The full video from the Hillsong all-staff meeting where former pastor Brian Houston's "transgressions" were revealed to the church. Read more at: www.crikey.com...
It’s truly sad that so many incidents in the past (over decades) have either: avoided accountability by flying under the radar; been excused under the banner of grace; had blame diverted. You can’t uncover sin without exposing people. We all should also honour and abide by the law of the land. Issues of this ilk are not new and they need to be confronted. The plea for silence is not healthy - rather it is the cause of continuing problems. Phil Dooley has a mountain to climb to set things right, and I feel his pain and integrity - but allowing excuses to perpetuate to soften the impact, will not help. It’s the very foundations of the church that need to be repaired / rebuilt - adding onto a structure built on sand will rectify nothing. Rapid growth and popularity altered the focus. So I pray the leadership involved will be willing to let go of excuses, willing to be transparent, willing to put the protection of the flock above the ‘brand’, willing to prioritise what they have been called to do: “feed My sheep”. I sensed that is Phil Dooley’s heart … sadly, I did not get the same assurance from the other participant. If we welcome God’s love we must also welcome His discipline.
Everybody looks out for themselves and no one sincerely serves the Lord's purpose and if you guys knew that where was the intercession in the restoration where was it because if it was there the Holy Spirit is faithful and he knows how to heal and restore but who intervened everybody was worried about themselves
@@angelaevans5345 That’s a really big judgement call Angela. You have decided that because it continued no-one interceded, no-one tried to set things aright … everyone was looking out for themselves - a very big judgement call! And an erroneous one! Once again your comment is yet another attempt to shift responsibility. Yes the Holy Spirit is faithful - but God gave people free will and the Spirit doesn’t cross that line. Nor does He ever divert from God’s plan. The tares HAVE TO BE separated from the wheat. Matt 7:22 “Lord, Lord didn’t we prophesy in Your name, cast out demons, do many wondrous things? Depart from me - I never knew you”. The responsibility for our choices, for our behaviours, for our walk with God rests squarely on our own shoulders.
19:10 the elders of the church not having governance authority of their pastor is not a healthy way of doing church when a board outside of the church is the authority.
Modern Christianity. So fragile we are so afraid of exposing sin and have no faith that it is God’s power that held a congregation not a man’s reputation and that God can restore. The story of David restoration would never happened if not exposing is part of Christian’s faith. If you’re not opening up now, God Himself will open it. It will be tough, but that’s just the part of sanctification.
Agree with much of what you’ve said, but feel you left out a very important factor: restoration can’t even begin until our sin is acknowledged and utter repentance is shown. That means taking full responsibility: no excuses; no ‘I don’t remember; no fudging the details; no watering it down. Full accountability. Sanctification can’t progress until after we’ve sincerely sought and received forgiveness. As for ‘holding a congregation’ we need to examine whose kingdom we are working towards … God’s or our own? It is always dangerous to elevate any person - except our triune God.
What was needed here, is the truthfulness between a Snr Pastor and God. If his salvation was\is genuine, his repentance before God would have been followed by acts of contriteness, which is to sit down with his board and come clean, rather than to allow this toxicity of those who know but will cover-up, those who know but are gagged from speaking, and those who don't know but are being confused by rumors'. To me, that is a Snr Pastor who cares more about self rather than the flock.
His name has come up multiple times where he’s threatened people in a lot of these cases. So your assumptions are the same as mine, he gives off creepy vibes.
All I’m hearing is excuse after excuse for the failure of a senior pastor. This was only revealed by the elders because it had been exposed and they had no choice but to give an explanation to try and get ahead of the narrative that’s out there. Then threats and manipulations are being made to get people to stay quiet. This is outrageous…!
I know right ??? it sounds so apologetic and the blame on sleeping pills is ridiculous , I suffer from insomnia and been taking all sort of sleeping pills .they only make you sleepy or dizzy so you aint fooling me !!!
Can you share John Macarthur and his leadership team meeting about the abused woman they named and shamed and kicked out of their church too? Oh wait Johnny still not apologised.
Watch Bobbie’s face from 16:30… especially the ‘sin is messy’ statement. Eye rolls, sighs, annoyance. Shows the sincerity with which she treated this episode. No wonder they fired her soon after.
Just shows her contempt for Brian being held accountable for his despicable actions. Unfortunately Hillsong was perceived by them as "Their Church...the church they started and they grew" and therefore lost sight of the fact that the church grew because of its members and their financial support. Churches grow because of the people who are in the congregation, not because of those who are on stage. Brain & Bobby suffered from one thing: EGO. In my book EGO stands for Easing God Out. They became bigger than the church and they no longer SERVED their congregations but expected to be served by them. The only way Hillsong will ever recover from the slide that has happened will be to rebrand and start at grassroots again. They need to rebuild the faith of those who choose to worship with them. They reek of evil at present.
I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick. What people need to see is acceptance of responsibility, no excuses, no dilution of the sin … utter and genuine repentance is needed (instead of ongoing rebuttal and challenges).
I’ve been on the three most addicted anxiety medications and taken alcohol while on them and guess what? I’ve never done any of those things!!! So I hope anyone who buys that also believes I have some amazing real estate I can sell you…… 🙄
Nothing mentioned about Jesus in your statement. Thet teach a false doctrine. Do not be deceived as I was. Spiritual abuse is real and extremely painful.
He was always FAKE... Always talked in a demonic voice.... hardly touched on the Bible... He was a 'good story teller a confidence man.. a CONMAN. We don't need to judge him. God will judge him.. pretty lame blaming pills and grog.... No preacher should ever be alone with any woman excepting his wife and daughters..... SIMPLE... Rule number ONE
Look at Bobbie's reaction, she doesn't even care about the extra-marital whatever. All she can think about is how her power and position and authority is going to crumble.
