I personally don't see the bloodshed tree as pointless, in large groups of rats, bandits, and other enemies the deception skill can stack very easily. I did personal testing by respec-ing everything to match all my different possible combinations, being level 53, and upon using deception once while everything was in cunning and bloodshed, literally flew through a crowd of marauders on the To Grandmas House mission. Sniper and Cunning are still my favorites, yes, but with the perks in cunning and bloodshed, you can make a ridiculously fast moving and quick damage-outputting close to mid range character. I had 60% or something close extra movement speed and 24% gun damage anytime I killed an enemy from the bloodshed tree, and 35% extra movement speed while in deception from the Cunning tree. So no, it's not pointless. Just not good for one on one raid bosses. But it shreds through crowds and creates a very fast paced intense Zero character build. Not my fav, but not sucky.
Melee zer0 is all about setting the enemies up. You have the slagga, slag them real quick, go into deception, from begind and dash them, kill them 1 hit bro Except bosses, they some sumbitches
I like the bloodshot tree when equipped with a rapier and a nova/thumper shield combined with many must fall. I find the bloodshot tree is the only way to play with a friend who stacks anarchy on mechromancer alot, which makes sniping almost obsolete and not fun to play with. But with bosses, I have points in rising shot to help out. Or respec when needed.
in my opinion I like bloodshed the best because of that chain move and the you can get your melee +500% and another skill that gives +45% damage if you hit them from the back, I use moods to make some of those skills up so I can 1 shot kill most enemy's, another skill in bloodshed is when you kill something with melee you get health.
the law and order combo plus huge bonus melee makes it a 1 shot most of the time and the final skill makes it so you can fly around the battlefield killing anything in your way all the while in deception
I believe is you use the Skullmasher sniper with the Bee shield you can get maximum sniper damage. This is from 10,000x5 base damage for the sniper and the amp damage from the shield is added to each bullet from the sniper. So 10,000+45,000x5=275,000 and thats without any other multipliers.
Cunning has an amazing damage output if you're geared properly, and has the best gun versatility of the three trees. With Cunning, you can really use any of the gun types if you want, whereas with Sniping, you're virtually required to use a Sniper Rifle at ALL times, and with Bloodshed, you're stuck with Melee, Shotguns, and Pistols. Cunning, however, when specced properly, gives you the ability to wield ANY gun extremely well.
@luca van antwerpen, crit.asc only stacks up with sniper rifles. And if you switch to a weapon which is not a sniper, open your inventory, or access a ammo booth, the stack will disappear almost instantly.
Ok, melee it's definitely not good with bosses, but it's fucking awesome with any crowds. "Normally you can't kill things with melee anyway" Haha what the fuck, put any amount of bandits near my assassin, and he will kill them all with one deception. I've even killed badasses bandits in one hit with the right weapon. And if you don't kill a badass, killing blow will do the rest. Also, Law + Order it's awesome, if you can't kill something, you keep melee attacking, hoping for counter strike or killing blow, without losing much health. Too bad I'm using the rapier now. I haven't played UVHM a lot, but it's seem more difficult trying to do melee there.
William Kelley That's definitely not true. Zer0 melee may not be the most useful boss killer, but killing huge crowds of people with a single deception and the law/order combo is literally what melee zer0 is made for. With the huge hp gain from a melee it can wade through enimies and slice through like they were butter. Zer0 isn't a character you should take any build tree seriously with because sniping is really the only good one, but it's a character you are meant to have fun with instead.
True, I did more math and found that the rocket launcher that fires 3x ~300k rockets (I never remember any of the names XC) deals 940 million with 600 stacks of anarchy. Get a relic that increases launcher damage by juuust enough, and you have a billion damage gun in your hand :I
I think the bloodshed tree is good with the kunai in the cunning tree because in ultimate vault hunter slag and other elements plus the strong melee mark and exploding decoy
thats why as a sniper you try to stay a bit away from the action and snipe. its obviously not for everyone but generally the skill trees give you the option to what kind of snipe you want to be. The Assassin is generally the far away or really close up killer.
The bloodshed skill tree is great for taking out mobs, I have it set up so that when i hit someone with the law pistol, my order shield heals me. So I may not be too great for the invincibles, but just playing through the game was super easy. I will however be respecing for the invincibles.
here is a powerfull tip, the gun you get from Marcus, the gun with drawings on and such, it explodes sometimes while reload, and every time it does that, you stack bonus damage and magiazine, that way i can stack up damage until i can do 700k-5M damage all the time with a standard level 50 shotgun (i use a 6300x13dmg) and I managed to hit 750k-1m with a Jacobs pistol (1100dmg) that way i can hit a lot more than 11M with a good sniper rifle if i want to (and im commando). try it! :)
The Bunker which give you a very good shield "The Sham". The Warrior for the shotgun. The Black Queen for the Nukem and many more you can search them up.
it was to show that it can deal really good damage. if you got a friend or 2 with a slag weapon and the time to aim down sights it will still deal 3 million damage.
A lot of people dog the bloodshed tree but with the addition of "Captain Blade's Rapier" assault rifle that gives +200% melee damage you can find yourself cloaked through entire group battles quite easily.
