77's
F20 too, lol.
they are not. it will legit be unuseable at 12.7 brother
Im pretty sure the f15 radar has also the ability to lock people from like 150km cause of dcs. (wich doesnt matter ingame) and so faar if noticed that the amraam seeker head seems to be the best. but it could just be my feeling.
Unpopular opinion: since once I’m done spading the plane I mainly fly it in ground rb for pest control (aka su25’s and ka50’s removal) I’d much rather have the opportunity of loading 8 aim9m’s since the smokeless motor makes them a way better threat than aim7 or 120’s
If the flare pods are added i would take 2 ir, 4 fox3, and a pod.
The BOL pods are integrated into the pylon, like on the gripen. You don’t have to take less missiles
@@SeekerHead even better!
I really hope they give the new f15 counter measure pods like the F14 has
Because few F-15C's fly with 8 AIM-120's
What people need instead of a lower cap of players in a match we need air rb ec
Gaijin is full of bad decision making. I only play now to waste time and talk to my online friends. I'd love to get them all on DCS but with our schedules and family lives it's a lot harder to get everyone on board. All that being said, where is the US AV-8B+? Why can't the F-111 drop bombs above mach? Why can't most planes drop above mach? Why so many SU-25 variants but only one tech tree and one premium A-10?
At your request.. FLIGHT MODEL
could the f15 not carry 6x amraam and 4x 9m?? the 9m pylons are on the side of the inner-underwing pylons and the amraams would go on the bottom of those same pylons and i dont think they would conflict? no? idk im just an idiot
The bottom part of the wing pylon is for fuel only. 8 missiles max, any combo
The Su-27SM with the same dogshit FM and not even the SM3's upgraded engines or the 2 additional pylons: 💀💀💀
Also SMT's radar got nerfed it's gimbal
whats FM?
@@jjnmr Flight model. Both mig 29 and su 27 have a dogshit dm for top tier bcz us mains cried about it
@@guvyygvuhh298the su27 fm is most certainly not dogshit unless it got changed within the last 2 months or so, i havent played in a while
@@dilldoe1991 Was changed a month after launch and it cannot compete with any other top tier jets FM wise. 1-2 turns and u are out of energy. Heard some ppl say its better with the "new boosters" mod uninstalled
hahahah God damit i made it into you video x) i was the F16 you shot. I wanted your seeker but. But you got me x)
yes Jelsontriniti .. I AM :D
Haha, I should’ve used privacy mode
F15 needs its missing thrust, its bol pods, its ability to carry 6 to 8 120s and maybe not yet but it used the aim-9x
Watch them add a better version of the r-77 on the su 27 like how they did with the mig 29 on launch with the r-27ER.
Too strong cannot be excuse since Su-27 got 6*R-27E in Air Superiority, bringing back ‘Danger Zone’ flashback that easily without any restriction.
Complaining about 8 amraam is just double standard.
Even R-77 vs AIM-120 gap isn’t that big as R-27ER vs AIM-7M does.