If these people had been honest and open in the first place, ie, been upfront and told their congregation what had happened and the action they had taken, then there wouldn’t be any gossip and there would be no need to make a video like this one. All this is about is damage control. Events have got out of control and now they want to blame-shift, make excuses, make threats and manipulate people into silence. Charismatic churches like this have a lot to answer for
I will just say one thing, I lived in Afica for 11 years and there is no worship that did not include a joy of dancing, we’ll many people in the Bible dance including David but there is a time where even David had a wife that was upset because David danced with music all the time and even his wife even got upset so I do not think you have a correct understanding of this and it is funny that you do not know that that there is so much more, can I ask if you are proud and perfect, Jesus asked the people that brought the lady in adultery as He asked the people to throw the first stone and asked started from the older to the younger so can you cast that stone as a person that has no sin??????
Yeah…. That’s just gold! Sitting on the fence …. Think Christ said something about that… absolute disgrace and my wish is for the corporate church greed and arrogance is to be leveled to the ground whilst true church can be raised again and look after its people.
Are you going to lay down your life for them when you pray for them are you going to give up your career are you going to give up your ministry are you going to go stand with them while you pray for them what do you mean pray for them
The excuse of taking sleeping pills is absolutely ridiculous ! I'm sorry but I have been taking them for years (all sorts ) and the only effect is sleepiness and dizziness , so you aint fooling me !!!!! and since when is apropiate for a pastor to get drunk ??? Though I know we are all human and we can all sin but at least take accountability of it !
Now it is 2023 one year has passed and the scandal about this "church" is increasing to a level which will take down the company Hillsong. Dear true believers in Christ, take a clever decision and run as fast as you can away from Hillsong, to a true bible believing church, and stick to the word from God only.
This sounds like wORSHIPPERS FLOATING 30,000 FT. above everyone. I am guilty of this, so its important to help eachother look out for being starstruck.
The fire of Jesus Christ and judgments comes to all of us what does the Lord require of you oh man is it not to do justly to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God
Your documents and your paperwork just shows you are not a minister you might be able to minister to a kid or somebody that is not been working for 50 years who is a brother who should be dearly loved respected and honored
You are not over Brian Houston Brian Houston is an apostle he established that work that's his work that's his baby the only thing you are called to do is to bring healing if you can't bring healing and restoration then you need to check on your own ministry
We all have thorns in our flesh but the way out is love when we truly lay down our life for our brother and sisters and learn the way of Christ how did Jesus deal with a leper how did Jesus deal with the prostitute how did Jesus deal with the money act have you been sitting under the ministry of Brian and Bobby Houston and you have not learned your lesson of becoming like Christ God provided through Brian and Bobby not to raise up judgmental critical figures Pharisees judges but to actually add to it to provide a shelter for transformation humility prayer unity Christ likeness fulfilling your call has a Christian what have you added to Brian and Bobby Houston have you just added to being the thorn in their flesh have you born the fruit of love cuz we're all sinners until we come to the place of love and transformation sometimes people are just holding on dealing with the spiritual warfare they don't need a bunch of accusers to come and criticize and condemn them and make things worse they need somebody with some Jesus in them and a hand on their shoulder that has love are you a transformer
Angela, I'd also ask, how did Jesus deal with Peter? "Get behind Me Satan, you are an offence and a trap to Me." Jesus was brutally honest with those who should have known better. He was endlessly kind and merciful with those who didn't have a revelation of Him, but He required much more of His disciples and apostles. Ask James, Peter, Judas, John, and others the word give us accounts of. Whom He loves He chastenes! You have to take the full counsel of God's word, not just the warm and fuzzy bits.
The examples you have cited were all unsaved people who didn't have a revelation or relationship with Jesus. You have to stop enabling bad behaviour, sometimes immoral behaviour and unbiblical behaviour just because it's the Houston's!! The body of Christ doesn't need celebrity pastors!
Pentecostal witchcraft where's the love of Jesus where's the head of Christ where is restoration where's after 30 years where's growth in knowing Jesus
Praise God for Hillsong! Leaders can make mistakes, as long as they don't make those mistakes as a lifestyle, THEY SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED to move forward and go back to Ministry .
Religious River Monroe there's nothing real and what you have said Jesus said my words are life whoever comes to me I give them life we are not too far away from Jesus because we have jesus's word
There shouldn't even be a case like this just tells you that the love of God is growing cold in the church and their evil workers have crept in sometimes the sinners are the saints and the saints are the sinners
I know that Brian is not healthy like he should be but he is going to be attacked and where was his armor bears where was his friends where were the elders 10 years ago why did they let this go on why didn't they slam these things down in the courts before they Rose their ugly heads
@@angelaevans5345 ??? It doesn’t tell you the love of God is growing cold at all. People sin, it happens all the time. No need to over dramatise things or wax poetic. The saints are always sinners, we’re only saints through the blood of Jesus, we still sin.
@@normamahon953 umm go where? Morph into what exactly? cmon wake up.....this is Australia..... a DEMOCRACY..... not Russia or China.... or Cuba...... Australia,, we dont tell churches what to do and what not to do...... Well not yet anyway.....
Of course he knew what happened! He remembers going into the room for 40 minutes and remembers coming out but cannot remember what happened during the 40 minutes in the room! Come on we are not stupid....a man goes into a room with a woman for 40 minutes and does not remember what happened! Yea right!
Thank you Allen Parr for sharing the link for this video.. Bobbie Houston doesnt look happy when Phil starts talkig about Brians 40 minute hotel room disaster lol
what's so funny about that? Put yourself in her position. I don't like the concept of Hillsong church and the elitist flavor they show to say the least, but Bobbie is a wife who is facing a lot of stess relating to her husband.
@@MsNZgal she enjoyed all the proceeds of crime tho so she not so innocent. Enjoying luxurious holidays and expensive jewelry and handbags at the expense of member tithes and offerings. Sorry but no sympathy for that family at all. Protecting pedos and adulturers is extremly sinful.
What a blatant male attempt to “cover up” “dismiss” the wrong of a spiritual leader!!! We have been dealing with men’s urges/inappropriate behavior since the beginning!! Quit making excuses!!!!!
You have to consider the work of the devil Satan comes to bring divide strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter did you remember that scripture verse
It’s technically not a church either as the spiritual leadership is controlled by a non-spiritual board. The board acquires property and bank accounts of other churches that have agreed to join the Hillsong Inc brand. Real churches have spiritual leadership at the top under Christ.