I actually like the assassin mainly FOR the melee bonuses. I have a soldier and his turret works great, but it's much more fun to run around slicing guys up. Even if you can't kill them, at least it adds a different aspect to the game besides Shoot, Reload, Shoot, Kill, Turn In, New Mission, etc.
I agree with you. He also says that normally you can't kill one things with melee. That's just not true. With a gun that has a good melee modifier (I use 100%, best I found so far) and [Killing Bl0w], [Ir0n Hand], [Be Like Water], [Backstab], [Resurgance], [Like The Wind], [Ambush] you get 220% melee and in optimal situation (low [Killing Bl0w] and [C0unter Strike]) you get 970%. Even if that doesn't kill a boss, that's one hell of a build for difficult targets.
This is indeed a great skill tree, but as you mentioned, Cunnings last ability... Is amazing haha x) and well, the Last Ability in the sniping tree is, to be honest still shit, it is incredibly rare gaining high stacks with it. The build i'd personally recommend is FIRST OF ALL get an infinity, then just stack points in One Shot One Kill and Rising Shot tree, as the infinity's shots always counts as your first shot from your magazine, you can get some proper redicolous damage output.
I must say, that is fairly decent for a gunzerker, which is why I enjoy playing as one, due to the ability to get massive damage with money shot. My highest recorded money shot was in the range of 43724k on the target dummy, whilst slagged, with a the bee that ampped for somewhere near 36000.
Have you seen the spread of the bullets? maybe it's just me but I don't see any of the bullet missing when I fire that rifle at long range, unless you try to shoot a mouse at a ridiculous range...
I dont find anything past the third tier in the sniping skill tree to be useful at all, so I put most of my points into cunning to get the kunai and the bonus damage after a "successful ranged attack" that stacks up to 5 times for +50% gun damage. bore is great for hyperius and one shot one kill is great for an infinity pistol.
1) yes. 2) the skullsmasher (which is 6 projectiles, and no ricochet) still only gets bee damage once and isn't very accurate. Would still get higher damage but isn't as good as most other snipers at long range. 3) There's no such legendary relic. There are just regular stockpile relics that give up to 55% more ammo capacity to any weapon (and up to 3 grenades if I'm not mistaken). 4) his bee is already max damage. I've seen many bee shields by now but none over +46k.
He's right about melee being generally ineffective against bosses, but against a horde of weaker enemies it can be absolutely devastating with a maxed out bloodshed tree, by chaining one kill after another during deception (assuming you get them all with one-hit kills...if you only damage the enemy enough to weaken and not kill, your deception will end and that strategy fails). But that's why he said its use is situational. One exception is with the Law & Order combination. The Law revolver adds a 100% melee (as opposed to the normal bladed gun bonus of 50%), and the Order shield gives a fairly high roid damage increase. But the best part of this combination is that each melee strike gives a huge amount of health regeneration. So it's actually better to allow your shield to drain fully, *then* start melee attacking. This would only be effective against a boss if you can regen health faster than he can do damage to you. To the commenter that mentioned 650% melee damage during deception, that's only partially correct. The tree says *up to* 650%, meaning that the longer you stay in deception, the higher that bonus is...if you strike the opponent right before the 5 second deception timer is up, only then will you get close to 650. But if you hit them soon after starting deception, that bonus will be fairly low.
It's a while been since I've made a lvl 50 build, but for a good sniper I'd drop the points in optics and kill confirmed, put 4 in accuracy or velocity, depending on if you snipe more scoped or unscoped (and if you use a pimpernel), and 5 in fast hands, FH lets you utilize OSOK more often. With crit.asc. decay speed becomes essential, kill confirmed does not work well with this, the points are better spent getting rising shot or grim, depending on playstyle. The remaining points i'd spend in EITHER: fearless/ambush, rising shot, innervate if you play offensively and want damage, OR: killing blow/iron hand, grim, followthrough if you play defensively. Grim with a big shield eats DoT for breakfast. For a lvl 72 build I'd take both those paths, kunai, death mark, and remanding in fearless/ambush. Also, a ninja zero highly outperforms a sniper zero in terms of efficiency, a sniper has to work a lot harder for kills at higher levels.
Believe me after you get the execute and backstabber skills, you will be killing almost anything with one melee attack. Having the last skill from the bloodshed is THE awesomest thing.
Yes, over 11 million. However, during battle. how many headhots will you get in a row and once the Bee receives a hit, it depletes and the effect is gone until it regenerates again. It's a lot, but only for statistics. During battle it cannot help much......for better or not, Zer0's strength is his melee. His melee does a lot of damage on PT1, but on TVH Mode, 90% of the enemies are shielded. Even with Backstab, you'll be lucky to drop their shields and a bit of health, let alone chain killing.
actually, you can still exploit the bee + conference call, and the bee + flakker is a nice option as well. i can still take down terramorphous easily with my conference call + bee; the nerf was light enough that it only makes me take 5 or 6 extra shots to kill him.