Heard several people on the comments say "this is not a church". You are dead wrong. The church is the body of Christ. Anyone who believes and walks with Jesus is part of HIS church. When someone messes up even 2 or 3 or 10 times or many more, we are to love and pray and try to reconcile this person even if they are the Pastor. It is not up to you to say this is not a church. There are many believers at Hillsong the same way it is at many most or possibly every Christian Church. Hillsong has had a wonderful impact on the lives of Christians worldwide, including mine 25 years ago when I Was in a tough place.
@@vanessafletcher6710 Well, I'm only echoing the Early Fathers, those theologians who in the first few centuries formulated orthodox Christian doctrines like the Trinity and statements of core belief like the Creeds.
Come on Phil, you didn't even have Brian on the stage, when you took over officially on the 5/02/22. Brian started Hillsong, God blessed it and grew it. You, should have had them both on the stage. Credit should be given, where Credit is due, and no, I'm not a fan of Brian.
I agree, this internal meeting should have stayed internal. It's not a cover up but the person spoken about is not present to defend what has been said. Right or wrong. Yes leaders are held accountable to a higher standard but it does not make them perfect. We ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory from God. That is why we as the Church p need to pray for our leaders. This saddens me how the great work which have been achieved during the years are now blemished by these events. My thoughts and prayers are still with Hillsong.
The Bible is very explicit about holding leaders responsible. Your opinion is why there is so much sin in the camp with no accountability. Your opinion is why Frank Houston was allowed to run unchecked for so many years. Your opinion is why Brian thought it would be ok to go into a hotel room. Your opinion is why the entire melt-down in NYC with Carl Lentz happened. They cannot be respected to check themselves and hold themselves accountable. Being a pastor is already a very heady profession. Their circle is small and the "business" depends on their charismatic personality. Therfore, much is overlooked and those in leadership have difficulty holding those above them or equal to them responsible. Pray for them all you want. Frankly, they need all the help they can get. But thinking prayer is the only thing that will cover them and expose them if they wander astray is not only foolish but extremely dangerous. Every member of that church has the right to hear the allegations and this phone call. Brian himself admitted to all of it. Hillsong is suffering because egos outgrew God and got too big to fail.
60 year old woman wearing a baseball cap rolling her eyes as her husband is called out for his abusive behaviour. Imagine going to this church and calling yourself a serious human being
From someone on the outside looking in watching this, her body language and what seems a attitude speaks volumes. Cover up and pastors who are allowed to act as if they are above any law or rules God will handle directly when we stand before him. Lots of huge churches are falling left and right due to all this wrong doings. The non believer suffers and I think of all the mis-leading with these victims of these events, freaking pathetic and sad!
I use to attend and volunteer a few mega churches and their system does tend to de develop pedestals for certain very visible people. These churches must have a lot of accountability or the falls from grace will hurt many people both churched and unchurched.
Brian Houston has had way too much grace for far too long and its made him worse, its enabled his bad behavior. REMEMBER when Jesus turned the tables??? yeah its time to turn all the tables.
Alcohol is not Christians friends, some Christians learn the hard way, it can happen to any Christian, who like to abide in the drinking culture. So any Christian who drinks should not think that they are better than Brian Houston..
“No recollection”. The narcissist’s favourite phrase. Shame on you, Hillsong, for covering these things up. “Grace”? It distressed these women enough to bring it forwards. He should have been removed from his position. You are godly fools. “We don’t want to cover it up”. 🤦🏼♀️ …. whilst saying you endorse covering it up by calling it “grace”. You are so entrenched, you can’t see the wood for the trees. Make the disciplinary process public? 😁
Heard several people on the comments say "this is not a church". If you say this you are dead wrong. The church is the body of Christ. Anyone who believes and walks with Jesus is part of HIS church. When someone messes up even 2 or 3 or 10 times or many more, we are to love and pray and try to reconcile this person even if they are the Pastor. It is not up to you to say this is not a church. We saw this coming mostly from afar, but where there are good well-meaning believers, where 2 or more are gathered... Jesus is there with them. SO WHOEVER SAYS WHAT A CHURCH, IS LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TO JESUS WHO CAN TELL YOU WHAT A CHURCH IS. There are a lot and I mean a lot of good Christian people at Hillsong. They are not a cult. They have made some bad and some questionable decisions over the years, but regardless Jesus has changed and enriched the lives of many through their ministry. Their music specifically. FOR GODS' SAKE STOP THE SELF-RIGHTOUSNESS IF YOU ARE.
What's Bobbie looking so depressed about? She still gets to live off the Tithes & offerings money, she should cheer herself up by spending the money of hard-working people.
Brian Houston made public of the NY pastor. Brian is wrong and needs to manup and take his punishment. Spend time with the Lord and ask Jesus to learn how to preach the true word of God. Hill song views is wrong in the way they present the gospel. I will pray to our Lord that Brian will repent and allowed to seek out His true word.
I can’t stand to watch you make excuses for him. Do what the word says to do. Whatever. You’ll do what you want anyway. It’s a shame this didn’t need to happen. Big church pastors get in love with themselves thinking they are intouchable.
The elders have no governance in our church... What is a pastor other than an elder?? What he means is only some elders have governance in our church... And they will be the top paid ones that will do as they please without the interference of any low level elders. Timothy says exactly how to deal with elders and leaders in the church that sin .. They should be exposed to the whole church. It's biblical guys to expose a leader to the whole church because they are given a whole lot of responsibility and should be above reproach and few should take on the role of elder.