4:27 The skullsmasher is probably the highest damaging sniper in the game. 9123X5 damage, and the bee's amp damage is added before the multiplier. Without the bee it is around 250K crits. Imagine WITH the bee. OP
Thanx for the info! I've been wondering how my friends had such ridiculous damage dealing points when they shot their weapons. Now I have a better idea. Thanx again. :)
oh nice. I'm using zero right now sniper build. its fun. i had mordikhai (or how ever you spell it lol) for B1. i play 360 as well if u want help lvling
I just about gave up on my Assassin because I was kinda bored with it, but this makes me wanna pick it back up. I actually also have the Skullmasher rifle so I'm wondering if I can't push it higher. >=) Great job, though, this was extremely informative.
I also enjoy playing zer0 as a "soldier" skilling the important things on the middle tree, like the reload time, the exploding hologram, and death blossom ofc Then getting optics, precision,velocity and bore and then two points in iron hand ! with the survivor mod, it gives you great survivability, but also nice damage with every weapon type :) Because i am always a bit lost as a sniper against terramorphus for example, and those kunais are so awesome o.O
It's rough starting off with Zer0 at first but it pays off in the long run. If you go Bloodshed and pick the right perks, you can kill multiple foes without them even knowing what killed them (Many Must Fall is what I'm talking about). The best advice I can give to you is to wait until there's a second left in Decepti0n and then strike! You'll kill them 90% of the time and if it's a Badass enemy, then you'll deplete their shield and take a chunk of health off them.
skullmasher fires 5 pellets, you get more crit than hawkeye when all 5 hit the head. and that is usually not the case when u are sniping. skullmasher med-close range, hawkeye long range.
yeah. if you got borderlands 1 and didn't buy secret armory of general knoxx you'd cap out at around 50. the main reason why i bought the dlc for borderlands 1 was to raise the level cap. i just hope they don't do it the same way for borderlands 2.
Actually the blood shed perks increases ur melee damage like the execute that actually increases ur melee damage 2 qnd attacking from the behind is also quite useful cuz u can just sneak up from the behind and attack and the low health kill let's u kill enemy's with higher health
As Zero I invested in sniping and bloodshed. Emptied a rifle cartrige from a distance tgen put deception on for many must fall. It was one hit kills and they five higher then me.
the bloodshed is one of the best skill trees but it depends on tour build and gear you have the best setup is Hide of terramorphos, a ninja class mod, a cool down relic, chain lightning, captin blades rapier and a moxi weapon to heal. I've 2 shotted boss like warrior, bunker etc.
7:38 No, it gives you more bonus damage if you use the ≈10 shots in your magazine for your other skill with the 999 stacks than "use" them for the +108% bonus dmg from fully magazine
honestly the stacks should be like anarchy for mechromancers, instead of disappearing after a certain amount of time they should go down slowly if you don't get a critical until you get another
speaking as an original borderlands Mordecai impersonator, i feel that Roland and Bloodwing were equally big losses. Angel was also a pretty substantial loss but come on, it was her final salvation. I will forever reminisce of the lighthearted silent marauding soldier who could only be known as Roland. Salute to him.
I want to buy this game and I have to questions. First, is there 4 save lots so you can make 1 game with each characters? and aslo if you can do 4 games, if you use your golden key in 1, would you still have it?
what you on about? in bloodshed with you easily one hit kill and can stack it upto 6 enemies, or can save up to one hit kill a stronger enemy with a back stab, captain blades cursed weapons are made for bloodshed skill tree, +200% melee weapon, another relic and shield that also help out with the tree. you really should check those out instead of going cunning melee
dont doubt the bloodshed tree until you run around using counter blow and killing blow, ive executed TONS of bosses with it after marking them with marked for death and the exploding kunai
TheChallengeAwaits does the stack only work with snipers? or couldn't you just raise your stacks with all your non sniper wepons ammo and then try to get a huge hit
Grim is a good skill when you have low health... *You quickly regenerate shields and reduces your Action Skill Cooldown Rate for a few seconds.* And you don't need to kill an enemy with a melee strike to activate it.
I think I have a better combo... Infinite Ammo/no reloading glitch Evil Smasher double/triple buff on all your guns. Maliwan Volcano/E-Tech Vladof Sniper Rifle. Because the Volcano has a blast radius, you can shot the ground behind the enemies cover, still transfering massive damage. Or you can go absolutely nuts with the Vladof.
I love the bloodshed skill tree especially the many must fall perk, I built my assassin to deal tons of melee damage. I can easily deal 100k+ and mow throw a group of enemies.
This video has been up for a while and I am sure you have seen or read about this by now but the bloodshed tree can still be viable even against boss fights as shown. Some of them are done with the Law and order build but the point being is that bosses can still be fought as a melee styled assassin (excuse the obnoxious music): /watch?v=6F9HkeaRFiY and /watch?v=UlObhsgraUs and /watch?v=xOIyMJHxjy0
not anymore unless the skullmasher does not have a X shot muliplier on the card. Only guns like the Sand Hawk with no bullet muliplier (but shoot mulitple shots) get that boost after the patch. I dont have a skullmasher yet so Im not 100%.
If you spec zero's bloodshed tree right and use the right class mod and relic along with the gun law and the shield order you can do mire damage than using a gun
no problem with full bloodshed here, haven't gotten order yet, but with law and decent snipers....pretty damn viable. one shot lots of mobs, so the last talent is actually more viable than you think.