This isn't His Bride. This is the Mother of Harlots (tare, goats, bad fish, wicked servant with hidden talent) who the Lord Yeshua warned about and is telling His Bride to come out of now (Revelation 17-19). This is about to get a lot worse in Christianity. The religion does not submit to His Spirit and refuse to keep His commandments (John 14). Whoever says they love Him and refused to keep His commandments has no part in His coming Kingdom. He has let the wheat and tares grow together and will separate. ❤⚠️
Ben and Bobby are not dead they are Christians they are believers and they are leaders in Christ they're not going anywhere they're alive don't act like they're dead
So the anxiety medication could only be something like a lorazepam or in the Valium family a lorazepam is like 2.0 or one 50 down to 50 and that anxiety medicine is there I can see Brian does not exercise like he should maybe he doesn't sleep like he should maybe he doesn't take responsibility for his food like he should because of maybe stress or maybe that's not his thought pattern but it really would just take a health coach and a little community and some good needed rest and that man could finish out the race for Jesus and for his calling what makes their decision going to be any more Grand or better if not worse than what Brian and Bobby is done only Jesus Christ through his body for his body can make the change in the difference we've got to hold on to Brian Houston and Bobby Houston they are Christians believers ministers servants of Christ we are supposed to uphold them and love them and honor them and be there when they show up not criticize them talk behind their back not pray for them there are a lot of spiritual Pentecostal witches who criticize in the church who covet in the church who want in the church that's not love God is love
And the Bible says when you stand praying forgive and if you have ought against your brother to go to him whoever has art against Brian the only real thing they could do is go to him and the Bible says when you come into the house of God leave your gift and go to your brother we're not supposed to leave them outside the church we're supposed to bring them back to the altar with us to worship God together we are our brother's keeper you know the devil really had has been trying to bring down that church because of that transgression Australia was a penal colony they said it was born in chains they sent terrible criminals to Australia and now it's a Christian Nation and Brian and Bobby have made it that
You know go to your elders go to your so-called board and you know ask them how many times they have fasted interceded and anointed him with oil and prayed over him maybe took him to the gym maybe took him out to dinner maybe picked him up and drove him to church or pick them up from the airport I think probably zero or long and few and in between they're scroungers Pentecostal witches
It’s truly sad that so many incidents in the past (over decades) have either: avoided accountability by flying under the radar; been excused under the banner of grace; had blame diverted. You can’t uncover sin without exposing people. We all should also honour and abide by the law of the land. Issues of this ilk are not new and they need to be confronted. The plea for silence is not healthy - rather it is the cause of continuing problems.
Phil Dooley has a mountain to climb to set things right, and I feel his pain and integrity - but allowing excuses to perpetuate to soften the impact, will not help. It’s the very foundations of the church that need to be repaired / rebuilt - adding onto a structure built on sand will rectify nothing. Rapid growth and popularity altered the focus.
So I pray the leadership involved will be willing to let go of excuses, willing to be transparent, willing to put the protection of the flock above the ‘brand’, willing to prioritise what they have been called to do: “feed My sheep”. I sensed that is Phil Dooley’s heart … sadly, I did not get the same assurance from the other participant. If we welcome God’s love we must also welcome His discipline.
meanwhile tedros is a known terrorist but zero coverage about that lol
Everybody looks out for themselves and no one sincerely serves the Lord's purpose and if you guys knew that where was the intercession in the restoration where was it because if it was there the Holy Spirit is faithful and he knows how to heal and restore but who intervened everybody was worried about themselves
@@angelaevans5345 That’s a really big judgement call Angela. You have decided that because it continued no-one interceded, no-one tried to set things aright … everyone was looking out for themselves - a very big judgement call! And an erroneous one! Once again your comment is yet another attempt to shift responsibility.
Yes the Holy Spirit is faithful - but God gave people free will and the Spirit doesn’t cross that line. Nor does He ever divert from God’s plan. The tares HAVE TO BE separated from the wheat.
Matt 7:22 “Lord, Lord didn’t we prophesy in Your name, cast out demons, do many wondrous things? Depart from me - I never knew you”. The responsibility for our choices, for our behaviours, for our walk with God rests squarely on our own shoulders.
19:10 the elders of the church not having governance authority of their pastor is not a healthy way of doing church when a board outside of the church is the authority.
Modern Christianity. So fragile we are so afraid of exposing sin and have no faith that it is God’s power that held a congregation not a man’s reputation and that God can restore.
The story of David restoration would never happened if not exposing is part of Christian’s faith. If you’re not opening up now, God Himself will open it. It will be tough, but that’s just the part of sanctification.
Agree with much of what you’ve said, but feel you left out a very important factor: restoration can’t even begin until our sin is acknowledged and utter repentance is shown. That means taking full responsibility: no excuses; no ‘I don’t remember; no fudging the details; no watering it down. Full accountability.
Sanctification can’t progress until after we’ve sincerely sought and received forgiveness. As for ‘holding a congregation’ we need to examine whose kingdom we are working towards … God’s or our own? It is always dangerous to elevate any person - except our triune God.
What was needed here, is the truthfulness between a Snr Pastor and God. If his salvation was\is genuine, his repentance before God would have been followed by acts of contriteness, which is to sit down with his board and come clean, rather than to allow this toxicity of those who know but will cover-up, those who know but are gagged from speaking, and those who don't know but are being confused by rumors'. To me, that is a Snr Pastor who cares more about self rather than the flock.
LOL
The church as organisations needs to end!!! These issues will happen again
dude on the left seems like a nice guy.. dude on the right gives me the heebeegeebees. "dont listen to the rumours".. righto mate
His name has come up multiple times where he’s threatened people in a lot of these cases. So your assumptions are the same as mine, he gives off creepy vibes.
All I’m hearing is excuse after excuse for the failure of a senior pastor. This was only revealed by the elders because it had been exposed and they had no choice but to give an explanation to try and get ahead of the narrative that’s out there. Then threats and manipulations are being made to get people to stay quiet. This is outrageous…!
I know right ??? it sounds so apologetic and the blame on sleeping pills is ridiculous , I suffer from insomnia and been taking all sort of sleeping pills .they only make you sleepy or dizzy so you aint fooling me !!!
It's $99 to read an article on your website. You don't help democracy by shutting out poor folks. Please think about that.
And then Brian Houston comes out full of excuses, no apologies, blames elders, minimises and shows his narcissism... this whole "church" is a disgrace
Not a church, just an organisation.
Of course he does. Spending $8000.00 dollars at Disneyland is disgusting. My daughter has been there and it cost her $1,000.00 dollars.