Okay, I went through and tested Cunning. EVERYONE... PLAY... CUNNING... It's probably the best spec of the three and is the most versatile. First off, you can throw kunai that can cause any of the 5 elemental effects EVERY TIME you go into Deception. Not to mention that you can also use Deception as a quick self-heal, and your gun choice is MUCH more advanced than Bloodshed or Sniping.
If you're not in TVHM bloodshed CAN easily kill in one melee strike if you backstab at a distance so your dash damage is increased. Also if your 5s deception counter is almost a zero, your damage is also buffed! So its a good skill tree before TVHM, after that it sucks
Just got the game bout a week ago (week ago lmao), but man when you get zero's crit up he's so fun to play with. You drop robots and dudes with the quickness.
A good build imo would be to have skills in Bloodshed and Cunning Skills enough to have Death Bl0ss0m, you could have any but I prefer Fearless and Fast Hands (Cunning) for their universally better uses. Then Ir0n Hand, Grim, and Execute maxed out on Bloodshed. The Death Bl0ss0ms can deal massive damage to almost any enemy or boss and leave them with all the elemental damage types at once, including Slag which increases damage from those types AND the final melee-blow for insane total damage.
Bloodshed is great,if you use it well,also works gear in boss fights,just you cant melee them all the time.you start depending on boss with ranged weaponry,do a few massive melees with counter-strike.killing blow makes sure you finish them off.I have no ide he said its not good for what so ever ,its great survival build O.O
I one hit people with the melee build all the time, you just need to know what to have equipped to make it effective, I'm currently running with The Law pistol and the Order shield, both of which you get from Marshall in Sanctuary, with both equipped, any enemy you kill, transfers the extra damage into health. I also run down the Cunning skill tree until I get the Marked ability which increases all damage dealt to targets, making it very easy to one hit just about every enemy in the game.
With Bloodshed u need a grop control skill tree but i do get the snupin tree but if ur the guy to control minions that a grreat tree but the assasin and gunzerker are the main damage people for bosses the a siren is the healer with great status efect wile the cunzerker can control the voss
King has a point. Even if he was pr0 MLG every shot is a head shot sniper, those stacks would still decay before he could get them high enough to do serious damage.
Hey! Great video, but I've got a qustion or a thing I'd like to discuss actually. I've got a Lyuda and changed it for my Tumtum Muckamuk and I feel like it's easier to get Critical Ascensi0n stacks up, as the weapon has insane fire rate and close to zer0 recoil, but I'm still not sure if it's worth using. I know it's a legendary and all... but still confused. Any thoughts?
lol, if you get melee damage increases (via guns such as the law, class mods, relics, and most of all the insane increases inside the tree itself) then you can wipe out whole groups with many must fall, the only downside to that build is that fighting raid bosses is hard and requires good positioning, but still, a very high number of bosses can be affected by things like backstab and killing blow.
Are you the guy from khan academy?
Nick Derian lmao idk y this is so funny
@@scum3112 he's the guy who makes you pass
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Bloodshed is about killing ads and feeling like a badass at that
what about death blossom which can give the slag effect which is basically required in uvhm
Ok so when will this apply in a normal situation
Lilith didn't die. She was my only character in Borderlands 1, so I'm glad lol
Haha i love it when it says "L0L" near the enemeys head in deception.
too bad im not using a sniper build :D
it can say: L0L, 1337, GTFO and W3AK
MegaInsaneMC
Not sure if seuriues or trying to make fun of me >_>
MrSmoofist I'm serious. No lies :3
MegaInsaneMC
Cool :D
MrSmoofist :D I was playing TVHM earlier to try out some new builds :3
I personally don't see the bloodshed tree as pointless, in large groups of rats, bandits, and other enemies the deception skill can stack very easily. I did personal testing by respec-ing everything to match all my different possible combinations, being level 53, and upon using deception once while everything was in cunning and bloodshed, literally flew through a crowd of marauders on the To Grandmas House mission. Sniper and Cunning are still my favorites, yes, but with the perks in cunning and bloodshed, you can make a ridiculously fast moving and quick damage-outputting close to mid range character. I had 60% or something close extra movement speed and 24% gun damage anytime I killed an enemy from the bloodshed tree, and 35% extra movement speed while in deception from the Cunning tree. So no, it's not pointless. Just not good for one on one raid bosses. But it shreds through crowds and creates a very fast paced intense Zero character build. Not my fav, but not sucky.
Yeah melee is pretty fun and does work quite well the guy in the vid must not have been using the right gear
Vantablack BMX everything you said he said in the video basically
Stryker Hill he said it works good but not for bosses. on op 8 that's a fact no matter what gear.
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HOLY SHIT, Thank you. I was having such a hard time in UVHM and this is makingg it actually playable!!!
Melee zer0 is all about setting the enemies up. You have the slagga, slag them real quick, go into deception, from begind and dash them, kill them 1 hit bro
Except bosses, they some sumbitches
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I like the bloodshot tree when equipped with a rapier and a nova/thumper shield combined with many must fall.