It's a Cult
Also Bobbie Houston is dying to speak and disagree LOL Apparently her social media is full of weird statements since this all occurred.
She seems neurotic and unprofessional
Sleeping tablets make you 😴 sleepy. They don't make you creepy 😅 come on man be real !
Lol true! And what was he dust a bar! His wife should be at his side so he can avoid temptation
Alcohol on its own is creepy leave alone mixed with other drugs. Leave alcohol alone Christians..
Can you share John Macarthur and his leadership team meeting about the abused woman they named and shamed and kicked out of their church too? Oh wait Johnny still not apologised.
Seems like a very genuine sincere leader!!!
Hows Bobby’s body language up the top of the zoom screen.. tough pill im sure 💊
reminds you of the AC DC song .. she got the sack sack sack sack sack..... disgraceful millionaires..
They preach another Gospel.Stay away from them.
Watch Bobbie’s face from 16:30… especially the ‘sin is messy’ statement. Eye rolls, sighs, annoyance. Shows the sincerity with which she treated this episode. No wonder they fired her soon after.
look at 11:47 and see Bobbies face at the "there are victims in this" statement. Same attitude.
@@wassabiii600 haha yep! Wow
Arrogant woman in the worst way
Actually her face the whole way throughout the video from the very start is very telling. She looks incredibly annoyed.
Just shows her contempt for Brian being held accountable for his despicable actions. Unfortunately Hillsong was perceived by them as "Their Church...the church they started and they grew" and therefore lost sight of the fact that the church grew because of its members and their financial support. Churches grow because of the people who are in the congregation, not because of those who are on stage. Brain & Bobby suffered from one thing: EGO. In my book EGO stands for Easing God Out. They became bigger than the church and they no longer SERVED their congregations but expected to be served by them. The only way Hillsong will ever recover from the slide that has happened will be to rebrand and start at grassroots again. They need to rebuild the faith of those who choose to worship with them. They reek of evil at present.
Your a great pastor phill
People make mistakes, but ACA want people to pay for the rest of their lives
I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick. What people need to see is acceptance of responsibility, no excuses, no dilution of the sin … utter and genuine repentance is needed (instead of ongoing rebuttal and challenges).
Jimmy Swaggart was able to keep is church and ministry because, business wise, he had full and complete control.
I’ve been on the three most addicted anxiety medications and taken alcohol while on them and guess what? I’ve never done any of those things!!! So I hope anyone who buys that also believes I have some amazing real estate I can sell you…… 🙄
What about bridges?? got any bridges? or opera houses??...
Regardless of what happened, didn’t happen, should have happened, the congregants didn’t get the opportunity to farewell our pastors.
I will
Support hillsong too I love hillsong church the people are nice and friendly and I love their songs
Nothing mentioned about Jesus in your statement. Thet teach a false doctrine. Do not be deceived as I was. Spiritual abuse is real and extremely painful.
Hillsong does teach about Jesus and they do mention it in their songs hillsong is my favorite church to listen to online
That’s your opinion not mine
@@sonyawalah2773 that is my experience, abuse is not an opinion, it actually happened to me. Just trying to warn people.
I love Brian too a great man of God, they ministry has changed thousands of people's lives in Gods name.
He was always FAKE... Always talked in a demonic voice.... hardly touched on the Bible... He was a 'good story teller a confidence man.. a CONMAN. We don't need to judge him. God will judge him.. pretty lame blaming pills and grog.... No preacher should ever be alone with any woman excepting his wife and daughters..... SIMPLE... Rule number ONE
Look at Bobbie's reaction, she doesn't even care about the extra-marital whatever. All she can think about is how her power and position and authority is going to crumble.
If these people had been honest and open in the first place, ie, been upfront and told their congregation what had happened and the action they had taken, then there wouldn’t be any gossip and there would be no need to make a video like this one. All this is about is damage control. Events have got out of control and now they want to blame-shift, make excuses, make threats and manipulate people into silence. Charismatic churches like this have a lot to answer for
I will just say one thing, I lived in Afica for 11 years and there is no worship that did not include a joy of dancing, we’ll many people in the Bible dance including David but there is a time where even David had a wife that was upset because David danced with music all the time and even his wife even got upset so I do not think you have a correct understanding of this and it is funny that you do not know that that there is so much more, can I ask if you are proud and perfect, Jesus asked the people that brought the lady in adultery as He asked the people to throw the first stone and asked started from the older to the younger so can you cast that stone as a person that has no sin??????
9:20 "not to cover up but not to expose" looooooool
Is this even legal ? For a church to not tell what is going on behind the scenes with the main leaders.
@@sebastianyves6365 Give someone the benefit of the doubt once in a while, ok.
Yeah…. That’s just gold! Sitting on the fence …. Think Christ said something about that… absolute disgrace and my wish is for the corporate church greed and arrogance is to be leveled to the ground whilst true church can be raised again and look after its people.
@@jadenlarson7127 benefit of the doubt ? Scandal after Scandal after Scandal. It's embarrassing.
Whatever that even means🤔
And what about friends who is pray for him who is loved him who has been kind to him
Stabbed in the back by his own team ! What do you say now ?
Are you going to lay down your life for them when you pray for them are you going to give up your career are you going to give up your ministry are you going to go stand with them while you pray for them what do you mean pray for them
The excuse of taking sleeping pills is absolutely ridiculous ! I'm sorry but I have been taking them for years (all sorts ) and the only effect is sleepiness and dizziness , so you aint fooling me !!!!! and since when is apropiate for a pastor to get drunk ??? Though I know we are all human and we can all sin but at least take accountability of it !
The good all was get taken down with the evil and greedy
I love your church hillsong does speak of Jesus and I know I learn something new
I think you are
Keep away from alcohol.
are you shaying I luk drunk... "burps"
There's Wally! The 50 year old boy.
They loves the Church that blasphemes God's word.
Now it is 2023 one year has passed and the scandal about this "church" is increasing to a level which will take down the company Hillsong. Dear true believers in Christ, take a clever decision and run as fast as you can away from Hillsong, to a true bible believing church, and stick to the word from God only.
I don't take notice of what you say here...
@@marleneholloway7775 Okay
Exposure not confidentiality
This sounds like wORSHIPPERS FLOATING 30,000 FT. above everyone. I am guilty of this, so its important to help eachother look out for being starstruck.
Yeah after all..... like Paul said.. were you saved in Brian Houston name....
The fire of Jesus Christ and judgments comes to all of us what does the Lord require of you oh man is it not to do justly to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God
Lucky for all of us Jesus paid the price of sin.
Did Brian do that?
Brian Houston a mega church the vultures come
Your documents and your paperwork just shows you are not a minister you might be able to minister to a kid or somebody that is not been working for 50 years who is a brother who should be dearly loved respected and honored
Looney couldn't even 'minister ' to a five year old!
I really find him (Dooley) to be a very monotonous and repetitive mumbler, he seems very unassured and lacks real communication skills..
You could do so much better.
Anyone with only a few grey cells could do better than Dooley!
Dooley may not even be a born again Christian. He's way off the mark!
I agree.. he is just so LAME... he is well suited in religion,, he has the religious spirit on him....
You are not over Brian Houston Brian Houston is an apostle he established that work that's his work that's his baby the only thing you are called to do is to bring healing if you can't bring healing and restoration then you need to check on your own ministry
Do you want to have more of Brian’s babies Angela?
He's a fraud.
Everybody gets afraid people need love prayer forgiveness we're all going to stand before Jesus very soon did we love
We all have thorns in our flesh but the way out is love when we truly lay down our life for our brother and sisters and learn the way of Christ how did Jesus deal with a leper how did Jesus deal with the prostitute how did Jesus deal with the money act have you been sitting under the ministry of Brian and Bobby Houston and you have not learned your lesson of becoming like Christ God provided through Brian and Bobby not to raise up judgmental critical figures Pharisees judges but to actually add to it to provide a shelter for transformation humility prayer unity Christ likeness fulfilling your call has a Christian what have you added to Brian and Bobby Houston have you just added to being the thorn in their flesh have you born the fruit of love cuz we're all sinners until we come to the place of love and transformation sometimes people are just holding on dealing with the spiritual warfare they don't need a bunch of accusers to come and criticize and condemn them and make things worse they need somebody with some Jesus in them and a hand on their shoulder that has love are you a transformer
Angela, I'd also ask, how did Jesus deal with Peter? "Get behind Me Satan, you are an offence and a trap to Me." Jesus was brutally honest with those who should have known better. He was endlessly kind and merciful with those who didn't have a revelation of Him, but He required much more of His disciples and apostles. Ask James, Peter, Judas, John, and others the word give us accounts of.
Whom He loves He chastenes! You have to take the full counsel of God's word, not just the warm and fuzzy bits.
@@MaccaBasedExactly. How about in Ephesians - Expose the works of darkness.
The examples you have cited were all unsaved people who didn't have a revelation or relationship with Jesus. You have to stop enabling bad behaviour, sometimes immoral behaviour and unbiblical behaviour just because it's the Houston's!! The body of Christ doesn't need celebrity pastors!
My x Rach rampersad gave all her hard earned money to these bastards.... I'm glad she's.my x🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Pentecostal witchcraft where's the love of Jesus where's the head of Christ where is restoration where's after 30 years where's growth in knowing Jesus
Praise God for Hillsong! Leaders can make mistakes, as long as they don't make those mistakes as a lifestyle, THEY SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED to move forward and go back to Ministry
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Religious River Monroe there's nothing real and what you have said Jesus said my words are life whoever comes to me I give them life we are not too far away from Jesus because we have jesus's word
After church meeting I went to I just went to go get an ice cream and then check my emails and their face-to-face was temptation or lying vanity
what flavour did you get?... I like vanilla
Haha watching Bobbie Houston, part of the two person con get humiliated is so worth it!
So you enjoy the pain and suffering of others...? Isn't that a bit sadistic? And does God?
Jason, so you're not a Christian!!?
Wow what a nasty response 😔
If you are Christian have you repented..
HELLSONG. Houston we have a problem......!
lol.. oh that is just tooo funnyyyyyy ..lol
Wow. Angela appears to have hijacked and killed the comment section.
There shouldn't even be a case like this just tells you that the love of God is growing cold in the church and their evil workers have crept in sometimes the sinners are the saints and the saints are the sinners
I know that Brian is not healthy like he should be but he is going to be attacked and where was his armor bears where was his friends where were the elders 10 years ago why did they let this go on why didn't they slam these things down in the courts before they Rose their ugly heads
We are all week saved by the grace of God that's why we have to be strong for one another fellowship means all the fellows in the ship
@@angelaevans5345 ??? It doesn’t tell you the love of God is growing cold at all. People sin, it happens all the time. No need to over dramatise things or wax poetic.
The saints are always sinners, we’re only saints through the blood of Jesus, we still sin.
@@James-lw3gi to people like her, she needs to believe her leaders are blemish free and are victims of a conspiracy. Brian is her Jesus
Perhaps dissolve the mega church Hillsong into several small churches with new pastors. Remove hill song name.
Also a governing board that has no ties to Hillsong. LET THE MEGA CHURCH MODEL GO.
Best suggestion. But I think the hierarchy wants to keep their fingers in the cookie jar
@@normamahon953 umm go where? Morph into what exactly? cmon wake up.....this is Australia..... a DEMOCRACY..... not Russia or China.... or Cuba...... Australia,, we dont tell churches what to do and what not to do...... Well not yet anyway.....
In a room for 40 mins, but they can remember going in and how long there but not if anything happened? Riiiiight. Something happened for sure.
A DNA test would have answered everything
Yeah, I find such statements a bit suss. There's NO WAY you'd have no recollection AT ALL of what had happened on that night.
Of course he knew what happened!
He remembers going into the room for 40 minutes and remembers coming out but cannot remember what happened during the 40 minutes in the room!
Come on we are not stupid....a man goes into a room with a woman for 40 minutes and does not remember what happened! Yea right!