I find the bloodshot tree is the only way to play with a friend who stacks anarchy on mechromancer alot, which makes sniping almost obsolete and not fun to play with.
But with bosses, I have points in rising shot to help out. Or respec when needed.
in my opinion I like bloodshed the best because of that chain move and the you can get your melee +500% and another skill that gives +45% damage if you hit them from the back, I use moods to make some of those skills up so I can 1 shot kill most enemy's, another skill in bloodshed is when you kill something with melee you get health.
law and order or rapier, goes amazing with melee builds
I have an assault rifle that gives +200%
the law and order combo plus huge bonus melee makes it a 1 shot most of the time and the final skill makes it so you can fly around the battlefield killing anything in your way all the while in deception
bloodshed is amazing with the rapier and love thumper
Ty Young 100% agree
never mind the terramorphous, that dude strapped to the thing at Marcus' is the real invincible monster haha
I have a sniper rifle with + 560% crit damage
I believe is you use the Skullmasher sniper with the Bee shield you can get maximum sniper damage. This is from 10,000x5 base damage for the sniper and the amp damage from the shield is added to each bullet from the sniper. So 10,000+45,000x5=275,000 and thats without any other multipliers.
wouldn't it be easier to stack up with like an SMG?
Only sniper headshots stack
Kreezorable I see, didn't notice that.
Cunning has an amazing damage output if you're geared properly, and has the best gun versatility of the three trees. With Cunning, you can really use any of the gun types if you want, whereas with Sniping, you're virtually required to use a Sniper Rifle at ALL times, and with Bloodshed, you're stuck with Melee, Shotguns, and Pistols. Cunning, however, when specced properly, gives you the ability to wield ANY gun extremely well.
bloodshed is the best skill tree
@luca van antwerpen, crit.asc only stacks up with sniper rifles. And if you switch to a weapon which is not a sniper, open your inventory, or access a ammo booth, the stack will disappear almost instantly.
Ok, melee it's definitely not good with bosses, but it's fucking awesome with any crowds.
"Normally you can't kill things with melee anyway" Haha what the fuck, put any amount of bandits near my assassin, and he will kill them all with one deception. I've even killed badasses bandits in one hit with the right weapon. And if you don't kill a badass, killing blow will do the rest.
Also, Law + Order it's awesome, if you can't kill something, you keep melee attacking, hoping for counter strike or killing blow, without losing much health. Too bad I'm using the rapier now.
I haven't played UVHM a lot, but it's seem more difficult trying to do melee there.
Especially now, with the op8. You can't melee for shit in crowds, since your assassin is already dead.
William Kelley That's definitely not true. Zer0 melee may not be the most useful boss killer, but killing huge crowds of people with a single deception and the law/order combo is literally what melee zer0 is made for. With the huge hp gain from a melee it can wade through enimies and slice through like they were butter. Zer0 isn't a character you should take any build tree seriously with because sniping is really the only good one, but it's a character you are meant to have fun with instead.
True, I did more math and found that the rocket launcher that fires 3x ~300k rockets (I never remember any of the names XC) deals 940 million with 600 stacks of anarchy. Get a relic that increases launcher damage by juuust enough, and you have a billion damage gun in your hand :I
If you use Melee Krieg/Zer0 VS Terramourphous...
*You. Will. Die. (Seriously)*
yep im still pretty sure cause in that video you can see from the skills that he was specialized in "Cunning"
I think the bloodshed tree is good with the kunai in the cunning tree because in ultimate vault hunter slag and other elements plus the strong melee mark and exploding decoy
thats why as a sniper you try to stay a bit away from the action and snipe. its obviously not for everyone but generally the skill trees give you the option to what kind of snipe you want to be. The Assassin is generally the far away or really close up killer.
The bloodshed skill tree is great for taking out mobs, I have it set up so that when i hit someone with the law pistol, my order shield heals me. So I may not be too great for the invincibles, but just playing through the game was super easy. I will however be respecing for the invincibles.
here is a powerfull tip, the gun you get from Marcus, the gun with drawings on and such, it explodes sometimes while reload, and every time it does that, you stack bonus damage and magiazine, that way i can stack up damage until i can do 700k-5M damage all the time with a standard level 50 shotgun (i use a 6300x13dmg) and I managed to hit 750k-1m with a Jacobs pistol (1100dmg) that way i can hit a lot more than 11M with a good sniper rifle if i want to (and im commando). try it! :)
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Plays ear-blasting music halfway through
[Especially after you've turned him up to hear his quiet voice]
The Bunker which give you a very good shield "The Sham". The Warrior for the shotgun. The Black Queen for the Nukem and many more you can search them up.
Bloodshed is the good because of alk the additional melee damage and you can continue to kill enemies one by one with execute/many must fall
Its his class mod, any skill affected by your class mod shows up as blue and the total with the mod added to it
does he benefit from the 9/5 skills or are the extra 4 points in his talents from his mod useless?
it was to show that it can deal really good damage. if you got a friend or 2 with a slag weapon and the time to aim down sights it will still deal 3 million damage.
A lot of people dog the bloodshed tree but with the addition of "Captain Blade's Rapier" assault rifle that gives +200% melee damage you can find yourself cloaked through entire group battles quite easily.
I actually like the assassin mainly FOR the melee bonuses. I have a soldier and his turret works great, but it's much more fun to run around slicing guys up. Even if you can't kill them, at least it adds a different aspect to the game besides Shoot, Reload, Shoot, Kill, Turn In, New Mission, etc.
I agree with you. He also says that normally you can't kill one things with melee. That's just not true. With a gun that has a good melee modifier (I use 100%, best I found so far) and [Killing Bl0w], [Ir0n Hand], [Be Like Water], [Backstab], [Resurgance], [Like The Wind], [Ambush] you get 220% melee and in optimal situation (low [Killing Bl0w] and [C0unter Strike]) you get 970%. Even if that doesn't kill a boss, that's one hell of a build for difficult targets.
This is indeed a great skill tree, but as you mentioned, Cunnings last ability... Is amazing haha x) and well, the Last Ability in the sniping tree is, to be honest still shit, it is incredibly rare gaining high stacks with it.
The build i'd personally recommend is FIRST OF ALL get an infinity, then just stack points in One Shot One Kill and Rising Shot tree, as the infinity's shots always counts as your first shot from your magazine, you can get some proper redicolous damage output.
I must say, that is fairly decent for a gunzerker, which is why I enjoy playing as one, due to the ability to get massive damage with money shot. My highest recorded money shot was in the range of 43724k on the target dummy, whilst slagged, with a the bee that ampped for somewhere near 36000.
Have you seen the spread of the bullets? maybe it's just me but I don't see any of the bullet missing when I fire that rifle at long range, unless you try to shoot a mouse at a ridiculous range...
Nice video. I've tried melee, but find it extremely item dependent and play style specific. Sniper Zer0 has a special place with me. I LOVE IT xD
I dont find anything past the third tier in the sniping skill tree to be useful at all, so I put most of my points into cunning to get the kunai and the bonus damage after a "successful ranged attack" that stacks up to 5 times for +50% gun damage. bore is great for hyperius and one shot one kill is great for an infinity pistol.
1) yes. 2) the skullsmasher (which is 6 projectiles, and no ricochet) still only gets bee damage once and isn't very accurate. Would still get higher damage but isn't as good as most other snipers at long range. 3) There's no such legendary relic. There are just regular stockpile relics that give up to 55% more ammo capacity to any weapon (and up to 3 grenades if I'm not mistaken). 4) his bee is already max damage. I've seen many bee shields by now but none over +46k.
He's right about melee being generally ineffective against bosses, but against a horde of weaker enemies it can be absolutely devastating with a maxed out bloodshed tree, by chaining one kill after another during deception (assuming you get them all with one-hit kills...if you only damage the enemy enough to weaken and not kill, your deception will end and that strategy fails). But that's why he said its use is situational.
One exception is with the Law & Order combination. The Law revolver adds a 100% melee (as opposed to the normal bladed gun bonus of 50%), and the Order shield gives a fairly high roid damage increase. But the best part of this combination is that each melee strike gives a huge amount of health regeneration. So it's actually better to allow your shield to drain fully, *then* start melee attacking. This would only be effective against a boss if you can regen health faster than he can do damage to you.
To the commenter that mentioned 650% melee damage during deception, that's only partially correct. The tree says *up to* 650%, meaning that the longer you stay in deception, the higher that bonus is...if you strike the opponent right before the 5 second deception timer is up, only then will you get close to 650. But if you hit them soon after starting deception, that bonus will be fairly low.
It's a while been since I've made a lvl 50 build, but for a good sniper I'd drop the points in optics and kill confirmed, put 4 in accuracy or velocity, depending on if you snipe more scoped or unscoped (and if you use a pimpernel), and 5 in fast hands, FH lets you utilize OSOK more often. With crit.asc. decay speed becomes essential, kill confirmed does not work well with this, the points are better spent getting rising shot or grim, depending on playstyle.
The remaining points i'd spend in EITHER: fearless/ambush, rising shot, innervate if you play offensively and want damage, OR: killing blow/iron hand, grim, followthrough if you play defensively. Grim with a big shield eats DoT for breakfast.
For a lvl 72 build I'd take both those paths, kunai, death mark, and remanding in fearless/ambush.
Also, a ninja zero highly outperforms a sniper zero in terms of efficiency, a sniper has to work a lot harder for kills at higher levels.
bloodshed is actually amazing with the cunning tree, make it a hybrid, ive dealt 1818k damage with a single melee attack
Believe me after you get the execute and backstabber skills, you will be killing almost anything with one melee attack. Having the last skill from the bloodshed is THE awesomest thing.