@@rickoriderblew his brains out.
Funny how it's all about the 'church'
Shouldn't it be ALL about The Lord Jesus Christ?
Church leaders...higher standard?
Contradiction in terms... akin to Military Intelligence
About time this cult was exposed, and shown for what it really is.
Thank you Allen Parr for sharing the link for this video.. Bobbie Houston doesnt look happy when Phil starts talkig about Brians 40 minute hotel room disaster lol
I would not be happy either if somebody was talking about my spouse. Looking at her expression,there is more to this story
@@tommy2chips for sure this would not be the first time he has been busted cheating on poor Bobbi.
@@smookie2351 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
what's so funny about that? Put yourself in her position. I don't like the concept of Hillsong church and the elitist flavor they show to say the least, but Bobbie is a wife who is facing a lot of stess relating to her husband.
@@MsNZgal she enjoyed all the proceeds of crime tho so she not so innocent. Enjoying luxurious holidays and expensive jewelry and handbags at the expense of member tithes and offerings. Sorry but no sympathy for that family at all. Protecting pedos and adulturers is extremly sinful.
Yeah! Blame it on the sleeping pills & anxiety tablets ……… nice way to spell LUST.
dont blame it on the sunshine dont blame it on the moonlight.. dont blame it on the good times...... blame it on the pills and grog.. lol
What a blatant male attempt to “cover up” “dismiss” the wrong of a spiritual leader!!! We have been dealing with men’s urges/inappropriate behavior since the beginning!! Quit making excuses!!!!!
You have to consider the work of the devil Satan comes to bring divide strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter did you remember that scripture verse
Why is Bobby Houston at that meeting? She resigned as well didn’t she? Is she just spying for Brian? So much for discipline and accountability.
Well said
Robert Ferguson should of taken over the lead there at the Hillsong church
Isn't that conveeeenient. 🤔
This is not a church. The Church nourishes the faithful by Word AND Sacrament - the latter being divinely instituted channels of God’s grace.
It’s technically not a church either as the spiritual leadership is controlled by a non-spiritual board. The board acquires property and bank accounts of other churches that have agreed to join the Hillsong Inc brand. Real churches have spiritual leadership at the top under Christ.
Heard several people on the comments say "this is not a church". You are dead wrong. The church is the body of Christ. Anyone who believes and walks with Jesus is part of HIS church. When someone messes up even 2 or 3 or 10 times or many more, we are to love and pray and try to reconcile this person even if they are the Pastor. It is not up to you to say this is not a church. There are many believers at Hillsong the same way it is at many most or possibly every Christian Church. Hillsong has had a wonderful impact on the lives of Christians worldwide, including mine 25 years ago when I Was in a tough place.
@@vanessafletcher6710 Well, I'm only echoing the Early Fathers, those theologians who in the first few centuries formulated orthodox Christian doctrines like the Trinity and statements of core belief like the Creeds.
The Bible only has 10 commandments - Hillsong over the world has, I believe, broken them all. Is that why some people now refer to it as Hellsong?
Come on Phil, you didn't even have Brian on the stage, when you took over officially on the 5/02/22. Brian started Hillsong, God blessed it and grew it. You, should have had them both on the stage. Credit should be given, where Credit is due, and no, I'm not a fan of Brian.
I agree, this internal meeting should have stayed internal. It's not a cover up but the person spoken about is not present to defend what has been said. Right or wrong. Yes leaders are held accountable to a higher standard but it does not make them perfect. We ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory from God. That is why we as the Church p need to pray for our leaders.
This saddens me how the great work which have been achieved during the years are now blemished by these events. My thoughts and prayers are still with Hillsong.
The Bible is very explicit about holding leaders responsible. Your opinion is why there is so much sin in the camp with no accountability. Your opinion is why Frank Houston was allowed to run unchecked for so many years. Your opinion is why Brian thought it would be ok to go into a hotel room. Your opinion is why the entire melt-down in NYC with Carl Lentz happened. They cannot be respected to check themselves and hold themselves accountable. Being a pastor is already a very heady profession. Their circle is small and the "business" depends on their charismatic personality. Therfore, much is overlooked and those in leadership have difficulty holding those above them or equal to them responsible.
Pray for them all you want. Frankly, they need all the help they can get. But thinking prayer is the only thing that will cover them and expose them if they wander astray is not only foolish but extremely dangerous. Every member of that church has the right to hear the allegations and this phone call. Brian himself admitted to all of it. Hillsong is suffering because egos outgrew God and got too big to fail.
I would hope nobody would be recording this 15:59 oops
Hooley Dooley what an almighty mess this all is
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Is it weird Bobbie Brian’s wife is just up there listening?
Totally inappropriate. She should not be there.
Listening, scoffing, pulling faces, acting like a true adult and leader
60 year old woman wearing a baseball cap rolling her eyes as her husband is called out for his abusive behaviour. Imagine going to this church and calling yourself a serious human being
From someone on the outside looking in watching this, her body language and what seems a attitude speaks volumes. Cover up and pastors who are allowed to act as if they are above any law or rules God will handle directly when we stand before him. Lots of huge churches are falling left and right due to all this wrong doings. The non believer suffers and I think of all the mis-leading with these victims of these events, freaking pathetic and sad!
I dislike her personally but at that time she was on staff independently of him so makes sense that all staff members at at a staff meeting.
A ship is an good as its captain. Bail out people! 2 Tim 3; Heb 4:11-16; Luke 9:23.
I use to attend and volunteer a few mega churches and their system does tend to de develop pedestals for certain very visible people. These churches must have a lot of accountability or the falls from grace will hurt many people both churched and unchurched.
Bobbi faces is a tell all
Yeah shes just too cool for school with her silly kids cap.... oh my goodness no wonder the thing fell apart..... they worship "self" instead of God
I will pray for Their families
Thanks Crikey, you're a sensational resource.
I'm curious as to who recorded this 😅
It's the board of directors.
Brian Houston has had way too much grace for far too long and its made him worse, its enabled his bad behavior. REMEMBER when Jesus turned the tables??? yeah its time to turn all the tables.