Yes, over 11 million. However, during battle. how many headhots will you get in a row and once the Bee receives a hit, it depletes and the effect is gone until it regenerates again. It's a lot, but only for statistics. During battle it cannot help much......for better or not, Zer0's strength is his melee. His melee does a lot of damage on PT1, but on TVH Mode, 90% of the enemies are shielded. Even with Backstab, you'll be lucky to drop their shields and a bit of health, let alone chain killing.
the bloodshed tree actually kicks ass, one hits for days
actually, you can still exploit the bee + conference call, and the bee + flakker is a nice option as well. i can still take down terramorphous easily with my conference call + bee; the nerf was light enough that it only makes me take 5 or 6 extra shots to kill him.
challenge have you been using gibbed's save editor? because how else would you get the exact same tumtum muckamuck as me? (emphasis on exact)
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The skullsmasher is probably the highest damaging sniper in the game. 9123X5 damage, and the bee's amp damage is added before the multiplier. Without the bee it is around 250K crits. Imagine WITH the bee. OP
Thanx for the info! I've been wondering how my friends had such ridiculous damage dealing points when they shot their weapons. Now I have a better idea. Thanx again. :)
That's nuts.
Yes, but I'm a believer. I'm gonna try this
Ronessa Simpson i think this build is pretty good don't see any flaws. id try it. i wanna try the mechromancer
I'm working on a Siren now on my 360, I wanna try it with her...
oh nice. I'm using zero right now sniper build. its fun. i had mordikhai (or how ever you spell it lol) for B1. i play 360 as well if u want help lvling
If you use the hawk eye seraph sniper from hammerlocks hunt dlc, you get 600+ critical hit damage, which can destroy as zer0
I just about gave up on my Assassin because I was kinda bored with it, but this makes me wanna pick it back up. I actually also have the Skullmasher rifle so I'm wondering if I can't push it higher. >=) Great job, though, this was extremely informative.
cunning is by far the best build. the survivability it gives along with some sniper skills is great
You should try using the same build and tactic only do the final hit with the masher sniper.
Yes, they only raised the cap in the dlc not removed it but yes you had to get the dlc to get the increase
I also enjoy playing zer0 as a "soldier" skilling the important things on the middle tree, like the reload time, the exploding hologram, and death blossom ofc
Then getting optics, precision,velocity and bore and then two points in iron hand !
with the survivor mod, it gives you great survivability, but also nice damage with every weapon type :)
Because i am always a bit lost as a sniper against terramorphus for example, and those kunais are so awesome o.O
It's rough starting off with Zer0 at first but it pays off in the long run. If you go Bloodshed and pick the right perks, you can kill multiple foes without them even knowing what killed them (Many Must Fall is what I'm talking about). The best advice I can give to you is to wait until there's a second left in Decepti0n and then strike! You'll kill them 90% of the time and if it's a Badass enemy, then you'll deplete their shield and take a chunk of health off them.
skullmasher fires 5 pellets, you get more crit than hawkeye when all 5 hit the head. and that is usually not the case when u are sniping.
skullmasher med-close range, hawkeye long range.
yeah. if you got borderlands 1 and didn't buy secret armory of general knoxx you'd cap out at around 50. the main reason why i bought the dlc for borderlands 1 was to raise the level cap. i just hope they don't do it the same way for borderlands 2.
Actually the blood shed perks increases ur melee damage like the execute that actually increases ur melee damage 2 qnd attacking from the behind is also quite useful cuz u can just sneak up from the behind and attack and the low health kill let's u kill enemy's with higher health
I personally use dahl snipers since they shoot 3 - 5 round bursts and is very accurate, which usually works out as more damage that most other snipers
As Zero I invested in sniping and bloodshed. Emptied a rifle cartrige from a distance tgen put deception on for many must fall. It was one hit kills and they five higher then me.
the bloodshed is one of the best skill trees but it depends on tour build and gear you have the best setup is
Hide of terramorphos, a ninja class mod, a cool down relic, chain lightning, captin blades rapier and a moxi weapon to heal. I've 2 shotted boss like warrior, bunker etc.
7:38 No, it gives you more bonus damage if you use the ≈10 shots in your magazine for your other skill with the 999 stacks than "use" them for the +108% bonus dmg from fully magazine
honestly the stacks should be like anarchy for mechromancers, instead of disappearing after a certain amount of time they should go down slowly if you don't get a critical until you get another
I do. Since Borderlands, Mordecai has been my favorite video game character. I was near crying/ filled with rage when Bloodwing died.
speaking as an original borderlands Mordecai impersonator, i feel that Roland and Bloodwing were equally big losses. Angel was also a pretty substantial loss but come on, it was her final salvation. I will forever reminisce of the lighthearted silent marauding soldier who could only be known as Roland. Salute to him.
I want to buy this game and I have to questions. First, is there 4 save lots so you can make 1 game with each characters? and aslo if you can do 4 games, if you use your golden key in 1, would you still have it?
what you on about? in bloodshed with you easily one hit kill and can stack it upto 6 enemies, or can save up to one hit kill a stronger enemy with a back stab, captain blades cursed weapons are made for bloodshed skill tree, +200% melee weapon, another relic and shield that also help out with the tree. you really should check those out instead of going cunning melee
dont doubt the bloodshed tree until you run around using counter blow and killing blow, ive executed TONS of bosses with it after marking them with marked for death and the exploding kunai
TheChallengeAwaits does the stack only work with snipers? or couldn't you just raise your stacks with all your non sniper wepons ammo and then try to get a huge hit
"How to do max damage...." Increase all the skills that have increase damage.
I clearly saw with my own eyes he took out bloodwing in 3 seconds on his fire element.