Where they drinking after the conference ?? The leadership of the chuch ?? Didnt get that.
Alcohol is not Christians friends, some Christians learn the hard way, it can happen to any Christian, who like to abide in the drinking culture. So any Christian who drinks should not think that they are better than Brian Houston..
DOES THISA SHIRT MAKE ME LOOK FAT?
the truth must come out.
the truth is the media that the same scrutiny isn't put on people like bill gates who simulated covid a year before it happened.
god makes the truth come out, thats why hellsong was exposed to begin with
“No recollection”. The narcissist’s favourite phrase. Shame on you, Hillsong, for covering these things up. “Grace”? It distressed these women enough to bring it forwards. He should have been removed from his position. You are godly fools. “We don’t want to cover it up”. 🤦🏼♀️ …. whilst saying you endorse covering it up by calling it “grace”. You are so entrenched, you can’t see the wood for the trees. Make the disciplinary process public? 😁
absolutely disgusting!
Heard several people on the comments say "this is not a church". If you say this you are dead wrong. The church is the body of Christ. Anyone who believes and walks with Jesus is part of HIS church. When someone messes up even 2 or 3 or 10 times or many more, we are to love and pray and try to reconcile this person even if they are the Pastor. It is not up to you to say this is not a church. We saw this coming mostly from afar, but where there are good well-meaning believers, where 2 or more are gathered... Jesus is there with them. SO WHOEVER SAYS WHAT A CHURCH, IS LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TO JESUS WHO CAN TELL YOU WHAT A CHURCH IS. There are a lot and I mean a lot of good Christian people at Hillsong. They are not a cult. They have made some bad and some questionable decisions over the years, but regardless Jesus has changed and enriched the lives of many through their ministry. Their music specifically. FOR GODS' SAKE STOP THE SELF-RIGHTOUSNESS IF YOU ARE.
16:04 😪
What's Bobbie looking so depressed about? She still gets to live off the Tithes & offerings money, she should cheer herself up by spending the money of hard-working people.
Brian Houston made public of the NY pastor. Brian is wrong and needs to manup and take his punishment. Spend time with the Lord and ask Jesus to learn how to preach the true word of God. Hill song views is wrong in the way they present the gospel. I will pray to our Lord that Brian will repent and allowed to seek out His true word.
I can’t stand to watch you make excuses for him. Do what the word says to do. Whatever. You’ll do what you want anyway. It’s a shame this didn’t need to happen. Big church pastors get in love with themselves thinking they are intouchable.
The elders have no governance in our church... What is a pastor other than an elder?? What he means is only some elders have governance in our church... And they will be the top paid ones that will do as they please without the interference of any low level elders. Timothy says exactly how to deal with elders and leaders in the church that sin .. They should be exposed to the whole church. It's biblical guys to expose a leader to the whole church because they are given a whole lot of responsibility and should be above reproach and few should take on the role of elder.
I didnt hear anything that remotely related to the BIBLE .... Just religIous MUMBO JUMBO... pass
So Houston had no recollection of the hotel drama. He wasn't in control of his mind-drinking alcohol mixed with sleeping pills.
Gods the Judge! Be honest be transparent repent & forgive Hillsong people remember God's the Judge!
Lord help your church...
This isn't His Bride. This is the Mother of Harlots (tare, goats, bad fish, wicked servant with hidden talent) who the Lord Yeshua warned about and is telling His Bride to come out of now (Revelation 17-19). This is about to get a lot worse in Christianity. The religion does not submit to His Spirit and refuse to keep His commandments (John 14). Whoever says they love Him and refused to keep His commandments has no part in His coming Kingdom.
He has let the wheat and tares grow together and will separate. ❤⚠️
Too big to fail? Only time will tell
Ben and Bobby are not dead they are Christians they are believers and they are leaders in Christ they're not going anywhere they're alive don't act like they're dead
Calling yourself a leader doesn't make you a leader. The real leaders of the church are normally unknown to the likes of church folk.
How are they leaders in Christ?
I wonder who posted this online
The day hillsong died
You should expose sin....that is what Jesus did!
Expose yourself then.
so believable 😂😂
Jesus Christ is the son of the only true and living God.
Brian takes full responsibility…. BUT… let’s not forget to wax lyrical about the anxiety medication excuse for a bit. Bunch of terrible humans
So the anxiety medication could only be something like a lorazepam or in the Valium family a lorazepam is like 2.0 or one 50 down to 50 and that anxiety medicine is there I can see Brian does not exercise like he should maybe he doesn't sleep like he should maybe he doesn't take responsibility for his food like he should because of maybe stress or maybe that's not his thought pattern but it really would just take a health coach and a little community and some good needed rest and that man could finish out the race for Jesus and for his calling what makes their decision going to be any more Grand or better if not worse than what Brian and Bobby is done only Jesus Christ through his body for his body can make the change in the difference we've got to hold on to Brian Houston and Bobby Houston they are Christians believers ministers servants of Christ we are supposed to uphold them and love them and honor them and be there when they show up not criticize them talk behind their back not pray for them there are a lot of spiritual Pentecostal witches who criticize in the church who covet in the church who want in the church that's not love God is love
And the Bible says when you stand praying forgive and if you have ought against your brother to go to him whoever has art against Brian the only real thing they could do is go to him and the Bible says when you come into the house of God leave your gift and go to your brother we're not supposed to leave them outside the church we're supposed to bring them back to the altar with us to worship God together we are our brother's keeper you know the devil really had has been trying to bring down that church because of that transgression Australia was a penal colony they said it was born in chains they sent terrible criminals to Australia and now it's a Christian Nation and Brian and Bobby have made it that
But they got him off of the sleeping tablets so all is well (eye roll).
@@angelaevans5345 have you ever used a full stop or comma? Lol. Can’t make any sense of your nonsense
You know go to your elders go to your so-called board and you know ask them how many times they have fasted interceded and anointed him with oil and prayed over him maybe took him to the gym maybe took him out to dinner maybe picked him up and drove him to church or pick them up from the airport I think probably zero or long and few and in between they're scroungers Pentecostal witches