The first game originally stopped at level 50 too, until the level cap was raised to 69 after the General Knoxx DLC was released.
Grim is a good skill when you have low health...
*You quickly regenerate shields and reduces your Action Skill Cooldown Rate for a few seconds.*
And you don't need to kill an enemy with a melee strike to activate it.
I think I have a better combo...
Infinite Ammo/no reloading glitch
Evil Smasher double/triple buff on all your guns.
Maliwan Volcano/E-Tech Vladof Sniper Rifle.
Because the Volcano has a blast radius, you can shot the ground behind the enemies cover, still transfering massive damage. Or you can go absolutely nuts with the Vladof.
I love the bloodshed skill tree especially the many must fall perk, I built my assassin to deal tons of melee damage. I can easily deal 100k+ and mow throw a group of enemies.
This video has been up for a while and I am sure you have seen or read about this by now but the bloodshed tree can still be viable even against boss fights as shown. Some of them are done with the Law and order build but the point being is that bosses can still be fought as a melee styled assassin (excuse the obnoxious music): /watch?v=6F9HkeaRFiY and /watch?v=UlObhsgraUs and /watch?v=xOIyMJHxjy0
not anymore unless the skullmasher does not have a X shot muliplier on the card. Only guns like the Sand Hawk with no bullet muliplier (but shoot mulitple shots) get that boost after the patch. I dont have a skullmasher yet so Im not 100%.
If you spec zero's bloodshed tree right and use the right class mod and relic along with the gun law and the shield order you can do mire damage than using a gun
theres a minecraft area in caustic caverns you have to kill a super badass creeper and he drops a minecraft class head mod
no problem with full bloodshed here, haven't gotten order yet, but with law and decent snipers....pretty damn viable. one shot lots of mobs, so the last talent is actually more viable than you think.
Hmm. what if we tried this with the Evil Smasher glitch on the most powerful weapon avail?
Okay, I went through and tested Cunning.
EVERYONE... PLAY... CUNNING... It's probably the best spec of the three and is the most versatile. First off, you can throw kunai that can cause any of the 5 elemental effects EVERY TIME you go into Deception. Not to mention that you can also use Deception as a quick self-heal, and your gun choice is MUCH more advanced than Bloodshed or Sniping.
If you're not in TVHM bloodshed CAN easily kill in one melee strike if you backstab at a distance so your dash damage is increased. Also if your 5s deception counter is almost a zero, your damage is also buffed! So its a good skill tree before TVHM, after that it sucks
Though his spelling is appauling, bloodshed is actually the main damage of Zer0. You can easily do 50+ million with one hit if you spec it right.
Just got the game bout a week ago (week ago lmao), but man when you get zero's crit up he's so fun to play with. You drop robots and dudes with the quickness.
A good build imo would be to have skills in Bloodshed and Cunning
Skills enough to have Death Bl0ss0m, you could have any but I prefer Fearless and Fast Hands (Cunning) for their universally better uses. Then Ir0n Hand, Grim, and Execute maxed out on Bloodshed. The Death Bl0ss0ms can deal massive damage to almost any enemy or boss and leave them with all the elemental damage types at once, including Slag which increases damage from those types AND the final melee-blow for insane total damage.
Hell yes! Combine that with deceptions dash feature and you're very likely to hit the crap out of a lot of peeps
Bloodshed is great,if you use it well,also works gear in boss fights,just you cant melee them all the time.you start depending on boss with ranged weaponry,do a few massive melees with counter-strike.killing blow makes sure you finish them off.I have no ide he said its not good for what so ever ,its great survival build O.O
I one hit people with the melee build all the time, you just need to know what to have equipped to make it effective, I'm currently running with The Law pistol and the Order shield, both of which you get from Marshall in Sanctuary, with both equipped, any enemy you kill, transfers the extra damage into health. I also run down the Cunning skill tree until I get the Marked ability which increases all damage dealt to targets, making it very easy to one hit just about every enemy in the game.
Well, why didn't you go find ammo crates to continue stacking
With Bloodshed u need a grop control skill tree but i do get the snupin tree but if ur the guy to control minions that a grreat tree but the assasin and gunzerker are the main damage people for bosses the a siren is the healer with great status efect wile the cunzerker can control the voss
King has a point. Even if he was pr0 MLG every shot is a head shot sniper, those stacks would still decay before he could get them high enough to do serious damage.
Hey! Great video, but I've got a qustion or a thing I'd like to discuss actually. I've got a Lyuda and changed it for my Tumtum Muckamuk and I feel like it's easier to get Critical Ascensi0n stacks up, as the weapon has insane fire rate and close to zer0 recoil, but I'm still not sure if it's worth using. I know it's a legendary and all... but still confused. Any thoughts?
lol, if you get melee damage increases (via guns such as the law, class mods, relics, and most of all the insane increases inside the tree itself) then you can wipe out whole groups with many must fall, the only downside to that build is that fighting raid bosses is hard and requires good positioning, but still, a very high number of bosses can be affected by things like backstab and killing blow.
"Be like water" increases your gun damage right after you melee someone, I don't think the target dummy is close enough for him to hit anyway.